Thread 106555450

When will ARM laptops have majority marketshare? There's no reason for a device with a battery to use x86.

>>106555450 (OP)
They already via Apple, and they absolutely shit all over the competition.

>>106555450 (OP)
Never. Have you used one? The only kinda performant ones are macs and they're running a useless OS.

>>106555480
Which explains their permanent under 10% marketshare, lmao.
Lol!

Only Apple would benefit from this transition. Windows ARM PCs have never ever managed to get substantial marketshare because it just doesn't make sense

>>106555450 (OP)
x86 isn't the problem, it's that no one making x86 chips has full control over the entire software and hardware stack the way that Apple does.
Apple can optimize their CPU specifically to run MacOS because they know it will never be used to run anything else.
They can also optimize MacOS to run on their chip, because again.. They don't need to worry about different hardware combinations.
Locking the bootloader and preventing the addition of unknown hardware really does allow for a more streamlined experience.. At the cost of user freedom

Never.

>>106555450 (OP)
I hate him

>>106555492
>one brand, being the only OEM selling its own OS, has 10% of the total personal computing market against dozens if not hundreds of competitors, all of which are positioned on the other commercial PC OS

Apple's market share is absolutely gigantic given to its own market strategy and positioning.

>>106555521
lol Dell's marketshare in laptops is nearly 1/3, I am not impressed by Apple's 10% especially when Apple has a monopoly over MacOS.

>>106555539

The monopoly is the point, their marketshare is functionally larger because the product and OS are tied together not separate products

>>106555492
why should you care about Apple's market share in india and other 3rd world countries?

>>106555481
My surface laptop 7 runs great

>>106555503
>They can also optimize MacOS to run on their chip, because again.. They don't need to worry about different hardware combinations.
This is retarded statement. You can make use of modern instruction sets on x86 and hide them behind ifdef blocks to provide compatibility with inferior systems. CachyOS provides packages for x86_64_v2, x86_64_v3, znver4. Microsoft could do the same if they cared enough.

>>106555450 (OP)
>There's no reason for a device with a battery to use x86.
There's no good reason for a Windows device to use ARM.
(Well, these days there is no good reason for someone to use Windows though...)

>>106555503
The role of optimization is overstated. What truly allows apple to have a dominant position is being TSMC's most important customer, which allows it access to cutting-edge semiconductor fabrication technology at whatever volume they want, while other tech companies have to fight over the production capacity left over by Apple. When AMD had very competitive mobile CPU offerings, they were barely in the market, because they simply do not have the resources to be allocated enough wafers by TSMC.
Another thing is that Apple makes a gorillion dollars from the iPhone, which allows them limitless R&D into SoC designs.

>>106555521
>Applel market share is absolutely gigantic given their shit market strategy and positioning.

>>106555659
it's not about instructions

>>106555450 (OP)
>When will ARM laptops have majority marketshare?
When they make and sell a decent one. My definition of decent is,
>boots Linux
>1080 or better display
>m.2 nvm ssd
>8+ Gb RAM
>better than 28nm cpu
And the only one laptop that qualifies, the HP 360 Chromebook 13b was only available via their online store which failed every time I tried to order it (5 times) and is now no longer even made, because they didn't sell any (surprise surprise)

>>106555828
also, no qualcomm. No built in backdoor LTE always on bullshit, just no

>>106555450 (OP)
sometimes you need portable device that gets actual work done. macbooks are portable and have decent battery life but they have limited software support, are brittle as fuck and decent amount of ram and storage costs a little fortune.

>>106555812
And what's about it then you fucking retard? How do you "optimize" OS for running on a particular CPU?

>>106555450 (OP)
>When will ARM laptops have majority marketshare?
Meanwhile in reality
>Though caveats still apply like you will want to keep around the Microsoft Windows 11 on ARM installation in order to run qcom-firmware-extract for extracting the necessary firmware from the Windows partitions. Most Snapdragon X laptops still do not have any firmware permitted for redistribution in upstream linux-firmware.git and thus the workaround of needing to fetch it from a Windows partition is needed for getting features like GPU acceleration and other functionality working.
Lmao, good fucking luck gaining market share with that attitude

>>106555480
Except in real world workloads, where end users are finding them to be inferior to x86.

>>106555450 (OP)
The real reason is Windows which sucks on ARM because there's no third party support. People just don't build their software for ARM Windows.

>>106555450 (OP)
hopefully never. cesspool of locked down garbage

>>106555965
And by the Windows was also the reason why we were stuck on 1366x768 resolution for so long because Windows 7 couldn't implement proper scaling.

>>106555450 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyPhsFxnc_c
When are software devs going to port their software to ARM?
And when are we getting good Mac alternatives?
The Windows ARM laptops in the market right now fucking suck

>>106555481
The useless OS is Desktop Linux.

>>106555957
Nope. They handed us MBPs at work and they handle all sorts of shit without problem. Running a full project stack in Docker to debug while running all sorts of bloated LSP shit in multiple IDEs at a time.

>>106555450 (OP)
>ARM laptops
I though it was pretty much clear by now that "ARM laptops" have phone pcbs in them

>>106555514
Who? Tech nigger?

>>106555450 (OP)
qualcomm is fumbling everything about their arm chips. it's really impressive how badly they're managing everything.

>>106555450 (OP)
>When will ARM laptops have majority marketshare?
never going to happen.

>>106555480
>>They already via Apple, and they absolutely shit all over the competition.
>crlf+f "apple" = 0 results on page 1 of geekbench single core results
https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/singlecore?page=1
GOOD MORNING, SIR

>>106555500
they never benefited at all from it. their computer market share remains the same. it's less than 8% of total market share and makes up around 30% of apple's total profits. losers of the tech race don't create the standards or the market for computing.

>>106556662
are any of those laptop processors?

>>106555450 (OP)
fuck you stupid ARM cocksucker. take your locked bootloaders and shove them up your ass.

>>106556687
>noooo! not like this sar!
doesn't matter if they were processors for a microwave oven and needed a waterfall to cool them. i love how you loser faggots completely forget (or too poor) to realize that apple sells more than laptops and white men and women, with real computing needs, require greater performance than a toy laptop, or a desktop whos insides are a toy laptop. they don't give a fuck about battery power savings when they need a machine plugged into a fucking wall. let us know when your ishit is on page 1 and everyone moves to arm for no apparent reason at all with no performance benefit guaranteed.

>>106556740
this thread is about laptops retard

>>106555450 (OP)
ARM has a weaker memory model than x86. Too many incorrectly written multithreaded programs would crash and burn on ARM.

>>106555450 (OP)
why is x86 emulation so dogshit

>>106555450 (OP)
yes there is

windows 11 on arm is dogshit and macos is too limited.
linux would save us but the drivers on snapdragon laptops suck right now and theres no way to run x86 shit (though most foss programs have a native arm build)
t14s gen 6 is the most supported but theres no sound currently

>>106555450 (OP)
Hopefully never because they're like smartphones

>>106556871
>Nintendies
Yeah, back when their hardware standard for a decade and a half was a reverse engineered Nvidia shield... No shit it's 'technically' an 'upgrade'.... An upgraded toy for children and manchildren that is.

>>106556800
How do you feel about that?

>>106556662
saar do not redeem results of 32Ghz ryzen saar

>>106555450 (OP)
never. power flow and cooling units are b.s.

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