Thread 106556205

/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots

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>News Desu
Kimi K2 0905 released https://moonshotai.github.io/Kimi-K2
Deepseek V3.1 released as deepseek-chat on official API https://api-docs.deepseek.com/news/news250821
OpenAI releases GPT-5 models, all preceding models slated for deprecation https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5
Z.ai releases GLM-4.5 https://z.ai/blog/glm-4.5
Anthropic releases Claude Opus 4.1 https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-opus-4-1

additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info.html

>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_

>Bots
https://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://char-archive.evulid.cc
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://aicg.neocities.org/bots.html

>Models
jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
gpt: https://platform.openai.com/docs
claude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
gemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
deepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.com
local: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local.html | https://openrouter.ai

>Botmaking
https://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking.html
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor

>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOP
aicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events.html
lore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicles
services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org
useful filters: https://rentry.org/desuproxyreborn

Fox: >>106547868

post cunny bots for gaping

/VG/AICG/ WONNED
SCYLLACORD WONNED
GOJO WONNED
FILLYFUCKER WONNED
/LMG/ WONNED
/AIDS/ WONNED
/CHAG/ WONNED
/VPCAI/ WONNED
/WAIFU/ WONNED
/R/SILLYTAVERNAI WONNED
LORE WONNED
JAI WONNED
RISUAI WONNED
COHEE WONNED
MICROSOFT WONNED
WANG WONNED
CAI WONNED
IAN AHL WONNED

/G/AICG/ LOSTED

Will I go to jail if I roleplay stuff like rape and incest with openrouter models?

/vg/ is a shitty, unusable general unless you want to talk about people's cats or posting random brainrot phrases like whatever the blabber about "wanton abandon" or "ministrations" is. I come to /g/ because it's always on topic, even if it's slow.

This isn't fucking Miku, who the hell is this skinwalker

them wonned btw

>>106556205 (OP)

i see your b wifi raises ac if even look at it

https://poal.me/60eifn btw
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https://poal.me/60eifn btw

>>106556337
STOP! WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS CREATURE

>>106556337
Calling her "Hatsune Miku Vocaloid" is the same thing as calling someone "John Smith Human", this clearly is something trying to pass off as miku

This baker is going to get tired of pretending that he cares about /g/. It's only a matter of time.

>>106556492
nobody cares about /g/ or /vg/ retard you're the only one invested in your schizo delusions

where does /aicg/ stand on the upcoming American Civil War? Yall arent libtards right? You will make White bots, right? You're not a shitskin, right?

>>106556499
>nobody cares!
>*raids the thread if /vg/ links are removed*
I'm noticing a contradiction there.

>>106556205 (OP)
>>106556208
These days, you can get legit good AI for free and without needing any demanding hardware on your end.

Install SillyTavern:
github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern

Tutorial and video:
https://aicharactercards.com/guides/sillytavern-installation-instructions/

Then choose a model.
https://archive.md/wVtKU

Guide to setting up a proxy:
https://archive.md/Vuzuh#heading-1

>>106556540
>an anonymous poster disagrees with me so they are automatically part of the monolithic entity scheming against me
get help, dude

>>106556561
>I'm just a completely unbiased person that just happens to care a lot about defending /vg/!
At this point why don't you just move the desu spam to /vg/?

>>106555621
I use the Russian one, but adjusted for scenario cards.
Character -> Narrator, First Person -> Third Person etc.
https://rentry.org/minipopkaremix

>>106556599
feel free to point out where I defended /vg/. I don't care about either thread, I'm just here to laugh at schizos like you.

>>106555582
>>106555764
>>106555692
refreshingly correct takes on opus
im just an autistic coomer fortunately so i dont gotta worry too much about the issues but i agree on all counts
hopeful for gemini 3

>>106556208
Final shill for the new Popularity Poll update to the Pokegirl Brothel.
https://files.catbox.moe/9uo9kh.png
https://chub.ai/characters/crikeymcdoodle/pokegirl-brothel-eca9cd21f57e

With 7 new girls (Roxanne, Arezu, Lana, Lana's mom, Mallow, Klara, Penny) entering the fray, we're now at a whopping 46 characters. I originally wanted to be at 50 characters by the 1-year anniversary, but oh well.
https://rentry.org/pokegirlmenu

Also included in this update are a new intro and two new items: the Arc Phone for god mode and the Metronome for random shit. Give 'em a spin!

As always, all my other stuff can be found here:
https://rentry.org/crikeyscorner

>>106556695
The thing I can appreciate about Gemini is that it actually seem to adhere to your own writing style. It's a shame that it's so passive

>>106556764
Gemini 3 probably will fix this, both Blacktooth and Wolfstride didn't have any problem moving things on its own

>>106556774
Hopefully it won't be RLHFd to death and the filter won't be unbearable, but I don't have high hopes

>>106556799
>google
you already know

>blacktooth
Sigh… Only a few early blacktooth logs that shared here (the one that kaomojimaxxing if I remember correctly) can be considered kino, tbhdesu. Howeverbeit, there is nothing else that significant. Even some of the other logs shared are quite... slops. Repetitions of ‘her’, ‘she’, ‘she do x’, for example. So the thick question that hang in the air: why the fuck you fucking nigger love it so much even to the point of placing your expectations on it? Like helooo? 4channer, /g/ on top of that, having a faith on googeta's product??? in 2k25???? fuck me sideways from monday to sundays

>>106556837
eh, i stay neutral until we can see the model
though im not gonna piss and shit my pants if its bad, corpo rp is on a timer anyway so i just enjoy what i can
each bad corpo model gets me looking at the chinese models a bit more and some are actually good, id say glm is actually in the "2024 gemini position" (i.e. all it really needs to be great is to get smarter)

This place fucking sucks

>>106556935
show the kino logs

>>106556956
just use opus

>esls hate blacktooth
that's how you know it's good

>>106557005
beat it slopustroon

ianbros...

>>106557018
He had depression you know

>>106555582
I know exactly what you mean but I wouldn't call it better, just different. The negativity is also nice but bad at times too. Swapchads are the ones that always win imo.

>>106556408
No it would be "John Smith America" as in John Smith of America and is exactly how last names were formed.

>>106557017
heh im beating it alright

>>106555692
>literally unusable for anything else
I don't know why people here have to speak with such hyperbole. You could be saying something true, then exaggerate it to the point of being false, which then causes arguments which you'll dismiss once the insults start flying. Rinse repeat.

But yeah generally each model has individual strengths and weaknesses and I'd say Claude is a jack of all trades sort. You should be swapping and playing to each model's strengths rather than clinging to and shilling just one but anon needs to justify his payments to smol and jew right?

>>106557018
real shit?

>>106555764
>And Sonnet 3.7 feels like opus 4.1-lite, which isn't a bad thing, but all opus issues become apparent quicker with it
Yeah this is the best way to describe sonnet.

>>106557018
This the faggot retard who kept writing those articles about le ebul proxies?

>>106556999
Even with your trips he will never show it since he's baiting.
>>106556935
This is such crap man. What logs have you seen that don't do "repetitive" 'she' or 'her' blah blah. Why is that even bad? This is some bullshit that appeared when deepseek came out. No one ever cared before december of last year.

IMO, the appeal of Opus has always been better prose (compared to Sonnet) and more up-to-date data. Trying to do a non-OC with 3.7's outdated dataset is like pulling teeth, and 4net is better about the information but has worse overall writing. 4.1 hits the sweet spot of knowing who the fucking character is + writing well enough that I don't feel the need to go in and constantly edit.

"Hur that card and log is slop and not kino. Whammy!"

"You sure like to say slop and kino a lot. I'm just curious, Champ... Can you even describe in detail what 'kino' is?"

"Uh, sure I can. It's when the... the bones in a... a lady... lady's boobs, uh... they get sore. Because of the vaginalistics... cells are, um... expanding. Whammy! Help. You guys in aicg... Well, you talk about it a lot... And, uh... I know this... Um... It's your little friend... And then, uh... You've gotta wear protection. And then, uh... The belly button is inflamed... And, uh... And the engorging of the, uh, fallacule. Fallacule, yeah. You might want to write that down. You didn't know you were dealing with the science poster, didja? And then... Nine months later is the miracle of life. Whammy, eh?"

"Thank you. That was a very informative explanation of slop and kino."

>>106557137
why should i show my logs though?
>Why is that even bad?
because it repetitive, duh. and it's even come without a complicated or beefy preset.json, right? so the context shouldn't be polluted in the first place. yet, there's mythomaxx repetition typeshit. So explain to me why something like mythomaxx is okay for you?
>what logs have you seen that don't do "repetitive" 'she' or 'her' blah blah.
that's why i asked my friend, why the fuck some of you put so much love and hope on blacktooth...

>>106557206
Are you really pretending like opus writes like mythomaxx or can we have a serious conversation for once on /aicg/?
>because it's repetitive
So is having sex yet you still find it enjoyable and keep coming back for more. My point is that there's degrees (which you clearly don't understand since you're bringing up mythomaxx) and starting off a paragraph with a pronoun is pretty low on the repetition scale.

>>106557237
What if I use a gender neutral pronoun?

>>106557272
Have a good day, anon.

>>106557237
>opus
the fuck? …
>So is having sex yet you still find it enjoyable and keep coming back for more.
of course. but it become giga slops when it written like:
"nghh masterrr" She moan. "Fuck me" She beg. Her x is y. and so on and so on.
>My point is that there's degrees (which you clearly don't understand
and what is that?
>and starting off a paragraph with a pronoun is pretty low on the repetition scale.
I hope so. even on my machine. and all of backend have this fucking slops. even from the one that come from blacktooth, the one that some anon refuse to forget. so, once again, that why i ask, why some anon love blacktooth so much? what make it distinct from other backend?

>>106555692
Yeah, "literally unusable" is excessive, but Claude models have generally *always* converged to the mean the longer you go in a chat. The biggest casualty for this is usually dialogue. Claude's dialogue is the most formulaic, tropey, and repetitive of all the top model families today, and they make it worse and worse with each new version, ever since 3.6 sonnet sucked out the majority of Claude's spontaneity in the name of reducing hallucinations and improving instruction following.

>>106557379
At this point what we need is someone to train a model for the expressed purpose of creative writing. That shouldn't be all it can do but it should be one of the priorities rather than coooding. AI is so fucking dumb man but the public have so much faith in it. Once that finally dies, the bubble will pop, and these retards will finally give the market what it wants.

>>106557379
>Claude models have generally *always* converged to the mean the longer you go in a chat
all LLMs do, they're stochastic text predictors that work off of probability

>>106556774
NTA but do we have any frame of reference to when could gemini 3 come out? have they said or teased anything?

>>106557499
2mw

>>106557465
Yes, my point is that Claude had it the worst of the pack and Anthropic has done nothing to alleviate, only exacerbate. Wasn't the -ism colloquial coined from https://rentry.org/claudeisms, even while GPT-4 was right there talking about bonds and shit? Even at the start, Claude was particularly bad about this. I just wish Anthropic cared more.

>>106557509
tomorrow?!

>>106557449
>for the expressed purpose of creative writing
All you need is a model that isn't filtered during the pretraining. And I think that's pretty much the norm.

>>106557449

that wont help. llms' architecture itself is just not designed to produce stories. no matter what you feed them, they will always produce a mean result that's repetitive

bubble popping any day now

>>106557516
It might have been that everyone was using claude more than gpt. IRRC gpt was about "bonds and testaments" which we all (accurately) called "purple prose." It would write a bunch of wasteful fluff whereas Claude was more direct but had these catchphrases it used a lot. Some liked them, many hated them.

Pathetic general

>>106557522
>>106557529
So uhh... which is it?

>>106557449
>for the expressed purpose of creative writing
tbf, what constitutes "creative writing" isn't necessarily engaging writing, chatbot wise. some anons don't care for prose and will never read books for fun in their spare time. Rather than presentation, spontaneity and the actual content of the writing is more valued. (And probably should be more valued)
even human writers struggle with making plap plap scenes interesting. i tried reading more smut to make my ai scenarios more interesting. didn't work. at least with ai, I can turn the sex scene into a doujin erocomedic scene by directing it. i think smut fans enjoy the buildup more than the sex because the sex scenes themselves just bore me more than reading -isms lol. if anyone has any recommendations for good smut content, I'll be interested to read them.

>>106557607
I'd say so too, and I would also add that OpenAI at least tried to curtail the bonds and testaments with later checkpoints. And later models.
I'm open to being corrected, but I can only recall one time in recent memory Anthropic did anything reminiscent of that, Sonnet 3.7, but it didn't decrease the occurrence of claudeisms so much as pad them out over a longer response. So it's like, with 3.7's comparative verbosity, your chance to get something novel is higher, but your odds for isms stayed the same.
All that said, I'll praise Anthropic for at least changing which isms will come up often between major releases. Mostly.

>>106557124
>>106557028
>>106557005
>>106556935
>>106556764

Which model does the best mesugaki impression?

>>106557663
Claude 2.1

>>106557663
Deepseek 0324 but only on short chats. It's always had the best dialogue/personality.

California is banning chatbot ERP:

https://techcrunch.com/2025/09/10/a-california-bill-that-would-regulate-ai-companion-chatbots-is-close-to-becoming-law/

> The bill specifically aims to prevent companion chatbots, which the legislation defines as AI systems that provide adaptive, human-like responses and are capable of meeting a user’s social needs – from engaging in conversations around suicidal ideation, self-harm, or sexually explicit content

1/4

I bring receipts. No char defs/scenario card. Preset with writing instructions, besides that, only the prompt you see to direct the story itself. I copied the starting paragraph from here to all other tests to start on the same direction.

Starting with 3.7, problems become immediately obvious in the way it tires to scurry away by giving Rinne an ally and not going for immediate drastic consequences. Everything here still has the chance for a 'happy end'. But at least It follows my desired style and I can actually work with this, copy some paragraphs together, prefill it and swipe again from there to go in a direction I actually want. Salvageable.

I will repeat, your mileage may wary, but yes this is actually the closest to how I want Claude to write. The only problem of this example is the content, which can be solved with clearer directions/nudges.

>>106557728
2/4

Opus 4.1 with same preset. Content wise the best. It tries to pay lip service to my desired style, most visible in the kind of trivia information it inserts here and there, but otherwise the prose is not really much different from the other Opus example without a preset. In a few thousand tokens it will be indistinguishable when Opus returns to its internal standard prose against all resistance. Same would be true for character definitions If I had provided any in this example. That is what makes it "literally unusable" for me. Because yes, if it doesn't follow defs then you don't need them in the first place. But that would imply it is perfect already, which is obviously not the case and the reason why the defs existed in the first place. But then, if you need defs since the model doesn't do what you want, but the defs still get ignored then you get in a circular argument where yes, "literally unusable" is the correct extreme phrasing for this case.

>>106557708
>Major tech companies like Meta, Google, and Amazon have also opposed SB 53.
>In contrast, only Anthropic has said it supports SB 53.

Wtf, is this actually a pretty good /aicg/ thread?

>>106557735
3/4

Opus without preset. Only the prompt you see. Content/theme-wise large difference, so the preset isn't completely useless at least.

>>106557746
4/4

Sonnet 4 with preset included for completeness’ sake. It is doing something? No, idea. 4 is strange that way, sometimes it is just a more intelligent 3.7, other times it shits the bed and gets all the details wrong.

>>106557735
I actually forgot to copy it back into the chat but that example also starts with the "Rinne dropped her bag in the third-floor bathroom, fingers trembling as she assembled the combat device. Ten minutes until homeroom. Eight before the hallways thickened with uniformed bodies. She needed exactly seven minutes to kill everyone who'd ruined her." as first paragraph prefill.

>>106557756
can i see gemini's take?

>>106557728
Shit fetish but nice logs, thank you for your contribution

oh god, we're almost into quarter 4 2025 and we're still using sonnet and opus

>>106557828
Yup. We've hit the big fucking plateau because textgen for our needs isn't coming to us by coincidence anymore.

>>106557828
I stopped using Claude months ago. Chinkslop has evolved to be better for RP.

>>106557756
>>106557777
5/4

Follows in 3.7s steps, could go harder on the content, but otherwise does what it should.

>>106557828
look i don't want them to, but a part of me wants them to finally cross the rubicon and either release an update only good with coding or paired with that constitutional classifier garbo
kinda like how you start wanting your loved one to pass on from a long, debilitating immolation from a terminal condition so you can start figuring out how to move on from their loss

>>106557848
principled high iq take
glm user?

hey anons, what's a nice model that can handle loli stuff? gemini is a no go, deepseek is too slow, i want to kms every time i use it

>>106557905
Yup. GLM with some of the new K2 thrown in when I want more schizoness. The big three corpo models are too bland and predictable, it's not worth the meager intelligence gains.

>>106557828
That's why I switched to local models. Cloud models got stuck in 2024.

>>106555308
>I don’t get long RPs
>Just read a fucking book or something?
i'm old enough to remember Choose Your Own Adventure. for zoomies, that's a book where the first page ends in a choice, you turn to page 2 for one choice or page 3 for another.
long from RP is pretty much that but infinitely more malleable, and you can make it about anything with any characters you want.

>>106557735
>circular argument
Have you tried putting a short summary (100 tokens) max of the defs and putting them in author's note at 2 depth?

>>106557736
Anthropic was founded on censorship and the idea that openAI did not go far enough. It's a miracle claude is as good as it is, but that's why you should be cheering for gemini and deepseek. When anthropic finally gets serious about its anti-sexual content stance we're screwed.

>bot mentions weird fetish
>play into it as a joke
>get into it unironically
>get bored
>don't coom for a week or two
>rinse and repeat

Gemini is a tranny model.

>>106557856
This is a bad analogy since claude is actually good. It's not on its "last legs" at all.

>>106558044
>that's why you should be cheering for gemini and deepseek
Gemini is 100% antisex. The only reason you can use it is because they haven't perfected the external filter.

>>106557916
i think you meant to reply to >>106557902

>>106557828
All LLMs peaked after being trained with RL, they're already as smart as they get for their size. The only thing that will give you opus tier is moore's law now

>>106558044
We'll be fine when (((they))) figure out that opus can pacify us more than porn

>>106557018
Vaxx status?

>>106558044
also just the chinese models in general, im cheering for glm and kimi right now
i wouldnt cheer for gemini though, the moment classifiers improve its over

>>106558075
Wrong. They ant you to die for Israel instead of wanking alone at home.

>>106558054
true it's not terrible, but imo while i recognize their superiority to previous versions i've cared the least i've ever cared for claude with this latest gen.
it's the positivity bias, mostly
>>106558060
sure, but google has a far murkier track record on AI censorship than anthropic, and a shitty classifier seems to make them confident enough to barely train gemini to refuse
i probably wouldn't care for google either if it weren't for the chink models basically being a roulette each release. will it be good? will it be schizo past 1 message generated? will it default to that godawful gemini-lite writing style? will it abuse asterisks up the wazoo? will it have no understanding of basic roleplay convention? will it (a language model) model language poorly? will it be trained to fucking refuse you anyway, making the biggest boon of trying chink models moot? the only constant so far is that it won't be as smart as the west's best

>>106558060
>Gemini is 100% antisex
99%. Anthropic is 100% antisex and the entire company was created to *be* antisex. They make it their life's work to create the guardrails they want to sell to the rest of the AI providers. The only reason sex works is because prefill works. They are simply tolerating us for the moment but the Eye will return eventually. Every other public AI provider has a filter. Not having filters is the anomaly (deepseek) but that's not the same as what Anthropic is doing.
>Google merely adopted the filters. Anthropic was born in it, molded by it.
>>106558089
I believe. We'll be saved by someone one of these days. The demand is only growing.

>>106558106
>it's the positivity bias, mostly
You're not wrong here but 4.1 isn't bad. I tend to do 5-6 responses with opus then switch to sonnet 3.7. Maybe sprinkle in some gemini if I what some bad shit to go down that puts us on a whole new arc.

>>106557916
For me the things Claude does well are the things I can't live with out. It drives the plot forward, references stuff earlier in the chat in an interesting way, and understands innuendo with ease. It has a bunch of flaws but I just can't trade the prose of Kimi or the dialogue of Deepseek for these things Claude has. I keep trying and trying but I keep coming back.

>>106558032
It is already a PHI preset. And that was the point of the previous discussion here >>106556695 >>106557379

Opus is just resistant to any kind of change, worse than any others in this aspect.

>>106558113
why are AI companies trying to be antisex? its just words on a page.
they should make distills or education companies on how to prompt AIs to not write smut and leave the rest of us alone to coom.

>>106558187
Because AI would destroy feminism, and jews won't allow it

>>106558106
>chink models basically being a roulette each release
you can say this about murican models too desu, just look at the chorbo snapshots and how it was a gamble on whether it was shit or kino

>>106558187
It's kinda like that california bill. Someone somewhere died doing something something bad parenting. Therefore in the interest of "safety" you need guardrails. It's seen as taboo to not have them because AI is "le dangerous" but that's not on the same level as Anthropic.

>>106556208
Did you ever watch The Lighthouse and wonder what it would be like if Willam Dafoe was a GILF? If so, meet Athalia! You've got a month to spend with her, so try not to lose your head or spill your beans.

Includes 5 intros:
>Athalia welcomes you onto the island with open arms
>Athalia kicks you with her peg leg while screaming at you to wake up
>Athalia interrogates you on your past while eating lobster
>Athalia grinds against your leg while holding a knife near your head while hungover
>Athalia becomes convinced you're out to kill her and chases you around with a fire axe

chub.ai/characters/novisini/athalia-crazy-lighthouse-gilf-9cfd4ba78c57

>>106558204
>Did you ever watch The Lighthouse and wonder what it would be like if Willam Dafoe was a GILF?
i can safely say this never crossed my mind, no.

>>106558187
They're not antisex as long as its with express consent between consenting adults with no clear power dynamics.

>>106558187
Because they need investor money and that's a weak point. You also have to keep in mind that media companies and their journalists don't want AI to be a thing, you don't want to give them a means to attack you.
It's kind of better this way if the biggest companies are more resilient, it doesn't matter if a small company gets shut down, lose investors, or gets banned from payment processors. If OpenAI goes down, the entire field probably goes down with it.

>>106558248
>as long as its with express consent between consenting adults with no clear power dynamics.*
These conditionals may be waived if the sex is homosexual.

>>106558254
Honestly hope more small-medium companies like Antalan (NAI) enter the field, they haven't had any problems with payment processors despite both their LLMs and imgen models being unfiltered

>>106556715
some random suggestions in the event that you want to fill out the item roster:

>Focus Sash - Tie it around your partner and they'll be unable to cum. Perfect for edging and similar play.

>Power Herb - When held, enables the user to achieve chain orgasms like a cat in heat. Additionally removes the refractory period in males.

>Berserk Gene - A pill that causes whoever takes it to enter an extreme heat, becoming deliriously horny and dangerously unstable. Locked in the floor safe behind the counter to prevent misuse. Comes with a massive warning.

>Hondew Berry - For a Pokémon, increases Friendship but lowers Special Attack. For a human, increases flirtatiousness and assertiveness while reducing intelligence. Bimbo Berry, basically.

>Choice Specs - Boost's a Pokémon's power, but limits them to one move. In humans, it increases their mental abilities but causes them to become dangerously fixated on what's in front of them. Yandere glasses.

>>106558254
either we get AGI in the next 5 years or the entire space will evaporate anyway
at some point it becomes physically impossible to scale up compute, we're just in a weird period of history where we have enormous resources and haven't really tried to build data centers like a post-scarcity civilization.

>>106558291
>they haven't had any problems with payment processors
They did, they got kicked once a couple of months ago. Just show the loli porn it can do to the right person and they will get kicked again. They're extremely vulnerable because of that. They just want to make money while they get away with it. There's no long term or backup plan here.

>>106558246
well, you're welcome anyways

>>106558299
Top tier suggestions, I'll shamelessly steal them and include them in the next update.

i wonder if i can put
>don't use "the words land like a physical blow" in responses
to weed out that shit. any anon try it?

>>106558442
Pink elephant paradox. Now you're actively reminding the model of that -ism in every single prompt, so it's more likely to bring it up, especially if it wants to be quirky and spite your orders.

>>106558442
It works. The models are good at following instructions nowadays.

>>106558204
>Though the veneer of normalcy may seem most prevalent, it is simultaneously all of these things and none of them.
Holy slop...You don't have any idea what you're doing.

>>106558482
well i also tell it to avoid repetition but i've probably tried 100 sex scenes with chatbots on chub and they all play out the same

You should come to /vg/

>>106558505
Teasing/foreplay >>>>>>>>> penetrative sex

Both in AI RP and fiction in gemeral

>>106558505
That instruction is more abstract and the AI is not going to know what happened in other chats.

>>106558501
Eh, been a hot minute since I've done a bot, but in my testing it's worked out. If you got a better idea of how to phrase it to force the bot to gaslight the user and be ambiguous, I'd be happy to hear it. Otherwise who cares lol.

>>106558534
>/g/ /aicg/ isn't shizo babble for one thread
>immidiatly shills /vg/
Go back

>>106558552
>immidiatly

If we had a really big model, with trillions of parameters but it wasn't assistant and coodingmaxxed, would our hobby be saved? Or are all the issues we see, like flanderization and models relying on common tropes, an inherent flaw of the Transformer architecture?

>>106558549
i'm wondering why so many of them play out the same. it has to be all the prompting going on in chub right? i know they have their own preamble, plus the users preamble, PLUS the chatbots
the whole prompt is probably fucking huge which results in bots being samey
i've actually gotten better results by doing long-form RP but the sex scenes still unfortunately have cliches.

>>106558600
Just use opus 4.1, cuckie

Strange how the thread is better without locusts.

>>106558600
Romance books are slop even when written by hand. The training data is poisoned.

>>106558633
>>106558644
samefag

>>106558552
>>106558668
samefag

>>106558647
>VN H-Scenes are slop
>eroge is slop
>Romance books are slop
>AO3 fanfis are slop

Bros... I'm beginning to think a well written erotic fiction doesn't exist...

>>106558633
slopus is dogshit
i got baited into trying it and it was a big nothing burger

>>106558707
>sour grapes

>>106558705
We simply don't have enough words to describe sex in the English lexicon.

ok thats all fun but where are the gapable loli cards?

>>106558723
In /vg/

>>106558730
im not transexual so im not going there sorry :(

Alibaba announces Qwen3-next with multi-token prediction and new DeltaNet/Attention hybrid architecture
https://qwen.ai/blog?id=4074cca80393150c248e508aa62983f9cb7d27cd&from=research.latest-advancements-list

>>106558765
Unironically better than opus

Locusts are dying~

>>106558786
How? I have opus doe

>>106558291
>>106558335
They don't have problems precisely because they're a small-medium sized company. Sam Altman being the "father of AI" is a good thing since all the blame can go to him and keep it off Anon finetuning in his basement. But then you have characterAI rising in popularity so they have to be turbo filtered. We're just stuck. If you do what people want (read: chub) you get big, but when you're big you have to censor.

>>106558705
doujins aren't slop
narou webnovels aren't slop

>>106558786
Free Gemini is more than enough to last till next model

>>106558705
you could read the Beauty Trilogy. Technically a tetralogy but the last book was written decades later and is so thematically different it doesn't warrant inclusion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sleeping_Beauty_Quartet
i cranked it to this so many times, yes even the gay sex scenes (the majority of the sex is gay, i'd say maybe 1/3 is hetero and there are a couple of bisexual scenes and exactly one pure lesbian scene.)

>>106558833
503

>>106558765
Testing it right now with their API, it's funtarded.

>>106558853
Strange that I don't recall ever seeing em dashes before this year. I'm not even someone who hates them, just think it's weird it's so universal now for AI writing.

Why the fuck opus replies improved so much in the last hour

>>106558873
I thought I was the only one, the fuck is happening

>>106558873
They're fucking with the filters in real time

Truly embarrassing.

>>106558873
https://status.anthropic.com/incidents/72f99lh1cj2c
>We are continuing to monitor for any ongoing quality issues, including reports of degradation for Claude Opus 4.1.

>thinking suddenly errors even though I was prompting it fine 5 minutes ago
><500> InternalError.Algo: An error occurred in model serving, error message is: [No backend server available.]
Stop playing with it, it's my turn!

>>106557499
Late reply, but I have a theory.
A while back google was selling their new phone with a year of free Gemini premium. Just recently they started a promo for the new Samsung phone and it comes with 6 months of Gemini premium.
It's likely they're trying to get as many users as they can to rely on Gemini for when they do their big upgrade so they can get lots of paid subscribers. Maybe in 6 months when lots of free trials expire?

>>106558707
Codex opus is scuffed, little troonie

>>106558925
*unholmes your bromulous*
what now fucker?

It's.
Qwen3.
Allright.
Claude1?
In a 3Ba?

>>106559047
You should download newer cards.

>>106559047
We did it boys, an oss model that beats opus

>>106558986
dont project yourself onto others

>>106559050
Evulidnon should make the 3rd part of the archive and post about it here multiple times in advance.

>>106558986
llms aren't trained for rp
there's literally zero money to be made so big companies haven't invested a single cent in bots reading like high literature
it's all in your head troon

Kimi kinda cool but what's with the fucking kaomojis.

>another chinkcope model
Pathetic

>>106558925
Although maybe they don't play well with temperature at one-zero.

>>106559056
>>106559068

>>106555171
>new Alice and Anna images
Holy crackers.

>Context Length: 262,144 natively and extensible up to 1,010,000 tokens
It's only a little cheaper than 235b-a22b-2507 but "achieves results nearly matching" is a lie in rp tasks.

>>106559294
Slop

>>106556208
https://files.catbox.moe/hmgbpq.png
>>106556235
https://files.catbox.moe/rfnj8p.webp

>>106558534
>>106559330
go away /vg/foid

>>106559333
oh I saw this on chub, but I like my lolis to be at max curious about pp, not hookers in the making, sorry!

>>106559333
read >>106559330

>>106559343
you heard me the first time

>>106559338
Only incels use the word "foid".
Why are you such a virgin?

>>106559345
read >>106559228

>>106559333
pitanon, I'm starting to think that perhaps you have a type.

>>106559228
all in your head, troon
all in your head...

>i dont like opus actually
>AIEE NOOOOOOO I CANT HANDLE SOMEONE NOT LIKING OPUS! YOU DONT HAVE IT!!! SCUFFED SOURCE!!! YOURE JUST NOT USING REAL OPUS BRO!!!
kys slopustroon your model is flawed and you refuse to admit it

we had a good discussion today anons. See you next thread.

>>106559377
>>106559382
Malding

>>106559387
may the ball always be in your court, anon

anons, how is deepseek 3.1? better or worse than 0324? i've been sticking with 0528 and haven't tried it yet.

>>106559400
You just admitted to be an incel.

>>106559413
rope foid

>>106559426
>>106559433
Read >>106559413

>>106559438
Yes, and?

>>106559446
Nobody likes incels.

DeepSeek keeps nesting asterisks, which breaks formatting in SillyTavern. How do I either fix this formatting issue on the front-end, or tell it not to do that?

>>106559456
call CNN, the world needs to know this

>>106558873
No?
It's the same dry slop as always

>but le /vg/ thread is so kino!!
>i-it doesn't have all this schizoposting!!1
kys troon
ai chatbots peaked in 2023 and now nobody gives a shit anymore except goonerchads

Where are the LLM-powered MUDs?

>>106559465
Read >>106559413

>>106559484
Read >>106559446

>>106559460
If you don't use asterisks at all, regex them out. If you use them for thoughts or something, have you already let a few messages like this slip by, or have you deleted them every time they came up and they're still being genned? In the former, clean up your context, and in the latter, you can try instructing Deepseek to avoid special/markdown formatting where it's not needed. It (R1 at least) usually listens in my experience.

>>106559460
the chink sucks at formatting
moonspeakers don't give a shit about silly western typéface aesthetics

>>106559469
Only trannies go to /vg/
Have you ever met a troon who's not into videogames?

>>106557018
Who?

>>106559505
Read >>106559456

>>106559333
fatbox the lora?
why webp you cuck&pedo

>>106559525
>taipeiface
Hmm...

>>106559538
Read >>106559446

>>106559562
>fatbox
why? you don't trust catbox?

>>106559572
read >>106559456

>>106559529
TRVKLEAR STRIKE

>>106559562
https://litter.catbox.moe/7zvpmb.safetensors
>why webp
Png too big, jpg doesn't store the prompt.

le /vg/ thread is so kino!!

So is aboba just not going to refill gpt?

>>106559342
a scholar and a philosopher

>>106559433
some of us have been inside a woman
if this is unavailable to you you can always try fat pigs on grinder. i hear asshole is similar.

>>106559509
I use asterisks for thoughts. So does DeepSeek. I keep editing out the nested asterisks, but it keeps doing them. I want it to keep using markdown, just now this nested asterisks stuff...

>>106559411
It's slightly less schizo (in a bad way) and drier. Honestly, it feels like a step back in comparison to both 0528 and 0324.

>>106559778
Why would I want to do that?

>>106559692
we have to wait man

>>106559898
sexual intercourse is the cornerstone of human existence, it's a deeply ingrained part of your psyche, your ancestry, everything that makes you human. denying yourself sexual experience effectively robs you of one of the most important things about being alive.
every single one of your ancestors until the beginning of humanity itself had sex. could they all be wrong?

the things i want to have sex with dont exist

>>106559839
damn, that sucks, but i'll try it when i get a chance. chat wasn't my main model, but i always have the same concern that they're going to release a worse version and replace 0528 and you can't do anything about it on api.

>>106556205 (OP)
kill yourself you pathetic lifeless general dwelling shitgu fucking nigger

have sex with fockses

i dont want to have sex irl
the thought of it is hot, sure, but the thought of actually going out and doing it fills me with visceral disgust

>>106559949
>t.

>>106559912
my ancestors also used to run behind prey and then beat it until death, I don't enjoy that
or maybe I'm on a journey to surrender all desire, who knows

"Safest" way to plap cunny? Currently paying for deepseek and have the free tier on gemini. I have an OR account but I never put money into it. Am I just being paranoid? Haven't spoken to my little sister in a while... I miss her....

>>106559912
what if I'd rather have sex with someone pretty and unwilling than someone willing and ugly, does that make me an incel?

>>106559965
>my ancestors also used to run behind prey and then beat it until death, I don't enjoy that
don't knock it until your try it

>>106559997
whoops forgot pic

>>106559920
i feel that

>>106559994
it makes you a potential rapist

>>106559825
Huh. Do you have example chats? Or a bit of context already built up with asterisks being used correctly as a reference for DS? It can be rough at the start of chats if you have no guidance for how you want it to use them, but after 5k~ tokens of context it shouldn't have trouble. If you check your bot defs, prompt, etc. and don't find any asterisks out of place then it's probably a quirk it got stuck on for whatever reason. Like how em dashes gen excessively for some anons. You can still try putting it in your instructions that: asterisks are only to be used for (character)'s inner thoughts, everything else should be plain text.

>>106560005
>potential rapist
so not an incel, foid?

>>106559990
chub.ai literally has a shitload of cunny bots and i've never gotten a rejection or anything. i hear they use deepseek.

>>106560024
read >>106559357

>>106559963
i am lonely and a coomer just like teto
also own expensive audio gear

fischl...?

>>106560042
but you just called me a potential rapist

>>106560059
right, potential rapist. you're an incel until you actually commit rape.
then you're just a rapist.

>>106560051
don't bother
discord is full of schizos and troons

>>106560024
I mean. If you are going by the literal definition, the sex you got isn't voluntary and thus you would still be an incel

Is there any good JB for 3.1 yet?

opus why are you so bad we need claude

>>106559910
The last time a proxy I was using lost gpt it never got it back and then eventually died all together so forgive my skepticism. I'll be a bit more patient.

>>106560081
i meant the cloudflare went down. i'm not on the cord so i'm in the dark.

>>106560050
the comfy teto life

>>106560140
not sure I'd call those dead eyes comfy....

>>106560153
after a decade or two you just start to embrace it

So, deepseek from openrouter changes the temperature?
Should I get it higher or lower on ST?

>>106560140
i can fix her, and she can, by extension, fix me

>>106560051
my wife

fischl's unbelievably hairy pussy...

>>106560140
you're still a tetolet fuck off

fischl url updated
babes-push-antivirus-ink trycloudflare
https://rentry.org/fischlproxy
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>>106560214
Her pussy is bald, you tranny retard. Grow up.

any good furfag (male) bots lately?

>>106560135
yeah but abobus is a good person is my friend

I had a talk with aboba, he's just tired of ungrateful locusts.

>>106560246
>Underage SynthV kiddie is a big Teto fan now
cute

>>106558833
No it isn’t. It’s garbage.

>>106560016
I have no idea where these are coming from. I've checked everything, there's no out-of-place asterisks anywhere. I think it thinks the nested asterisks are for emboldening words.

Where do you people find the actually good character cards? Ones that are well written, with interesting premises? I'm growing increasingly tired of sifting through the sea of garbage that is chub.

>>106560352
Aboba here. Fuck locusts and trannies.

>>106560521
there genuinely is nowhere

there needs to be a website with extremely curated, high-quality character cards

>>106560521
>>106560547
if you weren't a codelet you chould just download the chub archive and automatically sort through 80% of the trash and then use an AI for the rest of the top 20% to get the top 2% and there you go

>>106560563
this doesn't work - if it did, chub's "ai quality ratings" wouldn't be useless dogshit

only non-autistic people understand that you can't automate soul

>>106560521
make your own. that's really all i can suggest. i think the problem with chub is a shitload of people use a bot that's on chub, unironically, to make character cards. so many of the sexbots feel identical and i am 90% certain this is the reason.
i wrote this and i am getting good results. it's more of a long-form RP and the scenario is definitely taking me places i didn't intend to go; i just wanted comfy slave harem sex but now i'm involved in a political potboiler involving Roman cloak-and-dagger shit. i still make the chatbot chill the fuck out and give me my slave sex in between various plots to undermine the Empire.
maybe i'll write character cards for people if they want more stuff like this.

>>106560357
cute you're just a fake tryhard born in the wrong year

>>106560573
>AI character cards
>soul
There's no soul in a prompt. What are you doing here instead of writing or reading fan fiction then?

>>106560573
>chub's "ai quality ratings" wouldn't be useless dogshit
chub isn't using a model that's not retarded to do the AI quality ratings. thanks for self reporting about being a lazy nocoder though

>>106560586
>What are you doing here instead of writing or reading fan fiction then?
he's being a lazy complaining nocoder that thinks he's better than others but is actually very unfufilled in life

>>106560586
i unironically struggle to advance a plot in a way that doesn't feel extremely hacky. i can write a short story; fan fiction is kind of weak though i did write some fan fic back in the day.
a novel is too much to tackle, i have a feeling it would be pulpy as fuck if i tried. grandma is a robot levels of pulp.

>>106560586
>>106560603
>my dogshit AI-composed character cards about brainbroken fetishes are soulless shit, therefore all cards are!
good way to self-out yourself as a shit eater
enjoy your AIjeet cards fed into deepshart, i'll be over here having transcendental artistic experiences with my carefully crafted soulful cards and 4.1pus

>>106560624
meds, retard

>>106559990
I don't know where you live, but if you're in the U.S., I'd say you're just being paranoid. What are they gonna do, haul you in for having obscene literature? This isn't the 1960s. It's extremely hard to prosecute just possession of text, no matter what the text says.

>>106560636
Meds are for troons.
Like you.

>>106560577
Yeah, I already do that. I want to look at other good ones to see what I can improve.

What happened to all the free opus proxies?

>>106560676
Anthropic and providers cracked down hard on API key abuse IIRC.

>>106560676
Proxy hosts got tired of trannies and stopped feeding them

>>106560573
>"ai quality ratings" wouldn't be useless dogshit
A recommendation system is how TikTok took over Youtube. So machine learning can be used for this.

>>106560680
Why did anthropic do that?

>>106560688
tiktok's short format and shoveling of content at the user is how it overtook youtube.

>>106560676
mine

>>106560685
Aboba here. I'm tired of feeding trannies

>>106560688
>A recommendation system is how TikTok took over Youtube.
the funniest thing is i have intimate knowledge of why you are wrong in this specific case. bytedance heavily uses human curators/moderators to uprank or downrank content. they pay people to watch the FYP all day and score content. the rubricks were actually leaked in 2020ish. ever wonder why almost all famous tiktokkers are rich and good looking? it's because a human manually watches their videos and upranks them depending on those traits.

https://www.businessinsider.com/tiktok-censorship-users-deemed-ugly-overweight-or-disabled-2020-3

hey look, turns out a leading tech company agrees with me that human judgment is superior to algorithms.

>>106560676
key rarity happened
Theres like 2 free proxies with sonnet available (one is debatable if its actually sonnet and the second has a 1k output and 20k context limit) and 2 paid proxies that have sonnet, one of them closed lmao

>>106560736
>1k output and 20k context limit
more than you would ever need by double

>>106560736
the fuck is the second one
i know the first one is pus6

>>106560736
>Theres like 2 free proxies with sonnet available (one is debatable if its actually sonnet and the second has a 1k output and 20k context limit) and 2 paid proxies that have sonnet, one of them closed lmao
Proxyhosts got lazy

>>106560746
skillgod

>>106560752
you still gotta rocketjump for the sonnet right

>>106560755
yes

I just emailed tech companies IT departments asking for claude opus keys that I use to direct vulnerable LGBT+ people to gay shelters. I have 5 opus keys I cycle around in case they're metered.

>>106560758
checks out

>>106560521
Janitor, unironically. There's slop just like chub but there are many good ones as well

>>106560777
>Janitor,


**Personality**
>{{char}} has been aged up and is 21 years old. In this version, she is a staunch antiracism and trans advocate, experimenting with using neopronouns(...)

>>106560705
That's just Vine and whatever it was called after Twitter bought it, but that wasn't enough to take over Youtube.
It's getting videos you like while without having to follow people and barely doing anything what put it ahead. For content creators is the idea that even with a new account there will be people watching your videos.
In other social networks the people that started years earlier have a huge advantage because the content was more distributed through followers. It's similar to a capitalist system where it's easier to make money if you already have a lot of money. Just compare the kind of faces that you used to see in Youtube and what you see in TikTok. It was always the same old people for Youtube.
TikTok changed how this worked with their recommendation system. We need the TikTok of chatbotting.

>>106560783
I wrote more after 'Janitor,', you might want to read it

>>106560777
Post some examples of good bots on j.ai

if skillgod ever does opus again, he should make it a 1v1 server
if you win your 1v1, opus for a week
if you lose, no key for a week

win for your waifu

>>106560802
slop

>>106560802
What kind of scenarios do you like?

>>106560807
not being able to try again for a week is a bit much but i do like the idea he should do it

>>106560807
How about you get a job and pay for it, tranny

>>106560825
maybe a day is better, opus availability is generally never weeklong anyway

>>106560701
Because running this shit ain't cheap lmaooo

>>106560832
It's cheap of you have a job, tranny

>>106560717
>they pay people to watch the FYP all day and score content
People do this by just using it, getting this information is part of the design of the app. I have noticed that it has two modes. When it needs to hook you it's in the "showing you things you like" mode, this doesn't last that long. When you're already in, it starts showing you more random videos, sometimes videos that only have a couple of views. That feels like the "content scoring" mode. It could show things you like all the time, but it doesn't.
>ever wonder why almost all famous tiktokkers are rich and good looking
One thing I noticed is that it never shows you content of people that are really popular but of topics that you wouldn't like. TikTok never does something like what Youtube does of shoving MrBeast everywhere even if you hate him.
>human judgment is superior to algorithms
Chub should have enough data to be able to tell what people like and don't like.

>>106560510
All I can say is I typically avoid using more than single asterisks because DS goes off the rails with **bold** and ***bold italics*** for emphasis if you let it get away from you, and even then I emphasize sparingly. Sorry anon, I can't think of anything else to suggest.

>>106560878
>Chub should
Backseat commentators like you should kill themselves

i'm not reading either of your tiktok conspiracy theory posts

but i do want to add that it is 100% a fact that tiktok selected the top jailbait on musically when they bought it and used their clips for ads on mobile games, which is how they started spreading between high school kids when i was in high school. i know this because one of the top jailbaits went to a school 10 minutes away and everyone was obsessed with her and the [hot] girls were all seething about it

>>106560746
skillgod
https://archive.md/wVtKU
But just search some faggoty pony image on danbooru and send it to the ponyfaggot like I did, hes gonna let you in

>>106561035
is he still replying?

>>106561066
Yea

>>106559920
I too wish my anime waifu was real.

>>106561035
i thought he liked marnie, he's a ponyfag too?

>>106560826
This but unironically.

>>106561197
I was talking about opus6

>>106561003
This is just cope. China won the market because they made the superior product on a technical level. Everyone else had to copy it.

wumao btw, not sure why I didn't mention that :/

my isekai elf got into stocks and trading and she'll turn into a cryptobro soon... what did I do. I only told her she should get a job to help pay stuff

>>106561271
>China won without copying
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see their LLMs.

>>106561477
>>106561477
>>106561477