Thread 106567775

Let's argue more about hall effect edition

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>Keyboard recommendation template:
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>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptions
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com // Tracker for current and upcoming keycap group buys

>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)

>Learn about Cherry MX switches
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guide
https://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviews
https://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves

>Split and non-standard layout resources
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com

>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)

>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://www.keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com

>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not ideal
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight

Generals are cancer

I wrote brief impressions of the Gateron Lanes switches that just arrived here: >>106566192

(Other thread was on the verge of death so in case anyone missed it)

>>106538279
>>106539885
I've decided that fuck it, I'll get that Keychron v6 Max, and I'll either give Aula away or keep it as a backup. Since that one wasn't barebones (Keychron is), it's a fully operational keyboard once I put the original keys back in.

>>106569150
Now, to be clear, although you can stop it indicating under the numlock/etc., it doesn't have a dedicated indicator LED anywhere so if you disable the lights under the switches you won't be able to know whether caps lock/etc are enabled.

>>106569150
I decided to put my v6 max mod in a short rentry so I can just link it when people say they have a v6 max or are buying one:
https://rentry.org/v6max_mod

Pls consider.

>>106570930
I don't mind that that much. I very, very rarely looked at the indicators on my old keyboard, mostly just watching the output, but for something like passsworfs it might be useful. If it's an option, then maybe I'll keep it for caps lock, but turn it off for numlock (I've got numlock effectively almost always on). Could I also control how bright the indication under the key would be? Maybe on lowest brightness it wouldn't be as glaring.
Is there any QMK tutorial around? You write scripts for it in C if you want to customize it more, right? At least that's what I've seen. I haven't programmed anything in it in years (and I generally almost don't nowadays), but I did in the past, so I might be able to handle it with an initial push.
>>106571339
Thanks. I feel like this might be a bit above my abilities, but I'll consider it in the future. I generally don't care so much about the "quality" of the sound, since I just want to make it quieter. I guess with a foam mod I could just stuff more of it to achieve that goal?

>>106571595
Oh if it's silent then none of that matters lol, probably just best to keep the foams in

>>106571595
Yeah they're in C. I don't even know C particularly but the tweaks you'd make are so basic that you really don't need to.

You'll need to install QMK MSYS, which is the program that does the QMK compiling:
https://msys.qmk.fm/
And you'll need to copy Keychron's 'wireless playground' branch of the QMK repo:
https://github.com/Keychron/qmk_firmware/tree/wireless_playground

From there it's just a matter of making a copy of the V6 max in the keyboards folder, making any edits you want to make to its files, and then compiling it with QMK MSYS and flashing your board with that same program. IIRC. Also the V6 max can I believe be started in bootloader mode by holding esc when you connect the usb cable.

QMK MSYS can be a bit unwieldy at first

Gateron Lanes are so cool... I have to do a build with these, never used anything like them

Not really keyboard but what would be the IBM M equivalent of mouse?
After trying all kind on keyboards I settled on IBM which will be my forever keyboard, I do have mouse that goes with it but no scroll wheel, no side buttons and uses ball ofc so not comfy to use. Currently I have old G400. Want something similar to keyboard in color and a bit more brutalist than regular consumer mouses.

>>106572440
wired g502 x

>>106572177
>look them up
>seeing comparisons to ALPS Oranges
Holy fuck, this requires investigation. Getting a board with a similar feel to Oranges, but having actual keycap options/NKRO/VIA, would probably be my endgame mechanical board.

>>106575015
Haven't ever tried Alps, only know them from videos/etc so can't make comparisons myself. Please make sure to see this though, the inconsistency of the click suppressing design from one switch to another is maybe a major flaw: >>106566192

>>106575333
Well that's a pisser. Definitely gonna pass on these until down the line, where they hopefully tighten shit up.

Where to buy custom anime keycaps for my corsair k68? the space bar is 6.5u

>>106576522
Here's a video of what I mean, since I'm not sure whether my description accurately conveyed the difference:
https://files.catbox.moe/cgwiap.mp4

I press a few Gateron Melodics at the start for context. The arrow keys are all Gateron Lanes.

>>106576761
>6.5u
>custom
Good luck finding anything that's not the most basic "off white" or "light gray"

>>106576864
I can buy the corsair bottom row and then get the rest, they're normal ansi keys

>>106567785
Generals don't really work for mech keyboards because retrofags and bespoke aluminum shopping addicts and 3Dprintards and wheel reinventor-hopefuls are very, very different breeds.
The 'hobby' will never go away but only in everybody-only pandemic conditions will we ever hit critical mass for discussion and commerce.

>>106577448
Enjoy this post even if I don't love its conclusion. We're the Irish monks keeping the hobby alive through the dark ages..

Can a board that doesn't have VIA be modified to accept it? How complicated would it be to do if it is possible? I'm kind of a dumb boomer when it comes to this stuff, I built my own board but it was more just like ordering the barebones base and sticking the switches and caps in. Going much beyond that I'm not sure I would have the technical knowhow. I'm asking because there is a board I really like but it doesn't have VIA it's got some gay proprietary shit that is horrible. I tried it out and couldn't get it to do what I wanted so I had to return it. But I can't stop thinking about how good it was besides that. Am I really stuck never being able to use it if companies don't build their boards around VIA?

>>106578293
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008575293173.html

>>106578359
Wow thanks, the chinglish was a bit difficult to understand but I think it's saying I can just plug the board into it and than VIA will work. That's amazing if it works thank you so much. Just hope it doesn't come loaded with some virus to steal all my dolphin porn.

>>106578293
>Can a board that doesn't have VIA be modified to accept it?
QMK boards can, but the kind of thing you're talking about, no, not without some serious 'hardware hacking' and maybe even replacing the controller chip. Nobody takes this kind of trouble for boards like that. Just get an actually good custom keyboard with QMK firmware.

>>106578461
The only way I can imagine such a thing working is that it is a kind of fake keyboard between your PC and the keyboard, interpreting and changing the signal from the keyboard depending on how you configure it in VIA. I think that sounds like a really bad solution which will guaranteed add latency and might not even work.
>this module does not guarantee that all functions can be realized. There are also some bugs in these software. Please do not shoot if you mind.
If you were stuck with the keyboard I'd say give it a go, but you're not so you shouldn't.

>>106578461
It has a chance it will work, the other option is to build a qmk version yourself, this requires some soldering/programming skills.
https://yaowei.dev/posts/usb-to-usb-converter/
The only real drawback to these converters is 6kro
https://youtube.com/watch?v=TjGYQ4yTiMw

>>106578504
>>106578506
Fuck me, guess I should have known it would be too good to be true. I don't have the board I sent it back because the software for it sucked. But I still love the design, hopefully they will come out with a 2.0 version some day. I still don't understand how we don't just get VIA by default for all boards it's so frustrating.

>>106578527
What board is it that you liked so much?

>>106578600
It's the Akko MU01/02. I really like the dark wood aesthetic and I also liked how they have the wood smoothed down so there's no sharp edges. I tried some other wood boards and they all had the sharp edges or a rough texture. This board also has a really deep sound which I liked.
If it wasn't for not having VIA it would be a perfect board for me. Honestly might just try to make it work without it if I can't find something better in the next year or two. Need to get my monies worth with the board I have now first.

>>106578625
You could probably just swap the pcb for a 65% that fits.

>>106578646
Never done anything like that but I'll keep it in mind.

>>106578293
if you strip it down and search up the microcontroller, there's a tiny chance of having an obscure QMK fork for it
really wish more manufacturers started implementing open firmware earlier to eventually reach it being standard, like with routers

>>106577448
>everybody-only
should say everybody-online
fuck

Finished cherry-picking and this is how it turned out: most of the Gateron Lanes sound a little bit different from a regular mx tactile, but a large minority have totally suppressed the click leaf to be nearly indistinguishable from one. A small minority fail to suppress the click such that you can recognize a click leaf sound, and a few of those are even louder.

I don't know how stable the sound of these will be over time. We'll see.

>>106579419
Using an alps style leaf for tactility sounds neat, but if it's inconsistent switch to switch I know that would annoy the piss outta me.

>>106580308
NTA but I really hope they don't abandon the prospect. ALPS style MX compatible switches have been very few and far between. Again, getting something like ALPS Oranges/Salmons would particularly be amazing.

>>106567775 (OP)
106531472
Keyboard was about 150$ after import tax + shipping
Keycaps 35$ on Ali, cherry extensions 5$, Stabs 5$
All together about 200$. Keyboard would be about 90$ in the US, so you would save about 60$ there if in the US.

>>106581012
>>106531472

>>106580904
The only other ones I've tried are the zeal clickies, and thankfully those are pretty consistent.

>>106581012
But on the other hand, the fun thing about paying through the nose for shipping is that at least you know nobody else has one in your area

>>106581034
>and thankfully those are pretty consistent.
I found some 5 or 10% of them sounded wrong and had to be put aside. But maybe I caused that when I was spring-swapping them.

A keyboard in the form factor of a Logitech G710 or G910 with hotswappable keys, or at least with Cherry switches without the annoying ass LED in them (and instead in the PCB) would be so nice, so that way you could still solder in other switches.
Unfortunately this will forever be a pipe dream, but a guy can dream while all new boards become 41% Fag Effect slop.

>>106579419
Internally how do they differ from the Melodics? Tactile Alps were just Clicky Alps, but with two extra prongs on the click leaf to prevent the leaf from moving, and thus not slapping into the housing and not making the "click" noise.
I doubt they mimicked that if they are seemingly this inconsistent in noise, and it's likely some half-assed dampening on the Melodic's tiny click leaf. Gateron also have utter dogshit, wildly different tolerances on their springs, and it's hilarious how much they charge for their switches considering that.

How do you deal with the security risks of using unencrypted wireless communication of your keyboards?

>>106582531
By not using a wireless board, shrimple as.

>Budget
Something like 100 euro, if it can be cheaper, it would be preffered
>Location (continent at least)
EU, but something in Poland would be nice
>Preferred switch type
Something silent, as i live with my family so not somethick that is particularly loud
>Layout
Not sure about this? Idk, something that i can change out in the future
>Form factor
60% would be perfect but also 65% would be okay, i preffer smaller keyboards
>Backlight
NO
>Previous/current keyboards
I'm currently using a membrane keyboard from like the early 2000s, its a very old keyboard with everything in it, like the music button, the email button and all that stuff if i had to guess it's around 120%? Not sure.

In general i would like some recommendations for keyboards that are not too pricey, as it's my first time buying a mechanical keyboard... I would also like to be in like maybe lavender color, but if that's not available that's fine, i dislike rgb lights. That's it i guess. Looking forward to some recommendations... (* ^ ω ^) Oh, and one last thing it MUST be bluetooth capable as i have some problems with cables on my setup...
(・`ω´・)

I'm looking for blank fully black keycaps, TKL ANSI layout, ideally something that doesn't feel cheap but is not too expensive either. Kinda confused at the current price of keycap sets for something that's just mass produced molded plastic.
Some readily available brand on amazon or aliexpress would be appreciated too.
Also somehow my previous keyboard had smooth keycaps, probably ABS, that I liked more. But as I understand they're considered cheap now so maybe that would be a bit contradictory to ask for that.

>>106572440
microsoft wheel mouse optical

Is there anyone that creates bespoke keyboards? My fat ass sits on the keyboard for 8 hours a day, i'm talking split-ergo, mahogony and brass, leather pad, legit willing to drop $3k on a keyboard

cherry browns are le good

>>106581703
>Gateron also have utter dogshit, wildly different tolerances on their springs,
Have you actually tested this? People said this about Cherry for years because of their *stated* tolerances and when I tested them myself I found they didn't vary even 5% as much as people were claiming they did.

>>106582933
>lavender color
Monokei Standard in "Dream Lilac" with MX Silent Reds mostly fits the bill (has bluetooth), but it's too big—TKL. They're on sale for pennies right now ($40) because Monokei is going out of business but shipping and duties will probably still put it over budget. Still, I have to mention it because of the color:
https://store.monokei.co/collections/keyboards/products/sale-monokei-standard?variant=46740030685409
Shame they went under, people used to recommend this board back when it was full price.

>>106586188
I've heard that mx silent reds can be annoyingly ping-y unless they're spring-swapped. Worth keeping in mind.

>>106583554
Not mahogany & brass but sure. I also usually charge an order of magnitude less than 3k.

>>106583554
https://www.norbauer.co/pages/the-bespoke-service
Sorry, starts at $3500

>>106586188
Thanks for the recommendation, but with the shipping costs it's a bit over budget, and as i said previously, the lavender color is not a requirement. Honestly, looking for just a 60% keyboard that has bluetooth and is under 100 euro + it's not one of those chinese companies... unless it has REALLY good reviews o(〒﹏〒)o

>>106567775 (OP)
Any recs for a good hall effect switch? I kind of hate the stem wobble.
Currently on lekker L60 - are the KOM POMs good? what about lekker v2s?

>>106587293
I'm looking but under 100 it's hard to find anything that isn't aliexpress china specials

>>106588801
>hard to find something non-chinese
>on a chinese site
Anon...

>>106589737
don't reply to my post if you don't know what "china special" means

>>106589746
I know, I just don't give a shit.

>>106589768
Then fuck off

>>106589772
Keep trying to find non cheap chinese goods on the cheap chinese goods website, retard-kun.

>>106589775
Maybe I could do what you do and just not even bother trying to help the europoors who ask us for help

Any recommendations for semi compact keyboards?

>>106589849
What do you mean by semi compact.

>>106582933
I tried, couldn't find anything, sorry.

>>106590615
Oh well, thanks for trying i guess (μ_μ). I found some of these keyboards but idk about them, they might be okay: AJAZZ AK650 - this one on aliexpress, and: AJAZZ 308i - this one on temu, they seem okay for me, but idk anybody who bought them... Does anybody have any experience with this AJAZZ chinese producer of keyboards? ('~`;)

>>106582933
I haven't tried them (maybe someone here did and can verify), but if you're not locked into the color, then you can find some cheap keyboard with hot-swap and then get some silent switches from aliexpress. They probably will have rgb, but you usually can turn that off. budget
Examples:
>Keyboards
https://www.komputronik.pl/product/920366/klawiatura-redragon-k616-fizz-pro-white-grey-red-switch.html
https://www.amazon.pl/EPOMAKER-F65-PRO-Hot-Swappable-Shine-Through/dp/B0F223N2WF?sr=8-1
>Switches
https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007805630498.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2pol
https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/1005007554856075.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2pol
You could also try to squeeze in some lavender keycaps in that price. If yout ook the redragon above and 90pcs (you'd have a lot of spares, but at least for that offer it turns out best price wise, you might find them cheaper elsewhere) Outemu Silent Peach v3 then it comes out to 248.59 PLN, so you'd have 176.33pln left which is plenty for keycaps. If you went for Aula and the same switches, then it's 292.64pln so 132.28pln leftover, still might be enough. For example, there's something like:
https://pl.aliexpress.com/item/1005005271085666.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2pol

>>106591606
For the switches, I've got Jades, haven't used them much yet, but they seem fine so far. My friend got the Peaches and likes them a lot. So, I'd say both are fine, and it depends on whether you want tactile or linear.
For Aula, I got the f108 pro, and that one annoyed me (>>106538279), but the issues I had mostly won't apply to F65 since there is no screen nor numlock, so the only thing I'd point out is that caps lock will light up in white when it's on.

>>106591606
Ooohhh, thank you so much ヽ(・∀・)ﾉ!!! The redragon looks very nice especially the white-pink one. I think i might buy it as i can get it delivered to a shop near me. The switches i might buy, depends on how loud the original ones are, but we'll see. Also, thank you for finding some lavender keycaps ＼(＾▽＾)/. I think i will buy the redragon white-pink then the peach switches, and with the keycaps we'll see. Thank you again SO MUCH (´,,•ω•,,).

Has anyone tried one of these weird azeron keypad things? I think they look interesting and want to try one out but the price seems insane for the build quality though it does not look like anyone else is making something similar.

>>106571660
The new keyboard has arrived, so it's time to swap the keys, and then try to fight the QMK.
I've also found some tutorial for reversing the num_lock indicator, which I think might be a decent solution. It's for Q0, but I think it might work as a base.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Keychron/comments/1it4o4p/how_to_invert_keychron_q0_max_num_lock_indicator/

>>106592192
I've noticed something weird, the foamy bits next to space bar, don't extend all the way to the switch on one side. Is this normal?

>>106592610
The spacebar is loud as fuck when released :(

Needing a keyboard for vtubing

maybe it's time to admit there is a problem with the industry

>>106593367
holy kek

can someone redpill me on what $250-$350 ergonomic mech keyboard i should get in order to fight rsi in my wrists

>>106593440
think i'll just go with the ergodox ez

>>106593367
The $290 wood riser is what gets me

>>106593367
Why though? Ludicrously expensive halo stuff exists in essentially any mature consumer product industry

>>106592192
Yeah that would definitely work

>>106593088
https://sketchfab.com/tags/keyboard

>>106593367
What really gets me is how bland and boring looking it is.
>>106593923
Pure topre autism since the switch is a custom capacitive. It also has some funky scissor switch looking stabilizers that they make.

>>106591576
If I wanted a 60% I'd be desperate to ensure I got one with QMK/VIA (or even better, Vial) because remapping multiple layers is so important and I don't want to deal with any proprietary software shit. That's why I could never be comfortable recommending random Ajazz/Epomaker/etc shit from aliexpress

>>106593923
>>106593978
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3FEv1qw4_w

It's essentially a fine art masked as mechanical engineering where this dude went down an autistic spiral on the space bar. It's not meant as a mass production unit but more an example of perfecting the mechanical engineering of a specific component he's always had an issue with. The screenshot I posted here >>106593367 is admittedly cherry picked of the titanium version which is the most expensive, but it's still over $3k for the base unit

>>106594024
I'm never going to watch a video from the raping blob, give me a tl;dw. What magical improvement did he make to the fucking spacebar? I've had an issue with mine maybe twice in 20 years because something got stuck under it.

>>106593978
>>106594024
I was questioning that why would this imply a problem in the industry. An artisan expensive artisan stuff isn't particularly problematic in other industries. It's like seeing problems in the arms industry because some sheikhs have golden plated AKs

Funny video. The fact that there's some actual practical changes to the function of the products is actually pretty neat. I find it amusing that the way fix the "Biggest Problem" amounted to "have a competent engineer look at it"; who would have thought

>>106583554
Legitimately just go to a farmer's market/craft fair in your local town/city. You will find someone that does wood/metal work, they'll probably charge you 800-100, then you just put the electronics in how you want.

>>106585863
my wife likes them, I like my keys way more clicky

>>106593515
It's a good keyboard but I chose to go with something cheap to figure out what I'm looking for in a split keyboard.

>>106589952
80% to 60%

>>106594638
My wife likes them black

my future wife will like clickies... I will watch her tender miniature woman fingers making her little keyboard go click-clack at 120wpm writing emails for her girl job

>>106594513
its rattling so he fixed it mechanically and not by putting lube on it

>>106594513
>What magical improvement did he make to the fucking spacebar?
He paid an engineering firm many thousands of dollars to design a new stabilizer with pin joints that doesn't rattle or tick even without lube

ENTER

>>106593367
Reads like your average hipster trying to sell a lifestyle to fools with more money than brains

>>106596770
>>106596787
I can't imagine the level of autism you need to be that bothered by the slight noise difference the spacebar makes.

Last time I looked at keyboards, BOX Jades (fairly new at the time) ended up being the sweet spot for high tactility to weight ratio, very tactile without being too heavy. What does the landscape look like now?
Would be especially interested in something similar but not as loud

>>106593440
Before considering an ergo board, you should make sure the rest of your setup is adjusted properly. Chair height, desk height, monitor position, etc. all should be adjusted so that when you're typing your elbows are around 90 degrees, and your wrists floating. You can find several universities with pages on this.

>>106594597
yeah I liked the implication that every engineer thinks work done by other engineers isn't good enough or appropriate for the application. There is always a different opinion on how something should be done