Thread 106572849

Why does Apple hate Europe so much? There's no excuse for this other than petty revenge for the DMA

>>106572849 (OP)
Especially when Europe has more different languages than america

>>106572849 (OP)

EU laws prevent Apple from saving all sound data so they can sell it to advertisers using your personal information.

>>106572855
This, the sole purpose of shit like this is data harvesting. Aside from selling that they'll also train their AI with it. Apple is nefarious.

>>106572855
>>106572865
why would apple sell data?

>>106572875
To make money obviously, which is their reason to exist as a corporate entity.

>>106572875
People who have lots of money really would like to have a lot more, so they do whatever they can to get more money to make more money to make more money to make more money to make more money to make more money.

Isn't this openly defying God after the tower of Babel? Demonic as fuck, if I see someone wearing airpods I'm swinging.

>>106572875
$

>>106572849 (OP)
This is one of those features that sounds amazing at first, but if you think about it for like 10 seconds, you will realize that it's useless and you would never ever use it in real life.

>>106572855
>>106572875
They do it anyway. I am German. Yesterday my son was throwing a tantrum when I picked him up from the kindergarten. My (Android) phone was in my pocket. I have no Google/Gemini assistant active and I never gave permissions to Youtube or Gemini App to record audio. I have never even opened the Youtube app, always use through the browser. Yet when I come home, my youtube account in Brave has as recommendation "Stop talking to them! What to do when your kids are crying.". Creepy fucking shit.

>>106572875
>have practically limitless access to microphones
>hear everything users say when and when not using the device
>get massive, massive amounts of data about people talking about what they want
>sell data of what people want to advertisers who will then advertise stuff to people that they want
>advertiser gets a lot of impulse purchases
>data stored in some US server where nobody knows exactly what is stored and if it complies with the laws in the EU

It happens in Europe too but I'd wager our side of the internet is more pro-user than the US side where you would still automatically consent to all the tracking that the EU made visible by having the cookie banners asking about if the user wants to content to exploitation to privacy for reasons that are not related to what the site offers.

apple is just petty like that, screen mirroring isnt available in the eu either for absolutely no valid reason

>>106572855
this is so funny

>>106573518
This has nothing to do with chat control though. It's matter of GDPR
Chat control is a forever proposal.

>>106573202
How does this show that Apple “[does] it anyway”?

>>106573518

Well, at least the EU lets us know. NSA has been digging through your shit for decades and you are indifferent to it.

doesn't matter, evro itards buy that shit anyway.

>>106573518
germany said no to this so I am safe

>>106572849 (OP)
>There's no excuse for this other than petty revenge for the DMA
GDPR. Video and audio recordings are considered personal data.
And using video recording as used for personal property surveillance, video doorbell systems, etc. as precedent - this would NOT be covered by the GDPR's exclusion for personal and household use - which means every private citizen would become a data controller for anything their phones would be processing for auto-translation, for which - again: precedent - Apple could legally be considered co-controller and equally responsible.

It would open a massive, MASSIVE gaping jaw worth of data breach lawsuits.

>>106574252
Only because it's not intrusive enough for them.

>>106573518
>this is so funny
Fuck, we should have listened to the iChads and Tim Cook. This could have been avoided.
Once again we've been BTFO'd fellow Eurosissies by AmeriCHAD companies.

>>106572849 (OP)
We don't want amerimutt companies collecting our data. Only our beloved government should be allowed to do so.

Actually this is because of all the regulation in the EU. They dug their own grave.

>>106573518
List of the EU;SSR states apposing it?

>>106573202
i read its not actually from listening in on you when in standby its actually much more spooky, they have algorithms that profile you based on your habits and they knew ur a dad with a young kid and well kids usually cry a lot

>>106573202
This is normal and just happened yesterday. I was a Mahjong (HK rules) player back in the day. Didn't have anything to do with Mahjong for years. Last night I talked to friends on Discord and one of them asked me something about Mahjong, so we talked about the topic for about 5 minutes. This Morning I opened YouTube and pic related was the first recommendation.
Even checked my web and app activity settings in my Google account and "speech and audio activities" was still disabled, so they do this, even if you opted out of this bullshit.

>>106572849 (OP)
iTODDLERS BTFO

>>106577034
That would make sense if those things randomly appeared on the recommendations and ads, the problem is that it is instantaneous, so that can only mean they're actively hearing everything around the phone, it's like how else would they target ads at you if not like that? It's their whole business model.

>>106578170
you had the browsing behaviours of a recent dad in distress, things like scrolling too quickly,etc

>>106577023
From memory; Sweden, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands and Finland. I forget the rest.

>>106572849 (OP)
Apple is overpriced and unrepairable trash. The EU should ban Apple.

>>106572849 (OP)
Do iToddlers actually believe the translation is done inside the airpods and not just on their phones?

>>106573202
It's IP based. Your phone connects to your home internet, and chances are you or your wife used laptop or something else to look at something related, and of course that IP is shared by the whole household.

>>106573202
Simple solution:
Stop using YouTube recommendations.
Do your own research on which channels are good, don't let an advertising company decide what you watch.

>>106578216
No? Everyone knows it all works through the connection to the phone.

>>106573518
We're so cooked

>>106572849 (OP)
EU just sees tech as a way to squeeze money. Which is why they have shit going for big businesses and just sue the shit out of the big players.

>>106574252
I thought they said yes

>>106578330
It should work with any headset, or even with just the microphone and speaker, but Apple clearly want to sell their new earbuds.

>>106578402
Pretty standard for most companies really, though I think it's also available on the base AirPods and those Beats By Dre ones.

>>106578347
Apple is not a tech company though. It's a fashion brand. European companies like ASML are actual tech companies.

>>106578347
What you call "tech" is marketing.
Google, Meta, Facebook, etc. all make their money serving ads.

>>106578351
They backed out, which means more people might back out eventually.

>>106578425
Apple is genuinely pretty good at hardware and software, it's used pretty exclusively in my industry for doing up shit like 3D rendering, floorplans and photography.
Hatred of Windows is also getting more widespread and Apple is the only other choice since normies/corporations don't want to fuck around with Linux and barely know what it is.

>>106578459
Not really, Apple is trash. I know because I'm forced to use a Mac because of my job. They don't build anything. Everything is made by ASML and TSMC. I guess you could say that "they're a good customer of TSMC". Apple is all marketing. It's like a fashion brand in that sense.

>>106573159
The mark of the beast is UPC bar codes

>>106578473
Even so, I've found them to be better quality than what most are making now. ThinkPads have been shit since IBM sold it off to Lenovo, HP is utter shit and Dell has really slipped in the last 5 years.

>>106578501
>better quality than what most are making
Maybe if you compare a $6000 Apple laptop to a $300 Windows Laptop.
If you compare products in the same price class the non-Apple alternatives are almost always much higher quality.

>>106578537
Any examples? Genuinely curious since I wouldn't mind some good hardware to put a Linux build on.

>>106578537
Maybe in 2020

>>106578537
>couldn't even name one
kek

>>106572849 (OP)
>no excuse for this
Everyone in europe speaks (bad) English so this isn't necessary.

>In particular, the EU's Artificial Intelligence Act and the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) both impose strict requirements for how speech and translation services are offered. Regulators may want to study how Live Translation works, and how that impacts privacy, consent, data-flows, and user rights. Apple will also want to ensure its system fully complies with these rules before enabling the feature across EU accounts.

lmao suck shit that's what you voted for. OOPS they aren't elected officials kek

cookie popups now this lmao. Eventually 80% of ios shit wont come to EU

>>106578537
For example?
I have always used Windows laptops (with dual boot) and switched to Apple last year (Macbook Pro) – and I have never had a laptop of such high quality (both hardware and software).

>>106581907
All Apple would need to do is set up a server farm inside the EU so the user data never gets sent to the fascist police state of America.

>>106580016
>Everyone in europe speaks (bad) English so this isn't necessary.
Kek. The average non-brit in the EU speaks clearer English than the average amerilard

>>106581967
no it's if you can even collect it anyway, nothing to do with where data is stored

>>106574727
They don't have to record anything. It's live translation

>>106572849 (OP)
Do you really fucking think Apple who is basically a medium player in terms od Datacenters and GPU count can compete with live translations from Google, ChatGPT or Microsoft?

>>106574252
for now.
around germany, never relax

>>106572849 (OP)
The EU has tried to fine them for about two trillion dollars in total over the years. If I were Apple, I'd send junk hardware over there (tiny batteries, 30Hz 240x320 screens, etc) because they're fucking dicks always trying to make the company finance their communist bullshit.

>>106572849 (OP)
Another victory

>>106582341
>just fuck over one of your biggest customer bases
apple already lost over $100bln since the latest iphone launch. they'd lose hundreds of billions more following your dangerously low iq thought bubbles. apple might be run by incompetent retards but people like you are just braindead.

>>106582234
Recording is the process of capturing the audio/video for further processing, even if held transiently and not stored.
So even if they're not storing it anywhere for later use, they're still recording it.

>>106577329
It was discord who sold the data.
The entire purpose of the discuck is to snoop on people’s hobbies.

>>106573159
>Isn't this openly defying God after the tower of Babel
Elaborate?

>>106582341
just don't be anti-consumer
its that simple

>>106572849 (OP)
in case you want the non-schizo answer, it's mostly that Apple sees 2 options right now:
1. Enable feature in the EU, and risk EU forcing them to make it interoperable with Android
2. Disable feature in the EU
this is why continuity (iPhone<>mac status sharing) and iphone mirroring (kinda like out of the box VNC from mac to iPhone) is disabled in the EU for example
ignore schizos like >>106572855 and >>106572865; if one big tech company doesn't sell user data it's Apple (not out of the goodness of their heart but because it's not a revenue stream so they made it a marketing point and are now committed to the bit)

>>106582341
>The EU has tried to fine them for about two trillion dollars in total over the years.
Fictitious number. And also total bullshit. Two trillion is the wawa-number Markie Zuckerburg used when he went to cry foul at Uncie Trump's. In reality, most of that number actually consists of taxes due that the US tech industry never properly paid. Not fines.

>>106578473
>>106578425
Apple still does technical design and engineering for its products though.

>>106583334
>$100bln
A drop in the bucket compared to what they constantly try to shake 'em down for.

>don't use Apple product
>don't give anything about yourself to big tech
>some fat amerilard comes and starts speaking with his fat voice
>if your reply your voice will be automatically sent to apple forever and everything you say will stay in NSA servers until judgement day
yeah no thanks

>>106585838
>Apple still does technical design and engineering for its products though.

>>106585967
I mean, it objectively does. I didn't say it is good at that or that I would personally buy or recommend their products.

>>106572854
it was probably only tested on English (smiplified) and Spanish (Mexico edition) anyway

>>106585919
>a drop in the bucket
try telling that to investors whos money apple is playing with and lost billions of. it's like you delusional sex offenders think apple is a private corporation with no obligation to share holders.

>>106585838
>Apple still does technical design and engineering for its products though.

>>106587271
See >>106585992.

>>106572854
european languages are all copy-pastes of each other. its absolutely unimpressive when I hear a euro claim they can speak 3 languages and they all belong to the same family

>>106587295
I speak english, german and polish, all 3 fluent, how many do you speak?

>>106587338

Niggerish and american are not languages to boast about. so how many do you speak?

>>106572849 (OP)
How's that tied to AirPods anyway?
The dinky microcontroller in there can't run realtime speech recognition/translation/synthesis anyway so it'll run on the phone.
This is probably the reason they're gating the software onto what's essentially a glorified software dongle.
EU consumer protection laws won't allow this bullshit.

>>106582341
>make the company finance their communist bullshit
The reason Apple kneels down and accepts all the demands is because even with those it's mega profitable for them. They would stop selling to EU if it made no sense financially. Europe is financing their bullshit, not the other way around.
>>106587295
I know the US schools are only teaching kids how to get shot but nobody is this dumb without having cousins as parents.