Thread 106583642

How does ue5 do it?

UE is an easy engine, shitty devs who don't optimize their games will most likely pick it

>>106583773
UE4*
which is a PS4 tier engine

>>106583642 (OP)
It's because raytracing is forced on everyone way before there is any hardware that can even run it properly. It's not that any of the gpu's in the list were slow, it's that raytracing cores are bottlenecking the entire gpu. Only using raytraced lighting in games is forced 5 - 8 years too soon.

>>106583642 (OP)
A dog's place is in a kennel, not in front of a computer.

>>106583642 (OP)
Why is the 5080 worse than the 4080?
Did HU fucked up the tests or were they reusing old data mixed with new tests?

Cryptominers are very GPU intensive.

in game clarity is just under the levels of Need for Speed Carbon, impressive performance

>>106583802
the whole block of 57/69 fps is sus. not that it really changes anything.

i hate ue5 so much

i made a meme thread on /v/ pretending to be this youtuber who hates TAA and UE5 and it turns out his channel name is word filtered and you cop an instant ban

>>106583802
nvidia gpus are regressing. it was also like this at 4080 super launch. 4080 was sometimes faster than the super.

>>106583642 (OP)
>7900xtx, 4080, 5080, 9070xt, all get the same performance

nice hw progress

>>106583872
His aura makes the average slob gamer seethe

>>106583872
when was this? i just tested it
>>>/v/720645132

>>106583642 (OP)
Turn the settings down to low, now you can use your $200 6700XT.

i don't understand the ue5 hate, i have been out of the loop
during the ue3-4 days, you could make incredible games, some of them ran like shit but a lot of them were crazy optimized by the developers, but no one seemed to blame the engine.
what makes ue5 so unoptimized or are game developers just retarded or lazy now?

>>106584498
Low

>>106584498
Badass

>>106584473
Be careful. My thread was never created because it contained a banned word, the ban was permanent.

but if you look at the archive you see:
https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/boards/v.meta/text/threat%20interactive/

So I assume I used the right combination of keywords along with the channel name that set off whatever they set up to stop this spam bot.

>>106584523
>>106584531
They look the same to me? What is this supposed to mean

>>106584523
>>106584531
>720x404

>>106584577
>>106584473
https://arch.b4k.dev/_/search/boards/v.meta/text/threat%20interactive/type/op/

wrong link

>>106584531
>it looks like shit
>still heavy af

>>106584592
>>106584620
It looks exactly the same on low and badass but you can run it on a normal priced card.

>>106583642 (OP)
seriously, how did they decide the game was OK to release this way?
>>106584523
this would be fine if i was playing on a 3" screen.

>>106583642 (OP)
Why is Nvidia so fucking dogshit now? I paid 700 dollars more for a 5080 to have less performance than a 9070 xt in an Nvidia sponsored game? What is this garbage? Also, holy fuck do the drivers SUCK, which was the whole reason I even bought this thing in the first place because everyone said how much better their drivers are. I have to spend an hour removing bloat from every update and figuring out specific settings just to stop crashing and stuttering constantly.

>>106585169
shut the fuck up paypig
and buy the next one when it gets released

They don't bother with polygon geometry at all. Retards say that "modern gpus can push millions of polygons" but when every single asset is unoptimized mesh of hundreds of thousands of polygons with shaders it all adds up rather quickly. Add in everything else and you get nu-devs' UE5 garbage what will simply choke any system.

>>106585169
Upgrade to 6080 and get your booster

>>106583801
Why are AI videos so unsettling? It's like my brain knows something isn't right about it and is telling me to stay away.

>>106585182
>>106585192
no, never buying another nvidia GPU ever again

>>106583642 (OP)
Can't you just stop being poore and get a better card?

>>106585837
LOL there is no better card

>>106584610
>>106585111
You're supposed to reconstruct it to 4k using DLSS :^)))

>>106586210
Just wait for the 5090 Super Ti :^)
120 fps guaranteed*

>>106583642 (OP)
>9070XT gets more fps than a 5080
>10% more fps than 5070Ti

How is this possible
I was told AMD cards are shit

>>106583642 (OP)
They have the help of Godd Toward. They WILL achieve the best performance with 16 times the detail.

>>106586552
>native resolution
we are not in 2015

>>106583642 (OP)
Since when is 1080p considered [Badass]?

>>106583642 (OP)
>AMD unboxed
Just use Dlss
>But that doesn't count even though the image quality is superior to native + TAA

>>106583642 (OP)
what does the [Badass] part mean? Probably the editor just likes typing the word badass

>>106585226
>It's like my brain knows something isn't right about it
yeah no shit retard

>>106584516
What if you could just press a button, and it just werks? Why do you *need* baked lighting in a linear, single player game when everything could be dynamic? Why do you *need* traditional LOD meshes when you can just turn on Nanite?

Unreal Engine 5 has a lot of flashy features that are a godsend for devs, but since Forkknife, Epic is focusing all on "muh dynamic world" so even games that could run well or even be pre-calculated just waste a bunch of processing power. A good example is Wukong, that game was made with 3d scanning real objects, looks good for the most part, and I don't think it could have been made without UE5; technically, it's the equivalent of throw millions of triangles at the screen and GI calculations all the time and let UE sort it out. In the past optimization would have been part of the development process, but since it's mostly just "throw in the scans and turn on GI" nowadays, optimization is gone. SEE: Wukong, SH2, MGS3

>>106583872
This guy is a total schizo. Instead of ranting about UE5 and claiming he can fix it he could just move on to Unity, Godot, Stride, etc...
The worst part is he's collecting money that he'll supposedly use to fix the engine, which by his own admission would be a major refactor of everything which he can't possibly raise enough for.

>>106586982
It's probably just the UE5 cinematic preset..

>>106586982
That is what the max setting preset is called, Randy Pitchford is obsessed with the word

>>106583642 (OP)
The best part is that Borlderlands 4 looks pretty similar to the other ones, just mildly higher fidelity.
With their cel shaded approach they really have no excuse to burn cards alive like this, fuck gearbox and fuck UE5.

>""badass"" settings
I swear I just can't handle the amount of cringe in Borderlands, I don't know how anyone over the age of 16 can play them without dying inside.

>>106588354
>you shouldn't complain about the eternal industry standard engine (UE) being shit goy!

He's right, I don't know if he can fix it (very unlikely) but just accepting it being trash forever is a terrible mindset. Billions of dollars of investment ride on UE5 and that engine has close ties with major GPU vendors, devs etc its insane to just let it rot. It needs to be called out for being fucking garbage and with how many devs have "missed the options" its very fucking clear either the defaults are massively wrong or the options need to be made MUCH easier to understand.

>>106588369
>>106588578
that's my point my niggers

>>106584592
With these ant sized pictures all you see is texture LOD and grass disappearing.

>>106586982
the performance is so bad that its ass

>5k burger pesos PC
>100 fps
>...
>?

>>106583836
What does that have to do with gaming/UE5 mate x

>>106583642 (OP)
>Badass settings
Garbage thread
Garbage OP
Garbage benchmark

>>106584516
i hate TAA, I hate blur, i hate dithered textures

i bought a 9600x+9060xt to try newer games on high settings and everything fucking sucks

the first thing i disable in any game is DoF, motion blur, chromatic aberation and vignettes and every single UE5 game basically has these baked in.

im running games supersampled at 4k down to 1080 just to get something halfway resembling what I used to consider native resolution

>>106583642 (OP)
UE5 is actively killing PC gaming. Actually.

>>106590193
And that is a good thing.

>>106590193
>UE5 is actively killing PC gaming. Actually
Good burn it to the fucking ground some of you cunts need to wake the fuck up anyway

>>106583642 (OP)
It's a 2K special
They have denuvo DRM along with symbiote DRM too

>>106583789
its been several generations of this shit and gaytracing is still trash.

>>106583642 (OP)
borderlands always had great performance and run great on potato. i played them on fucking thinkpads with integrated intel gpu

what the fuck happened

>>106586628
this, he does not play at 320x240 with AI hallucination upscaling to 16k

>>106586628
If only we were. Card prices tripled while resolution halved.

>>106583642 (OP)
>Gearbox

Randy is a faggot and TimEpic's garbage stuttering engine sucks even more

>>106583642 (OP)
1080p [Badass]

>>106583642 (OP)
just use x4 frame generation hehe

>>106584577
To catch a perma you must have posted a mod's real name, cp, or evade a previous ban.
There is actually a small chance that the image hash collided with an already existing illegal image.

>presets are always 1000% bullshit
>NOO I NEED TO RUN ON PLACEBO MODE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Fucking retards. There is visual fucking difference the top settings just use more power for no fucking reason.

>>106588354
>Instead of ranting about UE5 and claiming he can fix it he could just move on to Unity, Godot, Stride, etc...
That's because he's a zoomer fuckwit graphicsfag who believes in photorealism and "good graphics". UE5 is THE engine of shitty canned photorealism so that's why he's stuck in that loop.
Remember, there's several cures for being a graphicsfag, they're tried and tested from the early 00's but all of them include death.

>>106583802
>trusting anything hardware unboxed has to say
Update your windows for 40% increase in fps bro.

>>106590193
Gamers get what they deserve for not following Timmy to based consoles when he declared PC gaming dead in 2008.
Now some of you may be saying
>b-b-buh Valve opened up Steam in 2005 to 3rd parties, the orange box was in 2007 and by 2008 SteamAPI let 3rd parties use the full host of the store's features!
and you'd be correct. Tim Sweeney is a fucking moron who was trying to shill his game engine selling on consoles and gears.
It's no wonder few trust EGS, he paid millions for exclusivity for games to flop on his store, hoping people would not only switch from a decent service but switch from a decent service to a service without a shopping card, that was locking their games behind exclusivity ran by a man who called you all filthy pirates and sees you only as a dollar sign.

Gamers should have backed the people making the sweet engines instead of the hats!!!!

I really really don't want UE5 to be the industry favorite going into 2026 and beyond...

>>106583802

AMDUnboxed has the shittiest testing ever

>>106585111
>seriously, how did they decide the game was OK to release this way?
They also decided to lock 2 of the 6 playable classes behind a 130 euro = $152 price tag.
The company is retarded and only cares about money

>>106592320
>going into 2026
Then you better travel back in time and start bludgeoning studios en masse in 2023-2024.
Even if every game that started development in the last 6 months abandoned UE5, 2026 & 2027 will still be full of UE5slop.
You also need a reason for larger studios and shit team to turn away from it too. We are where we are until something yueg happens.

>>106592361
just dont buy new games, pirate them or wait until they are patched and get a discount

>>106592372
That's what I'm doing. But it has Denuvo, and there aren't any Denuvo crackers anymore.
I'm expecting to play it in maybe a year or two.

>>106592366
I fucking hate this. Shit engine, shit devs, shit games, no logically plausible change in sight.

>>106583642 (OP)
>>>/v/

>>106592372
>>106592379
did tiny tina's wonderlands ever get a cracked release?

>>106592387
assuming you mean this one, yeah

>>106592366
Aren't they also known for massively outsourcing their game development to cut costs significantly? This desperation for money seems really irrational

>>106592238
That console slop is all made in UE5 dipshit. And it runs natively at 25-30fps. You want to turn on "60 fps mode"? Congrats, now you get 20 native frames + framegen.
Consoles are half the reason we're in this fucking mess, they're not "Based XD" you poofingered goblin.

>>106586632
More like shitass if you ask me

>>106583642 (OP)
Forcing meme-tracing in the path in a genrie and artstyle doesn't benefit from it whatever so.

BL4 is BL1/BL2 under UE5 engine and performs as such. Stick with BL1/BL2 for your gun and loot itch. BL4 is a pure money grab edition. Gearbox/2K are desperate.

>>106592744
BL3 looks just as good and runs like 2-3x better than BL4. This is embarrassing

>>106583802
It is actually faster by the margins are too small (boost difference) that deviations can cause line-ups you see in the chart. The bottleneck is RT pipeline. AD103/GB103 AD104/GB205 are identical to each other in RT pipeline. Any difference comes down to silicon quality with boosting.

>>106583789
The crime is more egregious here because it is used in a genre and art style that doesn't benefit at all from.

>>106583802
rtx2000 to rtx4000 could do 2FP or 1FP+1INT per cycle per shader
rtx5000 changes it to 2FP or 2INT per cycle which might itself cause weird bottlenecks not present before

>>106586632
Somewhere around 1995

>>106593332
>mfw favorite game of all time gets a remaster announcement
>it's UE4/5/6
>Denuvo

>>106586632
just a slight typo, its bad and ass

>>106593395
i like how the model "decides" that the other monitor should be on too

>>106583789
This. Raytracing is meme tech and UE5 is a meme engine built around it.

>>106588354
>Wokot

>>106585169
Gaming is less than 10% of nvdias business now.

>>106583642 (OP)
Actual answer (which some other replies touched on):
UE5 uses a realtime-focused pipeline, as opposed to UE4 and prior, which used prebaked lighting and LODs. This is far more convenient for devs, but comes with the drawback of being more demanding on hardware. Perhaps worse, it looks like a PS3 game on low settings, yet STILL performs badly on low-end systems. That is because there is no fallback to prebaked assets, they just TURN OFF visual details altogether.

This is why Arkham City can look equal to or better than new games while running fullspeed on a Steam Deck.

>>106583789
Raytracing is planned obsolescence for games. Thankfully older games are better and nothing stops you from playing them.

>>106585226
uncanny valley, even if you can't tell what it is the brains sees that something is fake

>>106594510
>nothing stops you
For now. Until they stop supporting other things too like for example 64bit PhisX, or Havok or FMOD and Wwise.
The way things are going right now they might as well refuse to render games unprotected with some drm.

>>106594717
True, you may be limited to playing only 200,000 videogames in the future.

The world of game development would be so much better if ray tracing and dlss never existed

>>106595298 faggots unironically believe it is the best thing that ever happen in graphics tho

>>106592663
>This desperation for money seems really irrational
It's not rational. The language that we use to talk about the economy is based around this very language, we deem things sustainable and unsustainable. Practices which would do good, increase the quality of a group or product are deemed radical, unserious, while established practices of profitability are safe, reasoned, sensible, pragmatic.
Either we start policing the language in which we talk about finance and remembering companies that the social contract within capitalism is to pour their profits back into society & infrastructure or you get the slop you get now until it collapses so that a few can be enriched.

>>106592694
>man who can not detect satire posts a response
A wise man knows when not to speak.

>>106592744
The only credit I've given to memetracing over the years is the ability to self shadow for gear on character models etc. That is cool, it's probably the coolest thing it has going for it. However, whether you'll notice it in the action at 60-120 frames per second when your focus is on the centre of the screen and the flanks...eh. Cool for standing still, useless for action where your focus is going to be on other things.
Even the casual observer not playing the game is hardly going to notice self shadowing on the firearm without freeze framing.

I don't want to say raytracing has no place in games but it's completely at odds with certain genres and gameplay applications. Even some dynamic system that only applied when a character was out of action is hard to justify as the increase in compute would be wasted on what are idle frame situations.

>>106594848
Yeah gameboy color emulation will likely always be possible.

>>106595682
Apps that use the Web Platform will always be accessible (even offline in many cases). Unless computing hardware become ultra-locked, which is a non-zero possibility.

>>106583642 (OP)
>How does ue5 do it?
Well, you start by taking a few very smart people and putting them together in a room to develop a new game engine. Then while you're doing so, you slowly pump out the oxygen until all of them suffer varying degrees of brain damage from oxygen deprevation. At some point, one of them will hit the sweet spot of going full retard and manage to produce the kindling of UE5.

>>106594717
Elaborate on your picture

>>106583642 (OP)
>>106592313
>3440x1440 badass settings & dlss quality, rtx5090 + 9800x3d
>tutorial 110-120fps
>thought performance was no big deal
>finally completed tutorial and entered the open world
>62fps and rtx5090 using 340W now instead of the 460W previously used in tutorial stage
literally WTF is this game doing?? lmao
i'm just gonna refund it and get it once its fixed up and on sale

>>106595310
it was good back when devs didnt use dlss as a crutch to hit 30fps

>>106592897
This isn't true. Firstly RTX20 could not do '2FP or 1FP+1INT'. Turing introduced 1:1 partition for the 4x clusters in an SM. 16 INT-only + 16 FP-only cores per cluster. RTX50 have gone back to how Pascal used to do it. Pascal SMs used the same core mix, where each cluster was capable of either FP or INT, but not both.

>>106583642 (OP)
I got the game for free from Nvidia and even I feel like I got scammed