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Previous thread: >>106572060

I have 160gb free. I have an ext4 or btrfs partition with linux (frankly i do not remember), and i want to add the 160gb to my linux partition.
how do it?

is there something like Obtanium for linux? a package manager that manages packages from github and other git platforms?

What are some cool CLI art programs I can use to impress normies that visit me

>>106587296
cmatrix

>>106587326
very pretty, thanks. What about something that shows rain, thunderstorms, etc.?

>>106587296
btop++
https://github.com/rastapasta/mapscii
figlet
cowsay
pipes.sh
https://github.com/Duroktar/YuleLog

>>106587365
do
$ curl wttr.in

>>106587296
This isn't specifically cli program but its made to look like it: https://github.com/GitSquared/edex-ui or if you prefer a c++ one: https://github.com/seenaburns/dex-ui

Thoughts on Homebrew? Yes it's originally a Mac thing but these days they have packages for Linux, both x64 and Arm64

I wanted to install the latest version of PHP so I just got it from Homebrew. Easy. The version of PHP in my distro's repos is not the most recent, and other methods of installing PHP often involve compiling it yourself. Homebrew has binaries for things like this so I don't have to compile anything.

>>106587037 (OP)
What would anon recommend to somebody who just wants to piece his own Linux OS together from scratch? Not talking about programming or building, but rather something super minimalistic (and hopefully fast) that's like the kernel, a package manager and a shell and then I get to download and tweak everything else I may need?

Tech guy, white, straight, not afraid of learning and plenty of time in my hands.

>>106587768
KISS Linux

>>106587853
Looking excellent. Thanks.

I have an issue with "robotic" crackling audio on Linux Mint. I have tried switching to PipeWire, removing speech-dispatcher, adding volume control but nothing worked. I'm losing hope. Would switching to a different distro help? Am I missing something?

>>106587912
it seems it has been abandoned, but there is a community repo.
https://codeberg.org/kiss-community/community/

>>106587953
Dang it.

>>106587928
does it happen when doing something specific?

>>106587928
>Mint
Try a distro that's less out of date, like Debian stable.

>>106588010
I'm not seeing much of a pattern. The only thing I've noticed that whenever I change audio settings or something the issue goes away for a minute or two.

>Welcome to gitlab.freedesktop.org
>If you see this page, our gitlab instance is currently under DDoS attack.
>We have enabled authenticated navigation only until further notice.
LET ME IN.

>>106586355
>>106586185
If they're on Wayland then they still haven't implemented the gamma control yet. This is what they get for resisting Wayland for years when both Intel and AMD had good support.

It used to be much worse, completely unusable even.

>>106588066
I don't care about the web UI but at least make git clone/pull work.

>>106587123
Boot a live CD and run Gparted.

>>106587606
Bump for interest. Since Debian is the best option that works with my current hardware, I've been wondering what to use for a long time; i've been this tool to do the same task:
https://mise.jdx.dev/dev-tools/
Mostly geared towards development tools, but also supports getting software from some generic registries like https://github.com/aquaproj/aqua-registry or https://github.com/houseabsolute/ubi, or even asdf plugins. Despiste all of that, Homebrew is more versatile, as it can compile things on the fly it has more software on it, but i don't know how draconian Homebrew actually is on disk usage/setup rot.

>>106588066
Are they getting DDoS'd by AI scrapers?

What is the best non-immutable distro for women?
Rules:
>No Canonical snapcrap
>No Mint X11 tearing
>Rollbacks in case the woman fucks something up
>Pretty app store preinstalled (sorry CachyOS, ship pamac next time)
>Woman won't ask why YouTube videos don't work

Guys how can I set one user to always log into a specific session (kodi) ?

I'm using lightdm.
I've set the parameter XSession=kodi in /var/lib/AccountsService/users/myuser.

The global parameter user-session from ligthdm.conf is applied no matter what. I want to change the session for one particular user, not everyone.

I am a windows refugee who after just two days of trying mint I am now running cachy flawlessly
I can't even remember how to run a script
but now I have top teir gaming performance
cachy use is increasing geometrically. your community is about to be overrun
you have been warned
we are coming

>>106588171
it probably does if you're logged in but i never made an account and making new accounts is disabled right now
>>106588787
i wouldnt know, i just wanted to check on some code and found that

>>106587606
For a package manager it's quite full of binaries that're up to date. In the Mac space outside of normies Homebrew is something you should always have installed, and it would work pretty well within a Debian environment if you want more up to date packages without using Flatpak.
Distros like Bazzite and Aurora are including Homebrew by default now.

I'm trying to be able to develop and run a basic react native app. Doctor says my SDK version is bad, but I literally just installed all these android sdk packages. How could I be any newer?

>>106587037 (OP)
Ubuntu is code monkey safe, but I absolutely hate it at this point. It even manages to be as unstable as the os of their sponsors (Windows).

>>106587296
Cow moo

>>106587606
Doesn't make sense on linux desu.

how much improvement do i get from cachy kernel?

>>106590468
Not enough to bother. Just go and check the benchmarks on real usage, not just stress tests looking for specific instructions.

>>106590144
download from the source? the ANDROID_HOME env var is there, use it

>>106587928
Use a real distro, linux mint is a meme distro to bait windows newgens

>>106589894
>it probably does if you're logged in but i never made an account and making new accounts is disabled right now
I think I do actually have an account on there but distro tooling (PKGBUILDS, Gentoo ebuilds, etc) doesn't usually hook into that.

Maybe there's a gitconfig to make it auth by default for any gitlab.freedesktop.org URL even if you don't explictly specify user@password: in the http clone URL?

>>106587278
its trivial to write a wrapper script for git
>>106588942
just dont give that bitch password
or set up sudoers or whatever (that GUI password thing, i forgot the name i dont use that bloat) so that it only allows installation of programs
>>106589530
'tis ok kettle is afraid of white text on black screen

>>106588942
>>Pretty app store preinstalled (sorry CachyOS, ship pamac next time)
Every distro fails at this, even those that ship something like GNOME Software or KDE Discover.

You think you're an AppStore®™ but you're really not, you're a package manager disguised as an AppStore®™.
>Where is my Editor's Choice or random/personalised recommendations?

You get "New" and "Most Popular", that's it. There's no editorialism at all.

>>106591010
Also, KDE Discover to their credit does try to mask this. There is an Editor's Choice but it's just KDE Software! I don't think anyone actually edits this. Also, you obviously don't get any review or text from an actual editor, it just takes you to the app listing.
Nice try though.

>>106591010
>There's no editorialism at all.
And that's a good thing.

>>106591056
Nobody is going to look through every little category to try and find something worthwhile to download.

You need some reviews written by actual editors or at least add some AI recommendations "because you installed X we think you might also like Y"

>having kernel crashes when playing video since one of the last updates in arch
>try switching to KDE wayland because fuck it
>before testing for the crashes, try to play a game in wine
>mouse cursor keeps slipping out of the window and focus switching to other windows
>switch game to fullscreen, not fullscreen window, actually fullscreen
>mouse cursor still fucking slips out to the secondary screen
I don't know if wayland solves the crashing issue or not but I don't even fucking care anymore, going back to Xorg right now. 3/4 into 2025 and this shit STILL can't capture a mouse properly. What the fuck.

>>106591071
How about you download what you know you want/need instead of being a slave to the machine? If the "App Store" tells you to jump because you liked a jumping game, do you ask how high? Get the fuck out.

>>106591112
Maybe some people actually like jumping? I can understand you perhaps being hesitant about AI recommendations (that's the minimum that could probably be added relatively easily. At the moment you don't get any related apps visible in the "store" at all) but why are you so against human curation?

If Flathub hired an actual editor to write reviews about their apps and perhaps include sections like "Best in August" or "Check out these neat photography apps" how is that being a slave to the machine exactly? Nobody is forcing you to read it or download anything listed on it.

>>106591102
>mouse cursor keeps slipping out of the window
yeah, many shitty games like that

>>106591133
>Nobody is forcing you to read it or download anything listed on it.
it's still damn advertisment which I don't want in my OS.

>>106591010
>Every distro fails at this, even those that ship something like GNOME Software or KDE Discover
Nah, GNOME Software, Discover, and Pamac are pretty.

>>106591167
Then use the command line to update everything like the grumpy git you are.

You're not a proper "AppStore" if you don't have recommendations, reviews by real editors (not retards that write garbage in the reviews section and call it a review) or related apps.

>>106591175
They are indeed great software but they're not an "App Store".

>>106591176
>You're not a proper "AppStore" if you don't have recommendations,
And who gives a fuck about being a "proper AppStore"? Apparently you're the only one here.

>>106591191
The person I was replying to, follow the chain. If you want a real "App Store" then you're not going to find it on Linux.

Otherwise just sit them in front of Pacmac or Synaptic or whatever and call it a day.

>>106591176
>They are indeed great software but they're not an "App Store".
Sure they are.
>>106591195
>The person I was replying to
That would be me! And in my initial post I ruled out CachyOS for not shipping Pamac, so software like Pamac are certainly sufficient.

>>106591208
A graphical package manager is not an App Store. But yes, they're sufficient for doing their job of system package management and that's about it.

If you consider things like Pamac as "good enough" then I'd just install it yourself for them.

>>106588942
Manjaro is the only choice here
>No snaps
>Lots of DE choices with Wayland
>Rollbacks integrated into pamac
>pamac is pretty
>Comes with codecs
The only issue (for women) is that it doesn't come with zram. No, she may not know what zram is, but she's gonna feel its absence if her ram starts filling out.

>>106591214
>A graphical package manager is not an App Store
I agree that a graphical package manager is not necessarily an App Store. However, App Stores are a type of graphical package manager, and Discover/GNOME Software/Pamac certainly qualify. Stuff like Synaptic/Octopi/dnfdragora/Nobara Package Manager don't qualify for not being graphical enough.

>>106591253
A store has an ecosystem. There is no store ecosystem on Linux. It's all just magic and AppStream metadata.

Even KDE themselves doesn't even attempt to describe Discover as a store, they say it's an "Application installer".

>>106591260
>A store has an ecosystem
I've never bought an Apple product; I don't know what that word means in a technology context.

>>106591264
Ask yourself why new Windows users that switch to Linux immediately try to install Windows apps in Wine and hurt themselves over and over again in the process?
It's because there's no ecosystem. If you know what you're looking for then graphical installers are great, you just type in Spotify or Firefox or Discord, etc, and install it.
They don't work when the installer can't find what you want but there's a similar alternative available.

We don't do a good enough job at promoting Linux apps. There's probably hundreds of apps available on Flathub, some of them probably excellent but you won't have heard of many of them.

>>106591293
>Spotify or Firefox or Discord,
great examples you got there. Firefox should just come with most distros, and Spotify and Discord don't really have an alternative.

>>106591293
Discover will search from Flathub though?

>>106591293
>Firefox
What backwards distro doesn't come with Firefox preinstalled?

>>106591320
Arch

>>106591314
And its search results are very basic because all Discover can show you is limited by AppStream metadata.

>>106591327
How is that different from searching in the Windows Store or Google Play?

>>106591293
after the user managed to get through the choice of which of the dozens of distros he should install without the help of a store he should be experienced enough to also manage the choice of his applications to use.

>>106591340
Try it and find out. You get related apps and recommendations in these stores. Often if you search for an iOS app on Google Play, for example, you'll find a similar recommended alternative.

>>106591355
AppStream allows for tags lol

>>106591418
Tags nobody uses. Do you think the Play Store or AppStore or Windows Store, etc, works search solely off of tags? They have a server side backend tuned for this. Search for their stores is probably someone's full-time job.

You will never get a comparable experience on Linux.

debian doesn't have ifconfig?

>>106591577
Been deprecated for years. Use iproute2

What do you do when you can add files to a usb, but you can't take them off? I know for a fact its not a permissions error. And for some reason text files can be moved off just fine. Only error message is "the filename file cannot be read" or something to that effect but just as vague. And yes google does not help.

is there a default shortcut to open terminal in debian? thought it was alt + ctrl + t?

>>106591581
that thing goes against KISS principles.

>>106591593
Networking isn't simple though, and it does split up different functions into different tools:
$ qlist iproute2 | grep -F bin/
/bin/ss
/bin/ip
/sbin/ifstat-iproute2
/sbin/vdpa
/sbin/dcb
/sbin/rdma
/sbin/devlink
/sbin/tipc
/sbin/genl
/sbin/ctstat
/sbin/rtstat
/sbin/lnstat
/sbin/rtacct
/sbin/nstat
/sbin/bridge
/sbin/tc
/sbin/routel
/sbin/rtmon


The ip tool, for example does everything ifconfig does and more and it has a much simpler interface. It's also easier to parse programmatically as it has JSON output.

>>106591616
>it has a much simpler interface

"ip addr, ip link" instead of just "ifconfig"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iproute2

>>106591623
Address management is distinct from managing the link, they're two different functions.

>>106591633
>>106591623
Also, ip addr shows everything that ip link does anyway? You're just repeating the link status twice if you do:
ip addr; ip link

this is why linux desktop failed.
"it has json output!!"
wtf i would care? these tools should be made for the users first, not for other tools. i don't want to read json.

>>106591642
Which is why it defaults to plain text output like any good tool. You might not build and maintain other tools but some people do.

>>106591645
>>106591642
Also, it has colour too. Check out:
ip -c addr

How's that for a user first tool?

>>106591616
>It's also easier to parse programmatically as it has JSON output.
For retards that can't handle AF_NETLINK maybe.

>>106591672
Sometimes you don't want to handle all of that when iproute2 already does it for you. Maybe if you want things like notifications about link status then you might write an application that uses Netlink for that.

It's a single line of code to shell out to iproute2 to add an address or route, etc.

>>106591102
speaking of,
Vivaldi gets schizophrenic for me when tiling windows in Waylel that I have to reload my output settings every move
autoscroll still doesn't work too

>>106588441
I've used Mise for installing Ruby but I think it had to compile Ruby if I remember right. If I installed Ruby from Homebrew then I wouldn't have needed to compile it.

>>106589939
>it would work pretty well within a Debian environment if you want more up to date packages without using Flatpak.
True. You can use both though of course. Homebrew for CLI stuff and Flatpak for GUI stuff.

>>106590153
>Doesn't make sense on linux desu.
Why? I think it makes sense if you want the latest version of something, more recent than what your distro provides.

has anyone here installed arch liike this?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Install_Arch_Linux_from_existing_Linux#Creating_a_chroot
did you find any issues?

>>106591751
>did you find any issues?
Yea it installed arch on my system.

>>106591751
This is literally no different to Pacstrap only Pacstrap uses the Pacman in the live .iso to install the base packages but here we're downloading and unpacking a root filesystem tarball because we don't have pacman available to us on our existing Linux distro.

It should work fine as long as you know what you're doing and how to install Arch without any hand holding.

>>106587037 (OP)
Does anyone know how to give X permission to access a device/driver?
When i startx, the log states that the permission to access /dev/fb0 is denied.

>>106591858
1. Use (e)logind
2. You are probably missing a driver for Xorg. Nothing modern should be attempting to use fbdev

>>106591866
i forgot to mention im using arch32, since this install is on a very old machine. I think it's supposed to use fbdev

>>106591882
What hardware is it? Even some very old machine should probably be using the Intel driver, etc.

>>106591887
It's an intel aspire1.
I already installed some intel drivers that are listed on the wiki. It's porbably a elogind thing, but i dont understand how to install it on arch.
Is it part of the systemd package?

>>106591912
Forgot to specify, aspire1 zg5 series

do i have to use networkmanager if i install debian?

>>106591587
you check filesystem/cable(if any)/try using just cp and see if it says anything
>>106591751
yes
no
i used specifically that with arch root to work around outdated ubuntu install at work so i could launch remote desktop app
>>106591858
>access /dev/fb0 is denied
what

i mean if you get video output it doesnt matter
its a framebuffer driver that is used as fallback where system literally just directly writes to GPU memory and everything is done on CPU
but if you seeing a picture that means other driver is being used
>>106591930
you can use whatever you want as long as it works ;)

I'm trying to make LibreOffice look more like MS Office 2007, but unfortunately there's a big grey bar for the ruler. Anyone know how I can change its colour, or more preferably make it transparent?

>>106591912
It's part of Systemd, yes. You probably want xf86-video-intel installed if you don't have it and maybe also mesa-amber depending on if the hardware is supported by Crocus or not. I don't think even on hardware this old it should be trying to use fbdev

i started reading debian docs to install it and, believe me or not, i ended on that page.

https://geekfeminism.fandom.com/wiki/Male_Programmer_Privilege_Checklist

lmao.

>>106591975
Looks better with SAL_USE_VCLPLUGIN=gtk3, but now the framerate is like 30

>>106591998
>Not having to think about what gender you are.
...

>>106591998
dont spam it with retarded shit
im sick and have nothing to do so i want to try and deboonk it in the talk and see what happens

fuck i need to make an account for this
aaaah pain
>>106592016
GUI was a mistake

I have a question anons, would appreciate a tech savvy anon here to take his time and answer.

So, Steam.

I know its proprietary, so thats where my concern is here, do we have any case or example of Steam datamining your images/docs/txt files?

I really dont want it doing that as I have very sensitive info and images on my drives, now, one solution that Ive know is Flatpak Steam, but that comes with other problems like first of all, not being officially supported, the documentation being shit, I couldnt even find what Mesa it is using.

>But Flatpak Steam has Flatseal so you could technically remove a folder from Steam access.
Yes I am aware, but Flatseal itself is a big problem, a flatpak app that has access to all files in your PC..., also I dont really like Flatpaks to be honest.

So, anyone here using Steam with sensitive info or even stuff like drawn loli images or naked pictures of themselves in their Linux PC; Are you using the native version of Steam? did you modify it somehow with some type of container?

Thanks, too much text by the way.

>>106591975
Figured out how to change it: I gotta change the "Application background" colour

>>106592043
you should probably go the other direcion
have a separate user for degen shit and disallow other users to its files

or just you know
fix your porn addiction

>>106591998
>If you're sexually attracted to women, knowing that you will almost certainly be able to join in appreciation of the sex object du jour.
But also don't objectify me because I'm a woman:
>Never being described as "hot" first and a competent professional second.
https://geekfeminism.fandom.com/wiki/Objectification

Double standards much?

>>106592059
>fix your porn addiction
Nothing too crazy, I suppose, but whats the point of using Linux if my privacy of my files will still be shit by apps like Steam right?

>then dont use Steam LMAO
True, but I am fucking addicted, so I cant quit.

I suppose another way would be having a partition/drive encrypted that I only open when Steam is closed right? Something like KDE Vaults for example.

>>106592102
>Nothing too crazy, I suppose, but whats the point of using Linux if my privacy of my files will still be shit by apps like Steam right?
linux is a kernel

also redditors lied to you
linux defaults are pretty shit when it comes to security and privacy
currently you are protected mostly by obscurity
good news is if you decide to harden it you can REALLY harden it
case and point:
Snowdens favorite memes: qubes OS and tails OS

>>then dont use Steam LMAO
>True, but I am fucking addicted, so I cant quit.

>I suppose another way would be having a partition/drive encrypted that I only open when >Steam is closed right? Something like KDE >Vaults for example.
what
huh
did you not read carefully?

if you dont understand this whole multiuser and rights thing i can explain it tho

>>106592140
>linux defaults are pretty shit when it comes to security and privacy
I see, I was using Arch (even Artix for like a day, was fun), with a quick look, I found out that SELinux and AppArmor exists, which, to be completely hoenst would be a pain in the ass to install, so would you recommend to use a Distro using those as default?

>if you dont understand this whole multiuser and rights thing i can explain it tho
I assume multiple users have different /home directories? that certainly could be a solution, though a bit of a pain to switch between users and having files in different places hmm.

>>106592140
>>106592167
Or a simple firewall and not using the AUR would suffice for the security part you say?

>>106591798
my plan is to install arch from a live iso with that
so should work

Can I stop systemd-timedated from polluting the system log with this crap?

Sep 15 09:27:58 systemd[1]: systemd-timedated.service: Deactivated successfully.
Sep 15 09:28:43 systemd[1]: Starting Time & Date Service...
Sep 15 09:28:43 systemd[1]: Started Time & Date Service.
Sep 15 09:29:13 systemd[1]: systemd-timedated.service: Deactivated successfully.
Sep 15 09:29:19 systemd[1]: Starting Time & Date Service...
Sep 15 09:29:19 systemd[1]: Started Time & Date Service.
Sep 15 09:29:49 systemd[1]: systemd-timedated.service: Deactivated successfully.
Sep 15 10:00:35 systemd[1]: Starting Time & Date Service...
Sep 15 10:00:35 systemd[1]: Started Time & Date Service.
Sep 15 10:01:05 systemd[1]: systemd-timedated.service: Deactivated successfully.


Arch btw.

>>106591953
Excuse me sir. I said I have trouble taking files from it, not putting ones on it.

>>106592259
>Can I stop systemd-timedated from polluting the system log with this crap?
Artix, dinit.

>>106592183
you should always do both of these things yes
btw AUR can be replaced with github, the only non trivial part of that would be learning manual resolution of dependencies (which is literally just: look at the error message, install thing that is missing)
>>106592167
>I see, I was using Arch (even Artix for like a day, was fun), with a quick look, I found out that SELinux and AppArmor exists, which, to be completely hoenst would be a pain in the ass to install, so would you recommend to use a Distro using those as default?
sure, security subsystems wont hurt

personally i prefer setting every single thing up myself since im often using random low end hardware and also defaults always piss me off
>I assume multiple users have different /home directories? that certainly could be a solution, though a bit of a pain to switch between users and having files in different places hmm.
yea so different users are different users
they have different password entry's and groups assigned to them, thats the main difference
home directories are optional

so there are two ways i see doing this, both require tinkering but thats the name of the game, there is no big red "do everything right button"

"the normoid" option:

>make a user
>add it to the necessary groups to open your shit (or you can just copypaste your default users groups, except maybe :wheel? i dont think you need this one)
>make a folder
>put your shit in folder
>recursively change rights to folder contents to your new user
>create a bunch of shortcuts that launch your apps as that new user
>add necessary commands to the sudoers (you are using sudo, right?) file so that it doesnt ask for password
now you can open shit as your new user and nothing that you launched as your "default" user can read your files

>>106587606
I used this at my previous workplace because many development packages were years out of date on Ubuntu (yes, even the Snap versions), and they still are last time I checked a few weeks ago.
Nowadays I'd just use Distrobox instead.

>>106592043
>will Steam see my illegal photos
You shouldn't use your gaming PC for private stuff. Just make a Tails live USB or something and keep your data on an external drive.

>>106592167

"the chad CLI enjoyer" option:

>make a user
>add it to the necessary groups to open your shit (or you can just copypaste your default users groups, except maybe :wheel? i dont think you need this one)
>make a folder
>put your shit in folder
>recursively change rights to folder contents to your new user
>create a script that automatically launches and opens everything as you desire
>put these scripts in $PATH
>add entrys to sudoers so that you dont have to enter password every time

now you can open a terminal and just type a single command and nothing that you launched as your "default" user can read your files

now something that i dont know and have never tried before is what happens if you launch a file manager as other user and click on shit
im not sure what user it will lauch things as
if it launches it as the user it was launched with half of the steps above arent needed
ill experiment and let you know i guess
>>106592261
yes
try other port, test your cable(if any involved), check your filesystem, try using cp to copy files FROM it

>>106592298
>I used this at my previous workplace because many development packages were years out of date on Ubuntu (yes, even the Snap versions), and they still are last time I checked a few weeks ago.
>Nowadays I'd just use Distrobox instead.
Which distro would you run with Distrobox? Arch or something?

As for snaps, some dev stuff seems to be available as up to date snaps (Ruby, Node.js, Go) but when I've tried them I've had problems because of the way snaps are packaged I guess.

>>106592312
>>106592298
>>106592291
Wouldnt doing $ firejail program_name to Steam be infinitely better in this case?

>>106592367
>Wouldnt doing
>$ firejail program_name
>to Steam be infinitely better in this case?
It even has official support for it
https://github.com/netblue30/firejail/wiki/Frequently-Asked-Questions#can-you-sandbox-steam-games-and-skype

>>106592367
yes actually
im testing my solution right now and it doesnt quite work out of the box
man im so used to servers and CLI apps that i forgot how annoying and bullshit GUI trash is

>>106592360
>As for snaps, some dev stuff seems to be available as up to date snaps (Ruby, Node.js, Go)
Yeah, for me it was k9s that was severely outdated along with a few other things. Homebrew saved my ass.
>Node.js
Node.js isn't something I'd install from a distro repository, ever. Unless we're strictly talking about deployed server images, and even then I probably wouldn't do it in some cases. On dev machines you'd just use nvm, especially if you're working on multiple projects with different node.js versions. But I've since switched away from node/npm to bun.js (makes no sense to source it from distro maintainers, if they even provide it at all).
>Which distro would you run with Distrobox?
Whichever one has access to the package versions I need. I just find containerization extremely handy as a way to isolate dev work between projects, especially if different build tools or dependency versions are required. It's pretty much the same as using Docker for server images instead of polluting your machine with server packages.

Are fork distros more bloated than their father distros?

Sep 15 11:41:25 drkonqi-coredump-processor[23251]: "/usr/lib/firefox/firefox" 20912 "/var/lib/systemd/coredump/core.Isolated\\x20Web\\x20Co.8709.9c4a14604d9143c2b3052507cf8f70c5.20912.1757932884000000.zst"
Sep 15 11:41:25 kernel: BUG: Bad rss-counter state mm:00000000ca4cbbe3 type:MM_ANONPAGES val:185
Sep 15 11:41:25 kernel: BUG: non-zero pgtables_bytes on freeing mm: 4096
Sep 15 11:41:25 systemd[1]: drkonqi-coredump-processor@1-23249-0.service: Deactivated successfully.

Memory management race condition in 6.12.47 longterm, lovely.

>>106592367
>>106592392
>>106592312
>>106592183
alright my solution also works somehow
>make a user
>add it to the necessary groups to open your shit (or you can just copypaste your default users groups, except maybe :wheel? i dont think you need this one)
>make a folder in /home (or make a user with homefolder beforehand)
>put your shit in folder
>recursively change rights to folder contents to your new user and make them chmod 600 (or 700 if binaries)
>xhost +si:localuser:your_user (this one for x11, probably different in wayland)
>sudo -u your_file_manager

so this works
you click shit it opens shit as a new user properly
this basically read protects your shit and allows you somewhat practically access it

>>106592551
depends
usually yes
artix is an exception

>>106592551
That's usually the case. They normally add to it, not take away from it. There are some exceptions to that rule though such as distros that take away Systemd and replace it with something arguably more minimal (depending on who you ask) but the base system and tooling is otherwise the same.

anyone know what mesa version does the flatpak steam have? I need the fsr4 and HDR update from the newest ones

>>106592657
I don't know but if you view the system information in Steam then it will tell you

>>106587606
Not really much point in using homebrew on linux when you have a bunch of other better package managers or solutions like containerization if you need a newer version of something on your system

>>106590688
Calm down anti-mint schizo you already embarrassed yourself last thread with how tech illiterate you are.

>>106592657
It should be listed in your flatpak installed packages list i think

>>106588972
I think you need to set a ~/.dmrc file in the user's home directory
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LXDM#Per_user
Although that page is about LXDM, the ~/.dmrc part should still apply to LightDM as well
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/LightDM#Default_session
Or just do a search for how to configure ~/.dmrc

>>106592312
Ah I see cp the terminal command. I thought you were referring to child pornography in some sort of dark joke. Humorous misunderstanding. Truth be told I actually did try that command among others, even with root. And I have tried four ports on my computer. As for check your filesystem what do you mean by that?

>>106592547
Fair. Yes I use nvm for Node.

>>106592936
>containerization
That only helps if your container has a distro with very recent packages right? Or I guess you can use a Docker container that comes with the latest version of whatever software you're after. Docker is bloat though. I use it when I have to but otherwise I don't use it.

hey, Zen Browser is alright
are all Firefox-base shit that light?

>>106593610
I like Firedragon, the default browser on Garuda.

ok does cachyOS really suck or what? am better off just scrapping this and installing endeavour? ots not working with my xinput cotrollers

God is something fucked with Fedora and how it connects to the internet or something? Every other device I own works flawlessly but on Fedora I keep getting odd behavior, like I load a website but images don't, or the connection drops for a few seconds, or when I try to post something but I get the "connection failed" warning or whatever despite me doing things that actively require internet like a game working normally.
I'm on wired, my pc doesnt even have a wifi module.

>>106593915
Kernel version, browser?

I get the same after upgrading to 6.17. Everything seems to be impacted, even ping, but Chromium somehow recovers after showing the error page for a split second, whereas Firefox requires constant refreshing.
Not Fedora, btw.

>>106593778
Use Bazzite instead.

>>106593993
6.16.4, Firefox.
At least when posting the connection recovers on its on, I just have to wait for the captcha to load twice. For the images or the websites that randomly don't load I need to hard refresh.

>>106594013
There's a networking bug with IP4 with kernels 6.16.3-4. update to 6.16.5

>>106594053
Just did a dnf upgrade and rebooted, now I'm on 6.16.7-200.
Will report back if I still have any issues.

>>106594053
I'm not the anon that you replied, but I did the exact thing you said, my Wi-Fi is working fine. Maybe it's just a fedora issue?

>>106593541
Depends on what you need but you could use a docker/podman, lxc or nspawn container with something like archlinux or just a regular chroot. You could also use nix
I dont know where this docker is bloat thing comes from but i usually use podman over docker

>>106593610
Regular firefox has really awful defaults. I heard chromium is lighter and takes up less ram than firefox these days.

>>106591858
>/dev/fb0
Add your user to the video group
sudo usermod -aG video "$USER"

Leftists have destroyed linux desktop. When i was heavily involved in linux, around ubuntu 8, there were no such things. Today? Code of conduct, social contract, troons being put on a pedestal, diversity and inclusion comitees... i wanted to come back but, holy crap, it is so over.

>>106593218
unmount it and use fsck on the partition
>>106594434
cocs are fine if done properly
you need a way to force mentally ill people to cooperate and not act mentally ill
faggot shit is gay, i agree

>>106594496
>cocs are fine if done properly
They never are done properly so you get garbage like the contributor covenant strongarmed into projects. GNU had the right idea with their GNU Kindness document or whatever it was that Stallman came up with but they wouldn't even accept that.

>>106590647
Sorry, but what do you mean? I installed these packages from AUR. I don't want to install android studio.

>>106594539
>GNU had the right idea with their GNU Kindness document or whatever it was that Stallman came up with
never seen it but stallman usually is pretty zazed philosophy wise

with exception of his "no children" policy, its pretty retarded
i suspect that hes just coping about not having a wife

>>106594237
Fair. I just think Homebrew is an easy way to install CLI stuff on Linux. I already installed Homebrew for GitLab's CLI (Homebrew seems to be their official distribution method both on MacOS and Linux) so then I thought I might as well use it for other packages when I want something up-to-date.

>>106594910
homejew on linux?
sounds like EEE faggotry desu

What is homebrew and why should I use it instead of Discover or sudo dnf?

What terminal emulator should I use? I'm a diehard terminator fan but I can't get my fonts to render properly in kde

>>106595030
Homebrew is just another repo you can add to your system for easily CLI and GUI binary downloading. It's pretty much the main way any Mac user gets programs without downloading .dmg files or using the App Store if they're signed into an Apple ID.
On a immutable system like Bazzite or Aurora it's included by default so you can still install binary programs into your /home folder without it getting pissy during major updates.

getting a new mini pc for mom and thinking on putting on linux since she does next to nothing besides web browsing, and saving/checking photos/videos
atm shes still using windows 7, but could i guess handle something looking like win10
whats the most normie distro out there, with a default windows-ish look, that would still get proper chrome(i know) updates?

>>106594013
I just updated to 6.17.0-4 (from -3) and the issue is gone, all browsers and ping work with zero issues.

>>106595095
literally anything that isnt rolling release
you just choose DE that has xp like interface, so lxde or xfce or similar and then just update it periodically with system snapshots ofc

so something like debian will do fine

>>106595095
Aurora. It's completely mom-proof too: https://getaurora.dev/en

>>106592043
Its current year and you don't compartmentalize your sensitive stuff into seperate pcs?

>>106592259
Get rid of it and use chrony.

>>106594434
As long as you keep using linux they will get mad over it and eventually quit over burnout because the idea of someone they disagree with using linux drives them insane. Didn't you see what happened when pewdiepie made that switched to linux vid?

>>106588942
OpenSUSE
Ultramarine Linux

Having issues with linux mint and this laptop https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c06427744

I'm running the latest kernel and the AMD is recognised but linux does not want to activate it, so I have to run everything on intel

Yes even forcing it through prime gets me nothing.
I'm this close to putting back windows on it and getting a proper laptop

>>106595400
>OpenSUSE
yeah women will love videos not working

>>106595073
>>106595288
>Bazzite or Aurora
>supposed to be user-friendly
>but has like 5 different package managers
>and uses a shittier inferior terminal to cater to container fuckery(something only for advanced users and a normal user wont touch) over konsole
Very noob-friendly, mom-proof distro you got there shill.

>>106595425
>but has like 5 different package managers
Wat. Aurora has Discover and Bazzite has Bazaar.
>shitty inferior terminal
Mom is never going to look at a fucking terminal so she won't give a shit.

>>106595400
Actually I take opensuse back. Maybe Zorin instead. TuxedoOS could work too but I think women would prefer GNOME over KDE.
>>106595421
Yeah I fucked up there. Although there is Geckolinux which install codecs by default, but codecs never worked properly for me on opensuse.

>>106595410
So you have a laptop with intel igpu and amd dgpu and you want everything on the desktop to run with the amd dgpu or you want to be able to choose if a program uses the igpu or dgpu?
If you want everything on the desktop to run with the amd gpu, you can try creating an xorg.conf.d snippet https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AMDGPU#Xorg_configuration
Hybrid graphics has always been a mess on linux

>>106595467
>Geckolinux
>PackageKit is not used or installed by default
How is Discover meant to work then?

>>106595441
Homebrew, distrobox, flatpak, rpm-ostree, i counted one extra by mistake
Discover and bazaar are just frontends for the four different package managers, it doesnt change the fact theres four different package managers under the hood.

>>106595505
>Homebrew, distrobox, flatpak, rpm-ostree
No one knows or cares what those are. I just download shit from Discover.

>>106595482
>you want to be able to choose if a program uses the igpu or dgpu?
I'd prefer this but I'll try what you said as a last resort, anon. Thx.
I want to keep using this crap laptop and I don't want to use windows 11 anymore. Funny that it runs windows 11 even.

>>106595522
Then you would only need flatpak and rpm-ostree (assuming rpm-ostree works with discover) instead of the other two other package managers added on-top to make shit confusing.

>>106595538
I don't know what rpm-ostree is and I'm not going to learn (nor is mom). Mom doesn't care about package management autism.

>>106595530
I thought just using DRI_PRIME=1 would've been enough to tell the program to use the dpgu over the igpu but i guess not.
The other thing you could try is putting both the intel and amd gpus in the same xorg.conf.d file (i think order matters, so put the intel part first)
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Intel_graphics#Xorg_configuration
That might cause PRIME to work properly
Might also need to uninstall the old ddx driver to make sure intel uses the modesetting driver since that might also be causing some issue. the package should be called xserver-xorg-video-intel
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/External_GPU#Xorg_rendered_on_iGPU,_PRIME_render_offload_to_eGPU
Although this is talking about egpu's you might be able to use something from this to apply to hybrid graphics
I remember getting an intel igpu + nvidia dgpu setup working years ago on a regular pc but i forgot how i did it.

>>106595637
>DRI_PRIME
i believe this is just a wrapper around __NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD
try launching something through the console prepending the variable
__NV_PRIME_RENDER_OFFLOAD=1 vkcube
replace vkcube with whatever program you want to run, though vkcube should be enough to tell if this works

>>106595702
DRI_PRIME=1 is just an environment variable and is for the open-source amd/intel drivers. The wrapper you're thinking of is called prime-run and basically had those nvidia-only environment variables.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PRIME#For_open_source_drivers_-_PRIME

What task manager do you guys use? I just use htop but maybe some of you use GUI alternatives

>>106595811
btop is good enough for me. Mission Center if you're a Windows refugee.

>>106587037 (OP)
>Install game on lutris
>Throws error, says go to log folder
>Game not installed in the directory it says it's in
>Open directory button doesn't work either
>Setting the directory manually makes it go through /run/user/1000/doc/

>Playing around with Gnome
>Try to format USB into fat32 through nautilus (file browser) through a right click menu.
>it insists on making it vfat instead, but just calls it “fat” leaving you no idea what it was actually formatted as.
>Have to used gparted to actually format it correctly into fat32.
Usecase for incorrectly formatting people’s USBs?

>>106593996
i am NOT using anything fedora based

>>106595905
sounds like flatpak sandbox problem. check if you do you have the permission to access those folders.

ok so i installed endeavour OS and one minutes controllers where working and now magically they have stopped i will NOT\ FUCKING USE FUCKING BAZZITE its fuckijng limiting and i might as well use fucking windows at that point fuck fedora

>>106596085
you should be asking who needs fat32 in their gui file manager.

>>106595905
If you install your games anywhere other than the flatpak's data dir in your user folder ~/.var/app/[flatpak] then you have to give it permission to access it using something like flatseal if you don't know the command. When using Lutris or whatever flatpak and you see /run/user/blah/something then whatever you're using is not gonna work as those are fake filesystem paths.

>>106596183
what's the problem again?

>>106596085
man you people like your GUI trash
just use good old CLI tools
they are used by professionals and just fucking work
people who are trying to write "normie friendly" graphical shit dont have QA departments and are retarded redditors
also CLI shit has good error messages
and your GUI trash in most cases just a wrapper for them anyway

in this case use mkfs
>>106596183
dmesg
sometimes its hardware that is failing

>>106596196
a controller that wasc detected magically stopped being detected when i started hollow knight

>>106596217
>your gui trash
Hey man don’t make it personal, i was just trying out the silly thing.

>>106596223
try asking on >>>/vg/lgg

>>106595425
>>106595505
Unless you're a developer or a tech literate power user, you will never touch anything other than Flatpak or sometimes Appimage. And these two are exceptionally normie-friendly.
>Discover and bazaar are just frontends for the four different package managers
Actually no. They just serve flatpaks. And even if they did serve other package types in future, it would be completely abstracted so that the end user can't tell the difference at all. Making it basically irrelevant what's happening behind the scenes.

>>106595030
You avoid relying on your distro's package maintainers. Pretty much no real developer uses dnf/apt to install dev dependencies, while hombrew makes a convenient central repository.

>>106596183
>bazzite
>limiting
It's no different from other distros. Fedora atomic distros aren't actually fully immutable. Them being "locked down" is a complete meme and misinformation spread by brainlets.

>>106596238
im just being cheeky
also dont want foss devs spending their free time cooking some half baked trash where they can just make a cute little KISS CLI program and i'll just add a GUI wrapper myself if i need it

>>106595811
>can see process
>can see its arguments
>can see how many resources a process is taking
>can filter
i dont need more than htop

>>106595811
mostly btop

>>106596217
>>106596085
As much as I prefer CLI programs I think it's also nice to have GUI ones, having different options is cool. Gnome is shit though, I think you can format stuff using their disk utility.
>>106596321
I just don't understand why is there a need to make your system read-only to "avoid problems" when you could just not be retarded. Seriously, how common is it to run random scripts as root to the point entire distributions have to be made just to prevent it? if you like the concept and are comfortable using such a system then more power to you, I just personally believe we should be teaching normalfags how to properly manage and use their Linux system instead of adding complexity and putting guardrails on it, and then claim/shill such a system is better.

>>106596085
why would you even want fat32 over vfat?

>>106587037 (OP)
>MACVLAN
is this the holy filter of linux networking?

so far i understood:
1. host <-> container communication is not permitted by design: ARP is black holed (unless mode bridge)
2. however macvlan can still indirectly use parent's gateway ip for outer access: no ARP black hole since the packet isn't destined to parent ip itself and didn't go through normal "local delivery" path
did i get it right?

GNOME 49 comes out on Wednesday. What is there to expect?

>>106596571
macvlan means that you basically directly put your container or whatever in your lan, as if it was an actual device. Other options require your host to do forwarding, both have their ups and downs.

So I have been thinking, if Steam and other proprietary shit like blobs in the firmware or the CPU microcode it's collecting data anyways from your PC.

There really is no difference than just installing Windows LTSC/debloated/privacy script/firewall than to use a Linux distro with all that stuff from above huh?

>>106596641
yeah
no point in using Linux for privacy if you are a gamer

>>106596604
yes that way it makes sense, but my "real" devices can ping the host. Macvlan however can't, not exactly the same as a seperate lan device.

>>106596509
>As much as I prefer CLI programs I think it's also nice to have GUI ones
i dont see the point to some of them
CLI allows automation, id prefer just typing in a single command
>Seriously, how common is it to run random scripts as root to the point entire distributions have to be made just to prevent it?
oh my sweet summer child
>>106596641
you think you can fit telemetry inside of a CPU microcode?
and then send it over network without some geek ass security researches noticing?

>>106596668
Well, I've only seen it used on hosts with multiple network interfaces, and the macvlan one was exclusively used by the container.

>>106596665
its safer to run pirated games on a POSIX host like linux OS through emulation like wine than n windows
you also get a retard proof settings for isolating your games from the internet

>>106596641
in a way yes, think of it like linux having less stuff working against your privacy
>>106596671
>telemetry CPU blob
completely factually that it can happen, just like that chinese dev that didn't get caught until too late

>>106596707
disagree on defaults being better than windows, but agree on piratefags having it safer

>>106596509
>I just don't understand why is there a need to make your system read-only to "avoid problems"
Let me put it this way. Almost every time I updated Ubuntu to the next version, and pretty much every year I update Arch or Manjaro, something breaks in either a very annoying or catastrophic way.
I've recently updated multiple immutable systems (mainly Aurora, but also several others including non-Fedora ones) which haven't been updated in a year. And several haven't been updated in almost 2-3 years. Absolutely zero issues whatsoever. Even in systems where immutability is "broken" by using rpm-ostree to install/layer additional packages.
>I just personally believe we should be teaching normalfags how to properly manage and use their Linux system
No. People don't want to be sysadmins. They just want something stable as fuck that doesn't shit itself after an update. They just want an OS where they can "install app -> use app".
Immutable distros have been proven to work on stuff like Linux handhelds even before SteamOS 3 was a thing. And that's a crowd of mostly tech illiterate people just playing emulated games and using their devices for years without even knowing they're using Linux. Not to mention the "system closed to modifications outside of power users" model is also proven to work with Android/iOS being a prime example. And probably most importantly, the majority of servers are also effectively immutable since they're just deployed as reproducible containers or VMs.
Only Windows and non-immutable Linux are bad enough operating systems that the average end user constantly fears system updates.
Clearly immutability is just better in 99% of cases.

>>106596641
>There really is no difference than just installing Windows LTSC/debloated/privacy script/firewall
the problem most people have with windows is how it changes all the time. linux people had the same reaction when gnome 3 came out (which is why mate desktop is a thing).

>>106596593
Less features
>>106596641
I still prefer my OS to be as open source as possible. Remember the xz backdoor from last year? it was discovered pretty quickly thanks to that, picrel.
>>106596671
The point is different people prefer different things, just like you and I prefer CLI over GUI. Someone who prefers the latter could argue something similar to what you said
>"What's the point of CLI? GUI allows easier interaction, I'd prefer clicking a single button"
So you're not wrong, but I don't see the problem with graphical programs existing.
>>106596778
>oh my sweet summer child
What I mean is that the entire point behind immutable distributions seems to be be avoiding problems derived from doing retarded things. And yes, I know sometimes your system can fuck up itself, but 99% of the time issues arise due to PEBCAK, and even then you can restore your system thanks to snapshots or backups, made easy with Snapper or Timeshift. So to me, an immutable distro seems a bit pointless, complex, and weird.

Look at it this way, imagine you move in to a new apartment, and the owner tells you all doors and windows are locked down for your security and he's not giving you the keys, you then ask how are you supposed to enter the place and he tells you to use the chimney. Again, if you like this way of doing things then fine I guess, but people who shill Bazzite or similar distros don't even try to explain to normies the pros and cons of such a system, how it works, or how does it compare to other distributions, they just say "is better" and that's it. I'm not trying to make grandma install Gentoo or become a sysadmin, but normalfags should at least learn the basics, if they do it then there's no need for guardrails at all, and little Timmy wont be running install_roblox.sh as root anymore.

Are you guys using Steam from Native Repos or Flatpak?

>>106596993
use the native, flatpak may cause performance impact on CPU during gaming.

I just updated my arch install and plasma now shows the original upstream icons for certain applications like telegram and steam, instead of the previous "breezefied" version
is that supposed to be like that or have I fucked something up?

>>106596993
I don't use any fatpaks

>>106596989
To expand a bit more, with basics I mean learning how to search, and (un)install packages, learn what some terms mean, and where stuff is located (fonts, themes, configs, etc). Think of it as learning how to take care of a car, it's nice being able to change a tire or oil yourself, it's not rocket science. Even if your average joe doesn't know how to, I bet he at least understands it is objectively a nice skill to have/learn. Linux on the other hand is treated as literal rocket science and waste of time, so no one wants to learn even the mere basics (which are not difficult at all), and users are often discouraged from doing so. Could you imagine this attitude in other contexts?
>hey man I learned how to cook pasta today!
>lmao bro don't be such a nerd, you know you can just buy food already made right? cooking? I don't have time to learn useless things like that, I have more important things to do.
This also affects how other people (developers) build their software, just look at Gnome. Some nice ideas here and there but their software is so barebones because they treat their users as retards that don't need this or that. Again, I'm not saying little Timmy has to install LFS or compile his kernel, but if the user knows how to use their system then there's no need for guardrails or simplification.
>Shaw's Principle: Build a system that even a fool can use, and only a fool will want to use it.
>>106597098
Afaik that's intentional, picrel.

>>106596720
>completely factually that it can happen
i dont think you comprehend how retarded of an idea that is
>>106596744
>disagree on defaults being better than windows
defaults?
>>106596989
i mean you can make an accessibility argument for GUI
but only in specific cases and you can also make the same accessibility argument for CLI in different cases so
plus most of the "convenience" of GUI is just familiarity, after all you were groomed by microsoft since childhood
>So to me, an immutable distro seems a bit pointless, complex, and weird.
Well... android works just fine?

>>106596993
flatpak for me it just works

>>106596593
better support for scaling

>>106596778
>Almost every time I updated Ubuntu to the next version, and pretty much every year I update Arch or Manjaro, something breaks in either a very annoying or catastrophic way.
Have it ever occurred to you that, perhaps, you are the problem?
Not trying to be a dick, but I've been upgrading a few Kubuntu machines for *many* years now with zero issues, and I've worked on web servers that have undergone 4-5 in-place upgrades with Ubuntu Server.
At an MSP I worked, we didn't support performing in-place upgrades but we did support the server if the customer performed the upgrade themselves, and many did since it's as trivial as running one command and rebooting, with all settings and programs kept intact.