Thread 106593146

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 12600KF budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P, ASUS XG259CS
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27QA, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), XG32UCWMG (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: >>106585071

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Omissions
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

Luv my 5070

There hasnt been and will never be a graphics card as sexy as this...

XG27ACS discounted to $219 in US Amazon ($30 above all-time low).
Sold/Shipped by Amazon.

>>106593369
>1440
sorry bro I need my pixels

>>106593369
for $50 more you can get a 300hz panel instead of 180hz
https://us.ktcplay.com/products/27-inch-300hz-vertical-gaming-monitor

Anons, I need help choosing an AM5 motherboard. It's for a workstation, I need lots of USB ports. LiveMixer is not widely available what are my other options, Gigabyte or MSI are preferable if possible because support is better for those brands in my country. I just need shitton of USB ports. I'd even buy a B650M HDV/M.2 if I can put humongous amounts of usb ports, I don't need a GPU btw. This workstation needs compute for building and usb ports for testing.

>>106593369
180HZ is so last gen, you get 240Hz for the same price from Acer or Viewsonic. If it says A(sus), just beware, its like women with tats.

>>106593277
Can you mod more VRAM to it?

>>106593666
just buy a used 4070TiSuper at that point, it's basically a 16GB 5070 without 3x/4x framegen

>>106593672
It's roughly the same price as a 5070 Ti

>>106593684
Wait 3-9 months for the alleged 18GB super to come out, be in stock, and fall to a reasonable price?

>>106593146 (OP)
is it worth it to upgrade gpu for am3+ (fx)
or is better buy some modern igpu

i am okay with 1080p and 60 fps btw

>>106593699
Im using a 1060, which would be a security weak point by then. I can't buy a 5060 Ti because the banking jew doesn't make installements on the cash price
>Abolish IP
Let me use a RX 9060 XT with Cuda cores jensen you monopolistic fuck

>>106593540
ProFart X870E has loads of them
It's pretty pricey though

>>106593540
usb hub
pcie usb card

>>106593715
You can probably 1080p60 with lowered settings and upscaling in lots of recent games on a newer Ryzen APU

>>106593715
If you only play games from 15 years ago, sure. Time to throw away your PC and buy a new one if you have any hope of playing newer games, though.

>>106593146 (OP)
I decided to buy a 5060 ti 16gb but which brand should I buy? Are there any drastic differences that justifies paying a considerably higher price for the same card?

>>106593146 (OP)
I've heard miniLED monitors are a lot better than edgeLEDs, is that true? Last time I bought a monitor was like 7 years ago. It seems there aren't many options to buy these in europe though as far as I could see.
>KTC M27P6
Definitely can't seem to find this one anywhere. All I want is a good 27in, 120hz+, 4K monitor, not really for gaming but productivity and media.

Literally post moon landing colonies exist why does NASA say we haven't made contact yet? It's more likely they sent us here not the former.

I got the Borderland 4 bundle with my GPU. How do I sell it? Is it locked to my GPU serial?

Looking to upgrade, wondering if I should just get a new GPU or do a full rebuild. The Mobo, ram, and CPU I got maybe 2-3 years ago, but the gpu is starting to get pretty old. Would be for gaming, but I play a lot of paradox/total war/strategy games, so CPU is more important than for someone who is only playing like call of duty or whatever.

I'm in the US and budget isn't really a concern, just looking for most bang for the buck. Leaning towards rtx 5080, 90 seems like the diminishing returns are just a bit too high.

>>106594097
Looks fine, maybe tighten your ram timings if you're bored.

>>106594097
I'd just upgrade your GPU and monitor to something more than 60Hz

>>106594097
the only cpu upgrade you have is the 9800x3d and the max uplift is like 40% in ideal scenario
better off with a gpu upgrade

>>106594123
Yeah. Work paid for the monitors otherwise I would have gotten a better refresh rate, but honestly as long as it's stable I don't mind capping at 60. Problem I'm having now is I'm trying to play sea of thieves and even at 1080p I'm dropping down to 42fps pretty regularly. I'll upgrade the GPU now and look at getting some better monitors maybe next year. Are there any brands that make a particularly good rtx 5080?

Also, is there anything in particular I should be doing to help run the dual monitors where one is the main gaming monitor and the other is pretty much just for discord or YouTube videos?

>>106594176
Just turn on DLSS bro.

>>106594195
SoT doesn't have it

>>106594176
what resolution are you targeting? for 60fps 1080/1440p, a 5080 is overkill outside of modern slops, even a 70 non-ti is good enough

>>106593540
MSI X670e gaming plus, usb ports out of the arse on that one. £180 on Amazon, which is strangely its only UK vendor.

5070 non Ti and 5060 Ti 16 GB
>Same price
Which one?
Obviously the 5070 is a better chip but
>VRAM
What do?

good or no
is 7800x3d outdated?
or should i wait little more for 11800x3d maybe

>>106594295
As long as this is 1440p or lower still the 5070, next-gen consoles are still a few years off so lowest common denominator VRAM targets won't really increase much until then. What's your current GPU? If you can hold off for the 5070 Super beginning of next year might be worth it.

I have a 2 cm gap between 5070Ti exhaust fans and a PSU cage. Is it safe, or it will fuck my PSU or GPU in the long run?

>>106593920
it makes you download some software that scans your pc to make sure you actually own the gpu and then it gives you a steam code

>>106593751
>Time to throw away your PC and buy a new one
rude

>>106593744
I just checked charts and APUs perform worse rx580

>>106594320
>>106594320
It's $110 difference, you're already buying an essentially top of the line pc, spend a little bit more and get the very best possible. Life's too short

>>106594320
0. What's your current system?
1. Are you in the US?
2. If yes to #1, do you live near a MicroCenter?
3. What's your budget?
4. What monitor do you have or want to get?
5. Is this build mostly for gaming?

Only things worth waiting on right now are Black Friday sales in mid-November (yes they start that early) and the 5070 Super early next year for the extra VRAM and slight increase in performance from the bump in shaders.

>>106594365
>APUs perform worse rx580
"Ryzen AI" APUs should be on roughly a GTX 1660 to GTX 1070 level.

>>106594350
Everytime I see MLID console leaks I get irrationally angry.
That nig claimed the ps5 was going to be faster than a 2080ti

>>106594295
They're the same price? Then no question the 5070

>>106594350
NTA but my plan is to ride my 5070 setup until first first proper PS6 exclusives start coming out (no PS5 crossplatform), then upgrade GPU to whatever the latest Nvidia gen is.

>>106594236
I like to future proo. 1440/60 for now but will probably be upgrading monitors eventually.

Are off-brand/white label OLED monitors a bad idea?

>>106594640
No, one of the great things about OLED as an emissive display is that the underlying panels are already 90% from LG & Samsung's factory and there is little variation in performance between whoever rebadging them unlike with LCDs where the overdrive tuning can make a huge difference. CRTs were the same way.

Has anyone seen or used anything from this company called "manli"? I think this gpu design is neat, but ive genuinely never heard of this company before.

>>106594906
they mostly only sell their wares to china/taiwan afaik

>>106594906
They make the Manliest GPUs.

>>106594921
So similar to yeston then?

>>106594906
it's all Nvidia under the hood, buy the cheapest you can find
I got a fucking Inno3D even though all my previous GPUs had been from reputable brands like Gigabyte, MSI and ASUS

>>106594966
Yeah
More specifically, manli is one of the subrbrands of Pc Partner which owns other GPU brands like inno3d and colorful

The only GPU brand which I've ever heard is best avoided is Biostar.

>>106595006
Relax, I'm just talking about the design.
>>106595015
That is quite interesting. I quite like the design, but damn is it fucking expensive to buy right now.

>>106594350
>1440p
>Using 1060 6GB
>Using CUDA
>Asking for mileage Beyond 2027
Which card is better for my usecase? As a side note 1060 works for most games at medium low 1080p currently and ran anything i threw at it decently besides a few exceptions until a few years ago, can i expect similar performance from these cards?

What has happened with the mainboard market?

Absolute standstill, there are no new AM5 boards, most of the offerings are garbage, the price is stable, high.

>>106595120
gigabyte just launched their x870 refresh lineup with the x3d moniker
the i/o is way better than the original x870 boards

>>106594906
actual cool design, i like it. makes a change from the black/red/silver/RGB vomit that're seemingly the only options these days

>>106595120
>>106595167
and msi just launched their 800 series am5 refresh boards with the Max suffix

>>106594430
Smart Anon.

>>106595092
I still say the 5070.

>>106595177
when are those releasing? and whats the difference between them and the non max version other than not having to update the bios to support newer am5 9000?
the msi mag x870e tomahawk is going for 340usd right now and they are running out of stock in the one store that currently has it available, should I wait or pull the trigger?

here's your gaming PC faggot

>>106593729
No thanks staying away from gay-sus.

>>106593736
pcie usb cards, I have to test next. USB hubs are a pia.
>>106594266
Uhhh, let me see, I was looking for budget ones.

Brehs, checkout this build, I'm worried about the Mobo and Case.

related post >>106593540

>>106595330
this is better for the back. i'd do the same. what's the problem?

should workers doing real essential jobs sacrifice their health for your gay manchild pc?

>>106595330
kek the way she's doing it is exactly how military men workout by flipping tractor tires

>>106595330
You faggots need to sparta kick her. You yanks are so sissified.

https://wccftech.com/another-chinese-gpu-nears-tape-out-as-loongson-finalizes-its-first-chip-the-9a1000/
>Popular Chinese CPU manufacturer Loongson is set to enter the GPU segment soon. Its first chip, the 9A1000, will be taped out in the next few months.

LOONGSON WON

THANK YOU LOONGSON

>>106595412
and dont get me started on boomers and their "cathode ray tubes" (old tvs/monitors) hobby

how about i dont "decapitate" you you greasy old autistic faggot

5070ti or 9070xt for 4k gayman? price is rougly the same right now
cpu is 9800x3d if that matters

>>106595340
Wise choice
Can't say the same for myself. Am likely to bite the bullet and just hope it'll work forever after w/o RMA
Captcha: TTWTT

>>106595596
>price is rougly the same right now
Then the 5070ti of course, what are you retarded?

How do I sort out the "less trash" options among cheapskate SSDs?

>>106595678
For gayman? Doesn't matter, any NVME SSD will be more than fast enough. The loading speed bottleneck will be the game engine or your CPU. Hell even a SATA SSD would be okay, but quality SATA SSDs are expensive. I sometimes game from an external SSD on a 5Gbit USB port, and it werks fine.
Productivity, like 4K video rendering and shit? No clue.

>>106595258
hard to say when they will be released, MSI Max got announced around month ago, and Gigabyte X3D only about three days ago
Not sure about what the Max is about, might be mostly cosmetic uplift, but they will also finally release x870e Ace, which is like Godlike, but without the stupid screen and magnetic elements which break the board, and costs about 60% of Godlike

>>106595747
>Max
mostly just NIC upgrades across the board so you get 10G with MEG and 5G with MPG boards

Why do only expensive mobos have USB 3.2 Gen 2? Not even Thunderbolt or USB 4... I'm stuck with rebranded USB 3.0 speeds for another PC because I didn't read the fine print of 3.2 Gen 1 being a scam...

>>106595863
A lot of people seem to prefer the lanes going to m.2. slots instead of USB4 as a lot of high end boards suffer from shared lanes.

what benchmarks or calculations do they use for FP32 numbers and all that TFLOP stuff?

>>106595747
the ace looks cool but it really is just
>oops all 10g usb
and 1 extra onboard nvme
>>106595762
>just nic upgrades
-
k, thats all I needed to know, ill buy the x870e tomahawk before the stock vanishes and then comes back more expensive like it already did in amazon

What is the current hotness for bottom of the barrel budget CPUs for web browsing? Intel with graphics.

>>106595979
a phone. samsung phones go for as low as $5 and you cant beat the tdp.

>>106595979
13400 and 14400 is still king
theres nothing that can beat having 6 alderlake cores and 8 gracemont cores at that price

>>106595979
>bottom of the barrel budget
probably 12100 or 14100

>>106595979
12100 or 13100. $70 for it and the cooler second hand

Day20 FAFO'ing with the G80SD

>Started monitor it did not have a blackscreen after the usual 12 minutes if I am being right today
>Not related but related to OLED TECH: Went to store and looked at a 27" 1440p asus WOLED real close and yeah, genuninely the text rendering looks like absolute ASS how bad it is, keep in mind I complain a bit about 4k 32" 140ppi QDOLED

Hello im selling my VR (Meta Quest 3) to some guy for 380euros (dont worry i tried to squeeze like 500 but nobody wanted to bite for like 9months)+ 1x16gb ram Corsair is there any way to know from just the look if shit is legit or ? (pic related on the left is ram and on the right is my pc even if it dosent support the ram i think it is a good deal)

>>106596095
also
Makes me think how I would cope with an oled TV with even lower ppi if the text rendering looks THAT bad, like insanely bad
I might be forced to stick with monitors after all
always preferred res over lower res

>>106595678
Go with this one, high end or lower. Acer and Adata are not trash BTW, they are alright.

>>106595405
Bump. What do you think of this list >>106595628 ?

>>106595596
If gayman on Windows, 5070Ti. If on Linux, 9070xt.

>>106594320
This is plenty.

>>106596208
Tourist here partpicker has shit UI and everything i would just go to logicalincrements and pick the tier and have F U N.

>>106594640
What are these off brand oled monitors?

>>106596256
Pretty cool. I wish they made larger cards, made rocm less shit and made zluda right this time.

>>106596256
However

>>106596208
Looks okay at a glance imo
Can't look more in-depth into that PSU quality 'cos it's Wagecucksday but it does look runnable and compatible

>>106596349
Its fine https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/2483/

Its hard to get good low wattage PSU for servers. I wish there was RM550X or something similar. Even 450W is plenty for this build.

>>106596095
sounds like only a 5k monitor can cure your autism.

What is the RAM meta for 9950x? Is it still ddr5 6000? 6400, 7200 or 8000 not popular yet? Or is the price to performance still not there? Its for compile heavy workloads. BTW, should I look at 7950x3d or 9950x3d instead of a 9950x?

>>106595979
i have an i3-6100 that is worhtless. You could probably get one for $5 on ebay if you wanted.

>>106595656
Dunno i have a 5070 ti and kind of wish I had a 9070 xt just due to the games I play, that and nvidias drivers are actually really shit now for some reason

>>106596399
buying ddr5 thats above 6000mhz is a waste of money for the marginal performance gains. the latency is more important past that.

>>106595405
>>106596208
Do you have a list of applications that can leverage all of the 9950X's cores and 64GB of RAM?

That mobo is fine (6x50A phases is plenty), and if you wanted to save some money if you don't need integrated Wifi:
Asrock B650M-HDVM.2
Or this model if you need Wi-fi:
MSI Pro B650M-A Wifi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtHOOyWYiic

Slightly cheaper RAM:
G.Skill F5-6000J3636F32GX2-TZ5RK

For the case consider the Montech X1 that is much cheaper and already comes with 4 installed fans:
4chan won't let me post full pricetracker URLs so just search those part #s.

>>106596397
Adding onto that, what do I mean 1440p woled looks like ass?
Like in windows settings menu, trying to read small text descriptions, it's literally unreadable due to being so low pixels and the sub pixel matrix, like, looks like a pentile display extremely low res, like a 1080p lcd would be ultra clear in comparison
Or maybe I've forgotten how low res/ppi displays look? Can't be, nothing looks that bad
Like text letters missing lines and looking like it has artifacts or something fucked
Even just getting an unscaled 42" LG tv if it looks like that unscaled close distance.. yep it's over

Stunning : Borderlands 4 totally playable on the 8700g, rendering all poorfag seethe effectively debunked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du4udMySAS0

does scale work with intel arc or just amd?

I'm trying to build a workstation for fusion 360 pro. What's a realistically affordable workstation GPU? Is there any reliable website for benchmarks?

>>106596728
weird fucking cat

>>106595412
I dream of the days that robots can do all poorfag jobs so we can exterminate all the lower classes

should I get a 1000 zone mini led or wait for 2000 zone ones? is that a big difference?

>>106596577
did you look at the 480hz panels that have the new layout or one of the older ones?

>>106595464
based. what happened to moore threads?

>>106596312
>it takes up 2fps instead of 0.5s of a frame
wow

>>106596605
it looks almost like a gamecube game

>>106593146 (OP)
For the monitors in the OP, 1440p specifically, are they ordered by recommendation or do they all offer about the same? I don't really want to spend more than 250$

>>106593364
Maybe if outside aesthetics are the only thing you care about.
Inside is just mass produced crap.

>>106596822
I believe it was the PG27AQDM
does not seem much better with the 480hz PG27AQDP to right here

like it was actually worse than I remembered and thought
especially small text, you just see pixels, like text is garbled and arrifacted
like
bad
so damn bad

>>106596962
M27QA has a built-in KVM switch.
Cheaper monitors tend to have worse factory color calibration, not necessarily a deal breaker.

>>106596256
>>106596312
Great. Does this mean people will finally stop claiming fsr4 is equal/better than dlss 4 now that everyone can try it?

ACK

>>106596872
As far I know nothing new, they are still in, probably working on some new GPU
Now there will be at least three different GPU makers in China

>>106596312
this is without optimizations from AMD. post optimization will run even better.

>>106596256
Why is the guy only sharing the .dll to people who dm him? That's very sus

>>106597041
>KVM switch
Would I ever use this if I don't even know what it is? I saw the doc in the first post and was looking at the Asus XG27ACS too

>>106597096
Keep waiting™

>>106597155
you can compile it yourself from the leaked sdk but first you need to find it. its not normie accessible.

>interested in the Lancool 207 Digital
>oops if you got a 160mm power supply at the recommended maximum spec the power cable becomes a super tight fit
>better buy our proprietary power Lian Li power supply we built specifically for cases like this instead

>>106596256
The biggest news for me is that they haven't abandoned rdna3

I think I've reached the final setup of my next build: I've been interested in both the 9700X, the 9900X and the 265KF but considering that gaming is one of the main purposes of my future PC I thought that probably I should stop coping and I should simply get the best gaming CPU without compromises right now, especially considering I'll be playing some old titles at 1080p to try to squeeze out the max possible performance and that the total price of this build is safely below 2K. Country is Italy, my monitor has a 1440p res and 240Hz refresh rate. My current PC mounts a i5 6500 and a GTX 1060 6GB so I guess I should expect a pretty big performance leap. Do you have any last thoughts before I pull the trigger?

How much of 14600K would be wasted on GTX 1070 Ti? I'm downgrading, should I get 12600KF instead?

>>106597512
wtf are these low prices?
where are you from?

>>106596124
Well fuck it hope the deal goes throught buying that headset was one of biggest mistakes of my life.

>>106597512
Looks good for the intended purpose. The LCD in the case is cool but I personally dislike things that are stuck on the CPU in the background but then again I have to do the same with AIDA64 for the display on my AIO. Most people prefer two drives, one for the OS and a second one for data.