Thread 106625024

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 12600KF budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P, ASUS XG259CS
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27QA, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), XG32UCWMG (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: >>106619043

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Omissions
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

SN7100 (Gen 4) vs SN8100 (Gen 5) if I care about battery life

8100 is more efficient at peak but not sure which is better during regular use

Would 8100 draw less power than 7100 at the same speeds?

Why is bankrupt Intel and Nvidia joining forces and attempting to bruttally kill the onoly thing team red bros had going for us???
Is this legal for htem to do? What can we do to stop this?

Guys, never using Nvidia GPUs again their drivers suck on Windows & Linux

Hello, ESL man from spain here.

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/4K7Q4p

I am currently using the pc for work (.NET legacy code mainly)

I was thinking in buying a SSD for alternative OS boot (havent decided the distro yet) and escape the hellscape that developing for .NET and windows 11 is becoming in my country.

Is it worth it to buy a new SSD to keep both OS's isolated?

if my monitor has USB ports is it possible to buy some sort of external controller that will let me turn it on/off/use the OSD?
the little joystick for that on the back just broke and is barely working

which mobo should I go for?
b850 mag tomahawk or b850 aorus elite?
the mag tomahawk does have better headers and 2 usb3.2 headers (im gonna use the corsair frame 5000d and it would use both headers)
but the aorus elite does look nicer and has a better heatsink for the arm but doesn't have as many headers
>what cpu?
9950x3d
are there any other boards with 2 usb3.2 headers?
also when I look up known issues the tomahawk seems to have more of them and seems more unstable but I couldnt find anything conclusive regarding that

>>106625300
>Is it worth it to buy a new SSD to keep both OS's isolated?
I would buy a new SSD for the other OS.

>>106625139
I'd assume the SN7100 is more power efficient because it has no dedicated memory chip.
If you need the drive to have the lowest latency, get the SN8100.

>>106625405
At 14 GB/s, SN8100 pulls 6.7W
At 7 GB/s, SN7100 pulls 4.3W

I'm just wondering if SN8100 pulls less than 4.3W at 7 GB/s.

>>106625401
>are there any other boards with 2 usb3.2 headers?
There's a PCPartPicker filter for this ('USB 3.2 Gen X Headers').
https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#S=2,4&c=169,166,167&sort=price&m=8,18,27

I really want an OLED but I just can't knowing about the extra fuckery involved.

like pixel refreshes and all that.

>>106625525
At least wait until the holiday discounts start or buy Gigabyte's new tandem WOLED monitor when it's available.

>>106625525
it's just not worth it imo
of course i'll change my mind about that when i can buy one

>>106625303
The USB ports are likely just a hub irrelevant to the rest of the monitor.

>>106625525
Until burn in becomes an extremely rare occurrence, oled won't be on my radar, especially not for a computer.
>taskbar gets burned in

>>106625303
no but you can use software like controlmymonitor to change settings from your computer

I have run the ethernet cable, but at what cost?

>>106625684
bitch you live like this?

>>106625641
The solution is simple run your current LCD as your main productivity/desktop display and keep the OLED as your side "fun" monitor that is treated like a TV for games, comics, and video.

>>106625684
Nice rug

is the Cooler Master NR200 still the king?

>>106625641
I'll just buy the OLED with the best buy warranty.
I literally win either way.

>asus oled
>has a theoretically great feature that should be in all OLEDS
>its a proximity sensor that turns display off automatically if you walk away
but it doesnt even fucking work for alot of people or it turns display off when people are sitting at it

>>106625646
that won’t let me turn it on and off will it (that’s all I really want to do and if the button really breaks I’ll be fucked)

>>106625450
its all x870/e lane fuckery, extinct x670/e boards also with lane fuckery or unstable b850s
this gen of motherboards fucking sucks
ill get the b850 tomahawk then

>>106625782
>warranty
I've had my fair share of things dying 1 day after the warranty ends. One of those things cost me 14,000 dollars.

>>106625475
>powerdown disabled

>>106625898
depends on your monitor, each monitor behaves differently
there is also MultiMonitorTool by the same guy which has the enable/disable monitor function

>>106625763
for me it's the orange and black

apparently now people are saying if you have fans mounted to the top of your case the one to the right of the CPU air cooler should be intake.

>>106625997
thanks I’ll try it out tomorrow

>>106625525
>like pixel refreshes and all that.
why do you think I've been sperging out about bad implementations about pixel refreshes for several months?
it's a solved problem and a non issue that should be invisible to the user and automatically done when the display is turned off, however due to retardation in the monitor manufacturer space, they some how interpreted this as the samsung/lg spec being it NEEDS to be ran at a 16 hour interval minimum, which then they implemented a FORCED pixel refresh at when the accumulated time has been reached, if a pixel refresh has not been triggered before then, this introduced even more problems due to shit like the timer running when the monitor is idle off - meaning it might run after 1 hour when the monitor is on, other things like that, and as such might trigger in a competitive match or some shit like this, as reported indefinitely on leddit and many places
corpo dick suckers will say this is not a problem and will defend their post purchase rationalization, techtubers will refuse to answer this due to sponsorships
to know that I am right about this you can look no further than to see that MSI had to back pedal to increase the timer to 24 hours, however this should not even exist
TVs already solved this before monitors
mobile phones with oleds don't behave like this
laptops don't behave like this (afaik)
no device behaves like this
it's a solved problem and you are safu if you just buy a non retarded display implementation, many are retarded however

>>106625536
woled is literally just worse, trying to rebadge it does not change it

>>106625641
you will never own an oled

>>106626077
>you will never own an oled
My phone is oled :(

What are good VRM temps? I was talking to a coworker about PCs and he told me to watch my VRM temps and that 70+ is too high.

>>106626116
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9JxeIqVkuQ
tldw dont worry about it

>>106625963
Best buy warranty is good for 4 years
1 year more than the Asus one
Covers burn in too

>>106625804
before they implement this useless feature they first need to address the timed forced refreshes and implement basic bitch settings like pixel shift off settings
this alone kills like 80% of the oleds on the market and makes most of the budget segment unbuyable

>>106626086
amazin that it will never burn in

>>106626192
>amazin that it will never burn in
because the phone screen is off majority of the time.

would you guys recommend a thermal paste guard for a 9950x3d or is it a waste of money?

>>106625763
>single shitty internal rad
ngmi

>>106626290
functionally it makes no difference

>excuse me sars, please needful and buy AMD and Android products! They are very good value
>yes Apple security and quality is better, but it's very expensive, you need value saaars!

>>106626445
I'll buy AMD when they come out with the 9950x3d2. google seems to want to force me to apple with killing side loading apps so that might even be in the future. Fucking hell.

>>106626445
>android is a good value
yeah, we know ranjesh, but thanks, I'm sticking with Apple!

>>106626445
X3D cpus are for the idiot intel crowd. You know the people who buy $500 motherboards for 60 amp chips.

i'm chimping out right now
fan on asus zenbook is constantly at max rpm of 8000+ (cpu temps always stable at 50°C)
please do the needful saars

>>106626445
>shilling for one megacorp by shitting on another for no reason
you're not only retarded, you're wrong. Apple phones handle like shit, i hate how there's only 1 way to change anything i don't like about the phones, i HATE there being only 1 button, and its tech is generations behind android every time, although i presume the software is 'better'.

Also AMD outperforms intel in every metric and there is no reason to buy intel unless you're poor and wanting to save a buck.

Imagine shilling for the Nike's of phones, cringe. Never post again retard.

>>106626506
Hold down the power button until the computer turns off.

>>106626514
this happens every time after i shut it down for like 3 months now

>>106626561
Dude, just give me a reason to send a report.

>>106626586
Is "this post is extremely low quality" an option for /g/ reports?

>>SSD
>>Budget: SN7100, NM790
what happened for the lexar nvme to be added to the op recs?
did it not die after the phison whoopsie doodle?

>>106626631
>phison whoopsie doodle
QRD?

>>106626514
saar please help me saar pleasseee
captcha: SAR4K

>>106626631
>>106626637
Affected drives were using pre-production firmware.
https://www.guru3d.com/story/phison-prerelease-firmware-linked-to-ssd-failures-not-microsoft-patch/

Ok this is heresy but what is the best pre-built options I can do for max budget being 3k?
I know this is pc build thread but I have two toddlers, a rambunctious dog, two curious cats and only space to build this would be my garage workspace that has no a/c.

My last pc was an aurora r9 and I had genuinely no problems with it.

>>106626657
Thermal Take, Star Forge, and Origin PCs is some of the better ones according to Gamers Nexus.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsuVSmND84QuM2HKzG7ipbIbE_R5EnCLM

Any downsides to mini itx build? Seems like you can use normal, off the shelf components for those. The only downside is 2 ram slots (but nobody uses 4 anyway) and less traces from cpu

>>106626722
Expensive. Hot. Noisy.

>>106626657
It takes like 20 minutes to assemble a pc, wtf

>>106626746
Every one i know who's built one has it laid out on a desk.for a weekend at minimum

>>106626766
I built my first pc last month with 0 experience and it took me 1h30m, and I had to do it all with a shitty aliexpress mini screwdriver

>>106626766
those people are retards, even if you were doing a YouTube video of your building experience or checking all the manuals as you are building, it would be like 6-8 hours max (and im overshooting the estimate), or if you really just wanna take a lot of breaks it would be 3 days at worst
just shut your kids and pets out of the garage, clean it completely the day before and build the damn pc, if you want to be more prepared then watch tutorials and read all your components manuals beforehand
im saying this because even with 3k, you'd be spending between 500 to 1000 extra for the service fee when you could maximize the value and strength of your components by doing it yourself
at the end of the day, its your money anon, do with it what you want and think its best

>>106626657
Does your house not have any doors? Tell your wife you need 2 hours alone and lock the door. Problem solved.

>>106626756
>>106626728
Absolute nonsense that’s true for mini pcs, not mini itx
>>106626722
mobos are more expensive for what you’re getting. So are cases but you can find reasonably priced ones. heat isn’t an issue as long as you use a mid-tier gpu and undervolt, I use 4070ti and it’s fine

>>106625024 (OP)
Is there any reason to pick 5060 8gb over 9060 16gb? Even if the Nvidia is worse supposedly on paper? Maybe Nvidia's drivers or whatever is better that it trump's even better AMD cards? Or it really is black and white and 9060 16gb is straight up better in everything?

>>106626912
People in tiktok and youtube short comments will look down on you

>>106626912
>5060 8gb over 9060 16gb
9060 competes with 5070, not 5060. There is no situation where 5060 makes sense over 9060 unless you somehow need cuda on a budget gpu (you don’t)

>>106626937
>9060 competes with 5070
No it doesn't retard. That's the 9070 you're thinking of.
>>106626912
You get DLSS and everything under that umbrella now. Other than that no not really.
What would be better is the 5060ti or 5070

I finally was able to go a full intel + intel build
>14400f + b580

Fuck Win11
I had to sacrifice PCIe 5.0 to get a B650 board for Wifi 6e instead of Wifi 7 which is Win11 only.

>>106627144
Was there no appropriate board with M.2 wi-fi, so you could change the wi-fi card yourself?

I have an AIO with 3 fans on the radiator, but one of them is grinding and has to be replaced. The problem is that these fans are no longer available. Can I replace the one fan for another brand fan (Noctua for example), or is it better to replace all three of them due to some issue or whatever the fuck I am overlooking? I already know how to do it since the pump comes with a breakout cable that controls all 3 fans, just trying to figure out how much it'll cost me.

>>106626766
outside of the 3 radiators i put in the case prior to gpu release, this computer got put together by 9pm the day that the 9070 xt was released and that included the nap i took after i got home from microcenter. as you can see this photo was time stamped midnight that night after it was already loaded into an os

Do you think Nvidia will release a 5090 Ti along with the 5070/80 super cards?

>>106627266
that'd be a waste of silicon they could put into an AI gpu instead. Why would they bother offering idiots like you what you want when they could make more money off tech firms?

>>106627144
Run linux or get a USB/PCI-e/M.2 WiFi card nigga wtf (then again, PCIe 5.0 isnt that much better than 4.0 atm, maybe next gen of GPUs will make it truly matter, still wouldnt buy anything new without it)

>>106627266
Only if there's leftover GB202 dies.
The 3090 Ti was released because the 6900 XT put up a fight against the 3090, and AMD had a 6950 XT mid-gen refresh.

>>106627209
You can slap anything on there even if they are daisy chained PWM, PWM is a common analogue technique so theres no compatibility issues. Personally I would replace all the fans though, if one shat itself the others are likely going to do so too, everything is built to break now and fan 5 packs are cheap

>>106627209
might be different rpm but its not going to explode

>>106627409
Yeh, these are 500, the one I want to get is 450. But the rotationspeed for the current ones is like 1500, new one has it on 2000. I could always replace the other two if there are drastic temp shifts or anything. I just want to stop this rattling noise.

>be me 2014
>want to play Watch_Dogs as a stopgap until GTA 5 comes out
>it runs like dogshit on my Intel HD 4600
>be me 2015
>get an R7 260
>still runs like dogshit because only 4 gigs of RAM
>be me 2018
>get an RX 570 and 12GB of RAM
>still runs like dogshit because the CPU is just an i5-4440
>be me 2020
>get a whole ass new PC with a 1660S
>still runs like ass sometimes because the 1660S isn't powerful enough to hit 1080p60@Ultra with smooth frametimes in a 2014 PS4 launch title apparently
>play for a couple of hours then quit because the stuttering is too annoying
>be me 2025
>finally have a PC that can run Watch_Dogs flawlessly
>5070 baby let's go finally current year technology
>ultra graphics 1440p 144+ FPS hell yeah
>the game looks very dated and visually unimpressive, and the gameplay and controls (especially driving) have aged terribly on KB&M
I guess even a powerful PC isn't the solution to having fun with games, huh... jealous of all the PS4 havers who played this as god intended back in 2014 and loved it...

>>106625258
I tried a couple times to update from 537.58 and every single time it causes problems and I roll back. That driver came out in October 2023. It's been almost two years since Nvidia has had a stable driver.
Pathetic for a trillion dollar company selling GPUs at exorbitant prices like they are.

is it silly to upgrade my 3070 to a 5070 super/5070 ti super when it comes out? using a 5600x cpu

>>106627186
No, not below 200 bucks, microATX

>>106627358
There is only
ASUS TUF Gaming B850M-Plus II and it has no m2 2230 slot, and if I use the 2nd PCIe slot, it will block the airflow of the GPU, like it would fuck it up.

Which leaves me with only those retarded USB wifi sticks, which would be fine by me, but none of them has the Intel wifi chip.

>>106627543
Forgot to mention...almost all the boards below 200 and have B850 chipset are from ASROCK...what a coincidence.

Surely has nothing to do with those boards all frying the CPUs.

>>106627518
If you can I would wait a bit longer, one more generation will give you much better results. By then you could upgrade your cpu and gpu and have something that will last you a long time.

>>106627486
Except BF6 causes driver crashes on AMD cards as well.
Being stuck in that old of a display driver means you're out of your depth.

>>106627518
>is it silly to upgrade my 3070 to a 5070 super/5070 ti super
You're going to be waiting until early next year at minimum, if you're not in drastic need of a new gpu you might as well wait until next gen. Will be a better generation than blackwell.
Same with am4, might as well wait for new sockets before an upgrade at this point.

>>106627576
>>106627607
im starving but you guys are right..

>>106627518
It's pointless. You can always lower graphics settings or use (more) upscaling but you cant weasel your way around a cpu bottleneck

I literally called the intel and nvidia "merger" several months ago

>>106627617
You're in much better shape than me I'm still rocking a 960. We're all gonna make it brother, don't let them break you.

>>106627626
I just woke up what happened?

>>106627661
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/processors/intel-and-nvidia-announce-stunning-plans-to-combine-their-cpu-and-gpu-products-for-both-consumer-pcs-and-ai-servers-with-nvidia-taking-a-usd5-billion-stake-in-intel/

tldr trump most definitely forced nvidia to do this
this also means rest in piss arc

>>106627668
Hmm I would like to think this might mean good things for consumers but it never does. Oh well, I love my cyberpunk dystopia.

>>106627682
it's being done purely to keep intel alive and it likely won't matter for enthusiast pc builders, you will more than likely see this stuff in laptops

>>106625763
I have one but it doesn't fit any aib 5090s without modifying the case. FE impossible to get still while zotac pny MSI had been available for msrp

>>106627617
If you really feel like you need a new gpu, maybe look for deals on the 5070. Online we've already seen some of the models go on sale for like $500. Go to your local walmart and check out the pcgaming section, mine has had pretty heavily discounted 5070/tis + 5090 like all year, last week they had a pny 5070 sitting on the shelf for like $450ish.

>>106627599
Is this RNA shit or just normal shitty AMD drivers?

>>106627854
No clear answer. BF6 is unstable, and there are reports that the RX 9000 tends to boost too hard at stock settings and cause instabilities.
OS & performance fixes by game devs are more impactful updates than new display drivers in the DX12 era of PC gaming.

>>106625684
it goes UNDER the rug

Today I played two games and had zero stutter, I think I've finally made it, bros.

>>106625684
Move out of your babushka's place, Ivan.

>>106627543
>it will block the airflow of the GPU, like it would fuck it up.
How did we get to this level of paranoia?

>>106628013
Now play any UE5 game.

Is getting an X3D cpu really an actual upgrade for 1440p and 4k? feel like my 7600x is already doing quite nicely

>>106625024 (OP)
Main build is
i7 8700
H310m mobo
16gb ram

Also have the following pieces to build a 2nd PC for my nephew
Ryzen 5 2600
B450M

Do those mobos use the same ram? As in, can I take my 16gb ram, put it into that 2nd build then just grab 32gb for my computer? Or is that a waste and I'm better off sticking to 16gb for the 2nd build or even getting 32gb for it instead?

>>106628189
for anything other than maybe a 5090, no

>>106628189
Yes and no. On paper it's an upgrade, in practice it's mostly worth it for high FPS competitive gaymang like CS/Valo

>>106628189
it would mostly help with 1% lows

>>106625442
So here are the stats from techpowerup:

SN7100 2TB
Idle Power Draw: 1.1 W
Avg Power Draw: 2.4 W
Max Power Draw: 3.7 W
Sequential Read: 7,250 MB/s
Random Read: 1,000,000 IOPS

SN8100 2TB
Idle Power Draw: 1.4 W
Avg Power Draw: 4.2 W
Max Power Draw: 7.5 W
Sequential Read: 14,900 MB/s
Random Read: 2,300,000 IOPS

It's tough to decide.

>>106628189
More cache certainly helps lower resolutions and halo GPUs. But some games get a boost regardless. Like Asian MMOs.

does anyone else have temperaturtism? I get really obsessed with the temperatures guys I want them as low as possible even if they're already low

>>106628258
Get the SN7100 if you don't need the SN8100's better performance.
DRAMless SN7100 already passed the Nipponese SSD FUD.

>>106628368
Downclock the stock boost frequency to the most power-efficient levels.

First time builder, should I get a anti-static bracelet? Been reading loads of tidbits about common mistakes (like RAM placement etc). Is there anything else I am guaranteed to fuck up?

>>106628368
yes I always run hwinfo64 sensors in the background. if you're overclocking ram or putting in a hot gpu you don't want those sticks to get more than 60c or you start getting errors.

Is this amd's secret weapon?

I know people will always recommend building your own, but I'm half curious if computers like these are even competently made. Usually bad cable management, cheaping out somewhere like the motherboard or only having the 16GB of RAM here, and they don't tell you enough details. And of course this exact model is missing from Skytech's own site seemingly.

>>106625024 (OP)
>Intel Arc Pro B50 has already become the best-selling workstation GPU on Newegg
waiting for the B60.

>>106628900
>Max Memory Size 12 GB
lmao

>>106628900
RDNA3 is still alive baby
FSR4 on Windows and Linux
Finally hitting 3ghz boost clock with new drivers

>>106628949
I bought a prebuilt during the coof cause GPUs were sold out at the time and people recd you just buy a prebuilt and it was competently assembled, your mileage may vary. At the time the premium on a prebuild was so low, I think I paid 50€ over what I would've paid for the parts, nowadays its more like 500€

Thinking about returning the MSI B650M Mortar board, because the

>ASUS TUF Gaming B850M-Plus II

now available.

It has PCIe 5.0 x16, and also the ALC1220 which simply worked. Browsing through the net, I am a bit concerned about the ALC 4080 now.

>>106625258
Join team red, the drivers just work meaning you'll have more time for fun & games and productivity rather than constantly trouble shooting Nigvidia shit.

>>106628949
>I know people will always recommend building your own
I prefer using already existed Dell Lenovo and Gateway cases to have a sort of sleeper look so long as there's not to many weird annoying propriety design features that get in the way. I hate modern RGB lit gaymer PC aesthetics.

>>106629007
>waiting for the B60.
Buy a B50 now an enjoy it then upgrade to B60 and give your old GPU to a friend or family member or just sell it used on OfferUp or whatever.

I'm buying a laptop for work. It will be a windows machine.
I will dual boot that shit, so it must be capable to run 2 ssds.
My desktop is a r7 98003xd, so I just want the laptop be powerful enough for programing, remote work, youtube and animus. I will go for a budget tier AMD.
I want to know how much ram I will need too, I will not be playing heavy games on it, but I want my laptop fast too. So 16GB, 24GB or 32GB?

I saw brands like Asus, Dell, Lenovo, etc.
Which one of them would you recommend?
What should I be aware of?

>>106629024
Does rdna3 have anything to offer raster gamers?

It seems like the 6950xt was the last real gamer card ever made.

>>106625258
huh, maybe install the latest drivers.

>>106629187
>for work
kys work-haver

>>106629280
Dual Issue CU
applications are finally making use of it

good evening niggers, i am currently on linux mint and helldivers 2 is running a little poopy. even before i switched from win11 i struggled to get 60fps on 2k with a 3060ti and an r5 5600x. i am starting to have my doubts about this card being good for 2k. i've also been told that my cpu could be causing a bottleneck but i don't know. help me figure this out cause there's no fucking way a shitty ps4 game is assblasting my system like this. 40 fps even down to 30 with barely anything happening on screen.

>>106629389
>2k
Anything above 1080p is a meme.

>>106629389
at 1080p does your fps improve? then you will know if it's a cpu or gpu bottleneck

>>106629414
at 1080p it improves by quite a lot

>>106629415
then you have your answer, it's the gpu, you probably get heavily cpu limited at diff6 and above though

An extremely hooded out nigger gave me a 4090 for $300, works so far.
How much do I sell this for?

>>106628824
if you take the proper precautions of grounding yourself periodically its unnecessary

>>106629528
Tree Fiddy

Looking to upgrade my monitor
>27inch OLED, not sure if WOLED or QD-OLED
>1440p
>240hz+, preferably 360hz
>preferably glossy finish
>$650 budget

>>106629187
Getting pretty late around here, so dunno how much I can assist rn. Still, here are some things to consider.
> display
What size, resolution, and hz do you want?
Resolution also implies an aspect ratio. 16:10 is often a good choice, being very close to 16:9 for content consumption, but also slightly taller to benefit browsing/office stuff/programming.
Then there's display type. IPS might be better for programming/browsing/other text things, OLED is usually superior for gaming & content consumption.
Might also wanna think about glossy/non-glossy panels, as well as color accuracy.
Lastly, do you envision yourself connecting it to an external monitor much of the time? If so, the laptop display may matter less, being only used as a secondary screen.
> budget
How much are you looking to spend, roughly?
Obvs, if you find a cheaper machine that would work well, you can always spend less. If your employer is paying for it tho, might as well get as much machine as you can.
> battery life & bulk
Are you gonna plug it in most of the time, or will using it on battery be a common occurrence?
Will you be lugging it around a lot, or just between rooms of the same place, or else just between home and work?
> programing, remote work
How heavy are these? If it's just medium-intensity compiling and office work, you probs won't need a recent high-end 45w CPU or whatever.
On the other hand, if you're frequently compiling Chromium, or handling hueg spreadsheets, a stronger CPU might be helpful.

After my [product] gets here I'll tell everyone why they also should get one, since it's discontinued.

>>106629652
Not many glossy WOLEDs at that price range, look for discounted QD-OLED monitors (240/360Hz).
Alienware AW2725D is probably the better $500~600 QD-OLED monitor.
Samsung G61SD 240Hz is an alternative; MSI appears to have a lot of 240Hz QD-OLED monitors near $500 but MSI has the stricter panel protection routines (can't disable pixel shift and other quirks).

If you're okay with matte WOLED, wait for the new Gigabyte monitor.
https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/gigabyte-mo27q28g-4th-gen-woled-release-date-and-pricing-confirmed

test

>>106630031
>someones getting rangebanned

>>106629810
[PRODUCT] comes TOMORROW!!!

Retard first timer here. I heard cpu coolers already come with some thermal paste in the box for you to apply or preapplied. I'm not seeing anything in the box though, is there any preapplied in pic related?
Cooler is Deepcool ak400 and cpu is a ryzen 9600x

>>106630053
that looks like paste, touch it and see what it is. What are you retarded or some shit?

>>106630053
test it on a rabbit. If the rabbit cries, then you are BASTE and it is thermal paste.

>>106630058
I'm not sure if I was supposed to do that, but I guess that confirms it is paste.

>>106630053
That's probably legit garbage. I would absolutely never trust oem stock paste.For a few years some manufactures were shipping thermal pads that ran hot as fuck.

>>106630080
Where's the rabbit?

>>106630080
Underaged looking hand, mods ban this child please

>>106630087
Sorry I don't like seeing bunnies cry

Building a passively cooled PC with this DB4 case. Can't think of anything higher spec for it than an 8700g, mini ITX motherboard, 128gb ddr5 6000/30cl, their zf240w psu, 2tb nvme. I don't play any crazy advanced games, just WoW, and would mainly use it to fuck around with LLM's/CV(yolo, ultralytics), etc.

I have a norbauer Heavy 9 keyboard and an Eizo CS270 so it all fits in thes aesthetic if anyone has a good wireless mouse recommendation too.

Built my new PC build for 8 hours today as a complete first time builder, and i still need to finish a bit more wiring before i can boot >.>.. fuck me it was exhausting, but also very fun! the hours flew by so fucking fast wtf.

things that would've made my life easier: not mounting the top exhaust fan until after plugging in the cpu power connector, that top left spot was so insanely tight, same with the cpu_fan connector that was so damn near the thermalright fans, also HOLYYY i think i used 2 hours just to get the motherboard inside, tried it with 3 different screw sets until i found the correct ones, tightening 8 different ones one by one, then some wouldnt tighten so had to take them all out to recheck if that one spot was bad or wtf it was, if i tightened too much it would just get too lose again, chatgpt said it was normal for motherboard screws to be like that. then after not getting anywhere when the screws was too lose i started checking the other screw packs that came with the case, the 3rd pack was superdamn easy to tighten and wouldnt 'reset' if i went too hard.

left to do:
front panel wiring, usb wiring, audio wiring and 5x fans + rgb
wanted to be really thorough so tomorrow should be a good day:')

>>106625763
for me, it's the PCCOOLER I100

>>106630222
I really wanna do a FormD but ALL THE PARTS I NEED ARE NOT IN STOCK.

why do AMD poodeon fanboys not talk about poodeon horrendous efficiency ewaste?

>>106630053
>>106630080
classic /pcbg/ moment

>>106630053
>>106630080
You're supposed to eat that stuff, it's a snack provided for you while you are working on building your pc.

are full copper thermalrights really that much better that the normies? $15 dollar difference

>>106630125
well done so far, anon
you sound just like me a week ago
it's definitely bizarrely exhausting to keep running into dead ends that you have to stop and try to research when you don't even know what you're looking for

if you're not sure about anything going forward, just ask the thread

>>106627450
The original was great, don't get the second one lol

>>106630305
anon, please don't post parasite carrying disease vectors in the pc building thread; thanks.

>>106630331
YOU'RE a disease vector

>over $1700 after taxes
Is there really a justification?
Who would pay a $600 premium for an 80 class card?

>>106630288
lookin to get the 5800x for my final AM4 upgrade since I can't find x3d chips at a reasonable price, thinking of getting the AXP90-X53

>>106630417
at that price point you may as well make the jump to a 5090

>>106630288
if you're doing sff and are space constrained sure

>>106630428
5800Xs degrade.
That's why they were silently replaced with the 5700X.

Intel Arc will cease
Nvidia Arc will replace it
What role will it play in the product stack? Iunno.

>>106630388
I'm not, and in my state (and almost every state) you my legally remove as many pests as you want.

When will GPUs get small again?

>>106630477
what do you mean? should I just get the 5700x?

Any real reason to go from a 7950X3D to 9950X3D?

>>106630502
You feel an obsessive need to post your system specs in forum signatures to win the e-peen measuring contest?

>>106630490
Yes.
High boost zen 3s degrade like intel cpus just not as fast and dramatic.

>>106630489
possums aren't pests, they eat pests and are generally pretty chill

Never.

>>106630533
holy based and opossumpilled

>>106630519
yea I just saw some reviews, small performance difference for damn near half the wattage at stock, would really help cooling since I'm on a mini ITX, might also save me about 30 bucks which would almost cover the cooler I plan on getting. Thought the 5700 was a better 5600 before this exchange, thx anon

>>106630553
Careful, 5700X and 5700 are completely different. You want the X version, the other one is a crappy laptop cpu.

>>106630580
got it, just sayin I thought they were six cores like the 5600, local vendor doesn't hold any 5700s anyway

>>106630533
SSSSSSSSssssSSSSSSSSsss

>>106625024 (OP)
What's the most power efficient build?
I read that Intel consumes less energy on idle, is that true?

>top case fans
>2 of them above CPU air cooler
>both exhaust
>now people are saying to make one intake
>a top fan fucking intake
>hot air rises WTF

>>106630657
yes intel is a bit better for idle power
245k is decent all around efficiency

>>106630667
Passive convection hardly matters with active cooling

>>106630681
Silently nuking your ntfs partitions wow great job intel

they seriously never unfucked their chips and they are still disappearing folders.

>>106625155
abolish IP
>>106626458
Itoddlers BTFO

>>106630667
Remove it. You don't want a low pressure zone in front of your cpu cooler.

>>106630688
cool, can you cool a RTX 5090 down then?
Picrel is the ideal high end card design

>>106630695
china can't make a videocard.

>>106625024 (OP)
so which of the two budget ssd would last longer?
the sn7100 or the nm790?
they are about the same price in my country

>>106626445
amd is perfect for gorgeous looks and big booms
>submitted 5 hours ago https://old.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1nko2bt/9800x3d_dead_after_13_days_asrock_x870_bios/
>submitted 2 hours ago https://old.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1nks1gn/9800x3d_b650e_steel_legend_bios_340_another/
>https://old.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1njlpqi/9700x_dead_b850_steel_legend/
>https://old.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1niv342/i_think_my_7600x_died/
>why did you redeem the assrock benchod?
>because it's the most popular brand for amd mobos

>>106630802
technically the nm790 has a higher tbw rating but its probably a tossup

>>106630802
They're both TLC so durability will be about the same. Of course in client use the controller usually dies first. Here the Lexar is using an off-the-shelf Maxio chip which is /maybe/ more "proven" but it's not like WD has issues with dying controllers.

>>106630608
yeah that's all they do, and if that doesn't work, they pretend to be dead.

>>106625024 (OP)
What's the best cheapest case that can fit an matx board (even willing to go full size case btw). Just for a 2nd build I'm thinking of having with spare parts

Thinking of a thermaltake h18 or h24. Wee they any good for an older gaming PC parts or is there something cheaper?

>>106630900
Go to website and sort by price.

I boughted MSI X870
My 9800 has not bought the farm
I am happy with my non-overthrift choice

>>106630900
If you live near a recycling center you can probably pick one up for ≈free. Might need to buy standoffs etc. but you're looking at <$20 all-in. Also worth checking local classifieds.

>>106630489
>When will GPUs get small again?
when you stick to midrange or get very specific vendors

>>106630900
Best+cheapest is def the h18. It's got good airflow. Plus a gay little window so you can blow kisses at your gpu.

ATT: schizos

How do I make a faraday cage for my pc to block 5g from hacking my cpu?

>3700X

I-it's still g-good.

>>106631081
just dont get a glass side panel

Radeon xisters (no nvidichuds allowed) what is the hardest you have been able to push your 9070 XT? Pic related is the best I have been able to do with my Asus Prime and the side panel off with a fan blowing in air under the card from the side. 2800 mhz on memory, -125 offset, and +10% max power limit. Average core temp of 44 degrees.

>>106631105
It's probably fine when paired with anything up to a 9070 or 5070.

>>106630952
>Also worth checking local classifieds.
what year do you think it is?

>>106630834
>>106630838
apparently that lexar has 2 versions, one with a phison controller and one with a maxio
how can I distinguish the two? icant find info on that
or would it not matter which controller it has?

Who is your favorite vendor for motherboards?

>ASrock
>ASUS
>GIGABYTE
>MSI
>SAPPHIRE

>>106631147
Gigabyte
ASRock for value boards (not AM5 though)

Is AOC G3 Q27G3XMN/BK a good 1440p monitor? Bunch of people kept glazing it,but no idea if it's actually warranted or just undeserved

5800X and X3Ds degrade? what about 7800X/9800X and X3Ds?

>>106631147
msi seems the least shit, it also has the thicker pcbs
gigabyte is also good but has only bare minimum headers on their boards
either way, x870 boards were a mistake

Think jewvidia will actually give us a GPU with good VRAM?

>>106631227
Wheres the 96GB AMD card?

>>106631147
Not Gigglebit, which likes (repeatedly) "revising" mobos to use lower-priced components, without really changing the name.
Otherwise, pick your poison:
Asus has nice BIOS, but tends to cost more than others. (Except maybe at the high end, which tends to cost you regardless of vendor)
ASRock tends to offer a little more hardware than others, but BIOS feels somewhat amateur-ish.
MSI is somewhere in between the other two. Sometimes, they also offer a vast array of (slightly) different boards.

>>106631178
>Is AOC G3 Q27G3XMN/BK a good 1440p monitor? Bunch of people kept glazing it,but no idea if it's actually warranted or just undeserved
The AOC Q27G40XMN replaces it with a higher color gamut panel with more dimming zones for better contrast and less blooming.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/aoc-q27g3xmn-vs-aoc-q27g40xmn/41611/97969
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDOybDnJ9cM

Essentially if you aren't bothered by VA's dark smearing but want a decent HDR experience without having the money for a budget OLED it's a good choice.

>>106631222
>either way, x870 boards were a mistake

QRD?

What are currently the best overall SSDs, SATA SSDs, and SATA HDDs?

>>106631279
segate ssds
samsung sata
wd hdd

>>106631249
Thanks , I'm a complete brainlet when it comes to monitors, only ever used some generic 1080p monitors,but since I got cash now I though I'd upgrade but everything sounded like gibberish.

>>106625401
Tomahawk. I own one

>>106631274
usb4 means one less nvme slot

>>106631297
>Thanks , I'm a complete brainlet when it comes to monitors, only ever used some generic 1080p monitors,but since I got cash now I though I'd upgrade but everything sounded like gibberish.
What's your budget?

>>106631307
About 500, the monitor was on Amazon for about 320 rn

>>106625525
My msi just does the refresh thing now when I power it off. Best 1k I ever spent.

>>106631274
the usbc as anon said, and the lane bifurcation is horrible on x870/e boards, and even msi x870 suffer from instability despite being the one brand that leaves most nvme and the gpu unmolested in that chipset bracket

>>106631313
>About 500, the monitor was on Amazon for about 320 rn
In that case I strongly recommend an OLED.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/tools/compare/msi-mpg-271qrx-qd-oled-vs-aoc-q27g40xmn/47131/97969
^Same panel as below just w/240Hz instead of 360hz and cheaper
https://www.amazon.com/MSI-MAG-271QP-QD-OLED-X24/dp/B0DYQNDQQW
Even the cheapest worst OLED is better than the best LCD at any price. Compared to the VA-based AOCs, they have much wider viewing angles (no color/brightness shift when viewed off-center), better blacks/shadow detail without any blooming since they are emissive displays that don't require dimming zones, perfect motion response (no dark smearing) and don't have any pixel overshoot for clearer images, and much better color gamut & saturation.

If you want until November Black Friday I expect there will probably be sales in $400-450 range.

>>106629007
>waiting for the B60
Is the Intel graphics division even going to exist long enough to release it?
>>106631147
MSI, Gigabyte, Asus are all fine in my experience. I know nothing about Sapphire's motherboards. Had an ASSCock X670E board die randomly a few weeks ago while throwing up error codes like it had murdered my processor's memory controller (it hadn't). The first motherboard I've ever had fail in decades of building computers. So fuck them.

>>106631374
>>106631274
What is the difference between x570, x670e, and x870e?

>>106630428
Full Copper is worth it for the AXP90 coolers. Get the X53 unless it's going to be really close to the side of the case or something, that turbulence noise drives me crazy which is why I have the X47 instead.

>>106631389
x570 was the flagship AM4 chipset. See pic for x670e vs x870e.

>>106631134
Not really. They're both commodity controllers with good performance and reliable track records.

>>106631389
>lane count
>pcie gen versions
>vrm
>amount of nvme and pcie slots
>lane bifurcation
>heatsinks
>headers/connectors
>diagnostics
>uefi features
>compatibility
>stability
when you actually give a fuck about the motherboard you'll use it becomes a back and forth to decide what you really need, what you want and whats offered (in other words, never-ending autistic research)

>>106631405
Who is even using 8 sata ports?

>>106631446
Me actually.

>>106628181
Actually played WuWa and it's fucking shit. I wouldn't really mind the traversal stutter, because I can accept that they can't solve it, fine, but the lack of fullscreen mode disengages Freesync and it becomes a stuttering mess, no matter the graphics. That game only runs nicely if the monitor refresh rate and FPS perfectly matches + vsync. This causes fuckhuge input lag, but at least it looks nice. Or I can use AMD's FRTC cap, but that also adds some delay. There's no solution to this garbage optimization.

>>106631451
Bro.. what for?

>>106631279
>Best overall
9100 Pro, close second being the slew of E26- or MAP1082-based drives.Special mention to Optane while you can still find used models.
>Best SATA
One of MX500, WD Blue, or 870 Evo. Whatever is still in stock.
>Best HDD
Probably WD Gold but you're asking the wrong question on this one.

>>106631443
>when you actually give a fuck about the motherboard you'll use it becomes a back and forth to decide what you really need, what you want and whats offered (in other words, never-ending autistic research)

When did NVMe slots become standard to motherboards and when did they increase to 4?

>>106631480
Data hoarding + Mirroring Backups

>gtx 1080
>x570 gaming X (the x stands for X-treme )
>3700X (don't know what the X stands for here)

god where do I even start?
I think mobo is the way to go for the AM5 cpus but then I'd either have to go for a new CPU then and there or just have a mobo sitting around collecting dust.
Just looks more and more like a totally new PC time but that shit spenny

>>106631496
Save up and build a whole new PC. Sell the 1080 for like 50-100 bucks.

>>106631486
>when did they increase to 4?
not nearly enough

>>106631496
Simplest thing would be to get a modern GPU (9070 or 5070 would be fine) and see how you like the gaming improvements. If you're satisfied no need to spend anymore upgrading your platform, but if framerates aren't where you want them to be then worry about what new CPU/Mobo/Ram. Or see about some bundle deals for Black Friday in November.

What can we expect from 11800X3D?

>>106631526
5% boost for $550 msrp, best i can give ya

>>106631405
What was the reaction to AM4 in 2017?

>>106631536
>spending GPU money on a CPU
eSports cucks will tell you they NEED it for their 1% lows

>>106631496
You're almost in my ballpark, though I had a GTX 1070, on an H170-PRO with an i7-6700. I upgraded to an RTX 2080 Super and put two more sticks of RAM in but like a retard that had no idea what he was doing, they were 8 gig sticks so my third stick is probably actually making problems I wasn't even aware of all these years. Now shit's just getting untenable for most modern games, and it's probably any combination of most of my hardware besides the GPU, so I may as well get a total computer refresh too.
Yet shit just escalates up to the better part of $1.1k just considering an RX 9060 XT, R5 9600X and all the other standard components. If I actually wanted a "relatively" high end like a 9070 base, that shoots up fast. And it's probably not gonna get any better soon.

>>106631626
those millisecs are life and death, every milliseconds count in hardcore competitive gaming, one wrong flick and you are dead kiddo, and this happened because your fps dropped to 400 from 700.
Hardcore.
Gaming.

>>106631536
The Zen 5% thing was a result of most optimizations being server focused. That doesn't mean Zen 6 will have huge uplift like there was between 3 and 4. But it's more likely.
>>106631578
>What was the reaction to AM4 in 2017?
Initially, I don't think most people believed that AMD would pull off their predictions of rapid improvements in IPC and overall performance.

>>106631639
fuarkkk pro gaymer-sama I kneel

>>106631666
Zen 6 will up the core-count per CCD, revamp the IOD which should improve latency, along with any associated IPC gains. I expect a healthy bump. Now Zen 7 might be a bust like Zen 5 was for consumer use.

>>106625024 (OP)
What do you co sider to be "forever" cases?

Id say the antec 300 and tj08-e

Antec 300 just weeks

Tj08-e just makes senss with Easy access filters

>>106631666
Zen6 will increase the ccx size to 12 cores and 48mb L3 or 144mb L3 with vcache
The core count increase alone should help tons in ue5 slop that runs on 12+ threads and the added L3 will further improve performance in memory heavy games

>>106631626
some newer games are pretty heavy on the cpu (helldivers and mhwilds comes to mind)

I was going to buy a 9700X but the 9900X is only 10 euro more. Am I better off getting the 9900X? It's only for gaming, not work.

>>106631578
Zen 1 was fairly disappointing and didn’t instantly defeat Intel, I still remember people calling gamers nexus an intel shill and sending them death threats because they didn’t have an extremely glowing review of zen 1

>>106631845
2080 Super anon from above here, Helldivers 2 uses like 20-30% of my GPU most of the time. It's actually disgusting how reliant the game is on CPU when enemy and NPC AI isn't even very complex, it's just seemingly processing a lot of shit like the destructible terrain and particles and masses of hell going everywhere. I dunno if volumetric fog affected by dynamic lighting is supposed to be GPU or CPU, but the sheer density doesn't help that either. Other things are probably also holding me back like no gaming SSD, just a HDD, but that game is just inexplicably taxing that even top of the line PCs are getting performance problems nowadays due to increasingly bad optimization.

>>106631866
9900X is effectively a 9600X in gaming, there’s no reason to touch it for a gaming only machine

>>106631877
So bigger number doesn't equal better? Oh well, save 10 euro it is

I rarely upgrade my machine but I'm getting tired of my 500GB NVMe M.2 drives. Maybe I'll just buy a 2TB one, or whatever make it 2x2TB so that I won't have to delete stuff anymore to make space for something else. Also wondering if this is the right time to switch to ZFS, I'm using XFS atm and it has no support for snapshotting like ZFS does, nor for any redundancy AFAIK. ZFS just seems fucking superior and the best choice, instant snapshots and mirroring and raid.

>>106631896
It's basically two 9600s in one chip, but games only use one of them, because of latency. Using both means waiting some ms for them to talk to eachother, reducing framerates.

my ThinkPad has a samsung RAM stick and I want to a add another one, however the same model is no longer available, so I checked online and found that crucial (micron) has RAM sticks available for my laptop model (E14 Gen 6), the specs are same - DDR5 5600Mhz CL46, it will work right?

So after reading trough the thread, if I use the same software constantly for hours, and love leaving my PC on all the time, I should just get an IPS over an OLED to not get burn in?
I was leaning towards an oled since they apparently have better contrast and its going to be a work and gaming machine, but I don't want taskbars burnt into my screen when I game.
I assume that is the correct conclusion?

Imagine a timeline where devs actually optimized their games

should i buy nvidia or amd for a 1080 card?

>>106631940
as someone who swapped from IPS to VA with a Samsung Odyssey G7, even taskbars, browser stuff and the like can burn in on IPS if it stays stationary for too long, so you have to be wary of that. i was actually seeing taskbar burn in after several years of use, not thinking much about it til i finally noticed. it's just one of those things you have to work in mind with depending on activity regardless of screen type, and probably shift around your browser to windowed to change some positioning, flip the task bar to minimized until mouse over and flipping sides with it, an animated desktop background with few static pixels, etc

>>106631921
SIR DO NOT MIX THE SODIMMS!!! BASTERD BICH

>>106631971
Well I get that, but I would rather burn in the toolbars of my software after years of use, and not months of use. So I guess I am just trying to delay the inevitable as much as possible.

>>106631969
>considering Nvidia
>in almost 2026
Lol

I think I am ready to start buying parts now. Thoughts?

>>106631969
AMD will give you better power and thermals overall and the 9060 by itself (XT and/or 16GB recommended) can clear that hurdle with grace outside of very specific NVIDIA focused titles (Black Myth Wukong) or attempting raytracing. At least, if 60 FPS is your minimum target. NVIDIA is just price inflated and kinda either inept for what their range is around that by comparison, or gross overkill for 1080p. If you're all about that DLSS and RTX then yeah, whatever, Nvid, but value for dollar that only really starts coming into play at 1440p up for the conflict.
I'd say the Intel GPU line isn't terrible either for value to performance in that resolution bracket, but not really easy to recommend those, especially with NVIDIA potentially intruding on their stake now.

>>106631986
Looks good except for the vga. I'd say wait till you can afford at least a 5070ti. No point in all that gear like the tomahawk if you're going to put a 30 series in it

>>106631986
Dude, the meshify is great. I got the XL because I have space for it, and the cable management and installation was a treat.

>>106631974
give proper answer sirs

>>106632020
Oh that's my friend's so I will buy a better GPU when I can. It's for free and much better than what I have now.
>>106632048
Nice

thoughts on Lancool 207, i hear a 160mm power supply might have issues fitting in with the cable without a tight bend, but the Digital version and solid fans packed with it tempt me.

>muh gaming machines
>muh 9800X3D

Can it handle UE5?

Check mate.

>>106632090
Ofc it can. Just use DLSS and frame gen, and you can game at a buttery smooth 30fps. The human eye can't see past 15 anyway.

>>106631986
t30 120mm should be more performant than the noctua, can consider that if it is cheaper
and x3d if it's for gaming

>>106632004
what? AMD cards are less efficient overall, you retard

>>106631720
Original NR200 is still my all time favorite case not just ITX. You can find them for under $80 all the time, easy to build in, fits an NH-D12L or PA120 or even a 280mm AIO... Fuck, I wanna buy one now just to have it before it gets phased out. The V2 and V3 versions were both progressively worse, the only thing they did right with those was update the front I/O to include USB-C, but I never use that anyway.

>>106631986
>Why, yes, I do want the Peerless Assassin, 990 Pro and Corsair Vengeance 6000MT CL30, how did you know?
Man PC builds are so unoriginal nowadays...

>>106632290
if it ain't broke, don't fix it, just replace it

Did M2's become standard issue in 2016/2017?

>>106632290
not like there's much options? lf3 is the go-to for aio, noctua cooler and gskill cl26 rams if you have money to burn, ADATA if you like to live dangerously

>>106631986
If you haven't actually bought that GPU yet, the rule of thumb is spend roughly half your entire budget on it.

If this is strictly for gaming the 7800X3D is gonna give you more useful life than the 9700X because Zen 5% gains are fuck-all without VCache. See:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/21.html
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/CzZWGX/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d-42-ghz-8-core-oemtray-processor-100-000000910

The Phantom Spirit is slightly better and cheaper than the Peerless Assassin:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/MzMMnQ/thermalright-phantom-spirit-120-se-argb-6617-cfm-cpu-cooler-ps120se-argb

If you can't name specific applications that you already know will use all 64GB of RAM then you don't need it and 32GB is fine. Anyway significantly cheaper same-spec kits:
(64GB) https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/dnCZxr/silicon-power-xpower-zenith-gaming-64-gb-2-x-32-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-sp064gxlwu60afdg
(32GB) https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/WFVmP6/teamgroup-t-force-delta-rgb-32-gb-2-x-16-gb-ddr5-6000-cl30-memory-ff4d532g6000hc30dc01

Way overspending on that X870 board unless you know that one has specific features you need compared to something like this:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/mhWJ7P/gigabyte-x870-eagle-wifi7-atx-am5-motherboard-x870-eagle-wifi7

Overspending on the NVME when speed differences don't actually matter in low queue-depth client workloads:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/f4cG3C/silicon-power-ud90-2-tb-m2-2280-pcie-40-x4-nvme-solid-state-drive-sp02kgbp44ud9005

Skip the Corsair tax with this quality 80+ Gold unit from Montech with a 10-YR warranty & A-Grade Cybernetics rating:
https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/sqbypg/montech-century-ii-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-century-ii-850w
https://www.cybenetics.com/evaluations/psus/2813/

>>106632334
sovl

>>106632334
started to show up around 2014

>>106626756
pcie5 controllers would have no thermal issues if we stuck with the 2.5" form factor for ssds

https://www.techpowerup.com/341130/silverstone-intros-flp02-retro-inspired-tower-chassis
>SilverStone has introduced the FLP02, a full-tower case that blends 90s nostalgia with compatibility for modern high-end hardware. The chassis sports a distinctive beige color and has 5.25" bay covers that look like floppy disks reminiscent of computing's earlier days. The FLP02 fits today's largest graphics cards, with space for RTX 5090 models up to 386 mm long when you remove the front drive cage. For those who love liquid cooling, the case allows 360 mm radiators on top, plus 120 mm / 140 mm radiator mounts at the back.

>A key feature is the Turbo button on the front, which pushes all PWM fans to their highest speed. The built-in screen shows fan PWM duty cycles in real-time, while motherboard control enables precise temperature management. SilverStone also adds a special key lock for the power and reset buttons to boost security. The case works with motherboards from Mini-ITX to SSI-CEB and offers seven expansion slots plus two more. You can store drives in three external 5.25" bays and several internal mounts. CPU coolers up to 182 mm tall fit inside, and there's room for PSUs as long as 250 mm. Front connectivity includes USB Type-C, dual USB 3.0 ports, and combo audio.
Is it sovl /g/?

What's the purpose of SATA SSDs nowadays?

>>106632453
fake imitations of past sovl are the antithesis of sovl

In the case of this motherboard, if you add an m.2 ssd to the 3rd expansion slot that wont stunt the GPU PCIe slot to run at X8 speeds instead of X16 correct? Because this has 3 m.2 slots but the first two are tied with the GPU PCIe. Am I understanding this correctly?
https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X870E-AORUS-ELITE-WIFI7-rev-10-11/sp#sp

Additionally would it also be worth it to have the M.2 ssd in sharing the faster slot with the GPU for faster speeds if it means stunting the GPU from X8 to X16? Thinking of getting an RX 9070 XT for this.
Is that reducing in GPU speed even noticeable/worth it? Or equally is that improvement in ssd speeds noticeable/worth it?

>>106632485
Upgrading old ass laptops and PCs to be somewhat usable in the modern day. You can get surprisingly lots of work done even on a 10+ year old laptop if you give it a decent Samsung SATA SSD, and if used just for work the SSD can last literal decades and be swapped into a new machine easily.
For gaming? No point.

>>106632485
Don't waste pcie lanes

Are these worth it for older mobos?

>>106632485
Give a performance boost to older systems lacking a M.2 port. Also if you run out of said ports I guess.
They really should be much much cheaper than NVME drives and they just.......aren't.

>Is that reducing in GPU speed even noticeable/worth it? Or equally is that improvement in ssd speeds noticeable/worth it?
Hell nope to both.
You would see low-single digit % drop if you had a 5090 and gimped it PCIE Gen 3.0 so what you do think any weaker GPU that is gimped far less than that would be like?
https://gamersnexus.net/gpus/nvidia-rtx-5090-pcie-50-vs-40-vs-30-x16-scaling-benchmarks
For SSDs the speed your system feels with them is mostly down to access latency and low queue-depth random read/writes by the OS/applications. Large sequential read/writes than can be affected by PCIe bandwidth aren't a concern unless you literally spend all day doing nothing but copy-pasta'ing Game ISOs/BDMVs.

>>106632538
Half meant to reply to >>106632495

>>106632535
No

Was AM3 really that bad?

>>106632553
It was competitive with LGA775

>>106632553
no one rly cared about amd until 3600

i was told to wait for 5080's are still 1k.

>>106632564
AMD mogged intel from the 90s up to 2006.

>>106632577
*but 5080's
fuck me...

What was your first PC build like?

>>106625525
life is short. get an oled, use it like an ips, get a better panel when your panel burns in because panel technology is moving at lightspeeds

of course none of this applies if you're a thirdie poorfag

>>106632538
Ah okay gotcha, So its borderline irrelevant which PCIe slot speed a GPU would occupy?
I intend to casually play games at 1440p at 144Hz like Civ6, Witcher 3 etc.

>>106632604
>get a better panel when your panel burns in because panel technology is moving at lightspeeds
This they are warrantied against burn-in for 3 years meaning if you exchange it at the end of the period you can get another 3 guaranteed.
By the end of years 6-10 or whenever you'd want to replace it there will 8K 1000Hz OLEDs for $150.

>>106632620
Pretty much though using the "main" x16 slot as your mobo manual indicates is still standard procedure.

>>106632633
people have a mindset of "200€ for an ips sounds good" and they find oled too expensive and fear about burn in requiring them to spend more money in couple years

even if they get cheaper by the time your oled burns in its still higher in price than what they're used to paying for a monitor

>>106632633
That's retarded cause you get a refurbished model that might have a panel worse than what you have.

Is the OP accurate? I planned on upgrading from a 3070 to a 5070ti, but dunno if its worth

>>106632654
3070 is pretty garbage so any upgrade is a big deal

>>106632664
yeah but is the 5070ti garbage?

>>106632667
it has 16gb vram so if you want to run larger local llm theres 24gb super variants coming q1 2026

Never wait for new releases that are months away. Q1 the supers "come out". Q2 they're available for sale. Q3 they're at MSRP. But then, bwo, just wait for the 6000 series! It comes out in a few months, what, you enjoy scamming yourself?
Just buy whatever you want now and don't FOMO about shit in the undefined future.

>>106632667
its the best nvidia rtx5000 gpu so far

>>106632817
I thought that was the 5080

>>106632826
The 5080 used to be the worst. Not sure if this is still true with the 5050

>>106632846
what makes it so much more shit? is it just a value thing? i'm a newfag with it comes to pc

>>106632826
5080 is $250-400 pricier but only 12% faster
its really pathetic for an xx80 class gpu

>>106632856
>>106632817
Hows the 5070ti for VR?

>>106632813
what if I can only muster the cash for a 5090 in about 5-6 months?
real question btw

>>106632865
I think the industry moved on from pc being tethered to a headset to a mobile chip embedded in to allow free movement + AR stuff as you walk in public with it.

>>106632856
Wasn't it even less? I recall inital benchmarks suggested 5% improvement from what I remember.

so a 5080 is just a shitty 5070ti super. ty, i'll just get a ti.

>>106631383
Does OLED really make that much of a difference?

>>106632889
even VA is a massive improvement over IPS

dont buy oled it burns in aaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>106632897
top 10 lies you can tell yourself

>>106632865
good.

>>106632887
>5070ti super
What? Is that even out yet?

>>106632987
no i was just making a joke cuz its barely better than the 5070 ti

>>106632995
Ahh
Wait, does the 5080 even have 24 VRAM?
A brand new 5070ti is like 600 while a 5080 is like 1k+

are pny cards that bad

https://www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/tuf-gaming/tuf-gaming-b850m-plus-ii/

Good?

PCIe 5.0 support, and it's moved back to the 1st slot so that you can at least make use of the short 2nd PCIe slot, which is necessary because no dedicated M2 2230 slot for wlan card.

>>106633123
never buy asus

>>106633100
they are almost pony, ofc they are bad

What case is this? It looks kind of like a modified O11 variant, or at least a lookalike.

>>106633134
Why?

>never buy asus
>never buy assrock cause frying cpus

>nothing left

>>106633193
armoury crate is made by asus

>>106633208
nta
>niggered software meant to be ran on pozzed OSes
yeah that's a no from me, dog

>>106633208
You can turn the attempted auto installation off in the BIOS

>to keep or not to keep cheap but slightly flawed qdoled monitor
>there is nothing cheaper on market so I have to pay more
>AAAAAGHHHHHAAAAAGHHHHHAAAAAGHHHHH
>to keep or not to keep cheap but slightly flawed qdoled monitor
>there is nothing cheaper on market so I have to pay more
>AAAAAGHHHHHAAAAAGHHHHHAAAAAGHHHHH
>to keep or not to keep cheap but slightly flawed qdoled monitor
>there is nothing cheaper on market so I have to pay more
>AAAAAGHHHHHAAAAAGHHHHHAAAAAGHHHHH

I can get a 7900XTX for $800. Would that be a worthwhile upgrade from a 6900XT?
Only reason I'm considering it is I kind of want to get away from water cooling and build an air cooled system. I still have the cooler for my 6900XT but the fan connector is broken.

>>106633388
never buy last gen amd

>buy new rig
>sn850x 2TB ssd
>copying speed feels the SAME as my 10 year old pc
Huh?

>>106633397
7900XTX is better than a 9070XT though. And I'm never buying Nvidia.

day24 FAFO'ing with G80SD - not much more to add edition

>Blackscreen after 16minutes starting again
>look like this is not going away any second now

>>106633400
Newer SSDs are going to be significantly better for random IO, latency, and small file transfers, and also potentially somewhat better for large sequential reads, but large writes are still going to be limited by the TLC NAND ultimately.

>>106633193
for what its worth, i've never had any issue with msi boards. the carbon series is pretty good. i wish they had 1dpc boards for better ocing.

>>106633388
>>106633400
xtx is still good even today. even better with xoc/vbios modding for higher power limit, and its about to get even better with fsr4 which seems like they will actually release for older cards.
with that said, dont buy it. if you dont need it now because the 6900xt is doing a decent job already, then you can wait a little bit more for udna which should be a significant performance boost. same thing for 9070xt; not worth it since its more of a sidegrade from the xtx.

>>106633554 meant for >>106633410

>>106633123
I don't think there's a board vendor who is immune from problems. Personally I like Gigabyte but I've had one or two die pretty much out of the box.
My brother's Asus board was a pile of shit, the integrated NIC was broken due to firmware issues and some of the features didn't work.
I had an MSI X370 Gaming Pro Carbon that was fine, until I dropped a 3700X in and the cache latency for some reason was 10x what it should have been even with a new BIOS.
Right now I have an AsRock X870E Taichi. I haven't had the issues people have been talking about with it killing the CPU.

>>106633416
>Blackscreen after 16minutes starting again
>look like this is not going away any second now
Sounds like a bad display cable.

>>106625024 (OP)
What's the best cheaper end power supply to get to build another PC? And what ram should I get?

I already have the ryzen 5 2600 cpu, mobo and gtx970.

Now I just need a PSU and ram?

>>106632883
12% on average so 5% or 20% is possible depending on the specific game and scene rendered

>>106633157
Its likely some generic chinkshit case since they don't list it on their website

>>106633593
well I can't confirm but I might test with another adapter, but it's a common issue
the exact same report from several other people, allegedly a nvidia driver thing on windows or something, or something with the screen
the thing is after the initial black screen after 12-15minutes of starting the screen is stable and never blacks out after that, but shut down and start again and it has the same behavior

I bought a USB-c -> DP cable just to test, might try the original DP-DP cable but with a DP female->uSB-c adapter, but the result will most likely be the exact same

samsung are notorious for black screens and shit, only using a 2m cable right now, on the same issues on TVs you can atleast just buy an optical hdmi cable that will solve most issues

>>106633757
Why are you using an adapter in the chain and not running a cable straight from your GPU to the display? That's a weak link right there.

Really cannot decide whether I should return the MSI B650M Mortar and get that new updated Asus board for PCIe 5.0 and maybe a more trouble free ALC1220 instead of the ALC4080. However I would need to spend another 30 bucks to get a Wlan PCIe card.

>>106633890
PCIe 5.0 makes no difference, see >>106632538 and won't for many years in the consumer space until the point any board and CPU that can installed in it now will be long outdated. What's the issues with your audio (and did you install the updated drivers)? If you're interested in HQ audio the money you'd spend on a fancier board could get a nice external USB DAC like this:
https://www.amazon.com/LEAUDIO-Black-Pearl-Headphone-Amplifier/dp/B0F37L485V
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-of-trn-black-pearl-portable-usb-dac-headphone-amp-with-10-band-peq.64331/
that will have a higher SINAD resolution/lower noise floor by physically isolating the chip from the RF/EMI environment inside the PC case.

>>106633831
I'm not I'm using a usb-c -> dp cable
I don't have any hdmi2.1 or dp out on laptop
it's not the weak link, usb-c dp alt mode works perfectly on other 240hz 4k displays
I have not tired the adapter yet
I have also ran the hdmi but can only run 8bit at 60hz

>>106633831
people have reported this on thousands of different configs
https://youtu.be/NLVl6QboMyU
same thing

>>106633341
>slightly flawed qdoled monitor
Put up with it, there's no perfect display.

>>106633609
get a C-tier PSU off this tier list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/
make sure it has the right connectors for your GPU
for ram, the memory controller of the 2600 is capped at 2933MHz but it can still run ram at higher speeds via xmp so it might be worth it to get a high rated kit if you're sticking with AM4 for a while and plan to eventually upgrade to a 5600(F/X) or something with more cores or 3d v-cache.

>>106634010
black screens annoying me, depending on day though
now I test adapter dp female -> usbc with original dp cable male-male from box, instantly start working on cheapest adapter with just 4k 60hz "spec"
a cheapo dp -> usb-c cable I tried first of all ages ago did not even give me a signal for the display

last time bought a flawed display from the start and it had an annoying desync issue it's entire life, living with annoying things are pretty annoying

>>106634069
>>106634069
>>106634069

Is the impact of DLSS even visible on a 1440p and up monitors?

>>106634086
The random black screening is a deal breaker, IDK why you've kept it so long.
Return that buggy asap;

>>106633982
>>106633971
Looks like an issues that many users report being addressed in a firmware Samsung pushed out:
https://old.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/comments/1ldhstj/samsung_g80sd_oled_g8_13301_firmware_whats_new/
Apparently up to ver 1332 now, so what version is your dispaly on (should be able to check in the OSD)

>>106634112
You'll notice some imperfections, especially in motion.
https://youtu.be/oo_cD2Qcq8k?t=440

>>106634112
I mean the smaller display and more pixels the less problems you see

>>106634115
The black screening thing is that it's consistently every 12-15minutes from starting which is kinda weird
after that it runs
atleast I have not seen anything after that but I might have missed things or not
>IDK why you've kept it so long.
it was cheaper and I had to try it out

>>106634117
on 1332.4 since it was dropped 9 days ago something, and it has not been solved like you even see reported here too

>>106634185
update with dongle added on og dp cable, got an even smaller brief black screen flicker now 0.5 seconds that flickered quickly and dropped sound too as briefely
shorter blackscreen than with usb-c -> dp cable

>>106634247
*after 19minutes on time of monitor from off state

>>106633890
You dont need PCIe 5.0.

>>106630707
I got 3 side slots I could use, maybe better if I move the 1 fan to the side ?

>>106633554
>xtx is still good even today
50% of the currently reported Radeon bugs are happening on RDNA3 video cards.
5 out of 8 if you count the AI 300 APUs with RDNA3/3.5 disgrace.
Avoid this buggy trash.