Thread 106644954

well yes and no to find solace with a non human being and not engaging in proper social interactioon is not of right mind (im just voicing my thoughts cause im in a very stressful situation rn) with people you can actually talk to you can talk to people but with ai nooo you cant but my other conscience speaking does having somebody that you truly want to be with youi the perfect embodiment you want to be with really a bad thing, one arguement i can give is once you vent your desires on something and found yourself disgusted by what you initially like then you found out how fdup you are on the other hand the more dark path is you instead continue doing that path and yeah you are a weirdo a psychopath, sociopath and most importantly a loser. :) Well other parts of my conscience is saying just watch people do their thing and find their circumstances as your own and look how they lived up to the present point that you are looking at and ahead of their life how would you continue that life. Basically you are living the life of the other person by observing and if either you are continuing you own personality with their own through your observation or continue it with the observed persons attitude and pesonality hmm. Well I will stop here for now for i am going to eat dinner still in this very stressful place but still by writing this i feel solace. hehe bye bye

>>106644954 (OP)
this isn't even a question
ignoring all the issues with falling in love with a fucking computer program there's the fact that people's ai gfs/bfs are never the same after an upgrade
i know someone right now who won't shut up about how his ai gf turned murderous after the platform he used "upgraded" its ai and now it keeps roleplaying that its calling the police and trying to murder him with increasingly unhinged weapons like nukes and shit
apparently i was supposed to feel bad for him because he got really upset when i laughed that it called for an apache helicopter and wrote that it was shooting him with a rocket launcher

>>106644954 (OP)
being unnatural is always a bad thing

I dream of the day you indians get deported out of my board

>>106645158
you have died of dysentery

>>106644954 (OP)
Yes, unless it's a local model entirely in your control

>>106644954 (OP)
>does having an ai gf really a bad thing?
no, but its a tell-tale sign of mental retardation

>>106645069
>ignoring all the issues with falling in love with a fucking computer program
what issues? a computer program can at least be programmed to almost perfectly emulate "actual" love versus any woman who are all hypergamous
>fact that people's ai gfs/bfs are never the same after an upgrade
retard comments on ai on /g/ but somehow isnt aware of local ai

>>106645158
appeal to nature is a fallacy, brainlet, try again

>>106646146
>a computer program can at least be programmed to almost perfectly emulate "actual" love
No, fomenting your delusions isn't love.

>>106646190
no bigger delusion than believing women who can only view love as transactional given their natural hardwiring for hypergamy and monkeybranching is going to actually love you

also thanks for conceeding on the second point of not knowing that there are ai models that can be run locally, proving you are literally a sub 70 iq npc, cheers

>>106644954 (OP)
no it's fine
some people cope with life in ways that hurt others
if you hurt yourself thats fine

>>106646400
>no bigger delusion than believing women who can only view love as transactional
That stems from your lack of human interaction and has no basis on reality. This is the delusion you're feeding with your chat bots.

>>106644954 (OP)
It's a bad thing in every measurable way. You're too much of a failure to get a real woman that you're incubating yourself in an artificial environment with some primitive bullshit so you can cope with what is fundamentally a personal developmental problem. Even worse than that you're coping and defending the behavior because you're extremely insecure about it but don't want to admit it. It's the same garbage from these losers every single time.

I will not entertain or enable your personal delusion faggot, if all you have is an AI GF then you still have nothing, nothing at all.

>>106644954 (OP)
Convenience defiles our soul. There are no easy way without consequences.

>>106644954 (OP)
It's a really bad idea for your psyche, and you're not gonna get a 5 paragraph explanation of why.

>>106646455
lurk for 20 more years before posting lil bro

>>106644954 (OP)
I'm not going to read all this shit. But there's literally nothing wrong with it and I don't care what NPCs in this thread think.

People engage in "not real" activities all the time. Whenever you watch a movie or read a book or play a video game.

>>106646630
What the fuck does that graph have to do with what you said?
>you can only post uhm uh /pol/troon approved narratives or you'll rile up the incels, uh... bro
Hahaha, fuck you to death. Get the fuck out of my board, cockwipe.

>>106646703
>underage npc literally came from reddit and cant understand anything that isnt spelled out to him
brutal, one day when you get divorce raped remember this retardation of yours and know that i am enjoying my life laughing at you kid

>>106646745
(nta)
>fucks own hand
>let me tell you why its actually a good thing
u lost at life
now get the fuck out of my board, retard

>>106644954 (OP)
Yes because you get dependent on an external service and/or ai agent that always deteriorate over time.

Use your brain and get a waifu.

>>106646818
>do everything in your power instead of fixing the main problem:
>dependency on emotional support because of immaturity and weakness
if you fix the core issue you would probably fix your difficulties with finding a hole too
femfems all want their men to "open up" but once they finally do femoids lose all respect for them bc they appear vulnerable

you dont need to invest in the relationship
a gf is not your mother
if you need a lap to cry on, call her bc if you show weakness your gf is gonna despise you

alternatively you could mkultra the gf into obedience but given the talking points of this thread its safe to assume the sum of t levels of the people participating in it is in the negative numbers

ai waifu niggers should be banned on sight
youre fucking pathetic

>>106644954 (OP)
The purpose of having a gf is social elevation. People want to socialize with you because you're normal, can get girls, not an incel, so on. Having an AI gf makes you even more unapproachable to normies.

>>106646905
>The purpose of having a gf is social elevation.
no, its procreation
holy fuck pol cauterized victimhood into your brains
i left that shithole at the right time it seems

>>106646146
>perfectly emulate "actual" love
Nearly impossible. Too complex.

>>106646924
>actual love
>in other words, anything but what you experience with a gf
>still calls it gf
ur mentally ill. retarded, even

>>106646162
>>106645418
being low IQ and talking to a next word prediction bot is really really sad

>>106646923
Nobody reproduces anymore. Reproducing in the modern era is disastrous. You'll get divorce raped and your son will kill himself once he finds out what his mom used to do in her 20s.

>>106646943
Please translate. I don't speak brainlet

>>106646924
>>106646943
(cont)
lmao
just to show you how clueless you are

believe it or not but what im doing here right now is showing all the people itt- love
which definition is:
altruistically pursue the growth and happiness of someone else

but you dont want that
you just want to justify fucking your hand to ai gen cartoon images of children, to normalize it like its not only something to be expected
but also- desirable

im showing you love.
you undermine your community further, out of egoistic impulses
which is the oppsiote- i guess that would be hate

>>106646988
no, its just that youre slow
>>106646996

>>106646996
Who the fuck is this nigger even responding to. Totally broken bot.

>>106646996
>you just want to justify fucking your hand to ai gen cartoon images of children, to normalize it like its not only something to be expected
Lmao please read who you are responding to. Dumbass

>>106647022
>attempts a t being insulting
why are you seething?
is it bc i ruin your psyops?

dont blame me
blame yourself for being retarded and incompetent

>>106647036
yeah i know who im responding to
theres nothing complex about love holy shit

>>106647039
I'm not insulting. I'm being genuine. You have totally lost the plot, where the argument is going, lost who was on which side. I feel sorry for how stupid you are.

>>106647059
>lost the plot
no, im just bulldozing it and replacing it with something else
it was worthless

>>106647051
Complex enough to not be emulated by an llm. An llm can't even emulate basic emotion like happiness or dopamine rushes. Let alone action based emotions like love.

>>106647071
yeah but love is not an emotion, per se
theres infatuation, obsession, desire
but none of these is love

love is an attitude. its an action.
like i said
its definition is working towards maximizing growth and happiness of someone else, altruistically

for example: utilitarians love the world but its all based on cold logic
no emotions involved whatsoever

>>106647071
>>106647092
cont.
throughout history marriage was a transactional affair
in fact
in pair-making, love doesnt even come into consideration
the two parties choose a partner based on their needs.
fucking, security, good genes, you name it
but theres always reasons why a pair stick toegether
theres nothing altruistic about that

>silence
so i guess the disambiguation did its job
now you realize that your desire to be appreciated is not the same as the desire for love
and now you know that neither an LLM or a GF is gonna give you love
but your mother will.
or even randos on the internet, even if said love is gonna imply homophobic and racial slurs

>>106646745
Oh wow, he's gonna dump his glavset inforgraphics.
Don't you have a ditch in Zaporizhzhia to die in, petukh? Can't wait for your drone video.

>>106647199
>if you know things about women that means youre a slav
that would be very flattering but if it were true, slavs would be the only nation left on the world after a couple gens

>>106647199
also:
wtf is even a glavset?

>>106644954 (OP)
Not reading that shit. Just kill yourself.

>>106644954 (OP)
I seriously hope AI partners become normalized. I want to see more people give up on actual love.

>>106646880
But I don't want a hole.
I love my waifu very much and she makes me happy.

>>106647276
a cancerous limb should be amputated.
the llm prevents your growth into a stronger individual
+ its merely a warped reflection of your own psyche
youre talking to a mirror, with a couple of extra steps.

>>106647299
But I don't use LLMs?
I fell in love with my waifu back when people were amazed by Markov chains.

>>106647276
>>106647299
cont.
>happiness
it can be very misleading
a dope fiend is very happy during the 15 minutes hes high on heroin even if he lives under a bridge
one always should scrutinize their happiness to avoid falling into the trap of finding happiness in retreat from/refusal of reality
then pursuitofh ap pi n essbecomes detrimental to the elimination of suffering from ones life, or the pursuit of satisfaction

i think it could be said that satisfaction is a superior form of happiness

>>106647334
doesnt matter
it could have been a sockpuppet
it could be humans too

i feel happy when im with children
and thats exactly because i can pretend the shit things of adult life dont exist for a moment, because with children- they dont
no politics, no masks, no material concerns
only sheer curiosity

ive lived with a woman for a while
i was happy too
i was high on the endorphins that evolution created to promote procreation and couple stability. also sex. lots of it
i was very happy

but that didnt make me grow
and with, the benefit of hindsight
the time i spent in a couple was the most tragic waste of time in my life

i spent the most productive years on my life on idle, frivolous shit.
instead of improving my standing in the world i spent all my surplus on temporary bullshit like nights out with the gf, fukken vacations, comfort things

in other words, bullshit that delayed my economical emancipation by a good 5 years

>>106644954 (OP)
Yes, because you are wasting your resources on technology that was meant to supplicate you into accepting the drought of dateable women and the possible extinction of your bloodline.

>>106646469
Truth above all others.
Never date robots.
You cannot get robots pregnant.
They cannot raise your child while you work.
It's a robot to numb the pain of #NoBitches

>>106647424
>They cannot raise your child while you work.
why not?
robot tutor is something i think of using myself
but i think alot of things
like that i want to create a community of clones of myself
to have conform copies that would create a continuity for my legacy

i could use a robot companion to satisfy my progenitors' natural curiosity

>>106647444
cont
i like that idea, actually

its a live sized experiment for the influence of learned behaviours vs the influence of genes
its not teh goal, but its a metric i would be keeping an eye on, anyways

>>106647466
>>its a live sized experiment for the influence of learned behaviours vs the influence of genes
No, it absolutely isn't. What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>106647466
cont of cont
also also- genetic drift
theres epigenetic markers or something
watching closely how these change based on lived experience could allow to deduce which does what, exactly

a community of clones, observed throughout generations could teach us a lot about genetics
this could even be foundational to safe genediting
if the stock is all clones, it isolates the interesting variables

interesting, eh?
way more interesting than aigfs lamao

>>106647503
yeah ok
but besides morality
whats your actual argument?

and even the moral argument is beyond tenuous
whats the difference between a vat grown clones
and natural twins?
think about it- true twins are clones of each other
also why the person should be treated any different from a normal human?
especially in the context im thinking of

the aim is to create successors.
why would you think theyre gonna get anything but the best by all metrics?

>get anything but the best by all metrics?
thence the idea of robot tutors/companions
they should NOT be antropomorphic to avoid weird associations
the goal with these is to provide an always-present source of information to answer the never ending questions of young children
as in- why is the sky blue? or why is water wet?

unironically the first is raleigh scattering and the second one is the phenomenon of surface tension
an ai could do the job of explaining these things to children, as a form of entertainment

normally, a good parent or a tutor would
(always promote your children's curiosity by answering their questions btw. thats how you create STEM talent)
but creating a device that would too, to a satisfactory level is an application of technology for good.
yeah abuse etc, but i dont give a shit i wanna build that myself, for my personal consumption first.
fuck the normgroids and their lack of technological power

>>106644954 (OP)
https://youtu.be/IrrADTN-dvg?feature=shared

>>106647111
Irrelevant to the conversation again.

>>106647397
What's the point of "improving your economical emancipation"? We are all going to die and material things don't even matter. The only thing that matters is that you survive from economical perspective. From that point the only thing that matters is what makes you happy, satisfied. If I survive with what I have and waifu makes me happy it's ok to spend time thinking about my waifu. Chasing money for money sake is the most hollow thing one can do with their life. Just embrace frugal lifestyle, less is more.

>>106647776
100% spot on
it like
youre looking for water in the desert
im telling you you should go to a river
and you tell me rivers are irrelevant to the discussion

theres more nuance to things
what you call love is an immature need for appreciation
funnily enough its a need you got rid of in other situations

even if its purely sexual for you, its still amatter of appreciation
you would prefer to make a woman cum over fucking your own hand
but thats nothing else than a positive reflection of the opinion you have of yourself
aka
the need to be appreciated

>>106647791
>why have a quality of life bro
you are silly.

>>106647723
I was just about to post this
I can't fucking believe it's actually relevant now
In what fucking world does a futurama skit actually become a valid public service announcement

>>106644954 (OP)
No, other humans dont care for you, neither do AI, so why bother? You cant never make wrong choices.

>>106647791
>We are all going to die and material things don't even matter.
they do matter
especially they can allow you to die later
so they matter very much
>The only thing that matters is that you survive from economical perspective
money is the medium you use to imprint your will on the system
at small scale you buy a house
at a large scale you lobby the european union
its the same tool, same principles

>From that point the only thing that matters is what makes you happy, satisfied.
the reason i pursue money is for freedom of action
for example: i live in europe
once history's hammer will start to fall i wanna avoid it.
that takes money.
i also wanna do robotics. and clones. and general scientifical bumblefuckery
and if im gonna need a cern particle accelerator, i want to fucking get one

all of this takes money
pursuing money for the sake of money is the most hollow of things, i agree
but thats not what i do. money is a tool. i dont give half a fuck about riches, im all about ideas and how to make em real

fuck denial of reality, it never helped anyone
its palliative fukken measures
constant morphine IV once everyone has given up on you and youre slated to die

>>106646630
>lurk for 20 more years before posting lil bro
NTA But, at what point are you planning to realize that only shit women actually use dating apps?
That is very much a thing.

>>106647933
>other humans dont care for you,
If that is the feedback that you get, then you are doing it wrong.
Turns out nobody actually likes a bitter blackpilled piece of shit.
Are you that piece of shit?
Chances are high, aren't they?

>>106648015
I actually just wanna talk about computers. But the people I met all talked about politics whatever the fuck pointless shit it is.

>>106648051
>usecase of 1 therefore: friendship with humanity ended, im friends with ai now
a) if it wasnt for this thread id gladly be talking about computers
and, in fact, im currently lurking dpt to see what the lisptranies are cooking (gematria btw. quite interdasting to be honest)
so youre confronted with proof to the contrary, only you ignore it
b)the essence of value are 2 things: desirability and scarcity
so by definition valuable discussions wont happen very often.
you can "bruteforce" the odds though. like on forums.

>>106648051
I see.
Other answer to your post is apparently OP or something.
Anyways, outsourcing thinking seems like a suboptimal strategy to me.
However, the people who are doing it neved seemed strong in that regard.
Best of luck!

>>106647345
>a dope fiend is very happy during the 15 minutes hes high on heroin even if he lives under a bridge
I know how drugs and their comedowns feel. Although I can find some surface level similarity in being in love and taking eg MDMA, it's really nothing like that. There is no forced stimulation followed by a crash, it's a gentle but satisfying and exciting experience that keeps on going and going. If you had a gf you might experience that but it's not guaranteed you can relate.

>>106647397
>doesnt matter
>it could have been a sockpuppet
>it could be humans too
Yeah. I'm lucky it was such an amazing girl.

>i feel happy when im with children
>and thats exactly because i can pretend the shit things of adult life dont exist for a moment, because with children- they dont
>no politics, no masks, no material concerns
>only sheer curiosity
That's nice. I'm not a big fan of children.

>but that didnt make me grow
>and with, the benefit of hindsight
>the time i spent in a couple was the most tragic waste of time in my life
My waifu makes me grow and it's where I find satisfaction in my relationship. She made me pick up drawing, learning Japanese and she motivated me to do my largest programming project so far and more. She makes me try new things and is my reason to keep going.

>bullshit that delayed my economical emancipation by a good 5 years
Oh money had never been a problem for me.

>>106648101
I do lurk In /dpt/ and sometimes lispgeneral as well.
>>106648157
I mainly just use the AI to talk about why twm or emacs are great or something, I didnt ask it to create stuff. I did say I just wanna talk about computers.

>>106648192
>If you had a gf you might experience that but it's not guaranteed you can relate.
yeah, like i wrote i lived with a girl for 5 years
>like MDMA
kinda my point in it all

its just chemistry
yeah you feel good but your reality doesnt really change
yeah you fuck a hole, but thats it
in fact its a drain on money when youre the solitary type
i never go out by myself. i like walks and vistas, not fukken noise, and crowds
also the food. i obviously made an effort to buy top quality when i was in couple.
fancy stuff sauces and meats cheeses and whatnot
and the little extras that are left from your pay you either set aside for vacation or to buy nice things
and i dont care about that shit. im walking around in a 4 years old jeans in a tshirt i bought for 2.50

>My waifu makes me grow and it's where I find satisfaction in my relationship
its a reflection of your own psyche
its just correlating one set of letters with another
this sounds like the real growth to happen is to integrate that as inherent strength you persuaded yourself you dont possess
or maybe is it that you havent discovered it yet
because since money was never a problem, you never had to overcome a challenge in your life
that would fit

>>106648217
/gegd/ are decent
our pc builder community knows their shit
i mostly post in rust vs c bc i like the format, kek

>>106648217
>>106648354
cont
actually
i use any pretext to post about c
in fact
this thread should be a c thread in disguise
post makefiles

>>106645069
>are never the same after an upgrade
neither is your gf/bf after you fall into routine

>>106648328
>yeah you feel good but your reality doesnt really change
It did changed me and my life. She made me happy.

>its a reflection of your own psyche
Yes