Thread 106812069

>>106783670
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet + the TrackPoint
>Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support

ThinkWiki - General info about ThinkPads/specs
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40, T41, T42
>IBM/Lenovo Transition: T43, T60, T61 (T42 - T43: significant difference in specs)
>"Classic" Lenovo: T400, T410, T420 (T61 - T400: 4:3 to 16:10)
>Transition to old modern: T430, T440, T450 (T420 - T430: membrane to chiclet)
>Old modern: T460, T470, T480 (T450 - T460: significantly less thick)
>New modern: T490, T14g1, T14g2 (T480 - T490: design change)
>New new modern: T14g3, T14g4, ... (T14g2 - T14g3: second design change)

BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/downloads.html
https://libreboot.org/docs/install/
https://canoeboot.org/docs/install/

Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/
https://biosimage.booru.org
https://1vyra.in

Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera
#/tpg/ on rizon

waiting for T470 & X270 prices tank once W10 is no longer supported

>>106812235
You think that'll be a thing?

X270 seems like an enticing upgrade from an x230. T480 even more so considering that it's libreboot compatible.

X280 would be the best replacement considering it has a similar small profile, but I don't believe that it's libreboot compatible, nor if any other newer models will ever get support. Even then, the T480 doesn't have full one-to-one functionality either, though I'm unsure how trivial the differences are.

I'm not *that* worried about glownigger spooks, but having a custom BIOS/UEFI is a nice thing to have.

How does /tpg/ view the Dell Latitude 7490?

>>106813284
the fuck is this

>>106813308
you thinkpad people are
>excellent linux and bsd support
right?

>>106812786
I have a latitude myself and find them to be pretty damn nice, I was using mine specifically for work until I installed Linux so I can dualboot and I installed a mobile broadband card to make use of a spare phone line I had.
If I didn't have a desktop I'd probably use it as my daily driver for everything

>>106812625
There's already patches for partial T460s and E470 support so other models from 2018 and earlier don't sound like much of a stretch. 2019 and later is a different story because of the newer, unbroken ME.

>>106813734
latitudes are awesome

Dell led the charge in linux compatibility, any dell laptop or 100 dollar optiplex worked with linux ootb, afaik no other manufacturer shipped computers with linux preinstalled before Dell
Michael Dell is the Steve Jobs of computers

>>106816382
lmao
https://youtu.be/5Qj8p-PEwbI

>>106816382
But Steve Jobs is the Steve Jobs of computers

Am I allowed to buy a t495s for the Ryzen 5?

>>106820676
If you're sure you won't come back and complain about too little memory or the keyboard being behind 80 screws

I got a thinkpad t480 and its like how the fuck do I get a new external battery for it???? they dont make real ones anymore and when I look it up it's like a million conflicting opinions about if they're shit and no no buy here and no buy on aliexpress no no ebay no no return the thinkpad like FUCK do I just return it like w hat the fuk?

>>106821271
just buy one from ebay, it will work

>>106821271
While you're at it, make sure to do this to your t480.

https://support.lenovo.com/au/en/solutions/ht508988-critical-intel-thunderbolt-software-and-firmware-updates-thinkpad

I want a 16" thinkpad, whats the best one? If a T480 existed at that size I would get it.

>>106812625
All x240+ have a shrunk keyboard and are only useful by children and women
You can try to adjust but if you use the keyboard a lot you'll end up hurting your hand
>>106823431
Any P1 up to generate 6 is fine, afterwards they removed the track point buttons so it's basically trash

I have the same exact model and same problem after upgrading my L460 firmware on windows 11. Am I screwed bros? what can I do next?

anyone got an amd t14 gen1 and have recommendations for ssds? got it so I could put one in the wwan and one in the main slot, but the sizing is a little strange, I read about it being more cost-effective to buy a smaller single-sided drive with an adaptor and figured I'd check if anyone had already looked into it

>>106824441
>put one in the wwan and one in the main slot
I've done it on a x380
>skhynix model BC711 (128gb)
>generic 2230-2242 M/B+M key penis extender
cheaper and easier than shopping for a real 2242

>>106824277
P series seem to be way out of my price range. Is the T590 not good? Looking at this one on Amazon

'Lenovo ThinkPad T590 15.6" FHD (1920x1080) IPS 250nits Anti-Glare Display - Intel Core i5-8365U Processor with vPro, 16GB RAM, 512GB PCIe-NVMe SSD, Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (Renewed Excellent)'

>>106825372
Just get the latest T16 AMD instead of roleplaying a neckbeard.

>>106825372
T5xx starting from the T570 (or somewhere around there) shrunk the keyboard in order to fit the numpad, not suitable for serious work

>>106825372
See if you can get a T580 with similar specs. T590 is gimped in terms of modularity because they cheaped out and used the same motherboard as in the smaller T490. Small battery, soldered wifi, only one SSD, etc.

hello /tpg/
i bought a thinkpad x270 a few years ago, and one of the batteries always sucked but recently i've gotten popups about how defective it is, so i'm looking to replace it
where can I find a good 45N1127 battery if i'm in europe, and does it have to be an official lenovo one

>>106827028
Used OEM ones should be easy to find on your local Craigslist clone. 24 Wh for around 15€, 72 for around 40€. Not much reason to pay more for a dodgy aftermarket one unless you live in the middle of nowhere.

Is it possible to fit an m.2 ssd into the msata slot with an adapter?

>>106828329
M.2 SATA and mSATA are both just SATA with different connectors so no reason why it wouldn't

>>106825523
what about the E16? it's a little cheaper and just as good?

I ordered a ThinkPad X9 15.
Wondering if I made a good choice.
I've used basically every ThinkPad since the 20 series.
My reasons for getting the X9 15 were: centered keyboard (numpad sucks dick), no trackpoint while retaining the clickpad, good battery life, high refresh display with good response times, etc.

>>106828414
pretty sure an m.2 cant fit in a msata connector slot though without an adapter and then theres size to consider

>>106828930
I cancelled my order, I'm gonna get a Framework.

>>106830176
thank you

Hello tpg kings
I recently got a t460 for $40 and it works. Put a new SSD. Any other upgrades I should make before I get committed to using it? I would like to be a t460maxxer

>>106816382
>Michael Dell is the Steve Jobs of computers
That's an insult to Michael.

Many months ago, one of the anons here was posting about wanting to make a website about rebuilding batteries for old x220 thinkpads and maybe other models as well. Is that anon still around? Is he still interested in the project? Has he made any progress since?

>>106830978
this adapter is for sata m.2 drives only though, worth mentioning before someone blows money on an SSD that will not work.

>>106831099
It's one of the less moddable ones. 16 GB RAM, IPS screen if it comes with TN, maybe a bigger battery.

Battery help?

I was using my t420 on battery and suddenly the laptop shut down. The laptop can't turn on if i don't put it on AC now. The battery still shows a charge percentage on the OS but when i plug in the charger the battery LED shows three green flashes and then one shorter orange flash and then it shows nothing (while it would usually continue to be either orange or green depending on charge).
Is this how thinkpad batteries die? The overall capacity was still at 78% of the design capacity. If it's really dead what's the brand i should look for a new one?

>>106812069 (OP)
so t14 g4 is the last best thinkpad?

>>106835332
Why? What did they worsen from G4 to G5?

>>106835382
>When powering on my ThinkPad L15g1 it made some really loud BIOS beeps, it's done this before but it seemed much louder than previous times.
>the BIOS beep pattern was:
>beep boop beep boop beep dah dah
>Same length maybe the last two boops a bit faster but three different tones
>No display or display output to my external display

>>106835494
>when pressing some keys it played the tune again, very loudly, I think caps lock didn't but FN+Function keys did.
>If I had to guess: RAM unseated, Intel WiFi card, or some sort of cable to the display is messed up.

What do I do documentation sucks and just says to download some app, but after that happened I just did a full power off and power on and it works fine now I even rebooted and no issues this time

>>106835955
Do you live in a humid place? My E480 did this when I went full retard and took it into the bathroom to play music while showering.

>>106836152
idk is UK humid

>>106833411
So its m.2 to msata? as in it can connect to the msata connector on the mobo?

>>106835374
battery life drops off the cliff for moving back to modular RAM.
I always left the laptop plugged, no big deal.

>>106832983
i'm not the anon but i was looking at how to make DIY batteries for my t420 and found this:
https://old.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/wru5kj/
I haven't tried this, but i defintely will once i get good at soldering (the only soldering job i did is a 3000mAh lithium battery for my PSP)
we should definitely make some kind of wiki for diy batteries in general. Thinkpads aren't the only good laptops of the past, i have some business model HP as well that need some cells.

>>106812069 (OP)
Is it just me or are new thinkpads getting a bit more modular and user upgradeable? The new p1 allows the user to fix usb C ports, speakers, battery, storage and RAM are not soldered. Here's hoping.

>>106837258
I don't think I've seen that one specifically but I did see quite a few of these. Much like your link, they mostly all focus on the battery cells themselves when that's kind of the easy part, if you can solder. The tricky part is the BMS.
From what I could get, some BMS have to be disconnected a certain way or else they blow a protective fuse you can't easily replace and some can lock down the battery and simply refuse to charge or discharge regardless of the cells condition. Info on each specific BMS for each specific laptop model is scarce and of course you can't buy replacement BMS, so the only way to have an original one on your "new" battery is already having one on your old battery.

speaking of batteries, is it possible in Linux to set charging limits, and can I make the CPU use power from the wall when plugged in instead of using the battery as a middle man

>>106836410
yes, unless you need to use a NVMe drive, then you need an adapter for the ExpressCard slot

>>106837738
>charging limits
see /sys/class/power_supply/BAT*/charge_{start,stop}_threshold
>use power from the wall when plugged in
already happens unless you use a lower wattage brick than what it shipped with

>>106837853

@gentoo ~ $ sudo nano /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_control_end_threshold

@gentoo ~ $ cat /sys/class/power_supply/BAT0/charge_control_end_threshold
80

Is that it? I use the same 65W charger it shipped with

I know you guys are into business but I want a viable laptop to play lineage2 (2005) in my five hours breaks between shifts. Also, of course, the lurk and casual 4chan shitpost. I don't think there is better option than a cheap thinkpad, liviane, silent and with healty battery.
I'm watching this lenovo Lenovo ThinkPad T470S Core i7 6600U 2.7 GHz 16GB 256 nvme win10 battery new for only 280€ on a random website thinking it's perfect for my needs.
Any thoughs, recomends or memes?
pic unrelated

>>106838115
>6600U
>only 280€
>only
are you fucking serious? is euro really that fucked?
you should be able to find Zen 3 or intel 11 for $350 and those have way better iGPU and display

>>106838325
thinkpads and any other well regarded brand of old computers or old quality peripherals and parts are extra rare. Especially since brexit, Germany has the most because there's more connections to the USA.

>>106838115
This is really high, at least for the German-speaking world. I see a handful of this model selling for between 120 and 170 in driving distance.

my friends x230 has issue with replacement battery, chinks figured stuff out and it passes as genuine one 99% of times but sometimes it does not and it also does picrel on the system tray sometimes whatever the fuck this icon even means while showing that it's charged in windows power menu, is it an issue with the battery itself or would EC mod fix this? i do own the same battery from the same brand and it works fine with my x220.

>>106812069 (OP)
Bought a t14 gen 2. Don't understand the hype. The trackpad and nipple is shit on linux.

Thinkpad ... more like Thinkass
tyvm, I'll be all week, because I'm unemployed

>>106838325
>>106838945
I see, it was just a fast glance at some random website, the fact that it comes with 2 year warranty, new battery and "loicensed" windows can make it more expensive. I would like to check local stores to see what they tell me or they have in stock.

I'm just figuring out about thinkpads so dumb question maybe but is this good enough to play football manager? I want a cheap one too

Just saying I love my T14 G3 (AMD variant). I just fucking hate the whitelist on the extra M.2 slot...

>>106812069 (OP)
I am currently running on my desktop computer:

Windows 7 without an antivirus or system updates newer than 2013 ( I am a power-user and consider that bloat)

AMD Athlon x4 860K
Nvidia GTX 1050ti
16 gigs of DDR3 RAM

I use this machine for, on the daily:

Small minimalist PHP Web development with Codium.exe, and XAMPP
Minecraft Alpha gaming and development (Eclipse IDE)
Team Fortress 2008 (not daily)
The majority of my workflow is done in a USB stick. The majority of my shit on my computer is not on the system disk.
The things that aren't on my portable drive are only in my system because they just aren't portable. Codecs, shell replacements, etc. XAMPP and f.lux which don't like USBs for some reason..
This results in a very light C drive footprint when this approach is applied to a fresh install of Windows.

People say it's "weak" or "underpowered", but I do everything I need without problems. I have Supermium and Pale Moon open with tens of tabs and I do not experience problems even with my pagefile disabled.

I express interest in the Thinkpad T480, but I own another laptop, the Precision 7520. I am dissatisfied with its strange Linux support, battery life, and weak keyboard, and I dislike the bloat Dell forces if you wish to install drivers.
T480 looks nice but also less bulky than the 7520 and thus less durable. Might have a better keyboard though given my 7520's E key fucking popped off for no reason whatsoever. Technically a hardware downgrade from the 7520, which had 32 gigs for some reason and 8 cores, but I use my desktop machine more than I use that laptop, so I am used to the "weak" hardware that is on this desktop. I do not need stronger hardware.
I like look of the T420 for what seems to be a bulkier form factor and heavier keyboard, but the hardware and battery life might actually be worse than my current desktop computer.

I think I am going to purchase the T480. What would I be in for for with my current setup?

>>106812069 (OP)
What do you use more /tpg/, the trackpad or the trackpoint?

>>106841884
a mouse
trackpad makes my hand tired
trackpoint isn't precise

>>106812069 (OP)
I think the addiction is getting bad anons
i just got my 3rd thinkpad
im upto
>T400
>T430
>T490
What T-Line Thinkpad Should i get next?

I need a new laptop, what should I watch out for, any good recent models (like T14 from OP)?
I noticed there are a lot of retarded buzzwords like AI™ integrated or cloud™ ready.
I can't go for old thinkpad meme, I already have one and can't run all the stuff that I do.

>>106842524
What is it that you need to do on the computer? What are the specs you trying to hit?

>>106842524
>>106842561
yea I should've specified:
I'm stuck with modern web (which is by far the biggest problem for older models), stuff like google drive/docs, webcam meetings etc.
I also semi-regularly run a lot of simulations (mostly written in python because Im lazy).
I travel a lot, so I'm aiming for 13/14inch models.
I used to do graphics but my adobe subscription run out and decided to cancel it
bonus points for 2 SSD slots so I can dual boot windows
In terms of budget: I'm not sure if laptops in general can last more than 4 years so I don't want to spend too much, but if there's a good model Im perfectly fine with spending up to 2k dollars.
TLDR a machine that withstands normie life and allows me to do my computer hobbies

>>106842524
T14 Gen 1 supports SSD in WWAN slot but it's quite troublesome desu (rrquire adapter + 2242 SSD only. T14 Gen 2 introduces WWAN slot whitelist, not a big deal if you're not using it anyway.

>>106812069 (OP)
got a stinkpad e16 gen2 (the core 7 ultra one) from my job a month or so ago. has anyone had any success running windows 10 iot ltsc on it? preinstalled windows 11 pro runs like shit - my intel macbook pro running 10 iot ltsc in parallels runs laps around it
i'm locked into windows before anyone suggests loonix

Brought these from an auction lot at my uni for 2.50, description was just Lenovo Laptops with drives removed... Can someone help ID? Wondering how much replacement parts and charger are gonna cost.

>>106843022
>Can someone help ID?
just crack it open and read the label baka

>>106843174
I would, waiting for them to come in and got impatient ....

>>106843022
top x230t
second x230
third t440
bottom not sure

Just got a relatively new thinkpad and replaced its ram and storage, how much should i price a ddr5 16gb ram stick and nvme2 256 gb storage stick at on ebay? both are original lenovo sticks.

>>106843444
Thanks anon, I thought that was a stylus.

>>106841550
The keyboard is better without a doubt. I've never had a key on a ThinkPad keyboard just break from normal typing. Linux support is almost flawless (touchpad works worse than on Windows but I disable it anyway). Performance won't be much worse as both 7520 and T480 have 4-cores with SMT, not 8 cores afaik. What is definitely worse is the rigidity of the chassis.

>>106843022
Bottom looks like T420

A long time ago I had a T460s, the batteries sucked so I got "new" ones on ebay and put them in according to the lenovo instructions (disabled batteries in bios and so on). When I turned the laptop back on one of the batteries wouldn't charge (it would discharge fine) so I only had like 30% of the capacity it was supposed to be after that one ran out. So I figured, one of the batteries must be fake. I put the old batteries back in and the exact same problem appeared.
So what happened exactly?

>>106841550
If you want Windows 7 on the T480 you'll need to use some hacked up drivers. I think there's some Chinese driver for the integrated graphics that works from 7th gen to 10th gen intel. Might need to add USB3 or NVMe drivers to the installation ISO as well.
T430 or below would work with Win7 without needing to fuck around with drivers

>>106844173

see retail add markup multiply taxes add delivery

Are Ideapads any good? I'm eyeing the Y560 because i want a really compat machine. I would use it to learn coding, starting with creative coding in Processing, Also thinking about installing Gentoo on it so I can learn...

I bought my first T490 for 200 euros. I hope you have not memed me.

>>106835955
bump, I think hibernate might be related to this issue

>>106845636
Many years ago, an ideapad 320 was all I had, and that's the only ideapad I ever had. It was good. Quite large, screen was nice, ran what I wanted it to run. All plastic and the chassis did get some weird marks and some of the paint eventually gave out but the plastic itself lasts to this day.
Keyboard is worst part about them. Quite shitty and hard to replace.

>>106843444

Bottom might be a T430 or something from that era, looks like my T430 with that side card. 3rd gen i5/i7. Nice haul for 2.50

>>106812069 (OP)
Is this the good place to talk about U/SFF Desktop products (Lenovo ThinkCentre/HP EliteDesk/Dell OptiPlex)?
My use case is building a NAS. What I need primarily is tons of spinning rust on the order of ~ 4TiB. That's 1, maybe 2 3.5 HDDs worth. Shall I:
> Buy an SFF which has enough internal HDD bays for my use case and swallow the efficiency penalty
> Buy an USFF and use USB-SATA converters to attach spinnign rust

What I'm looking at is either a HP ProDesk 400G4 for €175 (8500T, 8 ram, 256 SSD) or a ThinkCentre M720Q fore €200 (8500T, 16 ram, 512 SSD).
At that price my Normal SFF option is a ProDesk 400 G5
My midi tover option is a Dell OptiPlex 7060

>>106845926
he fell for the meme

should i get a precision 3530?

>>106835955
bump ev&doe I haven't had any problems since it's just been plugged in at my desk

>>106812069 (OP)
Got a thinkpad x230 for like 70$ localy running gentoo on that badboy is a dream

>>106812069 (OP)
Best thinkpad under $300?

>>106834475
Which models should i look at if i want to mod the shit out of it?

>>106850121
whichever you can afford to replace

thinking about making a custom bios boot splash
(on my t60 of course)
any ideas?
maybe a skull and crossbones made to look fast

What a u think about X1 Carbon?

>>106850063
i guess a t480 if you can find one

What the diff between framework and the lastest thinkpad t14 in term of repair/upgarde?
Idg the hype

>>106812069 (OP)
Is kingsener still the go-to for buying replacement batteries?

Got some jap laptop from friend
Is this heatsink not supposed to be removed? What kind of screw is that?

>>106850438
well the framwork is more made to have the same case and upgradable motherboards. and all replacements parts are sold by framework. The modular io is also cool

I will never switch to a framwork unless they add physical buttons to the trackpad and add a red nipple/ trackpoint

>>106850471
That's a screw u, buddy

>>106850442
>Kingsener
It's a mixed bag experience accdg to plebittors. Are you willing to gamble?
I just resigned to using an ac outlet and/or 65W powerbank to compensate for the dying batteries of my t480.

>>106851509
>they add physical buttons to the trackpad and add a red nipple/ trackpoint
Nirav Patel confirmed that he will never add trackpoint due to engineering issue (excuse).

>they add physical buttons to the trackpad and add a red nipple/ trackpoint
Nirav Patel confirmed that he will never add trackpoint due to engineering issue (excuse).

Companies used to come up with like level 7 bullshit. This isnt even level 2. It might be harder to engineer than a normal keyboard but it just shows where there priorities are (not productivity or efficiency)

Is it true the USB-C charging port for Thinkpads starting from T480 and newer have a short life span that will effectively brick the laptop? I bought a refurbished L490 recently but I saw on Reddit just now that failing USB-C ports seem to be highly widespread, I'm starting to regret my purchase, thinking I should've bought a Dell Latitude 5420 instead.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Lenovo/comments/1bezmnm/usbc_port_failure_epidemic/
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/id0y5s/long_term_durability_and_repairability_of/
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/15h1tus/whats_the_real_life_longevity_on_usbc_charging/

>>106852170
Mine doesn't have USB-C so I don't know but is that just the connector itself giving out? Isn't that common with pretty much all USB-C connectors? They just can't take that take that many insertions.

>>106852170
There seem to be exactly two types of people: those who break every USB-C port they use and those who never break any.

>>106852170
The port itself should be good for unlimited insertions. Cables on the other hand, those were designed to be the wear items so just replace your dock or charger type-C cable every few years and you're golden.

>>106850063
T14 G2 AMD

>>106853550
how much better is it than a g1?
you swap the extra ssd for a better cpu/gpu?

>>106850471
that CF-RZ6 screws at the other end
you have to remove the board to get to it

>>106853391
pretty much this
sucks for second hand buyers since you don't know what type the owner was
even apple does a better job at not soldering the connector direct to the mainboard
gay earth

>>106853550
how can anons here live with the fact the T14 doesn't have an SD card slot?

kek

i want tpfcontrol to run the fans at full speed all the time, i have it set to manual "64" but when the cpu reaches 76c it switches to smart mode.

how do i make it so it stays on manual?

its a T14 gen 3 and TPFC v.63

>>106853813
G2 still did, I think they removed it in G3.

If only they had the courage to get rid of the tapered edges and add 1-2 mm of thickness, they could bring back the SD slot and a fifth USB port and modular wifi. But somehow even the non-slim laptops all have to be as slim as possible.

>>106854244
fuck should have bough a G2 instead
idk whats with 2025 but SD card readers are being axed from flagship portable/mainstream laptops for the ones I look up anyway

Is this a good value for $318?
T480 i7 8th gen, Nvidia MX150 GPU, 512GB SSD, 16GB RAM
It's a listing from some laptop store so the price is probably a bit higher than it should be, but at least they offer 7 days replacement warranty.

>>106854822
I'd say yes
Not as low as what deal hunters will approve of
But its reasonable enough
Personally, I think its only worth it as long as there are no cracks (scratches are fine) + the battery still works and lasts around 2-3 hours and the screen does not have any discoloration/cracks.
Basically it practically better be mint

>>106854878
Thanks!

>>106853764
no...

>>106853834
>>106853842
new toons

>>106855019
what OS are you putting on that laptop?
The screen is pretty good and based on your pic its the 8GB model

I have like 6 thinkpads, the last 2 i had to replace because the keyboards fucked up. and you can't replace just the keyboard like on older ones you have to replace the whole top part which costs as much as a whole used thinkpad.
I didn't even notice much of a performance boost between my T420, T480 L490 and T14 but that's probably due to going from windows 8 to 11 plus pajeet code bloat.

I'd probably be fine still using the T480 with windows 10 if it still worked.

>>106812069 (OP)
Are the new thinkpads any good? Computer Science student looking for something for school, preferably with stylus support for maths and a GPU. Love my X220 but the resolution and trackpad are killing me

>>106855972
>stylus and GPU
Don't think there are any with both, though you might not need a GPU with the integrated graphics of today's CPUs. The Yogas are usable until 2024 when they decided that having a slot for the pen is outdated and people should carry it (and a USB cable for charging it) separately instead.

bought a t510 for 20 euros 2 months ago from this old dutch guy. it had ubuntu installed on it and ran like absolute dogshit
incredible find i think, socketable cpu and everything but i've no idea where to get a cpu? is there any ""trustworthy"" reseller in europe?

>>106856112
Not that I know of. I got lucky with a few second-hand 4710MQs from a private seller a while ago but the older you go, the less of a market there is.

really unsatisfied with my carbon x1 8th gen, compared to x280 this is frankly garbage, the hidpi screen sucks the battery dry real quick and it is generally a very hot device. Not that thinkpads were ever particularly cool historically but x280 was in a sweet spot where it didn't really do that

>>106857340
came from an X61, and went straight to a T14 Gen 3 because they finally ditched 16:9 and went back to 16:10

Its a bit too big and heavy for my taste. I considered the X13, but I really wanted an ethernet port
The framework 12 looked promising, but it came out to be a huge disappointment

Still using the T14 as the X61 is just too old.
Every new thinkpad that comes out just removes the features that used to differentiate it from the rest.
Ethernet port, SD card slot and more USB A ports (at least 3) should be standard on the X13
Removable battery too.
Non soldered RAM too but everyone is way past that.

>>106850121

T61

>Middletons BIOS
>Frankenpads
>Penryn and 8gb upgrade

Just get one made after I believe August 2007 because of the Nvidia chip problems with earlier models

have an x1 carbon on local used shit marketplace for 200€
is it worth it? gen 4

>>106857930
I'd buy it for 120 at most and only if it has 16 GB

>>106850438
the fact that frameworks ceo is a patel

>>106812625
T480 has the oldest intel generation officially supported by windows 11, so the prices of it will not go down for this reason. Keep in mind that the CPUs aren't that much faster than something like a quadcore ivy bridge from the qm series, just a bit more power efficient. That laptop is definitely a nice package, but NOT fast by any means, it's basically like pimping a 13 year old laptop, just with a type c port and an option to put in an nvme drive (and be restricted by the bandwidth)

>>106855972
don't look for dedicated GPUs in thinkpads, in the era of thunderbolt and usb4 being prevalent, you can use an external one in an enclosure at home, and you're going to be good with a modern AMD APU, especially with it having unified memory, meaning that it's actually somewhat decent for GPGPU tasks if you can get it up and running, which is a bit of a pain
>t. spent afternoon debugging issues with ollama's gpu detection on a ryzen ai apu

most of you people don't know what the hell you are talking about
-- posted from my t60

what's a good model for an absolute newbie who just wants to do stuff with linux

>>106861224
>stuff
What kind of stuff?

>>106858576
>Keep in mind that the CPUs aren't that much faster than something like a quadcore ivy bridge from the qm series, just a bit more power efficient
On 8th gen CPUs you can increase the power limits in Throttlestop to the same as for a quad-core ivybridge and get more performance that way.

>stinkpad has the driver bug where the backspace key permastuck until you restart
>happens to me today
so much for having the best keyboard

>>106853877
plz

>>106861238
I dunno, I'd just like to have a Linux machine in my possession and it would be a fun upgrade/replacement for my Chromebook which I mostly use for writing in my living room.

>>106861575
I guess anything newer than (and including) the T420 and X220 then.

>>106843022
>Update
Thanks for the help IDing.
Bottom most machine is a t450s, from left to right on the top is t420, x220t, and x230. Some superficial damages to the x220 and x230 but the other two are in great condition.
Only have a charger for the t450, installed an SSD and putting arch on her now. Again, total price was 2.50 so I am quite giddy. Also got a pretty new Dell Latitude with good specs for 30 dollars.
So basically, look into university surplus auctions.

>>106857721
Are you using linux on that?
I got an issue with my X61 where chromium has a lot of graphical glitches

>>106838958
>would EC mod fix this?
I think so, it seems like a problem with the extra DRM added in the xx30 generation. The same thing happened to my T470 with its fake battery (empty icon, error on boot) and connecting the battery to a T510 for a few seconds made it work again.

I have an HP ProBook 640 G1, I got the stupidest issue, it turns itself on every time I shut it down. I started plugging out the battery so it doesn't stay on for no reason while not in use. I had the thing since 2018 or something, it started doing this about 6 months ago when I switched it from Winblows to Linux. Not sure if that has anything to do with it but putting it out there.
Anyone got any ideas? I'm assuming the power button might have derped in the meantime, but I'd like some other opinions before I start tearing into the laptop.

>inb4 not a thinkpad, first post say ProBooks are fine no bully ;_;

>>106859798
>-- posted from my 20 year old e-waste

Anyone had stripped screw in unreachable places? The x230 has two screws under the express card slot, one of them is stripped. I do have the tool the remove it but it won't fit because of the express card tray. Any ideas on how I could remove it?

how long will a 72wh external battery last roughly on a t480 just running like word and a lil bit of chrome.

>>106866116
That varies a lot with hardware.
Go check out some command to give you the power draw and run it with your programs open and then do the calculations based on that.

>>106862634

I'm actually using a T60 with XP Pro 32bit with Supermium, which is based on Chromium and have had no issues, works great. T/X 60/61 are all very similar machines.

>>106859798

based T60 enjoyer

>>106865021

updooter scum

Hello Autists
i recently got a t430 and this keyboard sucks ass
i know thinkpads are ultra customizable im wondering if its possible to get a T420 keyboard and replace this awful t430 keyboard with it

Sorry for the retarded question

>>106867321
>https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Install_Classic_Keyboard_on_xx30_Series_ThinkPads

>>106867350
>https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Install_Classic_Keyboard_on_xx30_Series_ThinkPads

Thank you

>>106867451
Report back if you do it. I wanted to it to my x230 but couldn't find a x220 keyboard at the time.

Where's a good place to buy a good replacement battery for my x230?

>>106812786
latitudes used to be better, but more modern ones share too many parts with the consumer lines. soldered ram and wifi cards. BAD drivers. since switching BIOS vendors, dell firmware has also been a disaster.
came to post that i just installed a chinese AX210-on-mpcie card in my t60p but the amd graphics driver decided to take a shit when i updated mint... guess i deserved this lmao

So if I wanted to get a nuThunkpad, should I get the AMD or Intel version for the T14 G6? Use case:
>Personal daily driver
>Connecting to two monitors for some personal programming/visual studio for personal projects
>Looking at boobies

imagine talking shit about the thinkpad t60.
unbelievable.

>>106812069 (OP)
dead useless thinkpads make excellent miniature movement trays.

>>106869548
>palmrest

Was the Precision 14 3470 a good call? I looked up as much as I could, just didn't think to ask if any of you niggas already use one for some reason.

>>106865021
>20 year old e-waste
SOUL
>macbook wannabe with more ports
SLOP

>>106869241
Last time I checked AMD has better performance and value (CPU and GPU) but has less battery life
Intel has better battery life but runs slower and hotter under load
Also depends if you got a dock too I guess

>>106868252
>soldered ram
everyone does this now
its over

>>106866293
>XP Pro 32bit with Supermium
based

shinkubampu

>>106868252
>soldered ram
LPDDR is fundamentally different from normal DDR and it's basically impossible to physically arrange it in classic slotted planks.
>wifi cards
There are NO wifi cards with intel, most of the adapter is inside the CPU.

>>106871098
Soldered RAM is good though. It's basically a must for high speeds due to signal integrity constraints.
Considering integrated graphics and people wanting to do things like inference on their laptops, memory bandwidth is quite crucial, so it makes sense to just buy the maxed out version of the motherboard and go from there.

>>106870484
Looks similar to my work laptop, which is a 15 inch thing. I hope it's not intel, because mine has a bunch of firmware and hardware bugs, and throttles constantly.

Hey. I'm extremely poor and need a laptop. Which model is the best for running Linux and doing C programming? Not going to do any kind of gaming or high end computational stuff. Need it good enough for it to at least be able to play youtube videos.

>>106872481
i7 1260p. I'm gonna lower the power limits a littlie anyway so that shouldn't happen, the thing will mostly be CPU encoding animu anyway so I might even disable the T550 unless I feel like some emulated PS Double or something.

>>106838115
Underrated series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ykgKfciwso
>this is my one and only off topic post so pls don't hurt me, Janner

>>106872532
>>106861613

>>106872353
>There are NO wifi cards with intel
Sad. I googled it in disbelief and even Framework no longer lets you replace the """replaceable""" dummy card with a real PCIe/USB card.

>>106874322
Yea to add insult to injury even on the systems with "wifi slot" (desktop motherboards and some workstation laptops) intel merely copied M.2 form-factor for their proprietary CNVio slot that just separates analog part of wifi from digital to cut cost and isolate emi.
AX210 - real wifi for real PCIe slots on AMD or old intel systems.
AX211 - analog part of CNVio wifi system that's only compatible with certain specific generations of intel chipsets and CPUs.
>A computer with a CNVio slot cannot accept a CNVio2 card and a CNVio2 slot will not support a CNVio card

>>106872476
>check Intel ARC
>Up to DDR5 5200 MT/s
>Up to LPDDR5/x 6400 MT/s
huh I gotta admit I only noticed now

Any suggestions on a ebay special P series Thinkpad I could use as a cad slave? Mostly just doing simple parts in solidworks (it's what he uses) to run on a buddy's 3axis machine. Would be nice to be able to haul it over to his place or I'd just use my desktop. Most of the results I get are for 11th gen I7's with a T500 quadro which should be fine performance wise. Just not sure if that's a decent combo or has thermal problems or something.

How does everyone like the P1 series? My parents got me a P1 as a gift.

how's series E?
OK or meme?

>>106877299
>has thermal problems
yeah workstation laptops run hot as fuck but it'll be fine. expect 55-65 degree idle temps and pegging to 100 if you actually use it for 'workstation' stuff

How did I do boys? Needed a new PC for school and splurged on the P1 G7

>>106878949
>he bought intel and only 32 gigs of ram

Looking to get a really old Thinkpad on ebay as a spare laptop. I've been out of the game lately, anything to look for to not get scammed? Any advice to clean out corporate crapware or whatever shit may be left at BIOS level?

>>106879776
I just need it for school, most resource intense things I use are VS Code and Anaconda, I have a real desktop and a gayman laptop for other shit.

>>106879899
I used like 40 gigs of ram when building ollama recently on my thinkpad.

>>106879870
>really old
like a 20yo t60 or what?

what is a laptop that is
small
cheap
decent display

basically only useful as cli terminal
which models would i be looking for?

>>106880832
X series

why not just get a t60 and call it a day?

So im being offered a thinkpad yoga 11e 6th gen with the i5, 8 gigs of ram and a 250gb ssd; is it worth it for 80 dollars? I know it'a mot the TP or X series so im curious, i only want to do basic office tasks amd the occasional shitpoat

>>106881980
good deal and that laptop easily handles the internet, multimedia enjoyment such as cartoons viewing

>>106878424
I used a P1 G2 a few years ago and it wasn't bad. Feels like a T14s or X1C in terms of build quality. Nice screen, loud under load.

>>106881980
>no nipple
not a ThinkPad

thonkbomp

Are the likes of X60 and X200 still usable nowadays?

>>106883944
barely. and only if you are running some form of light linux distro.

My T400 felt sluggish running windows 7 back in the day.

>>106878949
OLED?

>>106883944
Yes but if you use it as your main computer for work, its going to be shit
Real question is if someone is going to make a replacement X60 or X200 for 2025.

>>106885038
There's an expensive aftermarket motherboard for the latter
https://www.tpart.net/

what was the last thinkpad with a upgradeable socket CPU?

>>106885094
W541

I got this small 24wh external battery for my t480, but like I charge it to 100% then after it goes to around 70% it just suddenly drops straight to like almost 0% and shuts down, this is a fuckup with the battery right? I can totally return this right

>>106885083
>https://www.tpart.net/
looks amazing. the inclusion of SATA+m.2 ssd already beats all the other lightweight laptops of the same category. i can only imagine how good the battery life is with the 9 cell and modern hardware.
only thing left that would make it better is if someone also does this for the X60/X61
that one i would buy even with import taxes

>>106885456
did you try calibrating the battery? contact seller if its new

>>106885487
how do you calibrate it? I’ve charged it from 0 to 100 a few times

>>106885679
Okay then it's dead, that's what the calibration option in TLP or Vantage would do anyway

>>106812235
They already dipped for me. Daily driving T470 and X260.

Just bought a Thinkpad X1 Nano 1st gen on Marketplace
i7 11, 16GB RAM, 512 nvme
It has 19 cycles on the battery and 8 months left on warranty
11/10 condition
I paid $100 cash to an old man for it, how did I do?

>>106886688
checked

What's a Thinkpad?

is x1 carbon the gold standard around here?
currently own a cheap as piss HP Pavilion 15" (2018 so it has done pretty well)
hate the shitty airflow (body is plastic), but like the wide matte screen. also like the AMD chipset.

any recommendations if I want something similar?
willing to pay a bit more than I did if I get a decent laptop

>>106812069 (OP)

i'm still using a T450, should I KMS?

>>106884113
Yes, mine is the OLED version, it looks pretty good.

>>106891024
There are anons using much older hardware.
But yes, you should.

I cummed on my trackpoint, what do

>>106891024
I'm still using an X200

I sure hope Morgan has full disk (and bootloader) encryption
https://www.ebay.com/itm/227022485232

i thought thinkpads were supposed to be waterproof, my cat knocked a cup of water on my T14 and now some keys don't work.

>>106893084
Real thinkpads are waterproof.

>>106893096
>>106893084
They aren't, some just have drain ports and some kind of protective layer over the motherboard so it doesn't short.

I know that the xx30's have them, not sure about prior/subsequent models.

>>106893084
Lenovo ditched the draining holes after T480.

>>106812069 (OP)
Gonna go hunting for a thinkpad around my local thrift stores tomorrow. Anything special i should look out for?

>>106893116
>Anything special i should look out for?
Crack cocaine.

>>106893116
>Anything special i should look out for?
Disappointment.

>>106893084
The spill resistance is for protecting the motherboard, not the keyboard.
Even the supposedly golden age IBM Thinkpad gets broken keyboard from a spillage. There's a reason why Lenovo didn't demonstrate the keyboard functionality in their spill test videos.

>company decided to make me head of local IT
>managed to get them to only buy L and T-series instead of ThinkBooks and E-series if new devices are needed from now on
>jokingly asked them to buy me a 32GB X13 Gen 6 because I don't wanna carry around a fuckhueg E15 Gen 1, expecting to hear NO
>sure anon
>it actually arrives today
neat.

>>106894283
good morning sir

>>106894288
We don't say good morning at 9:30 in germany

>>106894309
whatever you say Andrzej

Any way to bring back the "roll back" option in recovery? my T14s came with windows 11 and i didn't realize it had a windows 10 license until after the 10 day period

>>106873042
Cheers. Appreciate it.

>>106812069 (OP)
how do you tell the shitty scam replacement batteries from the real ones? I want to get a replacement for my x220 tablet but the last one I bought was just as shit as the one that came with it, only lasts around an hour. I want a proper one that will actually last a couple of hours at least.

>>106894960
Batteries will be new old stock at best (and expensie at that). Your best bet is to rely on returns policies.

hellow, which older thinkpad has the best screen? in terms of image output

>>106895366
Tx10 through Tx30 had ugly screens across the board while the ones before and after these had nice ones as an option. I loved the 1680x1050 screen on my old T500, shame that its hinges had to break.

>>106894960
I bought a 9-cell KingSener battery for my X220 from AliExpress, it lasts for over 8 hours. That particular brand is legit and they also have X220T batteries.
They aren't original though, they're aftermarket batteries.

>>106895366
everything IPS although thinkpad screens are still shit compared to other laptops with IPS
sad reality

>>106895366
IPSLED-modded T60

>>106895521
thanks I'll check it out

I'm the same anon as >>106894417
I wonder why the price is so low. Is this a good machine? Is there anything I should take in consideration before pulling the trigger? The site is refurbed.it, which has a good reputation on TrustPilot.

any fixes to the trackpoint going crazy for 2 seconds once every hour on linux?
journal says psmouse lost sync or something

>>106896874
This isn't low, it's a normal price for a four-year-old laptop

>>106897224
Ok. Is it still a good machine though? I'll plan to use Fedora GNOME on it.

>>106897234
I haven't used this exact one but the Yoga series seems to be solid at least between 2017 and 2023. Just keep in mind that the RAM can't be upgraded.

>>106897326
This laptop has already 32 GB of RAM, which is 4 times as much as my desktop PC which I'm using right now. Even though it's an old computer, the price actually is low compared to the other machines in the same website: the other units are in better conditions, but I wonder why this one in particular is this cheap. Hopefully its battery is in a decent state, but I wish I could check the battery condition from the website.

Should I focus on upgrading my T420 or T430

>>106897763
T420 is the last decent thinkpad

>>106897997
just know that if you have a quadcore ivy bridge, it's about as fast as the cpus in t480, so you'll want go go beyond that if you want a faster laptop

>>106872353
>There are NO wifi cards with intel
you're confusing cnvi with pcie cards. ax210 has the phy and radio on one module. ax211 is the cnvio variant with the phy in the chipset and the radio on the module. what i'm complaining about is, regardless of if it's a cnvi or pcie card, dell will solder down a m.2 1216 module on the motherboard so you couldn't upgrade it even if you wanted to. if cnvi, this isn't really a big deal because you weren't gonna be able to swap it anyway, but if the radio goes bad you're looking at a system board replacement.
i guess i just really hate laptops that are SBCs with a screen and a keyboard tacked on.

Anyone work outdoors sometimes (e.g, balcony, porch, public park)? I want to find a laptop with a decent enough anti-glare and bright enough screen to use in bright ambient sunlight (i.e: in the shade but still bright out). T1 Carbon looks good but I'm interested in my budget/used options

>>106898533
>135°C while playing a 4k youtube video
kek

>>106858459
And Lenovo's ceo is a chink, not to mention it used to be state-owned. At least framework is an American company

>>106898876
this to be desu
I like how I can limit my KLR to 10 W and have a usable mostly fanless laptop

-- posted from my t60

Do I really have to completely dissasemble my p53 to dust off the fans?

Can I just blow some canned air in from outside the chassis?

>>106841884
I use the trackpad in conjunction with the trackpoint buttons. Very good experience

>>106841884
trackpad for anything later than an x230/t430
trackpoint for everything else

square laptops making a comeback when
I don't want to use an ipad and its the only mainstream option

>>106897997
>>106897763
Elaborate.
Which of the two is the best?
>>106899221
And neither of the two give a flying fuck about you so why would you care who owns what? Just buy the best value product and go live your life.

Is X13 Gen 1 good? considering both Intel and AMD one

>>106901459
get a G2 one to avoid HD screens off the bat

I've this issue with the screen on my T430 where it had vertical lines then eventuially lead to the image distorting in waves and eventually just becomes white and takes over the whole screen until it becomes unusable (as seen in pic). The computer still works perfectly if connected to a monitor. I tried to see if it was the connection but that wasn't it (also no burnt connectors or anything of the sort). Putting pressure on the screen did manipulate the amount of vertical lines, and it was still present in the bios which tells me that it's a hardware not a software issue.

Would a screen replacement help fix this issue or could the connetor/connection to the motherboard be the issue? If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated; thanks!

>>106901942 (me)
Going to bed now so I'll reply tomorrow. As a follow-up, if a screen replacement could fix this issue, what would be a good screen to go for? The stock screen is pretty bad so I could use the opportunity to upgrade the screen.

How's the t440p? It also has a socketed CPU so what isn't it as talked about as the t430?

there's nothing I need to worry about wrt charger backwards compatibility for older usb-c thinkpads, right? I'm buying a lenovo 65w charger directly from them because I'm worried about amazon fake label chargers frying my shit

>>106903509
you can't put classic T420 keyboard on T440p, otherwise it's a pretty damn good machine. Removing the backcover is piss easy and you don't need to remove the keyboard to install ram/cpu/ssd. Personally it's my favorite T series pads, just remember to replace the clunkpad and screen.

If I could put 11th gen intel on that thing, I'd daily drive T440p for another 6 years.

>>106903628
How does the touchpad buttons work on that thing? Also is the battery still using standard 18650 batteries?

>>106903677
you want the touchpad with buttons

>>106903677
>How does the touchpad buttons work on that thing?
like modern ideapad buttons, but it has both top and bottom buttons. the feedback doesn't feel great. just replace it with T450's trackpad.

>Also is the battery still using standard 18650 batteries?
I don't know much about battery cells, sorry. But I remember mine has different battery connector than T420.

>>106899221
>At least framework is an American company
huh?

>>106903628
do you know which screen is best for the t440p?

>>106903766
18650 are 18 mm wide cylinders (or 0.7''). They're significantly wider than the thin pillow batteries you get nowadays.

>>106903677
>Also is the battery still using standard 18650 batteries?
Yes, either 6 or 9 of them

>>106904899
What's the last model that uses those?

>>106904984
T480/T580/A485/P52s for the fat rear battery, 6 cells

>>106905063
Is the connector still the same as the older models? Other than it physically not fitting, do they work on older models? What about the other way around, old battery on new laptop?

>>106905073
The connector is the same for all T-series rear batteries from around 2006 to 2018 but the battery shapes are different and won't fit usably or at all into different models.

Older models will charge batteries from newer models, e.g. T60 happily charges any T480 rear battery. In the other direction:
- T430 and later won't charge T420 and earlier batteries
- T470 and later charge most batteries from T440 through T460 (I've seen just one so far that a T460 would charge but a T470 wouldn't)
Not sure if there was a break between T430 and T440 and I don't have a T430 battery at hand to check right now.

T460s/T470s front batteries have the same connector as all the rear batteries but use a different protocol (the same one as T470/T480 front batteries) so they won't charge or even report any data when you connect them to the rear slot.

>>106905265
Do any of them have any documentation on what's going on internally with the BMS? Anything that could possibly help with rebuilding those batteries?

>>106905362
>documentation
hahaha no
You can see this long rebbit thread
https://old.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/1dgd466
and some videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WcXRyJBq7E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9okj71V2eg

>>106905362
Also these posts about the DRM added in the xx30 models
http://zmatt.net/unlocking-my-lenovo-laptop-part-1/

Am I retarded for wanting to purpose a repairable/cheap laptop (thinking an airgapped T14 be x270) as my own archival library of historic/taboo/rare/useful ebooks in case of a SHTF/digital apocalypse (looking at you digital ID in EU). Will plan to clean wipe and run Linux for OS. Only problem is I have minimal technical ability/knowledge in regard to compsci. Between Palantir, seeming digital encroachment/siloing, I just want to preserve a digital space of my own without having to worry about big brother/limited access to intellectual content I would potentially want to access.

Cant decide between x270 and T14….

>>106853834
>>106906355

Damn. I’ve literally become the meme fml.

>>106906355
X270 is more likely to get a coreboot port soon than any T14 and can give you 65% more battery runtime than T14 G1 Intel
If two cores is too few or if you need coreboot today there's always the T480 meme

>>106899569
based e-waste enjoyer

bampu

ok i got a t490. what now?

>>106911443
You get a generic laptop where the only redeemable value is non-retarded keyboard layout

is 520 bad or very bad cycle count for battery?

best used bang for buck option with a 4k screen? p15v?

just got an x1 carbon 6th gen for 90 bux no ssd or wifi card. have spare ssd, wifi card (which is a technical upgrade to wifi 6e from what it came with) cost me 15 bucks extra. total cost 105. seller completely tested functionality and tested battery health before sale, 84% left on it. also confirmed the antenna cables for the wifi card are good and not messed with. how'd i do? what should i install on it?

Is there anything like the thinkwiki for other business class laptops like the latitutes and elitebooks?

What's the most powerful thinkpad setup one can have that supports coreboot? Currently using an x1 extreme but ironically the older thinkpads have better parts availability. I know some people upgrade their CPU and use an eGPU but I'm not sure about all the weeds here. Assume I want to go all out.
>Any advice frens?
<3

why are all their workstations 15-16"? i want a xeon thinkpad with high end GPU but 14"

>>106914829
this but 13" and bulky

>>106914535
Who are you quoting? <3

As of now the most powerful corebootable models are T480/T480s which are quite a downgrade from what you have. CPU performance per core is close to X1E G1-G3 but they have only 4 cores rather than 6 or 8. Part availability isn't too rosy for these either. T480 keyboards were basically a one-off and so were T480s batteries. They also don't have a modular power jack unlike your X1E.

Both T480 and T480s have a gimped Thunderbolt port with half the usual bandwidth (PCIe 3 x2 instead of x4), and the models with an onboard discrete GPU aren't very future-proof since the GPU takes so much of the thermal budget. I'm not much of a GPU user so I can't say how problematic the Thunderbolt bandwidth is.

T430 and T440p have 1/4 of the max RAM and 1/2 of the max eGPU bandwith of the T480(s) but fill other niches such as storagemaxxing, key travel and chassis strength.

My 11e does everything I need.

L14 Gen 6 with some Ryzen 5 Pro or what every i5 intel is currently offering?
The E15 Gen 1 in my workplace need replacing soon

>>106916535
AMD still beats Intel for performance in the lower cost models

>>106916700
it's not 2005 anymore

what's the best used thinkpad for gaming?

>>106916864
Depends on what gaming you are doing, retard. If all you want to "game" is old games like half life and whatever, then anything Sandybridge and newer will be fine. Otherwise, look for the one with either a reasonably powerful dedicated GPU, or one with a working and non-fried Thunderbolt port for you to add an eGPU.

>>106915534
>PCIe 3 x2 instead of x4
What kind of horseshit are you yapping about? Thunderbolt 3/4 never runs THAT fast