Thread 106837285

https://larslofgren.com/codesmith-reddit-reputation-attack/

The rustling evangelists u/STL and u/foonathan endorse Rust, protect the convicted rapist Arthur O'Dwyer, and deletes people that defends C++, all on r/cpp. And this article sounds eerily similar.

is Rust any good?

Hacker News thread:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45521920

It's interesting how one schizo can create a narrative like this. You see it a lot on 4chan too, but it's usually more contained.

>>106838695
>schizo
Is Michael Novati really a schizo, and not a ruthless, psychopathic competitor, who had a lot of success with his harassment in some regards, at least if the article of the OP is to be trusted? Less mental illness, more being evil? Though one does not exclude the other.

A lawsuit might make sense.

>>106837285 (OP)
Have you tried posting this to reddit?

>>106838756
Doxx and Kiwithread IMO

>>106838756
You're right. I was using schizo in more of a 4chan type of meaning, ie people who aggressively try to derail and control narratives. Very common in generals, but also per board schizos etc.

I think the problem, that the author brings up, is how unreasonable it is to fight back against something like it. Naming and shaming will obviously be effective, like in this case, but it's so much work when nothing concrete is ever stated and every source is secret.

>>106838830
It's a whole thing, Michael repeats some of the patterns described.

https://www.reddit.com/r/codingbootcamp/comments/1o1guxj/thoughts_on_this_blog_post_alleging_harassment/

>>106838844
One thing does not justify another. Go the legal and societal routes, thank you very much.

>>106837491
If you want to do memory safe embedded programming sure but it’s gotta be a new project with a team who wants to learn a new language

>>106838888
>Very common in generals, but also per board schizos etc.
True, for instance, the rustling evangelists have been especially active in /g/. And other forums as well. Like, when Linus Torvalds himself tells a major rustling evangelist to stop his social media brigading, it's way, way beyond the pale what the rustling evangelists are doing.
https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/6/1292
>However, I will say that the social media brigading just makes me not want to have anything at all to do with your approach.

>>106838950
Rust isn't great for that, even non-unsafe Rust does not guarantee memory safety when using no_std. And unsafe can be required, and unsafe Rust is more difficult than C and C++.

>>106838950
>>106838969
Ada/SPARK, or proper verification of sorts, should give not only memory safety, but general correctness. And since people can perfectly well die due to bugs in a memory safe program, general correctness is more important and desirable.

>>106838912
Doxxing is legal in the US.
The farms only allow 1A protected speech.

>>106838950
>>106838992
>""""""having memory safety""""""
means nothing what you really want is no bugs, you can do that in c/c++ if you are competnent

>>106839084
I am not a lawyer, but independent of laws, why not keep it to proper lawsuits and such?

>>106839091
If lives are at stakes, formal verification, like Ada/SPARK, and other proper verification tools and processes, etc., just as I wrote, should be involved. >>106838992

>>106839105
Lawsuits are expensive, and you still might lose.
US is a very free speech biased area. So long as we have the 1A, "defamation" is very difficult to prove. Both defamation AND doxxing will see an uphill battle in court because of the 1A.
Frankly, the answer is to fight speech with speech. If they are getting dirty with defamatory moderation, then doxxing is the most appropriate response.
That's just the reality of the society the 1A creates.

>>106839151
be your own lwaeyr

>>106839151
You sound like Michael Novati. Are you him?

Why is USA filled with evil people and why do they seem to win? I'm glad USA is going down. Get fucked.

>>106839435
Maybe save or reform it instead.

>>106837285 (OP)
>u/STL
The head moderator of r/cpp and MSVC STL dev?
The last time he talked about rust was 7 months ago when someone accused him of being a rust evangelist and promptly got mocked for it:
https://old.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1irevab/odr_violations_and_contracts_it_seems_extremely/md86qy1/
Were you the guy schizoing out?

>>106839194
Did you just say I sound like a redditor?
Fuck you. Nigger.

>>106840307
Be more kind to yourself.

>>106840234
He's best buddies with u/foonathan, and have covered for him several times, and you skipped u/foonathan's history. And a lot have been deleted, the moderators have also deleted some of their own comments, much like in the description of https://larslofgren.com/codesmith-reddit-reputation-attack/ .

And whatever that link is, all I can say is that I'm not a schizo, unlike many rustling evangelists.

Will you show u/foonathan's history, assuming u/foonathan haven't deleted it?

>>106840234
>>106840753
You could also try to see how quickly u/stl deletes any mentions of Arthur O'Dwyer. https://reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1n1b408/at_cppcon_2019_arthur_odwyer_said_binary/nb0hzfm/

Do you deny that u/stl and u/foonathan protect Arthur O'Dwyer?

Jeremy Bicha.
>SEX BAT BY JUVEN/VCTM UNDER 12; F.S. 794.011(2) (PRINCIPAL - 2 COUNTS)
Pedophile.
Rust developer.
PPA for Rust.
https://launchpad.net/~jbicha/+archive/ubuntu/rust

Mental health, pronouns and alter egos are at the very least trends in Rust. Also as the community Rust Discord server goes.

Hector Martin.
Insisting that Asahi Lina is not his alter ego.

https://aturon.github.io/tech/2019/06/25/back-in-the-saddle/

https://fasterthanli.me/articles/state-of-the-fasterthanlime-2024
https://fasterthanli.me/articles/that-health-is-mental

>>106840803
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeremyBicha
>I am a United States Navy Veteran and spent 2007-2010 living in Bahrain. I currently live in Florida. I joined Canonical in 2022 but my Ubuntu story started much earlier.

https://wng.org/articles/the-high-cost-of-negligence-1617309216
>Florida prosecutors weren’t forgetting: The U.S. Navy discharged Jeremy, and when he reached U.S. soil, authorities arrested him. He eventually pleaded no contest to two counts of sexual battery on a child under 12 while he was under 18. His defense attorney asked for less than a year in the county jail. The prosecutor asked for 15 years in state prison.

>>106840234
https://old.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1it3kg0/cpp_discussed_as_a_rust_replacement_for_linux/mdrvea4/
https://old.reddit.com/r/cpp/comments/1it3kg0/cpp_discussed_as_a_rust_replacement_for_linux/mds7nho/

>The "astroturfing" has been a feature of this place for going on a decade now. Stealth marketing. Vote brigading. They targeted activists with their messaging so got all of those tactics for free. I kept mentioning it under my old handle going on a decade ago, before your time as a mod. It's faded now that endless chat about Rust has been normalised here, but in the beginning it was jarringly obvious.
>Now it's just the former honcho popping in and spreading honest to goodness wholesome positive vibes about Rust together with converts whenever an opportunity arises. The negativity here about cpp is palpable and it didn't happen organically.

And there are a variety of comments by u/foonathan where u/foonathan's hostility to C++ and ISO C++, and friendliness to Rust, in r/cpp, are very clear. And u/foonathan even had the gal to pretend to be against Arthur O'Dwyer, the convicted rapist, all while he and u/stl still protect Arthur.

Are you one of them? You could, for instance, tell us who is sponsoring Arthur O'Dwyer at ISO C++, such that pressure could be put on the sponsor, and Arthur hopefully finally get kicked out of ISO C++.
And no, considering that zero papers that Arthur made for C++26 got accepted, and Arthur in one paper whined about people not seeming to like him, the issue does not appear to be the C++ community, constrained as they are by ISO rules.

>>106840753
>>106840790
>>106840803
>>106840809
>>106840990
Not reading all that, take your meds

I've been coming to r/codingbootcamp for a few years as hot posts there would come up in my home feed from time to time, because I like laughing at the losers who post there and presumably are considering, going to, or graduated from a coding bootcamp. This Michael Novati guy, seen him comment on what must be thousands of posts and it's extremely obvious this is a PR move to establish himself as a trusted voice in the tech bootcamp industry, in other words a money/business play for him as people will be more likely to use his services when they get used to this guy calmly and respectfully commenting on lots of posts with advice like some sort of sleazy kike salesman. I knew exactly who this article was about when I saw the headline on Hackernews the other day and trust me, the article is 100% on point.

>>106841516
That is yourself that you are describing. But thanks for your concession.
>>106840803
>>106840809

I dont give a FUCK what the cunts on reddit are doing

software innovation for today's kids it is to conduct guerrilla warfare against their own organizational verticals (a vertical it is like a tread with nodes that go downstream from the CEO until the last grunt in the trenches to define chain of command), just like their fathers do everyday in their jobs.

>>106837709
lmaooo that nigga desperately running damage control all over the page then getting downvoted to shit

go back to bluesky

>>106837709
Looks like a bunch of people arguing about conservative subleddits.

Everyone on this thread, see pic.

No one gives a fuck about reddit. No gives a fuck about one guy who may or may not be on the Rust dev team.

This is just a schizo guilt by association nocoder thread.

OP is a giant faggot.

How about people who actually code debate the merits of each language, and I don't mean someone who learned the language once for a college class.

>>106837285 (OP)
Btw, I am learning Rust. No evangelist had to tell me to do so. I just want a memory safe language that is performant.

I don't care if someone on reddit who may or may not like a language is a mass child rapist murderer.

It is totally fucking irrelevant. Why is /g/ like this?

>>106844768
You are referring to yourself, as evidenced by
>>106840803
>>106840809

>>106845544
No you

>>106845567
Except
>>106840803
>>106840809
>>106844768
proves it's about (You).

>>106845544
>>106845613
Yep I'm Jeremy Bitcha. Last I checked this isn't Kiwifarms faggot.

>>106845668
Pedophile, kill yourself.

>>106845674
Is someone mad? Can I show you the way to leddit and the farms? Maybe you can be their newest cow.

>>106845681
That image applies to (You).
>>106840803
>>106840809

https://materialize.com/blog/rust-concurrency-bug-unbounded-channels/
https://media.defense.gov/2022/Nov/10/2003112742/-1/-1/0/CSI_SOFTWARE_MEMORY_SAFETY.PDF
https://bpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/sites.gatech.edu/dist/a/2878/files/2022/10/OSSI-Final-Report-3.pdf
https://archive.ph/uLiWX
https://archive.ph/rESxe
https://lkml.org/lkml/2025/2/6/1292
https://github.com/microsoft/typescript-go/discussions/411#discussioncomment-12464988
https://lwn.net/Articles/1030517/
https://github.com/lcnr/solver-woes/issues

>>106838756
He is simply a sadist on a personal mission to cause harm to others for the purpose of causing harm.

It's not about competition. Someone who goes to codesmith is not his lost customer, since they do screening and filtering of applicants. They don't take infinite people, their programs are always full.
In the blog post you can see comments of other CEOs of bootcamps who prais one another. Their market isn't competitive.

Most shills are sadists. And often times their sadism works against them.
Think about Israel shills running around and celebrating dead babies.
The whole Ukraine information warfare lost its most major appeal... the victim role... when NAFO repeatedly demanded genocide and torture.
Or leftoids on twitter when they wanted to rev up and kill all the unvaxxed.

The sadist shill in this example sadly never went on such a openly hateful psychotic rant, so he could go for longer and more successful.

It appears my superiority has caused some controversy.

This guy used the standard soviet/russian propaganda tactics. If you grew up in lie-filled shitholes, such style is easily recognisable. There a lot of fun examples daily on this site.

The problem is that most of the Internet population did not grow up in lie-filled shitholes and does not have any resistance to it. The second problem is that there is no clear solution to this. The Internet was dead because of this before AI and now it will drill the ground to the hells abyss.

>>106845759
Do you even understand what you have just posted?

>>106845770
No arguments. I accept your concession.

>>106845769
https://users.rust-lang.org/t/cargo-outdated-vs-plain-cargo/128180/2

>>106845781
How would that somehow retroacticely fix the pain that Nix and many others encountered?
https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/127343#issuecomment-2295313993
Do you not see the 300+ items on that issue? In 2024, when Rust was supposed to be stable?

The faggot is (You), not me.

>>106845880
>retroacticely
>retroactively

>>106837285 (OP)
lmao

>>106845894
I wonder if >>106845740 was written by Michael Novati, since he claims that competition was not what it was about.

>>106845917
Because being a psychotic sadist, who only wants to cause harm, is much better than being a shill acting on economic interests, right?

>>106846103
Michael Novati, it's obvious that you're trying to distract from the obvious motive that you have.

>>106839117
Nobody uses Ada. It's a personal zogbot language.
And the defense contractors using it are known for fucking shit up and get jets crashed when they cross timezones.

If you consider Ada an option for anything, you either have no idea and spread zogbot propaganda for the sake of it - or you are part of some defense contractor, in which case your performance doesn't matter, since they are government jobs with no risk, they don't have to compete.

>>106846412
is the situation with ada truly that dire?

why would ferrocene, of rust infamy, team up with adacore then?

>>106846594
What is dire about it?
Defense contractors swim in money. They can produce utter garbage and will still earn billions with it.
Safety is not a consideration for them. Nobody cares about a soldier dying because of his equipment failing. It's part of war and normalized.
In fact, they even claim equipment failures where there are none. It is far less embarrassing to die because of some rare bug in muh state-of-the-art gear than to admit to have gotten killed by a sandal wearing goat herder.

The F-22 with a unit cost of USD 400 million had a complete software crash because its Ada written operating system couldn't deal with a timezone change.
No other branch would accept that. But for the defense industry, this is alright.

I understand why there are Ada (or now Rust) zogbot shills here. Shilling is their thing. They have departments for the purpose of shilling. It's their "informational war".
Shilling for Ada on /g/ is the equivalent of the /meg/ - Military Enlistment General on /k/.
The only jobs you might get with Ada, are defense contractors. They tell you to work for ZOG, without openly saying it out loud.
The problem is that defense contractors don't hire on merit. They are under full DEI influence, nepotism and quotas. You aren't going to get that job anyway, no matter how good you are.

>>106846412
>Aside from advances in air vehicle and propulsion technology, the F-22's avionics were unprecedented in complexity and scale for a combat aircraft, with the integration of multiple sensors systems and antennas, including electronic warfare, communication/navigation/identification (CNI), and software of 1.7 million lines of code written in Ada.
>The F-22 was first deployed overseas in February 2007 with the 27th Fighter Squadron to Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan.[238] This first overseas deployment was initially marred by problems when six F-22s flying from Hickam AFB, Hawaii, experienced multiple software-related system failures while crossing the International Date Line (180th meridian of longitude). The aircraft returned to Hawaii by following tanker aircraft. Within 48 hours, the error was resolved and the journey resumed.[239][240]

And Boeing uses Ada some of the time.
https://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/80932/what-programming-languages-is-boeings-mcas-written-in
The MCAS involved in crash?
And Boeing has a poor reputation, with all the civilian crashes and fatalities. And some whistleblowers assassinated? Though it may or may not be related to what programming languages they are using. And I do not know much about Boeing, nor their track record relative to other companies and competitors in the markets they are engaged in.

One comment:
>SPARK is increasingly replacing Ada since it is more assurable and removes a lot of the Ada ambiguities.

So users of the SPARK dialect of Ada think that there are "ambiguities" in the main dialect of Ada.

I can understand the goal of ensuring that vendors can earn money from innovation, and I assume that SPARK is private sector. But having dialects like that, possibly giving a commercial incentive to not fix the main dialect, or even worsen it, rubs me the wrong way. Like, the Ada/SPARK dialect might have pattern matching, and the main dialect does not yet have it as far as I know.

>>106846679
>The F-22 with a unit cost of USD 400 million had a complete software crash because its Ada written operating system couldn't deal with a timezone change.
>No other branch would accept that. But for the defense industry, this is alright.
There have been crashes for civilian aircraft, especially with Boeing, with hundreds of fatalities.

>>106846412
>>106846679
Are you from Israel?

>>106846942
>>106846880
Boeing is the third largest defense contractor on the world.

>>106847271
how much do they use ada and c++ and other languages?

>>106845762
Oh please he's not that great. He's just a overachieving moron.
Hundreds of retards do that to threads on here every day.

>>106849286
>a overachieving

I think the Codesmith guy fucked Michael's wife. It's the only reasonable explanation for posting every day about a specific random bootcamp every single day for 4 years straight.

>>106837709
I only skimmed the article, but despite trying to sound like the victim, the author provides far more damning indications that the "bootcamp" was some weirdo cult filled with sex pests all under the guise of teaching you worthless coding memes.
Or is this the joke and I'm just late to this here party?