Thread 106840607

CHINA JUST WEAPONIZED THE ENTIRE RARE EARTH SUPPLY CHAIN

get used to reading chinese MOFCOM bulletins because they're writing american industrial policy now.

announced today: any product containing >0.1% chinese rare earth materials needs beijing's approval before re-export to third countries.

doesn't matter if you manufactured it in taiwan, vietnam, or texas.

chinese dysprosium in your magnet? chinese gallium in your chip? beijing gets veto power over the sale.

this is the nuclear option. US spent 3 years trying to deny china access to advanced chipmaking tools. china just responded with chokehold on literally every semiconductor fab, AI data center, defense contractor, and EV manufacturer on earth.

everything runs on chinese rare earths. building alternative supply chains takes 5-10 years minimum.

we don't have 5-10 years. effective december 1st.

the AI boom just hit a hard ceiling and we're still pretending we can offshore our way to prosperity.

time to reindustrialize like our lives depend on it. because they do.

>>106840607 (OP)
>this is the nuclear option. US spent 3 years trying to deny china access to advanced chipmaking tools. china just responded with chokehold on literally every semiconductor fab, AI data center, defense contractor, and EV manufacturer on earth.
damn, thats good then. fuck the USA kikes trying to bully the country they turned into a work slave (destroying american industry in the process)
our only enemy is the kiked system

>>106840607 (OP)
who cares? return to agrarian days. modernity and tech sucks.

There are alternatives to china in the works
Japan funded Vietnamese mines over the last 10 years that now account for 40pc of their supply
Angola is on track to produce by 2027
The united states was actually the biggest supplier of rare Earths until the Chinese came in. That was all from a single mine iirc. They tried getting it back up and running a few years back, but the Chinese squeezed them out again. Should be possible to bring that back online relatively quick esp if burgers make it a nat soc priority
That said, these new restrictions might just be part of the us trade negotiations - t bh from the outside it looks like things are going south; need the press to actually do their job and get some leaks. Can't rely on either trump or xi regimes to provide good info officially

>>106840687
china still will still be winning lmao they own all the ports and africa

>>106840607 (OP)
fuck they going to do about shit that's happening outside china, retard?

>>106840607 (OP)
>>106840638
based, this is what the USA deserves for allowing kikes to take control of their entire government, hopefully they stop existing soon so israel can finally die

>china seethes about US attempting to decouple
>provides more incentive for the US to decouple

>>106840705
That's fine.
Prices will go up because of this.
The other possible read here is that Xi has become AGI-pilled and if we're about to see a nationalised effort. The halt on h200 orders, now this.

>>106840723
One is done by the US government, with controls in place by the US government to ensure that the impact to the economy is minimized. The other is done by the Chinese government, with the likely goal to force the US government to remove tariffs and create more beneficial trade deals for China.
>provides more incentive for the US to decouple
That hasn't been working too well with the semiconductor shit, why would this be any different? The USA pissed away any competitive advantages they had by allowing companies to build factories in China and sell the products in the USA. Last I checked the US dollar's value was in free fall, so it's not like they'll be able to just subsidize their local production to compete with China either.

>>106840687
Anons on X were saying this new goes beyond just rare earth and affects other things like drilling oil and gas.

>>106840746
>halt on h200 orders
dont they need more gpu for agi?

>>106840819
AGI is Star Wars: the chink edition, but US is the one getting gaslit.

>>106840782
Trump and MAGA has already shown that they're willing to burn the economy to the ground to get what they want

>>106840788
Yeah it's a lot of stuff.

>>106840819
They do, but American HW is a security risk so it had to be phased out eventually. Someone in the CCP may think a hard cutoff is needed to push labs into accelerating their local ecosystem.

>>106840819
agi doesn't exist bro

>>106840869
59 is missing. Whys that one hidden lol

>>106840607 (OP)
yawn. this is just a negotiation tactic.

>>106840866
>Trump and MAGA has already shown that they're willing to burn the economy to the ground to get what they want
>my Israeli asset is better than your Israeli asset!!!
I'd forgive anybody if they restored the USA's sovereignty.

>>106840607 (OP)
so prices will keep rising until moral improves?

>>106840705
>Owning Africa is a win
Did no one learn from the Americans?

>>106840607 (OP)
Fucking magnets

>>106841060
there will be negotiation and china will get something and this will be nothing. the US will start subsidizing development of alternate sources of rare earth minerals.

>>106841084
>africa for africans
'fraid not

>>106841114
>the navy visited, they're basically all chinese now!

>>106841151
AHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, you precious little tulip! "The navy visited, they're basically all Chinese now!" You sound like a nervous house cat reporting a particularly aggressive shadow. 'Visited'? That's not a visit, sweet cheeks! That's a goddamn HOSTILE TAKEOVER and you're calling it a tea party!

China isn't 'visiting' Africa, you damp napkin! They OWN the damned place! They didn't sail a big, friendly sailboat over to offer a loan with a handshake. They've got the deeds, the mines, the ports, and the local politicians in their back pocket, all for the price of a few shiny skyscrapers that'll be dust in a decade. It's a resource vacuum, you ninny!

And what's the Great Ol' U.S. of A doing while the natsocs are buying up the planet's backbone? Oh, they're INVESTING IN AI! BWA-HA-HA! Building a bigger, better calculator while the competition is cornering the market on FUCKING ROCKS that make your whole world GO! They're trading the very earth for an over-hyped chatbot that can write a term paper!

It's the ultimate gag, isn't it? The West is a corpse, too busy arguing about which pronoun to use and how to make a truly ethical algorithm, while the Dragon is simply saying, "Yours. Mine. Everything's mine." And you think a nice little 'visit' from a boat is the punchline? No, you are the punchline, you delusional little optimist! The world runs on magnets and minerals, and you've got your head buried in a silicon valley fantasy!

Keep coping, darling. Maybe your AI will write you a sweet little lullaby about how everything's going to be just fine! HAHAHAHAHA!

>>106841202
The US doesn't need natural resources. It has plenty. It needs a depressed economy so the citizenry will be desperate enough to go mine natural resources again.

>>106841202
>skyscrapers
so you actually don't know what you're talking about. china likes to build roads. it's easier to strip a country's natural resources if you give them nice roads.

>>106840687
all the research for clean and efficient extraction and refining is done in china for the past few decades, and even if trump goes the next election cycle (he won't, he's in like hitler) and america builds their shit in the turd world it'll be an unmitigated disaster. also china dominates a spectrum of the supply chain which no other country has the competency to replicate.
america built shit because of the education pipeline. nothing is getting done without that getting fixed. instead america is getting bled dry by private equity in a dizzying number of aspects that there is no conceivable hope for anyone to patch them all in any sort of timeframe. the asset hoarding that comes from this only enforces the feedback loop and further seals your decline.

>>106840607 (OP)
I look forward to all you retards getting drafted.

>>106840723
china decoupling with america is a net benefit to them at this point. just because trump's doing it doesn't mean it's good for the country.
>they seemed mad
priming their moral justification to the public for what's to come. obviously a structured response takes time, but it happened.

>>106840607 (OP)
Where is the link?

>>106840607 (OP)
It’s not going to matter.
The US are experts at getting around that with false front companies around the world.
Remember when they built the SR-71 Blackbird with Russian Titainium?
It’s possible, due to hubris, that this generation can’t pull off things like that anymore, but there is probably enough vestigial capabilities handed to them by their forefathers to make this a non-issue.

>>106842849
It’s been in the news for years.

>>106840687
How long will it take to get infrastructure up and running, too little too late, the government in the US is just looting the public through tariffs and inflation after which the parasites will move on to the next host, asia

>>106841151
China has been exploiting Africa extensively for a while now.
Literally just search for it and you'll find endless results. It should be common knowledge.
It's where the
>it's all so tiresome
meme comes from.

>>106841084
If the Empire of Dust movie taught me anything. Nothing ever happens in Africa until different superpower decide to get into pissing content by supplying them with guns to shoot each other.

>>106842939
>Literally just search for it and you'll find endless results. It should be common knowledge.
this is a particularly interesting thing to look at
>2017
https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/ghana-hunt-chinese-machines
>2023
https://www.atnews.co.za/240-illegal-gambling-machines-destroyed-as-asylum-seekers-warned-against-breaking-sa-laws/
>Monama raised the concerns during the demolition of 240 illegal gambling machines, mostly Chinese Roulettes, that were confiscated at various spaza shops across the province through the help of “community spy networks.”
>“Today we meet here once again to dispose of 240 illegal gambling machines which have been confiscated from spaza shops mostly owned by foreign nationals throughout the province. A very disturbing observation is that these foreign nationals have been in the country as asylum seekers, temporary in the Republic of South Africa, but their deeds are against the laws of this country,” said Monama.
>“We cannot therefore as government just fold our arms and watch our economy being robbed by people whose only interest is to fill their pockets without ploughing back to the community that is so in need of service delivery.
kek yellow jews

>>106840607 (OP)
>any product containing >0.1% chinese rare earth materials needs beijing's approval before re-export to third countries.
yeah im sure america will be following this lol

>>106843148
>im sure america will be following this
The companies that buy the metal from China will be, otherwise they'll stop getting the metal.

>>106840607 (OP)
>get used to reading chinese MOFCOM bulletins because they're writing american industrial policy now.
I saw that twitter post. At least leave the link if you're going to copy it verbatim.

>HOW DARE THEY NOT ADHERE TO THE PRINCIPLES OF FREE TRADE!?
>WAR NOW!!!
>hello mr goldstein ford? Y-yes sir I banned EVs like you asked
>y-yes sir i also choked them out of lithium
>W-what do you mean they found lithium deposits!?
>I WANT THEM, WAR NOW!!!!

>>106843515
Who are you quoting

>>106842899
The US mines should spin up quickly once the price of the commodity increases, thanks to China, and US production becomes economically feasible.
Furthermore the tarrifs are no looting, although plenty of that is happening, they are a tax increase. The state needs to raise funds and an income tax increase is a political nogo. The tarrifs on the other hand tax those who spend and is popular with atleast half of the country. You also have the added benefit of possible on-shoring.
The US empire is in the terminal phase but that phase can last near a long time, easily the lifetime of you or I.
The empire is a machine and even with a lack of maintenance and idiots at the helm it will continue to move forward.

>>106843515
Yes this is consistent with the Law of the Free Market, retard.

>>106843702
>US empire
Israel's vassal colony. They'll keep fucking it over and over until it's in a worse state than Venezuela.

>>106843775
You have it backwards. Israel is the vassal but the Sunday people are one of the major elite factions and naturally they divert treasure from the US to Israel, their colony.

>>106843905
>>106843702
you're a retard. america can't even get power to data centers and you're having fantasies about spinning up mines and processing rare earth?

with who? who is going to do it? in america according to americans they're too lazy and stupid so you need to import infinity jeets and browns to work? so are jeets and africans going to be the technical experts processing it? lmao. fucking idiot. america doesn't have time to do this ignoring the fact it's impossible since our collapsing shithole country has an iq that gets lower each year. by the end of this decade america will be only 34-39% white drastically falling. it's done and over. the judeocracy is finished.

>>106843905
>Israel is the vassal
why the FUCK would the vassal have blackmail material on every single fucking politician in the USA if it's the vassal? are you fucking braindead? trump over here is crying about how badly netanyahu is fucking him with this retarded arab shit every week, it's comical how they keep bombing children every time trump tricks someone into a ceasefire

>>106844034
Israel is the vassal because their center of power is places like New York and Hollywood not Tel Aviv. Do you understand ? The US is their empire and Israel is their colony.
>>106843922
Don't be an idiot the US still has a manufacturing sector and it can still produce commodities. The state of the empire is poor but even in its degraded state it can still drill for oil and manufacturer items. Not the same as China mind you but if rare earths are needed they will be produced.
People have been saying the empire will die any day know for decades and it still lumbers on.

>>106844081
>their center of power is places like New York and Hollywood not Tel Aviv
you're such a fucking idiot
the USA will become completely irrelevant long before israel does

>>106844133
Israel can't exist without the support of the US in the UN. It would be a pariah without the US veto in the security council.
Regardless if you think the empire will just die because of Chinese export controls you are mistaken. The Chinese still peg their currency to the dollar and oil is still traded in the dollar.
All that will happen is things will get more expensive, quality of life will decline a bit, and life will do on. The masses hardly notice as long as they have their Netflix and corn syrup.

>>106843702
>The tarrifs on the other hand tax those who spend and is popular with atleast half of the country.

>>106844198
Call it 2/5, whatever. It was more popular before they were enacted and that is all that matters. People were sold a lie, sure, but what is the alternative? Do you think an income tax increase would be more popular?

>>106844044
for the past 10 years, 2 billion chinks have been drilling more than the rests' entire history. The "known reserves" are all they have, they found all there is

>>106844184
>Israel can't exist without the support of the US in the UN
I'm pretty sure the billions and billions of dollars the US sends to them is enough to keep them alive. They also have hundreds of nukes and are ready to use them on everyone in the event of an existential threat, so other countries are compelled to protect them even if the US is not capable of that.

>>106844184
The UN GA is a joke and utterly irrelevant.

>>106844229
retard nigger the shit in the ground isn't the problem. it's the 20 years of totally unique and chinese only expertise when it comes to processing it. it's the fact they've been inventing and developing the processing of it further than anybody else. nobody else on earth has those engineers with that real practical experience. in america boomer pieces of shit are taking all their trade knowledge to the grave with them and gen-x is a bunch of metrosexual faggots so there's nobody who knows how to do this.

>>106840607 (OP)
>our lives depend on it
Who's "our"? Because I'm not a kike

>>106844247
>I'm pretty sure the billions and billions of dollars the US sends to them is enough to keep them alive.
If they can't survive without US dollars they won't outlive the US. Furthermore nuclear weapons are near useless and make little sense outside the cold war paradigm.
>>106844248
It is symptomatic of a greater issue. Other people are sick of their shit and without the might of the US empire they are toast. The colony has little support in the region and many enemies waiting for a time to act.

>>106844227
Tariffs are broadly unpopular and the only people supporting them are christcuck boomers whose only political position is keeping Zion Don in power to serve Israel.

This is before the impact of tariffs has properly made its way to people’s wallets too. Some tariffs haven’t come into effect, some goods are still coming out of untariffed inventory or ships who left port before the cut off date. Many companies said they would eat the cost, for a time, but eventually would have to raise prices.

He’s completely crashed the economy and the only thing propping it up is massive spending on AI.

The revenue isn’t even being used to pay down the deficit, it’s being used as leverage to increase the debt even more.

The government shutdown is about preventing the Epstein files from being released and exposing the Jewish pedophile blackmail ring that Zion don is a part of.

>>106844287
deficit and debt are two different things, regardless the debt will always increase because that is how the systems is designed.
Without the tariffs money would have to be raised some other way and we would still be in the same shit situation. Why do you think the student loan program changed? Another easy day to gin up some revenue.
Trump is clearly an agent of the regime and things would play out much the same regardless of who was president.
>muh Epstein
Who cares? They are all dirty. Every politician and person in power. You don't need to see the files to know this. The empire runs on blackmail and this is not new. Epstein is dead and someone took his place and it is still happening. It will always happen. Wake the fuck up

chinkcel fantasy thread
just two more weeks til xi takes taiwan or something

>>106840607 (OP)
>USA bails out Argentina with a $20,000,000,000 financial aid package
>Argentina then turns around to sell $10,000,000,000 worth of soi beans to China
>this undercuts global soi bean market prices by 50%
>USA has to bail out soi bean farmers with $15,000,000,000
>now there is not only is China not buying soi beans from the US, the US can't sell soi beans ANYWHERE because Argentina lowered global soi bean prices by 50% by selling to China

I remember when Americans would cope saying they could starve China out for years. Now they're buying $0 in American agriculture because there's no incentive for them to do so. They only purchased expensive American farm products because it hinged on a trade deal with them. With the US backing out of the trade deal and threatening to tariff China (Trump is now on a 270-day tariff pause with China) there's no need for China to buy shit from the US anymore, and they can get agriculture 50% cheaper because Brazilian farmers work for $10,000 a year instead of $100,000 a year.

>>106840607 (OP)
Nothing ever happens

>>106844910
Lol is this stupidity or deliberate sabotage I can't tell anymore

Tariffs are probably the greatest move America has done in its history. The Chinese MUST sell us shit, they cant replace the market. And they MUST sell even at a loss because otherwise gl hf burying all that chinkshit in a landfill. So they make us rich while selling us stuff at normal prices (because the consumer wont buy if they just hike the price). We are bleeding them dry while lining our pockets which is why they do desperate moves like this.

>>106844968
I'm from the eu and I'm glad I still get cheap stuff from china, maybe you're not important

Something to consider

Canada has more Rare Earth minerals that the world needs in the next century.

It will only hurt China miners.

>>106840607 (OP)
>CHINA JUST WEAPONIZED THE ENTIRE RARE EARTH SUPPLY CHAIN
Just shows that the US are led by donkeys. South Africa offered the Trump Administration access to its rare earth minerals including allowing American companies to frack for gas in the Northern Cape and signing a 10 year deal to import US natural gas.
The Trump Administration turned down the offer and instead decided to play "white genocide in South Africa" psyop games. No wonder China is laughing.

>>106840607 (OP)
Should i be implessed?

>>106843702
tariffs are a regressive tax. obbb also had tax breaks.

>>106844333
trump and epstein is different from the others because trump was actually besties with him and hung out with him not only for the opportunities but because he actually liked being a paedo, just like epstein was.

>>106844287
Companies have no choice but to eat the cost.
>They’ll raise their prices!
Ok so why haven’t they done that before? Oh right, less people would buy it which would decrease total revenue.

>>106840607 (OP)
>Samarium
>Dysprosium
I don’t remember these on the periodic table, is this the Mandela Bears effect

>>106840687
>bring it online
That money is going to Israel thoughbeit

>>106843511
>>106842849
https://sinocism.notion.site/October-9-2025-Ministry-of-Commerce-GAC-Export-Control-actions-28784ece41d78059ba33cb4cca154bf4

>>106844044
They call that conquest famalam.
Three gorges, china is food import dependent, doesnt even have enough meat as is etc etc

>>106846374
China has nuclear weapons, you're not conquering anything, yankee

>>106846384
Bunch of styrofoam filled duds no doubt

CHINA'S MINISTRY OF TRANSPORT: STARTING OCTOBER 14, 2025, SPECIAL PORT CHARGES WILL BE IMPOSED ON VESSELS OWNED BY U.S. COMPANIES, ORGANIZATIONS, OR INDIVIDUALS.
SPECIAL PORT CHARGES TO BE LEVIED ON VESSELS OPERATED BY U.S. ENTITIES, VESSELS OWNED OR OPERATED BY ENTITIES WITH 25%+ U.S. EQUITY OR CONTROL, VESSELS FLYING THE U.S. FLAG, AND VESSELS BUILT IN THE U.S

>>106840607 (OP)
All of there minerals can be found in the United States. The only reason they aren't mined here is because China has a billion people living in abject poverty so mining labor costs are practically free there. If it becomes a national security concern, the US government will just fund the mining operations here and we won't need to import any of them from China anymore.

>>106846926
But the problem is that's 10 years away if you economic, regulatory, and industrial bottlenecks slow things down.

>>106846926
This isn't minecraft, you can't just hit a funny block with a pickaxe to make minerals pop out

>>106846975
No, that anon is correct. There's one mine in the U.S. that can handle all this rare earth metal mining, but it can't compete with China. So the U.S. government would need to subsidize it, cut red tape, cut the bottlenecks to speed it up

>>106847004
PLEEEEEASE cut all the red tape around mining americachads. That never ever went wrong. Those pesky regulations are bullshit anyway. As if lead in the water is a problem.

>>106847046
If you US want to stay a hegemon it will sacrifice people when new citizens can be born in the future

>>106844044
>almost all the rare earths are controlled by BRICS countries
HAHAHAHA
America lost

>>106847004
the company that has the rights to the mountain pass mine has a market cap of 12B. they just bailed out argentina for 20B and that's a far riskier investment.
they could literally nationalise the mine, expand it and keep it running for a decade for peanuts. it wouldn't even be very expensive to exceed env safety regs. it's shocking they've allowed things to continue like this.

>>106847151
In America everything operates as a business, so companies will never to prioritize national security unless forced by government intervention with deals.

I read this exact tweet 20 minutes ago, scary caps and everything
You're not going to make me dislike the Chairman, shill

>>106843702
>The US mines should spin up quickly once the price of the commodity increases
>The tarrifs on the other hand tax those who spend and is popular with atleast half of the country. You also have the added benefit of possible on-shoring.
howard lutnick can suck my nuts. the tariffs were in donalds boomer retardation to be paid by foreign countries to subsidize their own industry but instead they said fuck you and passed it onto the american importer. thus complete hobbyist failure and most are so golem they will shut up and paypig.
this fucks innovaters, suddenly a plastic screw is 200%, suddenly the 3D printer to make it yourself is 200% even worse.
our steel plants shut down in the 60s.
you say these off handed one liners but you cannot reindustrialize when you are bent on terrorizing your men into submission already. industrailization is only a result of men being treated fairly enough. if you can't even create mechanical engineers who aren't foreign spies, troons, and women then you will NEVER get industrialization. every mechanical engineer I met was a lame golem who is ready to die at 35.

>>106840607 (OP)
We could have all of Africas metals if we sent Obama down there. He has more charisma in his pinky finger than Pooh has in his whole body.

>>106840638
>they turned into a work slave
uhh… China literally engineered themselves to be a work slave, they didn’t need to US to do that.

>>106840607 (OP)
GALLIUM IS NOT RARE EARTH! GALLIUM IS NOT RARE EARTH! GALLIUM IS NOT RARE EARTH! GALLIUM IS NOT RARE EARTH!
>gallium for chips
Chips don't use gallium
>AI boom hit a hard ceiling
Lol no, rare earth's aren't that important for AI. AI's gonna be fine, a lot of other stuff won't be

>>106842828
>net benefit
nigger please china is an export market they have weak domestic market, they are the factory of the world for a reason, they cannot sustain it's self without selling shit to others.

15 percent of the us economy depend on imports, that 15 percent was carrying entire world economies + china.
With tariffs and trade war china has had to shill their shit else where threatening other countries weak industries that depended on us trade to survive, with chink entering causing people to protect citizen jobs.

rare earth metals mines closed down cause of how cheap chinks sold them that is all.

>>106840607 (OP)
kys shill
we don't care about your propaganda

cheetobandito is writing essays on his twitter again
https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/115350455734003647

>>106847948
dumb reddit fag

>>106848255
tl;dr:
>HOW DARE THEY NOT SELL US THEIR THINGS FOR CHEAP!

>>106840607 (OP)
The Orange Idiot will have to pay obeisance to the Golden Emperor. Maybe we should send him in a jester outfit and try to make Xi smile.

>>106847999
trade is a two way street you finance brained drooling kiked retard. what the fuck does america have to offer to china outside of 999nm trash ti86 tier chips and gmo soi? some bullshit piece of paper. only because the gravity well of massive pyramid scheme #726481 we call the american capital market has "deep liquidity" ie. the mutts printed so much money it's impossible to wade through it all.
decoupling isn't about the collapse of lines on a graph, it's about the cessation of hemorrhaging real imports for paper backed only by retarded and usually traitorous politicians around the world who all got regime changed into their respective positions.
>muh rare earths
the point of the latest directive is not just the secondary export bans which is a smokescreen, but the ban on export of technological expertise overall and the sale of any equipment pertaining to the entire supply chain. like someone else said you don't show up to the mountain with a minecraft pickaxe and start going at it. going further with the analogy, mining coal is like vanilla beta mc and refining rare earths is like 100%ing a 1.7 gregtech modpack.

>>106848402
The reason China became a manufacturing powerhouse is because they adopted policies to intentionally undercut the rest of the world.

They are literally work slaves on purpose, by design.

>>106848615
real exports*.

>>106840607 (OP)
Jeff Bezos will just mine and manufacture in space to get around this. America is safe from Chinese monopolies.

>>106848622
is that what your jewstory books told ya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sassoon_family

they should have called it uncommon dirt and Mango Majesty wouldn't have cared

>>106848653
China will be on the mooon before him

Lmao, Trumptards are massive low IQ monkeys, they don't understand simply logic, not even speaking of education.
They lack the capabilities to acquire such.

It's really entertaining to witness your downfall.

>>106848838
say that to my face

>>106848838
they're not serious. they're bad faith acting spiritual vermin (judeochristian and/or brown). they're not trying to debate or learn they just want to 'meme magic" aka judeochristian pilpul where they lie and say stuff contrary to reality hoping they change it. it's almost over though these retard vermin only have 2 years left before reality crushes them.

>>106844910
the Argentina leader is an honorary jew or something, so it's our epstein-given duty to help them survive even at our own expense

>>106844968
>Tariffs are probably the greatest move America has done in its history
it may have worked a decade or two ago, but at this point we'll cave in before they do if we stopped 100% of trade

>>106848838
Trump just ended decade long war in the Middle East which Biden couldn't do

>>106840746
Prices aren't just going to go up
They're going to go UUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPP

>>106848744
??
Moon Festival was just a few days ago. Chang'e is still living on the moon.

>>106848889
he didn't do shit you little vermin. the jews are going to break the agreement cause they're jews. this is just trump+jews trying to make news cycles to gaslight gen-a + zoomers who fucking hate kikes. it's not going to work though cause nobody believes that orange retard, jews, or their subhuman slaves.

>>106848903
Love moon cakes, but only those without the egg yolk inside.

>>106848615
>le money is fake
>also china want the fake money
your retarded it because American consume faggot. No one else consumes as much or has enough money too consume that much which why imports are a small part of US economy.
Chinks have more people and increased middle class yet they don't consume their own shit.

YOU are a dead country if you are not consumption based economy, and are export focus. Look at japan korea that what chinks are, exporting everywhere cause their own home grown market is trash.

>>106848917
>t. retard subhuman who was talking about how america could starve china to death if we stop selling them sybeans 2 years and how china is dependent on america

>>106848905
eerrrrm yes he did

>Palestinians begin returning to Gaza's north as Netanyahu thanks Trump for securing ceasefire

>>106848928
it not soi beans retards it everything faggot you can't be a world factory with a weak internal economy that won't consume your own products, and thus depend on exports and guess what retard biggest export market is the USA.

>>106848956
retard mongoloid you don't understand chinese consumption. you're 100% the retard subhuman who was talking about how america could starve china to death 2 years ago and how they need our sybeans and are dependent.

china isn't dependent on america you mutt retard.
>>106848937
all gen-a and zoomers with souls hate your jew masters and they hate you jeet/miga subhuman slaves too. some shitty ceasefire which isn't as good as the toilet paper it's written on isn't going to change it.

>>106840607 (OP)
There's plenty of rare earths in North America, and even more in Antarctica. The Antarctic resource rush of the next few decades will be specifically positioned to lock China out. The reds are just screwing themselves hard.

>>106849031
>the next few decades
America has five, maybe ten years in it. You're just not part of the future.

>>106848991
no one talking about soi beans nigger you clearly don't understand chink consumption of their own goods and how low it is.

>>106848991
China needs American tech they are not ahead of them in that industry, and if they don't overtake them or at least on par with the American China will never be a hegemon until it starts competing

>>106849288
"competing" for the US:
>bombs u
>puts rainbow flags in your embassy
competing for China:
>builds ports and roads
>gives u cheap shit

>>106848255
>for every element you withhold, we have 2

Name them? China is limiting export on 12 elements. Name 24elements the US can impose on China.

>>106840687
Supply chain dont come online instanteously. They take 10-20 years to re-establish from bottom up. If US and its allies wants to delay China by 10-20 years, China will delay the US/allies economy by 10-20 years.

Tit for tat.

>>106849352
China builds in shithole countries that nobody uses for economic activity. Come back to when they start building roads in Britain or France

>>106847977
Good to know. So what is rare earth for, batteries?
>>106848509
That's not what he said though.
>>106849654
Yeah just making it up I guess

>>106849854
>That's not what he said though.
Oh really? What did he say, then?

>>106849854
LED screens, TVs and monitors, Hard drives, Electric vehicle motors, Wind turbines, Batteries, Automotive catalytic converters, Camers, Lasers

>>106848943
What about private companies though? Still lose I assume however.

>>106849865
That this move is ridiculous, has never been done before, holding the world hostage, many (unamed) countries are complaining, and that the USA can somehow outcompete China at this game by doing the same thing to them (with what though?)

>>106849906
>this move is ridiculous
An opinion.
>has never been done before
Irrelevant.
>holding the world hostage
China is not obligated to sell their own resources to other countries.
>many (unamed) countries are complaining
Irrelevant.
>with what though?
Setting up their own infrastructure. Will take a while, but they have the resources.

>>106840607 (OP)
off shore everything then cry when you get fucked over

>Yank trade war going to make my electronics expensive now
Cool. Fuck America and China. Selfish cunts.

>>106849872
Unmanned has been achieved and cheaply.
However the manned project was awarded to Elon Musk and he is diverting time and money towards the Mars mission that is his own personal pipe dream

>>106849969
>An opinion.
Correct
>Irrelevant
How?
>China is not obligated to sell their own resources to other countries
True.
>Irrelevant
It's relevant to his response.
>Setting up their own infrastructure. Will take a while, but they have the resources
That's not what he said. Why not just read it instead of responding to what I think he said?

>>106850000
But only China has landed probes on the dark side iirc, which is harder.

>>106849684
^This.

I don't get why people are so keen to punish ourselves just to "get back at China" or whatever the fuck it is they believe.

I hate Xi, I hate the PRC, I hate the CCP. However, this will not hurt any of the above, just your average poor Chinaman and ourselves.

Literally no one ever "wins" a trade war. At best one side loses "more", but even that is debatable.

>>106840607 (OP)
>You can prove the origin of a finished product
>Can they prove the origin of the raw materials used to produce them? How?

>>106840607 (OP)
>when you officially become the Master of the World

>>106850988
Through documentation, scientific testing, and (to a lesser extent) digital tracking

>>106851053

And if >>106851053 doesn't work, China will you prove it, you can't?, we'll block 50% of exports to you.

>>106848661
You should learn to stop being so schizophrenic.

>>106850988


And if >>106851053 doesn't work, China will demand proof you are not using. Can’t provide it? They’ll block 50% of their exports of rare metals or offer you a this license over here which allows a veto on your car shipments to Europe.

>>106851053
>Documentation
>Demand
Lol
Tl;dr:
>Sanctions don't work for the West, but they'll surely work for China, somehow...
Fact:
>Just like with sanctions on China, Russia, etc., it'll just backfire by promoting alternative supply markets.
/Thread

>>106851169
China would be the doing the testing and documentation since they are the one sanctioning

>>106851169
China would adopt American military complex model by restricting other countries through licensing controls and not sanctions.

>>106851169
they've already proven it out with the grain ban on the US

>>106851295
>Exactly what the US unsuccessfully attempted with China would 100% work, for China (because it'd somehow be different this time)...

>>106840607 (OP)
That's what you get for starting a trade war.

>>106844133
the religious texts are fiction are Israel will be wiped from the earth the moment the usa realizes that they no longer need a foothold in that backwater part of the planet

>>106841226
>burgers getting rekt by the exact same thing they bought nigger slaves to build a century ago

>>106851359
Europeans are cucked by American licensing controls

>>106847999
You're 10 years behind.

>>106848889
Several presidents were able to make the same claim briefly in the past, until the parties who don't give a fuck about our opinion of them depleted the money we gave them, then they immediately went back to fighting.

>>106851404
It's Russia and China who're being sanctioned; the fact europe is pushed into enforcing them, against its own best interest just compounds evidence on how counterproductive they ultimately are.

>>106840607 (OP)
How do you weaponize minerals that occur in your country? Does the US think the own rocks outside their borders?

>>106849654
Wire, 23 to go

chinese economy was already shaping up for 0% growth this year
guess they really wanted to see what a recession looks like

>>106852336
>0%
5%*

kek trump finna kick out every single chinese university student after this

>>106850042
That's a big dog.

>>106852368
there were looking at 3% before the export controls and tariff announcements. cooking the books on real estate really hit their economy hard this year
speaking of cooking the books tho, most economists agree official chinese figures are usually inflated by at least 3% to make themselves look good
so buckle up, it's recession time

>>106852396
No, it's been a consistent 5% for the past 2 years.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/world-bank-lifts-china-2025-gdp-forecast-48-ahead-slowdown-next-year-2025-10-07/

>>106852414
Forgot to add the source for the graph I used:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=CN

>>106845930
>sinocism.notion.site

>>106849760
I beg you to educate yourself. China is contracted to build rail systems world wide. Meanwhile the US can't even build rail in its own country.

>>106840607 (OP)
>CHINA JUST WEAPONIZED THE ENTIRE RARE EARTH SUPPLY CHAIN
I'm pretty sure they announced export of rare earths months or years ago.

also, that image looks like some AI-generated text.

>>106847977
>Chips don't use gallium
>t.never heard of GaAs

>>106840607 (OP)
NOOOOO
I NEED MUH TERBIUMMMM

>>106853019
Basically all technology needs a collection of rare earths, so, yeah, you do.

>>106852414
>>106852419
You're talking to a glownigger. But thanks for the data, Anon.

>>106848622
That's how capitalism works. Blame the US companies for outsourcing and destroying the local manufacturing base.

>>106852419
Where does the world bank get their numbers?

>>106854479
>Capitalism is to blame for the planned economy of a communist state
See a doctor. You have a disability.

>>106840607 (OP)
Lul, Chinese are money slave. They love money so much their people themselves will sell us chink shit!

>>106854841
Rajeesh, pls. Go talk to your witches living in your toilet.

>>106851453
It's like your water pipe runs through your neighbor's property and they control the tap. They tell you, You can only have 5 liters of water a day. If you want more, you’ll have to give me a cut.

>>106840687
I heard additional things needed to be done and set up to do things in between digging up rare earths and actually using them.
You're not gonna magically just jump from the ground to chips, weapons and medical stuff lmao.

>>106840607 (OP)
USA is just asspained that somebody else is strongarming at the global table. Just like a impotent todder who got their way for decades. Karma is a killer eh?
>>106840638
Holy projection batman. What did you think their USA and UK were doing in their halcyon days?
>>106840687
It takes time and it far little too late. NIMBY-types are going to fight tooth and nail against any sort of heavy re-industrialization.
The whole reason USA got rid of the heavy industry is frankly is very dirty and destructive. They export it overseas for cheaper labor and keep externalites "out of sight, out of mind" .

>>106855080
a whole lot of highly toxic chemical processing.
which western society is clearly great at handling.

>>106840860
Indeed, USA is just an old decrepit man at the table mirroring the majority of its electorate. Pretending that their best days are not behind them. USA is going down USSR style in the next decade or so. Balkanization is inevitable when federal government fails and states/regions get tried of constant neglect and growing demands.

>>106855102
Love Canal 2.0 again baby!

>>106854651
There would be no point in outsourcing if the costs aren't lower than local manufacturing. You're retarded.

>>106848622
It's by design but not because of manufacturing, its to maintain control of the population. When people are poor, they have fewer resources and feedoms for resistance.

>>106844968
None of them are selling anything at a loss, it's all american companies taking a massive hit to their profits because they have no alternatives except declaring bankruptcy.

>>106848937
"Ceasefire" does not mean an end to a war, fucktard.

>>106849760
Hmmm, I wonder which I would rather have economic domination over:
>A country that only makes stinky cheese and woke video games
or
>A country with 100000000000 tons of cobalt and lithium
Tough choice.

>>106848889
>decade long war in the Middle East which Biden couldn't do
>2023 was 10 years ago

>>106855744
But this is the meme Trump fell for with Ukraine - they may have rare earths and critical minerals, but the problem is they can’t actually access them. That’s why Ukraine was happy to give it all away - they know it costs a fortune to extract, and there’s no guarantee you’ll get anything out of the ground when the data is based on old Soviet era surveys

>>106849760
Is ZOG sending the most retarded jeet shills they can find to bash China? China is developing Africa so that they can get the billions of tonnes of metals and oil out of it. And everybody used Africa for economic activity since it was discovered.

>>106853074
>technology
usecase?

>>106840705
>>106855080
>mao they own all the ports and africa
>ports
RUSSIAN SHILL ITT. SPREADING DISINFO KILL YOURSELF!

>>106844333
you are russian aren't you

>>106854651
the problem is we aren't socialist ENOUGH. The history of the US has always been socialist to a degree and it made us great. That doesn't mean we are communists you fucking dumb nigger retard

>>106848889
HAHAHAHAHA OH MAN
>>106848905
Everyone hates jews now because of what they are doing in Gaza. They have no real choice at this point but to continue. Seriously, the images and video out of gaza is absolutely insane. The only people left that don't hate the jews are those who still believe in christianity and that zionist isn't all of israel/jews.

>>106840607 (OP)
no, no I don't mind it, I just didn't expect the global economy to be Chinese

>>106856532
Socialism just means you will be even more poor than you are now.

>>106856698
no.

>>106856698
hahaha retard

>>106844044
Most people don't know what mineral reserves mean. It is not a measurement of how much material there is in the ground of any country. Nobody actually knows that. Reserves means mineral resources that are economically feasible to extract. Reserves can increase due to an increase of the mineral resources or price of the commodity, and it can decrease due to depletion of known resources or a fall in the commodity price. Any graph showing reserves is specific to whatever market conditions it was made in.
What you are trying to communicate with this graph would be better demonstrated by resources rather than reserves, but even then that's not an unbiased quantity because it is influenced by how much priority a country has put into developing their resources through core drilling.

>>106856709
>>106856849
>can't dispute it

kek

>>106856903
dispute what buddy? you just saying things, it's just not true man kek

>>106856934
Go and live in Cuba little lad

>>106843524
His own delusions

>>106855102
>pic
LMAO

>>106855259
He's ridiculing you for calling Burgerland (and indeed the entire (((pozzed west))) of today) Capitalist. It's all a big kike-run shithole, managed as a marxist set of enclaves benefitting a few oligarchs. Typical commie shit.

US will have to try to suck off Brazil hard to get these exports.
Considering how Brazil's quickly growing commodity and production sector is in many ways funded by the Chinks and even some European entities, US will have to give them really damn good deals to even have a hope of getting their foot in the door.

Anyone thinking that the US is going to be producing themselves, that's not going to happen.
You not only need to spin up the aging mines, you also need the permits for that and this is a multi year process.
They also need to build the processing capability, so that's another 5-10 years that's going to be spent for permitting, funding and construction.
Then the most crucial thing which is the energy infrastructure, something US doesn't have at the moment. Their grids are going to be fucked under data center energy demand alone.
And last part, they also need the infrastructure for the workers.
You're looking at burgers basically being forced to build entire self contained mining towns out of the blue and everything taken into consideration, this simply won't play out.
South America is their only option and the only one with massive reserves or rare earth is Brazil.
Not that any of this was a surprise, this was seen coming miles away by anyone with even the slightest amount of brain activity.
Unfortunately the top boomers in power still live in the 80's, where the US is the only real world power and can just make demands and people will cave in instantly, something that hasn't been the case for years.
Hues are going to make an absolute bank out of this mess.

>>106840607 (OP)
death to america.

Xi just assraped Trump.

>>106857422
Not just a slogan, but a policy.

>>106857422
dangerously based

>>106857370
>the top boomers in power still live in the 80's, where the US is the only real world power and can just make demands and people will cave in instantly
nah, they are manipulating the stock and crypto markets

>>106857422
>t. Donald J. Trump

>entire thread of 2 wumaos spunking in each other's mouths.
Why is there no moderation on this here web zone? Does Hiro get paid to let them work here?

>>106854479
US companies outsourced because US gov implemented regulatory limits on how companies can operate and taxed them too hard such that it was cheaper for them to build factories 10000 km away and ship them here.

The answer is simple. Reduce US tax on companies. Reduce us regulations on companies. These 2 will bring back US companies back. Further, if you want to do this faster, apply high import tax and to allieviate the companies so they dont create shock to the companies/destroy them, implement 1:1 tariff credit. Where every dollar invested into US factory relieves tariffs duty. Maybe make it 2:1 for first year, 1:1 for 2nd year, 50 cents:1 dollar 3rd year, etc. Such that there's leniency for initial year and diminishing reliefs the year on after.

Then scrap all other loop holes like NAFTA tariff reliefs from Canada/Mexico where companies make factories in those countries cause its still cheaper tax and looser regulatory reform.

If the tax/regulatory reforms arent low enough, even if companies setup base in US, it either becomes extremely expensive or they bankrupt.

>>106860011
>regulation bad

>>106860011
>>106860026
I was going to say reducing regulations will just turn it into India. It honestly doesn't fucking matter since India is polluting the entire planet as it is, just fucking ban any imports from India and kill their industry off until they stop being 60 IQ street shitters about everything.

>>106860056
There's a reasonable limit. US has technologies that alleviate lot of the older concerns about pollution. Hell, we can even make it easier for companies by simply having companies dispose/process their waste through 3rd party companies that deal with those issues. Such that it doesnt become a make/break deal for companies. AI companies in the US for examples are facing local political opposition that want their share of the pie from the company. A protection fee. Where they would slander the companies that are building data centers.

Political grifting fee occurs when there are too much regulation roadblocks for companies to setup and grifters insert themselves into every process to stop/slowdown and increase the cost for companies that want to setup a factory.

>>106860123
If we have to compete with other countries that don't have the same level of regulations we do, then our companies will move manufacturing over there unless there's sufficient incentive to keep it here (like tariffs). Free market is a retarded proposition in a global market with places like India and China.

>>106860134
Free market works because we have technology that counter act their numbers. We have an educated workforce that counter acts their numbers.

What doesnt work is when you grift too hard that companies in the US fail regardless of whether there is competition over seas or not because of internal regulatory and political problems preventing the success of the company.

>>106860151
>because we have technology that counter act their numbers
No matter what you say, a company that dumps all the waste into the river will have less operating costs than one that is forced to handle waste responsibly.

>>106860134
why are you so eager to reduce your quality of life to that of the third world

>>106860170
Strawman doesnt work. This isn't the 1900s anymore.

>>106860172
>eager to reduce your quality of life
I'm not, I gave a fucking example of how to encourage manufacturing in the USA without doing that when I mentioned tariffs. Oh, but tariffs are a trump thing, and orange man bad.

As an australian I firmly support nuking these slanty eyed alien fucks.

>>106860172
India doesnt have technology that the US has. Nor the capital. There are rolling blackouts throughout the country. Their regulatory framework stops investments from outside world and hence will stay a 3rd world country for another 50+ years.

>>106860192
https://www.supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/25-250.html

Can't wait for the Trumper tears in November when this decision comes down. Only the auto and metal tariffs with remain.

I originally hoped the orange man would win but that was before I realized he was actually serious about all of these tariffs,

Trump proved he is a moron with this trade war nonsense.

>>106860172
None of those regulations relate to improving the quality of life for the average person.

>>106860240
>Trump proved he is a moron with this trade war nonsense.
It would have worked if the rest of the entire fucking planet wasn't sick of us being Israel's vassal. Things may have been a lot different if Europe immediately dropped off all their pre-Trump tariffs and we didn't need to compete against them along with China.

>>106860274
>Would've in an alternate reality

>>106860246
then cite specific regulations or kill yourself

I can't wait to check /biz/ on monday

>>106860296
You should be the one citing evidence since you're the one making the claim.

>>106860240
Doesn't matter. He can still tarrif China specifically, just not the whole world

>>106860011
>Liveleak happens in USA
>Companies instantly get boycott to bankrupcy
Yeah no

>>106860011
Even if US pull back all the companies, there's no way to say that China cant out compete US and make US globally irrelevant.

>>106852391
for you

>>106860712
That's literally what the lawsuit is about, moron. There's no law that allows him to do this except for auto and metal.

>>106840607 (OP)
>any product containing >0.1% chinese rare earth materials needs beijing's approval before re-export to third countries.

Or else what?

>>106840866
>that elementary level understanding of economics
>being this brainwashed
I bet you think the economy wasn't too bad under Biden, the shut down is the GOP's fault, and staying coupled to China is good.

>>106847948
And they one of the top countries we owe money to. Like Japan and the UK are the only ones who hold more US debt than China. If they didn't like it they could tell the US to eat shit.

Please explain why it's fair for the US to ban AI chip exports, but it's unfair for China to ban rare rock exports?

>>106861077
Or else the company buying the materials from China are going to get blacklisted? Are you fucking retarded or something?

>>106840607 (OP)
>needs beijing's approval
So just get their approval.
The Chinese are reasonable people, Xi is the leader of the free world, so this shouldn't be too hard unless you're an American who started a trade war.

>>106860026
>overregulate
>become poor and enslaved by China and India
>underregulate
>become wealthy but polluted, can compete with China and India
I wonder which of these options is better.

>>106840607 (OP)
Deeply concerned
Thoughts and prayers with the families of those who are affected
Closely monitoring the situation
Thank you for your attention to this matter

>>106860274
This is such a retarded take.
America was already crushing Europe economically.
Americans already make 3 times more than the average European and live in houses 5 times bigger while owning 6 times more cars.

What else do you guys want from us?
The American century has been extremely bad for Europe and I cannot wait for China to become the new hegemon.

>>106863072
china and india's economic power is rooted in the sheer fuckton of people they have
good luck trying to compete by playing on their level

>>106863119
No, it's rooted in the fact they don't give a fuck about things like environmentalism and so when the west 'voluntarily' deindustrialized there was no where else for the industry to go. India and China have been overpopulated since the beginning of time, it was always a detriment that resulted in squalor and poverty until recently when the west surrendered all of its technology just so some tree huggers could sleep soundly at night.

>>106863140
please fuck off with this midwit take
the west deindustrialised long before the environmental lobby had any power.
they deindustrialised because they wanted the cushy service jobs so they could create a generation of brainwashed little faggots like you.

There's a narrative that China has the upper hand in its confrontation with the US. Nonsense. US tariffs are crushing China's export sector, which must divert goods to all kinds of places, suffering a huge hit to margins in the process. Hence China's hardball on rare earths

>>106864369
I like that people keep saying this because Xi doesn't care. It's just the people, including us, that will suffer.

No one wins this stupidity Trump cultist.

Duuurrr I voted for this!

>>106863104
>The American century has been extremely bad for Europe and I cannot wait for China to become the new hegemon.
You think it's bad now, you'll be begging Israel/USA to become the world power again. The USA sent niggers and identity politics into your country, but China is going to teach you the true meaning of slavery.

>>106864369
>US tariffs are crushing China's export sector, which must divert goods to all kinds of places, suffering a huge hit to margins in the process
Is your image supposed to be supporting your claim that the tariffs are hurting China? The surplus from other countries rose far more than the hit it took on the US surplus.

>>106841114
It's even worse than this. If you're curious, there's a map that shows which african countries received funding (bribes) from china, and it's pretty much every single one.