Thread 106842509

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEM-EQ-Guide/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U) - $22
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106831740

NEW PAPER JUST DROPPED. #RealScience
https://peqdb.com/wiki/PEQdB-Comparitive-Evaluation-of-Headphone-Target-Curves.pdf

>>106842509 (OP)
Cables are the best audiophile upgrade because they don't do anything. Tube pos, R2R pos and dreaded BA pos on the other hand...

>>106842533
r2r is a meme for pos and in general

I did it.

>>106842500
They do not have a consistent fit for me so EQing them is rather problematic

>>106842509 (OP)
>• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140
Who buys that in 2025 LOL

>>106842556
People who want noise isolation.

>>106842562
nope, they'll buy a tws with good ANC

>>106842570
Useless for high frequency sounds.

>>106842570
anc bad above 1khz
ety bad for bass isolation
therefore, we need ety + anc headphones

>>106842521
*casually btfo'd by the level 2 of the guide*
Nothing personal.

which pos is better: Truthear Pure or Aful Explorer?

>>106842629
the one you like more

>>106842629
1DD + EQ

Got Aria 2, they're nice even if metal makes them quite heavy. Cable feels great. From here on the price gaps start growing larger and larger I don't really see a point in buying anything more expensive, no way it can be worth the price.

Tiprolled EDC pro a bit more both large coffee tips and balanced sancais were more or less acceptable. I'd say stability is still kidna meh.
Lowered 150 Hz, lowered 5k+ treble, compensated for fit and length mode... Yeah they sound fine...

>fox target bass
>hearing aids treble
PEQdB cracked the code

>>106842521
without control for length modes this shit is worthless and not real science

>>106842865
imagine shitting out a target that is brighter than a fucking harman 2019 ie
what a disaster

>>106842901
>length mode
xhe's trying so hard to be the pos guru

>>106842901
so all the papers are worthless, gotcha

the absolute jeetery

>>106842940
I'm not the one who's writing presumptuous papers here

>>106842533
I believe it

>>106842533
Not true, balanced cables made a difference because my dongle outputs 3x more power on the balanced port to my planars. You need cables for techs. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>106842942
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis
The science mentally checked out over a decade ago. It's just an adderall-fueled tweakfest at this point.

>>106842587
eq guide aryans: 1641
peqdb jeets: 0

>eq to flat
>I fixed the transients!
eq is cope, (real) fellas.

should price is inverse to quality be its own law? or just let it remain a subset of poorfag law

>>106842865
>>106842913
This is why you EQ by ear. I know the e-waste is ear rape. I know chinks have neotenous ear cunny and like their pos tuned a certain way. I know I want nigger bass. (My presets look something like st7-nig.dsp st7-nigger.dsp st7-niggest.dsp) I can guess the treble peaks first try half the time. I find Vslop and treble sparkle boring. I don't need consensus, I'm a white man and I'll do it myself no matter how many brownoids gaslight me into doing the needful. EQ guidezo may be a tranny, but he's a white man. I'd entrust my (eardrums') life to him. Godspeed, shitheads.

>>106843305
>EQ guidezo may be a tranny, but he's a white man
wait, isn't guidezo shartur?

why is the edc pro so enjoyable guys?

>>106843390
>normal flat 2 pin
>decent tuning
>1dd
>cheap af
>decent comfort
what's not to like?

>>106843398
not an actual 2-pin, dumb fragile design
poor timbre
poor technicalities
cheap af build and accessories

EQ? My 2000s era surround receiver does have a music enhancer mode. Sounds good to me

>>106843398
no techs tho

>>106843415
swap the bad stock cable for a good tech cable and you're set

>>106842865
>knowles treble + harman bass
wow great findings there

>>106843354
spiritual jeet vs actual jeet

>>106843233
you don't even know what transients ARE

>>106843305
>I know chinks have neotenous ear cunny and like their pos tuned a certain way.
this literally has nothing to do with anything

>>106843408
>poor technicalities
for $5 (or even $0) it has decent technicalities actually

>>106843573
right. you can't even eq

>>106843586
no it doesn't. in absolute terms, it has the technicalities of exactly the price you state, earphones costing about $5. sorry you're limited to such poor quality gear

>>106843622
false
you don't know what technicalities are
>poor quality gear
quality has literally nothing to do with technicalities

>>106843628
starts with audio. then your gear has to faithfully reproduce the audio. poorer quality drivers can't handle it as well. simple as.

more importantly KZ makes you brown

>>106843650
utterly meaningless statement
>poorer quality drivers can't handle it as well
don't exist in IEMs
>simple as
you are retarded
simple as

>>106843659
you're too stupid to really argue with. your problem you CHOOSE to be an ignorant twat.

I accept your concession

Do I need to post the physiognomy list again?

>>106843666
you can't talk about ignorance when you can't provide any empiric evidence for technicalities or driver quality (which are not distortion or FR).
fucking ironic coming from a retard who can't even argue properly without chatGPT
know your fucking place, subhuman brainlet
>I accept your concession
that's not how it works, idiot

>>106843684
you really think I'm reading all that? you lost a long time ago.

>not how that works
listen to the woman who's convinced she's a dude.

>>106843694
I accept your concession

>>106843713
not how that works. I accept your concession.

Simzo W

EQ guide so good and right that anons resorted to saying that no one has ever read it, that's how you know it's GOATED

>>106843737
nobody will ever know if it is good or right because nobody has ever read it

>>106843713
you have nothing. AES and sean olive worship got you nowhere, troon. you can't even get gender right, what makes you think your brain is functioning here?

>>106843722
no it literally how it works lmao
you LITERALLY conceded. stupid fuck.

pack it up guys eqzos took the L as usual

>>106843745
Yeah chatGPT is sooo much better than studies and scientific research. You surely showed me there dumbass.
>troon. you can't even get gender right, what makes you think your brain is functioning here?
most obvious projection I've ever seen

>check time in shitland
>8am
looks like the brownoid subhumans are waking up with yet another round of EQ hatred

>>106843761
you're falseflagging as my falseflag...

>>106843761
brownoid? u mean like the peqdb guy?

>>106843748
you're entirely full of shit. get a grip. your mind cannot be trusted

>>106843809
Mine? What about yours? You are literally projecting because you don't trust your own mind so much you NEED to run to chatGPT

>>106843765
auto-EQ != EQ

>>106843875
oh so youre saying your SEA not indian, i get it

Hey guys, I want something that I can use for gaming that lets me hear footsteps in cs. I bought the epz q1 pros but they are uncomfortable and dont sound that good. If i get used to them id be happy spending like 400 for a good pair but im not sure it would be better than a good pair of over-ears. Any recs? it looks like most pros use kiwi ears

>>106843897
kiwi ears orchestra lite

>>106843691 #
Prove it. It should be as simple as simply pulling up a $20 iem with the same sound and build quality as a $500 iem. I'll wait.

>>106843710 #
>why are you so confident in saying this? what if someone does prefer the cheaper one?
I'm not talking about preference. Of course there'd be some $20 iems I would prefer over certain $500 ones, due to tuning. But I'm saying show me a $20 iem that sounds the same as either the Softears Volume S, Mega 5-EST or Xenns Tea Pro. If there isn't one, why is that? Why hasnt KZ released a Tea Pro copy for $20? It'd sell boatloads.

>>106843843
you don't even trust your own biology. stop, just fuckin stop larping as a normal person. fuck your shit is whack.

>>106842629
Any cheap KZ with EQ will sound the same as the $1299 Aful Dawn X.

>>106843915
demonstrably false and ass-backwards thinking.

>>106843170
There are no balanced cables. Only balanced connectors.

I'm going to email sean olive directly and describe this troon to him and get his opinion

>>106842359
>i can't hear until i read
chartniggas and audiophools badly need to fuck already

>>106843909
>But I'm saying show me a $20 iem that sounds the same as either the Softears Volume S, Mega 5-EST or Xenns Tea Pro. If there isn't one, why is that? Why hasnt KZ released a Tea Pro copy for $20? It'd sell boatloads.
are you talking about "actual" sound quality (ie blind tested pos) or "perceptual" sound quality that involves tons of biases from price, fit, build, accessories, view of hobby, etc? don't answer, because i know that you (and most people) are always talking about the latter and not taking that into consideration. also, the iems you pointed do have tunings that are simply not available for cheap (mainly the 5est, tea pro)
fwiw, i prefer the bunny over the volume s, and this is not a tuning preference

If I EQ the Truthear Gate and I EQ the Punch Audio Martilo, both to maximize bass impact and quality, which pos will have the better bass? Or will they sound identical?

>>106843936
EQ to what?
same on graph, who knows
same in-situ, identical

>>106843758
>Yeah chatGPT is sooo much better than studies and scientific research.
I bet you took the vaxx (multiple times). The scientific research told you to, didn't it?

>>106843936
Depends on the volume and amount of bass boost you're adding. EQfags are so desperate to conclude everything sounds the same that they refuse to even ascertain the most basic of variables.

>>106843897
Tea Pros (were recently $260 on sale) or the Ziigaat Arete ($200) were both made for gaming.

>>106843897
b-b-but foxbum and his posse of troons said the only redeeming factor of the q1piss is the comfort
oh no no no furfagtrannysisters not like this

>>106843950
name
1
(one)
variable

>>106843936
gate with marilo's bass won't feel the same as actual martilo.

>>106843960
Sorry I'm not whoever you're beefing with actually.

>>106843959
i dont understand this post. i just want a headphone recommendation

>>106843932
>are you talking about "actual" sound quality (ie blind tested pos) or "perceptual" sound quality that involves tons of biases from price, fit, build, accessories, view of hobby, etc?
I'm talking about the exact same sound. If it was as easy as you say, then someone could make a cheap copy of the Tea Pro right now and sell it for $10. They can even advertise it as such and have people blind test them to see if they could tell the difference. But nobody has done this. I wonder why? It sounds like free money to me.

>>106843962
But how could that be?

>>106843950
>Depends on the volume and amount of bass boost you're adding.
No it doesn't. The Truthear will never sound close to the Martilo no matter what.

>>106843985
Totally incorrect, they will sound the exact same if the volume is -20dB, they will both be totally silent. That's why volume is important :)

>>106843972
it should sell like a motherfucker, right? problem is, there wouldn't be tiers of prices for pos if their drivers didn't also have prices/performances correlated too.

>>106843979
gate is made with cheaper everything.

>>106843995
>problem is, there wouldn't be tiers of prices for pos if their drivers didn't also have prices/performances correlated too.
But I thought drivers didn't matter? You keep saying FR/EQ is all that matters. So just put the cheapest single DD in there and be done. You can prove your theory to be true by simply doing this.

>>106843985
this.

>>106844006
>You keep saying FR/EQ is all that matters.
LITERALLY I'M ARGUING AGAINST THAT ALL THE TIME. sorry, you got me mixed up with another anon.

>>106844002
>gate is made with cheaper everything.
But price and drivers don't matter. All IEMs costs $5 to make. You just said this.

>>106843972
>then someone could make a cheap copy of the Tea Pro right now and sell it for $10
you severely underestimate how much price influences one's opinion of something
>They can even advertise it as such and have people blind test them to see if they could tell the difference. But nobody has done this.
then it's not a blind test
>But nobody has done this. I wonder why? It sounds like free money to me.
because blind testing is very hard, and blind testing only makes sense if you understand why blind testing is useful in the first place and how it works, which most people here do not
fortunately we know very well the acoustical output of any iem since they are very simple devices, it's just that people are still getting stuck on why the measurements don't correlate with their perception

>>106844006
You're expecting basement dwelling pseuds here to go through the process of designing and manufacturing a pos, a DSP pos no less? That's a hard ask, they can't do much besides seethe on the internet.

>>106843909
>If there isn't one, why is that
All of these have specific tunings that would be hard to achieve with 1DD in an analog way. If they'll use DSP nothing really is stopping them from making it. They probably think margins on more expensive mid tier pos are better tho and that's the main reason.
>Why hasnt KZ released a Tea Pro copy for $20? It'd sell boatloads.
I actually was wondering the same thing. KZ has a lot of cheap multi driver pos... yet they all tuned like shit. I think it's less of a problem of inherent quality and more problem of KZ being a hack company with no real tuning skills or understanding of audio research.
Crin btw talked about this topic when he was explaining daybreaks and its pricing. He said that $170 is maximum he could cut for it to make sense. He mentioned drivers and filled resin shell as main reasons for high price (I think? I watched it a while ago). Like he said he'd like est drivers but price would go up by too much.

>>106844013
I did not.

>>106844012
>LITERALLY I'M ARGUING AGAINST THAT ALL THE TIME.
Sorry my bad.

>>106843894
>you hate waffles
nigga that's a whole nother sentence

>>106844014
>then it's not a blind test
Why would it not be a blind test? It would literally be setup with blind folds on test subjects. "Here is pos A", "now here is pos B", "could you hear any difference?"

>>106843897
>they are uncomfortable
in what way?
> dont sound that good
you said you want something for gaming. What "doesn't sound good" entails? You can't hear steps in CS?
>it would be better than a good pair of over-ears
such as?
Only real advice here is to try different IEMs and understand what's the best for you.

>>106844025
its okay man we don't discriminate against pagzos here

>>106844020
>All of these have specific tunings that would be hard to achieve with 1DD in an analog way. If they'll use DSP nothing really is stopping them from making it.
Since nobody has done it, I will take this as evidence that it can't be done.

>>106843911
You are projecting again. You are literally the only faggot in this thread mentally ill enough to talk about this shit.
And you got triggered just because head related transfer function abbreviates to HRTF. This goes beyond stupid. Your tranny shit is literally offtopic and has nothing to do with audio shit being discussed here.

>>106844032
blind means that they should not be aware of the brand or price, and that the two iems will fit and feel exactly the same
this is, for obvious reasons, extremely hard to accomplish, which is why the virtualization method was created (ie using EQ to create the FR of different iems). a lot of flaws, but the results are so staggeringly good that it was used constantly.

>>106843936
this fully depends on your EQ skills

>>106844036
they are too large for my ears with the smallest rubber bit
they sound extremely tinny. i can hear footsteps but the actual game sounds like dogshit. functionally they work but i dont like them. i have dt 990s right now but a 400$ budget would get me hd660s or whatever that price point for senheiser overears

>>106843947
Why bring this up? If you are talking about mrna vaccines against covid then no I didn't take them.
But literal millions did... and they are fine...

>>106844063
>this fully depends on your EQ skills
What skills? Bass happens in the 20-150Hz frequencies. You boost it. It's not rocket science.

delicious vindication

>>106844084
>still thinks perception of sound is separated in units and is not a whole

>>106843972
you are overestimating chinese pos makers. Ones that have skills to tune their pos already have good products that sell well.

>>106844053
>blind means that they should not be aware of the brand or price, and that the two iems will fit and feel exactly the same
>this is, for obvious reasons, extremely hard to accomplish
Why is that hard to accomplish? You can just buy a Tea Pro from the store and make a mold from its shell and nozzle, and then produce exact copies of them. The chinks are great at this. Then you set up the blind test where you don't reveal anything about the iems or what they cost.

>>106844037
Ok. V90Pro, MT4Pro, FZ-FT1, FZ-ZS1, FZ-Max, ST1 and STM for $44.

>>106844047
>Since nobody has done it, I will take this as evidence that it can't be done.
you literally have bunny vs bunny dsp example.
there aren't many cheap dsp IEMs with different tunings.
There are also things like may/ray.
I feel like DSP pos are also harder to market in general

>>106844093
You don't understand business or marketing. Linsoul spends a ton of money in marketing their products all over the world. You can tap into that for free by copying their products and selling them for 1/10th the price. And yet nobody has done this.

>>106844098
then that is in the realm of studies and is not profitable at all
that would be a fun experiment, but with very little reward both academically and financially

>>106844111
the slop king

>>106844098
>Why is that hard to accomplish
because people can feel the difference via fit difference, weight, materials or even cable and hear different shit immediately.
>Then you set up the blind test where you don't reveal anything about the iems or what they cost.
I mean. I think this should be done for literally every IEM you want to sell lol. But they do not do it. Because people buy their shit just fine.
And chinese manufacturers do not do studies in general so expecting them to actually go further than matching tuning with 711 clone coupler is unreasonable

>>106844121
>that would be a fun experiment, but with very little reward both academically and financiall
No it wouldn't because you'd use that video/study as marketing for your product. After everyone agrees that the two iems sound identical, you reveal that one costs $400 and has 5 branded drivers, and one costs $10 and has only a single DD. Then everyone is amazed at the reveal and you sell millions of copies.

>>106844143
>because people can feel the difference via fit difference, weight, materials or even cable and hear different shit immediately.
But you use the same fit and materials. All iems costs the same to make regardless of materials and materials don't affect tuning. You've already said this.

>>106844147
but then you run into the issue of people not believing the brand, saying the listeners are bad, that the test was not representative, etc
the hobby and prevalent way of thinking will not allow this, it's not worth even considering this scenario because it goes against everything people know of
like we already have blind tests, it just doesn't matter at all to everyone in the hobby

>>106844147
in other words, it's all magic tricks and deception and normgroids gonna normgroid

>>106844171
>but then you run into the issue of people not believing the brand, saying the listeners are bad, that the test was not representative, etc
Perhaps, but then they'd buy it anyway because it's just $10, and then they'll listen to it and realize it was all true.

Yes I don't disagree that there's a lot of psychoacoustics at play in this hobby. For sure it is. But if someone made an exact copy of a popular and expensive iem and they measured the same on graphs and they actually sounded the same, 99% of people would respect it.

>>106844067
>they are too large for my ears with the smallest rubber bit
well you are giga fucked then lol. More expensive POS are usually even bigger.
Try maybe EDC pro for $5 instead (unironically) or maybe bunny dsp
>they sound extremely tinny.
shouldn't be the case you have both fit and seal problems.

>>106844201
well, as other anon said, you probably won't be able to achieve that tuning for such a cheap price
>But if someone made an exact copy of a popular and expensive iem and they measured the same on graphs and they actually sounded the same, 99% of people would respect it.
we've had similar situations with iems that measure very similarly on different rigs and people still say they sound drastically different. i think you have too much optimism in the idea of blind testing and its effectiveness on people

>>106844067
Get the Fiio FH3. Thin nozzles, very comfortable. Thick and full sound. Great for FPS games (and sounds good in CS2). It's like having wall hack.

>>106844222
>well, as other anon said, you probably won't be able to achieve that tuning for such a cheap price
So what you're saying is, driver quality, materials etc actually matters. :)

>>106844119
linsoul will send assassins after you lol
>You can tap into that for free by copying their products and selling them for 1/10th the price.
but WHO should do that? Kz? They actually kinda do that with some pos (more like a luck) but in general they don't need it

>>106844241
they matter for price and for businesses, yes
for the customer, materials are important in terms of fit, comfort, etc. too, especially if they are prone to psychoacoustic biases.
from an engineering perspective, the only important factors in terms of acoustical output is FR, efficiency, and distortion

>>106844084
you said "maximize bass impact and quality"
just boosting it randomly will not help you achieve that

>>106844152
crin kinda already did it with daybreak by copying EPZ's homework. made it cheaper too

Don't forget the original intention of
using earphones is to enjoy music
勿忘 使用耳机的初衷是享受音乐

take a half gram dab hit for better techs

>"you probably won't be able to achieve that tuning for such a cheap price."
literal dogma. we stopped paying for tuning once Chu was released.

>>106844152
you can ask why is it not done to ANY model at all. There are more expensive 1DDs with pretty standard 1DD tunings. Nobody is copying them either.
There are things like cadenza and kbear kb01.
Market is very saturated and there's no guarantee simple cheap copy will sell. Shit's not that easy. Unless you want to scam customers and then you can get fucked real fast.

listen to music while railing your boyfriend for better techs

>>106844340
me (bnuuy) and foxzo (fox pos)

>>106844324
i stopped paying for tuning after i opened the dsp page in foobar2000 settings my nigga

I'll gladly pay for a scientifically achieved tuning (not harman ie 2019 via 711 couplet)

mfw i plug pos into amplifier and move the bass sliders

>>106844349
who bottoms (we already know)

>>106844428
we bottom, pos top us if you really think about it

>>106844410
I don't even need that. I just put pos in my ears and bass rises automatically because of the deepest fit one can imagine

which sounds better, a clogged chu2 or a greasy hd 600

>>106844730
at least you can remove the filters entirely from the chu and eq the peaks. can't eq sub bass into the sennys

>>106844012
>LITERALLY I'M ARGUING AGAINST THAT ALL THE TIME.
>literally has zero arguments
Headfi's strongest soldier.

>>106843972
>I'm talking about the exact same sound.
You have extremely low standards if you think any physically existing pos sounds acceptable.

>>106843950
>they refuse to even ascertain the most basic of variables
Name 1.
>>106843985
>>106843962
Skill issue.

>>106844751
>can't eq sub bass into the sennys
You personally can't, I of course can.

>>106844919
If you're fine with 50% THD sure.

>>106844933
Lower your volume, deaf idiot.

>>106844937
Subbass isn't even audible below 70dB.
>yeah I EQ shit that I don't hear, how did you know

>>106844946
You are deaf.

>>106844947
I accept your concession.

>>106844961
You personally can't, I of course can.

>>106844947
he's not wrong about sub-bass you know

>>106844946
>yeah I EQ shit that I don't hear, how did you know
Autoeq users left the chat.

Anyone has a pair of kefice delci? Seem good for the price range, but hows build quality? I dont want them crapping out after two months

I have an HD598CS headphone, is the HD620S a worthy upgrade?
Not an audiophile, but I’ve had the 598 for a while and I’m curious about this option.

>>106845283
metal, filters can clog, like any pos
get filters and it's fine

>>106845302
I have a DacMagic200M btw, it should be decent enough for the 620S.
Thanks in advance.

>>106845302
only headpos worth buying right now is ft1

>>106845021
I'm never wrong, you're just not ready to hear what I'm saying.

>>106844730
greasy hd600 beats any fotm fomo chinkslop shilled here

All velour pad headphones are unsalvageable garbage. There's no bass tactility whatsoever. The number 1 step of EQ is to ensure a good seal and these have shit seal by design. On top of that sennheiser pads also lose 10dB of treble after a couple of months of wear so only mids remain. And since mids don't exist you're basically listening to nothing, incredibly low res presentation.

>>106845645
not when it comes to bass lmao

What frequencies do I have to boost / decrease to make my pos sound more "open" and "crystalline"?

>>106846002
EQ a giant 12khz peak and youll have pure crystalline soundstage

Bought a pair of MOONDROP CHU II yesterday
What am I in for?

>>106846002
>"crystalline"
what the fuck does it even mean
>"open"
add 9k+ shelf
at least name your pos...

>>106846227
Just like Susvara...

>>106842865
Fox bass and fox treble is even better.

>>106846307
Im curious about chifiman but I'll never play the QC lottery

>>106843531
Niggas think slighlty boosting some midbass over harman is unique

Are the custom IEM makers from Aliexpress and China making the buds with resin printers?

>>106846235
clogging and chipped paint

I'm Indian. Hello all.

>>106846404
prove it

>>106845912
They can do enough if you have a powerful amp.
If you want a proper bass experience - get a sub. Period. No pos or headpos alone even come close. Or use sub together with headpos lol.

I ended up getting a few IEMs from Amazon with the intention of only keeping one or two and I've narrowed it down to either the Punch Audio Marilos, the Tea Pros, or both. I'm returning the Ziigaat Arete, Estrella and Kiwi Ears Orchestra Lite.

>>106846507
Try doing this bass on planars with leather pads and you'll feel ashamed for thinking you had "bass" on hd600.

>>106846507
>open back headphones + subwoofer

>>106846571
brb running HE6 + subwoofer

>>106846507
>Or use sub together with headpos lol.
underrated meta

>>106846700
Use case for getting bald and annoying your neighbors at the same time?

>>106846723
Hair and neighbors are bloat

>>106846723
I called my old neighbor a nigger while loudly fucking my boyfriends on stim binges, he would've appreciated it if I drowned it out with music

>>106846571
I already broke a pair of HE400se by EQing too much bass, the membrane got stuck to the magnets and got fucked.
HD600/HD580 can do enough bass with EQ for my preference. If I want more I can crossover them with a sub. But at this point I would just probly use speakers + sub instead.

>>106846787
Ugh... my k-bean is tingling... >///<

>>106846792
What kind of feeling and experience are you having right now?

>>106846808
I feel the urge to dilate and play Starcraft 2.

>>106844751
A clogged Chu probably has fucked drivers due to moisture, while the HD600 just need new pads

>

>>106846262
I have a pair of Salnotes Zero OG

>>106844917
physics issue, dipshit. no math involved.
>>106844967
silly

>>106847164
>physics
>no math involved
The absolute state of drivertards.

>>106847215
could easily say the same about 'eqtards' and then it's just really you flinging shit. that's your personality trait, aww

>>106847215
physics don't need no math nigguh we die like real men

>>106847018
he took nigger bass too literally

>>106847234
Say what? The absolute state of eqtards? The state of always being right is great ngl. Chatgpt lost btw.

>>106847234
no you can't
EQ is literally math

>>106847164
>physics issue
Name it pussy.

>>106847272
all those numbers and sheeeit. too many of em. fuck em

>>106846787
is this fixable? I have HE6, didn't nig them up too much. the subwoofer would save them. I gotta break and fix it once to see how much niggardry I can get away with. fkn spent almost $300

>>106847164
Being deaf is not a physics issue.

>>106846346
consensus and attempting to please everyone is such a bitchy low test indian thing to do. on an unrelated note why are the brownoid races so feminine?

>>106847381
this but unironically. give me a chart and I'll pull some hot conclusions from my butt

Id like to get cmf buds 2 plus. What are you guys thoughts on that. Its for gym and morning walk. Im not an audio nerd and i dont want anything wired.

>>106843408
What's ''technicalities''?

>>106847468
I used to like my cmf buds 2 pro.
They are bassy, especially when ANC kicks in, it adds a lot of bass, idk why.
I had an issue but someone explained to me that it's normal when using ANC.
When ANC kicked in I felt like someone was pushing the music into my ears.
They're great for casual use but I just can't...
Tws buds don't isolate much and rely on ANC which doesn't cancel high frequencies anyway.
I sold them because I didn't wanna recharge them, I use wired iems at night with my hiby and they stay on all night.
I also bring it out when taking a walk, and as a plus I can't listen to voice clips from telegram and whatsapp, so I only focus on music.
Again, for casual use I'd recommend them, they're just not for me

>>106846787
>I can crossover them with a sub

Do some weirdos really listen to headphones + a subwoofer? wtf?

>>106847490
ability to accurately replay an audio mix.

>>106847546
That's just FR.

>>106847546
define "accurately"

What do you guys think about kz pr2?

>>106847490
technicalities cover detail, imaging, soundstage, separation, and transients

>>106847595
That's just mental illness.

>>106847575
you have an audio mix. whatever the placement is for everything, vocals and instruments, can be accurately reproduced by a pos having the same layering of instruments, same imaging cues already in the audio mix. some pos, and you know this, have a smaller or taller soundstage than others. cheapshit congests the audio mix. things don't sound as separated. not as tall, or wide. you know this.
this simple goddamn perception is verifiable by not being a deaf, ignorant, willfully ignorant, malignant tranny.

>>106847618
Which part of an IEM changes the height of the soundstage.

>>106847509
I just ordered them thanks

>>106847618
So accurate means more is better? That's not how it works.

>>106847633
you've asked dipshit questions like this before. that's like asking what part turns sounds left and right. idiot retard the AUDIO.
>>106847644
don't put words in my mouth faggot

>>106847618
that's not what I'm asking. What does "accurately reproduced" mean? How is it established if reproduction is accurate to the mix or not?

>>106847668
I look inside an IEM and there's no audio there. Are you okay?

>>106847644
accuracy means fidelity.

>>106847668
You said some IEMs aren't as wide as others. How wide is considered accurate. Do you return your IEMs if they're too wide or are you just a disingenuous faggot?

>>106847698
you'll find it I promise. check the wiring

these people are still discussing soundstage when listening over headphones or iems to a stereo recording made for speakers. does it even matter talking about soundstage if it's not a binaural recording? otherwise, there just is no soundstage. soundstage means I wear iems and it sounds like someone next to me is talking to me. this doesn't happen on stereo recordings, it's all just in your head, price doesn't matter

>>106847709
>How wide is considered accurate. Do you return your IEMs if they're too wide or are you just a disingenuous faggot?
you ask a solid question then you sperg.
familiarize yourself with the audio first. you can't even use the word accurate if you have no idea what the intended mix is supposed to sound like. otherwise you're reducing your experience to other things, just showing your ignorance.
disingenuous is the eq guide nobody reads

>>106847732
Answer the question.

>>106847732
>if you have no idea what the intended mix is supposed to sound like
And how do you know what the intended mix is supposed to sound like?

>>106847744
it's pointless lol he has no fucking idea what the fuck he's talking about. total fucking buffoon. "audio mix" is the only thing he can repeat.
I fucking told him before. audio mix is a variable and can be ignored when discussing IEM's sound quality. He doesn't understand that at all.

>>106847732
Could have just said "I am a disingenuous faggot".

>>106847744
I answered your question.
>>106847778
>>106847816
you literally have a learning disability. whew.

>>106847824
>I answered your question
In which post. I repeat: what is the accurate width of a mix and what do you do when an IEM plays it wider than accurate.

>>106847824
case in point

>>106847836
The accurate width is infinite so all IEMs are less wide than accurate. Because the producer intended all instruments to sound infinitely far away, just like in real life. Obviously!

>>106847778
>audio mix is a variable and can be ignored
holy shit there it is, /iemg/. the cult is here.
>>106847744
>>106847749
>>106847778
>>106847816
samefag

>>106847857
>holy shit there it is, /iemg/. the cult is here.
it's not a cult it's just a reality. you can play any fucking mix of any fucking quality on any fucking pos. it's free (unlike pos) and doesn't matter. feel free to try and disprove it protip - you can't

>>106847836
>what is the accurate width of a mix.
exactly the placement in the mix itself. lol

>>106847869
>feel free to try and disprove it protip - you can't
you? are a child.

>>106847871
how do you know if it's accurate placement or not

>>106847857
??? I'll repeat my question
How do you know what the intended mix is supposed to sound like?

>>106847884
like I said before, know the audio. familiarize yourself with something, a song, anyfucking thing that you know should sound like and that you can listen to it on other systems and know the difference.
this happens you know. just because you choose to ignore it, on purpose lol, is pure cope. and then, the emotional outbursts, lmaoooo

>>106847871
See >>106847618 every pos plays it differently. Which one is accurate?

>>106847899
the more accurate one is the one more accurate to the audio mix lol

>>106847907
See >>106847899

>>106847919
see >>106847907

>>106847897
>know the audio.
...but what does it mean?
>familiarize yourself with something, a song
how does it tell you what the intended sound of the mix is especially when you don't even know if your gear reproduces it accurately or not?
>anyfucking thing that you know should sound like and that you can listen to it on other systems and know the difference
What does "you know should sound like". Do mean live music and not even any audio mix?
>just because you choose to ignore it, on purpose lol, is pure cope. and then, the emotional outbursts, lmaoooo
I literally am not even arguing with you? I'm just asking you to elaborate on your claims and positions? You are the one who's getting emotional and fighting with phantoms

>>106847897
>>106847907
How do you know what it should sound like when every pos plays it differently. Do you just neuralink a track into your brain and then compare pos to it?

>>106847907
Let's be real here. There's no way to know if placement you hear is accurate to the audio mix without listening said mix with the same gear it was mixed on.
So what is your point exactly?

if audio mix is a variable, why even bother with music when evaluating accuracy, can't you just take something that you know what it must look like in a measurement, like a sine wave or noise?

>>106847942
>know the audio.
>...but what does it mean?
listen??????
>You are the one who's getting emotional and fighting with phantoms.
listen. I can't reply to every bullshit bait, projection, dismissive crap just to prove a point it's all bullshit. be normal for once

have you guys heard of the circle of confusion?

>>106847978
Listen with what IEM. You listen with 2 IEMs you get 2 different widths. Which is correct?

>>106847965
>>106847966
damn you're dumb.

>>106847994
you would know if you knew the audio first. you done arguing with yourself and losing? gotta be grueling

>>106847994
The IEM I personally own is always correct. The accurate width is revealed to me in a dream.
>>106847998
>you would know if you knew the audio first
So you don't know.
>inb4 nuh uh

>>106847966
>if audio mix is a variable, why even bother with music when evaluating accuracy
Because "evaluating accuracy" is not something you should do.... You should "evaluate" how natural something sounds personally for you.
>can't you just take something that you know what it must look like in a measurement, like a sine wave or noise
human hearing is shit at utilizing sine swipes so it's not really effective. Using music is still the best way. Accuracy is irrelevant.

>>106847978
>listen??????
That's not an answer.
>listen. I can't reply to every bullshit bait, projection, dismissive crap just to prove a point it's all bullshit. be normal for once
You should reread my post and properly address points I brought up

>>106847998
Still never said anything about IEMs wider than accurate. That's too uncomfortable of a topic I guess.

>>106847998
>you would know if you knew the audio first
How does one get to know the audio???

>>106848034
He would have to admit some IEMs are wider than his, justify why he doesn't own them and call everyone that owns them wrong. That's hella uncomfortable!

>almost bump limit
>only 2 posted their iems
I thought last year's $20 poorfaggotry was bad

>>106848056
yeah its over, without the constant necrobumping from trannies every thread would die at 50 posts or less

>Budget
5 dollars
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
phone, playing rhythm games
>Frequency response preference and music examples
hard hitting bass, mellow down on upper mids, i like the 5k sparkle, then taper off at 6k onwards
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
a&k diana, sounds ok, nozzles were too thick and made of metal, very uncomfy. jh13v2, it was fine, i guess, the 'eq' on the cable was nice. empire ears wraith, too bright and harsh.

>>106848034
>>106848055
>He would have to admit some IEMs are wider than his
I can admit that, easily. I'm the last person to gatekeep, as much as you'd like to think otherwise.

>>106848172
Well? Are they more or less accurate than yours?

All he had to do was not call techs accuracy....

>>106848188
it is a good question, don't let me dismiss it. you tell me, are you familiar with any song that you can say, "this pos exaggerates or congests the mix"? if you were more familiar with the audio itself than you are the gear, you can tell where your gear is hitting or missing. but you refuse to give audio mixes any credit whatsoever.

>>106848228
>it is a good question, don't let me dismiss it.
>immediately dismisses it
What did he mean by this.

>>106848228
not him but if you were familiar with audio, you'd understand what you hear is related to frequency response, not a magical inherent property of the gear

>>106848236
>didn't get the answer he wanted.
expected as much.

>>106848248
Well I didn't get any answer. There are only two possible answers to my question. It's not rocket science.

>>106848257
>Well I didn't get any answer.
you did. over and over again. you think you're having a conversation but you're not. I accept your concession, though.

>>106848275
You said somewhere that your pos is more accurate than wider pos? Must have been deleted, can you repeat again?

>>106847583
best pos under $9, under $300 but not over $20

>completely retreat into his subjectivity domain
>still can't say anything coherent
That's just sad.

>>106848302
did I? quote me

>>106847731
soundstage is a superset of imaging, instrument separation and width/height/depth

>>106848379
>did I?
I don't know. You're the one saying I got an answer. It's either this or the alternative.

>>106848248
When you answer to a yes or no question with more than 3 letters you lose. Sorry. Better luck next time.

>>106848228
>but you refuse to give audio mixes any credit whatsoever
I've yet to see an argument for why one should give them any credit at all

>>106848228
>are you familiar with any song that you can say, "this pos exaggerates or congests the mix"?
Let's say there's a perfect mix of a song. And your gear reproduces it perfectly.
But for example my gear has wider soundstage... a little bit. So instruments of the same mix feel further apart.
So what if a band which played that song will play it live... And when playing it live they put instruments farther than they were in the mix. And live audio will sound closer to my inaccurate POS than to yours more accurate one. What's then? Where does this leave us?

>>106847731
>does it even matter talking about soundstage if it's not a binaural recording
it doesn't matter even with binaural recording. because binaural mic is not your HRTF
>soundstage means I wear iems and it sounds like someone next to me is talking to me. this doesn't happen on stereo recordings, it's all just in your head, price doesn't matter
they will never admit it

>>106848465
whew. boy.
>>106848496
>So what if a band which played that song will play it live... And when playing it live they put instruments farther than they were in the mix. And live audio will sound closer to my inaccurate POS than to yours more accurate one. What's then? Where does this leave us?
you're putting way too much thought into it. live performances aren't meant to reproduce the audio mix like that. at all.

>>106848228
Oh but we do give mixes credit. We know that the stuff you're listening to is completely unsuitable for evaluating sound quality.

>>106848536
you posted this before. post the link.

>>106848528
...so if live performance of something is not a benchmark for how something should sound.... Then what is???
>meant to reproduce the audio mix like that
What is meant to reproduce the audio mix then??

>>106848546
Ask chatGPT

>>106848589
Out of tokens for today.

>>106848496
Bro he can't even say whether his IEM is accurate or not, too much effort.

PEQdB solved audio. In blind tests, when people aren't graph sniffing they'll prefer something akin to Harman IE 2019. That's science.

>>106847595
The driver produces all of that, why call it ''technicalities''

>>106848712
>put that driver into a different shell
>techs gone
It's not that simple.

>>106848695
false
in listening tests same people rated both harman ie and SG target similarly high

If only there were some metric that shows how the same driver can differ between IEMs and the same IEM can differ between people, but was NOT free to adjust...

>>106848712
take one track. only one.
tell me why some pos mush instruments together.
tell me why some pos have better separation.
with the same pos.

>>106848788
with the same track** not same pos.

>>106848729
Harman IE was higher.

>>106848795
>>106848795

I used eq once on my hiby r1. It's a 10 band eq. I didn't succeed much. Boosting mid bass didn't provide more punch but just muddiness. Do I have to decrease other frequencies instead of boosting mid bass? Also is 10 band eq good enough to achieve theoretically "any" sound I want?

>>106846565
Nice, can you describe/write a short review of each? What did you like, what did you not like?

Oh and I was already sure you'd pick the Martilos and the Tea Pros and send back the others.