Thread 106848278

why can't KDE be as polished and stable as GNOME? why KDE developers keep making it bloated, unstable and unusable with every new release? why can't they learn from the best Linux DE.
>hur hur I can rice it
a turd covered in gold is still a turd.
>hur hur is very productive
how? I've never seen anyone being productibe with KDE, and if they are is not because of any special KDE feature.
>hur hur, is like windows
a very low bar

KDE is fine. I'm running gnome right now. Just added a tiling extension. It's fine, too.

>>106848278 (OP)
My plasma shell keeps krashing whenever I wake up my laptop from suspend when it's using a usb-C dock. As much as I like some of it's features, I had to go back to Guhnome as it just werks and I never encountered shit like this on it

>>106848278 (OP)
Gnome fullfills my usecase. It is a bit of a hog though. I could rice kde to be equally as good, but frankly, I don't want to.

>>106848278 (OP)
> as polished and stable as GNOME
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk4/+bug/2127046

The only pro of gnome and gtk is it's snappy, very. When I use winblows or plasma, I feel like adhd is kicking in how slow and clunky everything is.

>>106848373
mine crashes during the first boot of the day

>>106848278 (OP)
In reality both gnome and kde are trash and get tombstone piledrivered by xfce and lxqt

in my experience kde only krashes on ubuntu or ubuntu derivatives

on debian it just werks

I'm having zero issues with kde plasma under Fedora.

>>106848458
ive never had a serious or consistent kde krash on kubuntu lts either
only thing is that kde connect sometimes krashes when you get a call (lol)

>>106848278 (OP)
Isn't GNOME used by Oracle's Solaris? I guess they need stability at all costs

Fedora KDE, not a single hiccup in half a year. People who bring up krashes either low effort trolls using 15 years old memes or they should finally replace their c2d stinkpads.

>>106849324
Well obviously you should use Xfce if you like linux but you make a fair point. crocus and hasvk drivers are broken. Anything older than Broadwell is unusable other than basic web browsing and gaming.

>>106849094
Yea, I never understood the meme. I've had individual things within KDE crash, but I've never experienced it with the compositor or shell itself.

>>106848278 (OP)
Talk is cheap, send patches.

I use KDE, btw

>>106848825
>>106849094
>>106849365
you don't understand, is not only about the krashes, is just a tasteless, aimless, inconsistent and a pleb tier DE, is ugly and a mess, To me it should'n even exists.

>>106849811
Yeah, i don't understand because none of that is true.

>>106848278 (OP)
All of these DEs are ugly af. I don't understand why can't they make a DE with a classic windows theme.

>>106849209
they still use gnome 3.28 or something, ported it years ago and thats it

>>106848278 (OP)
I genuinely like GNOME's overview too much to use anything else nowadays. Cinnamon and KDE's implementations just suck ass.

>>106848278 (OP)
KDE doesn't look like a leapfrog toy so it's automatically better

>>106848278 (OP)
I just hate Gnome's entire DE philosophy so I can't stand to use it. I like KDE because it reminds me of Windows 7. Even with soft crashes where the shell freezes then restarts by itself, I still like it.

>>106849811
> it's not about *objective thing*
> it's actually about *subjective thing*

>>106851145
>I just hate Gnome's entire DE philosophy
so you hate being productive, got it.
>>106851173
Every point of KDE being tasteless, aimless, etc is easy to probe.

>>106848445
>both gnome and kde are trash and get tombstone piledrivered by xfce and lxqt
Truth.

I'd move to Gnome if they had quarter tiling, which even Windows has.
Ideally also a way to set up the tiling, which KDE has with Super+t and Windows has with Powertoys.

>>106848373
>>106848442
Work on my machine.

>>106851280
>>I just hate Gnome's entire DE philosophy
>so you hate being productive, got it.
>Gnome
>Productive
Sure buddy, love the JS desktop which breaks compatibility every couple of months.

>>106849952
TrinityDE, semi-white man

>>106849324
>>106849365
The krash meme is literally just one Indian troll upset it doesn't run on his dual core shitbox. You can make him go apeshit just by asking him to post beef lol.

>>106848278 (OP)
Gnome is repulsive anon. They're not copying Gnome because Gnome is repulsive. Gnome looks like it took inspiration from fucking tablet UIs and Windows 8. It's an unholy abomination which does not belong on PC.

>>106849952
chicago95 my lad

Gnome is ugly. Gnome is dumb. I live in my browser, sit on my thumb.

On my PC HDR works under KDE, doesn't work under GNOME.
On my laptop, HDR works under KDE as long as I force it through an environment variable, whereas I have to use gdctl to somehow make HDR work on GNOME, but it's not saving settings persistently no matter what. They're just behind on this.

i don't really like the window management in gnome (it takes quite a long time to find windows in the overview if you have lots of windows) so i just use kde instead

2 stage window selection (click the icon of the application you want > select the window of it you want) is king and gnome sucks at it

>>106851173
Crashes aren't an objective thing either. Ever since a few versions ago I never see KDE crash anymore. Even before that I only saw one specific crash which had very low chance trigger conditions. (I think it was QT at fault anyway)

>you can drag an icon from the menu onto the quick launch bar
>you can drag an icon on the quick launch bar to rearrange it
>no you can't drag an icon from the menu and choose where it goes on the quick launch bar in one motion, you have to do separate steps
it's the little things.

Why would you suffer with KDE when XFCE exists? Not bait, just wondering.

>>106855461
Because XFCE isn't good.

>>106852654
you want the Tiling Assistant extension. there's a reason Ubuntu comes with it by default.

>>106855889
Last time I tried those tiling extensions they either didn't work half the time or had utterly retarded bindings that are not context aware.
On KDE and Windows if I want the window to occupy 1/4th of the screen in the top right I'd so Super + Right and then Super + Up, on those retarded extensions that would half tile my window vertically and then horizontally, ignoring the previous state of the window. That forces you to bind EIGHT fucking unique states instead of four (the arrows).

>>106855943
wouldn't picrel be the behavior you want? I did
>Super + Right and then Super + Up
and it worked. it also went back to its original state when untiling. I don't really use quarter tiling so can't say I need it too much desu.

>>106856042
Then maybe they've added that feature after I tried it.
Maybe I'll give it another chance.

>>106856604
There's nothing wrong with this.

>>106853823
>a whole essay of excuses for why 3.5GhZ clock speed is not enough for KDE because "old is le bad"
Post nose

>>106848278 (OP)
the absolute opposite happened for me, GNOME just kept freezing every 3 seconds and KDE was buttery smooth (and still is)

>>106856683
How about this?
https://woltman.com/media/files/bad-dialog-resizing.mp4

Or picrel?

>>106857133
looks good to me

>>106853839
>>106854137
>>106855100
that's the problem with these KTards

>hey tell us why KDE is good and should exists
>LET ME TELL YOU HOW MUCH I HATE GNOME.
you are useless gargabe, stick to the garbage DE:

>>106848403
Usecase for GNOME?

I've been jumping back and forth between gnome and kde so many times but I've decided to settle for KDE finally because this still pisses me off with gnome

>tablet inspired UI, even though tablets are fucking DEAD
>no app indicator, the extension also sucks ass and is laggy
>absolutely despise the tablet like app drawer, it's like the OS is mocking me

you either take ebussys cock in your ass or you end up with a frankenstein with 5 extensions that are buggy

>>106855461
>XFCE
gtk garbage

>>106857133
>mainstream Linux desktop
>millions of dollars in funding
>backed by several corporations
>can't even make a fucking context menu or dialog work right
This is why Linux will always be a worthless pile of garbage with zero users.
Linuxtards will cope to their graves telling themselves Windowschads just don't get it while they use the most fucking garbage software ever made.
If I downloaded an app on Windows that worked as ass as the average GNOME app does I'd sue the developer for criminally shitty UX.

>>106857802
>>106857823
see >>106857739

>>106857829
windows is being gnomified, I hope you have deep pockets!

>>106857836
>>106857838

>>106857823
>muh tablet UI
Is it really just the overview that filters you people so much?
>the extension also sucks ass and is laggy
womm

>>106857855
>uses Garbage ToolKit
lmao

The only thing you need is the ability to call programs everywhere, a bunch of virtual desktops/window groups and an ability to resize windows and move them between desktop/groups.

>>106857901
>garbage
>still superior to GNOME
Yeah I guess GNOME is worse than garbarge.

>>106857901
what toolkit is good then, anon?

i still don't know why modern lincucks desktops are so riddled with bugs even though old unix desktops like cde just worked to the point of being used in workstations
must be da joos

>>106857958
nta but Qt never gave me issues, but the DEs currently built around it are ass. inb4 some meme answer like libcosmic

>>106858011
>Qt
you mean, that proprietary garbage that is less friendly to free software with every year? no fucking thanks
>libcosmic
that shit is still pretty beta,
you past and future opinions are nos descarted.

>>106848278 (OP)
Gnome looks like a fucking tablet OS
I remember when I first got into linux and thought it was going to be all hackerman only to be met with something that looks like a windows tablet kek
fuck out of here with gnome

>>106858034
but why KDE is good anon? that's the topic.

>>106857958
Tcl/tk. C programming interface, simple clean api, good docs, attractive visual style, few dependencies, fast, very low resource usage

>>106858063
>Tcl/tk. C programming interface
how about a toolkit from this century?

>>106858027
I'm not a foss cultist so doesn't bother me. you also didn't read me saying "meme answer" so congrats I guess
>you past
>are nos descarted
lol nvm it's always the ESLs

>>106858074
You asked for good toolkits, i gave you the only possible valid answer

>>106858075
>I'm not a foss cultist so doesn't bother me
then you the deserve that krashy desktop
>>106858081
anon, there is no active DE using it.

>>106858114
Prakesh, I know you're incapable of reading, but I specifically called Qt DEs "ass".

>>106848278 (OP)
gnome is a great concept but everything inside of it is half baked. also I don't like ginormous title bars.
>>106848373
indian post
>>106848445
/thread
>>106849952
chicago95; you can find windows 7 icon themes everywhere.

>>106848278 (OP)
because the devs are too busy jerking off to the project's mascot instead of making the UI good
>hurr durrrrr it was good before plasma
no it wasn't, look at it again

>>106858135
>chicago95
Redmond97*

>>106848403
Kde is way hoggier than Gnome, gnome is comparable to xfce.

>>106857823
>you end up with a frankenstein with 5 extensions that are buggy
yep yep paired up with dconf and tweaks, thought I think they added night light config to settings so dont have to mess with dconf for that now

>>106858314
Oh piss off that's not true. GNOME is written in bloody JavaScript.

>>106858460
the shell is writed in javascript just like plasma is writed in QML, witch is a propritary json/javascript, so, even in that GNOME is superior.

>>106858460
>>106858314
DE "bloat" becomes irrelevant as soon as you open a web browser

>>106858480
Motherfucker, you said GNOME is comparable to Xfce. Xfce is 99% C, whereas GNOME is overwhelmingly known as the heaviest desktop environment around.

>>106848278 (OP)
Because it's a year of Linux for desktop.

>>106858535
nigga, gnome shell is light as fuck. Don't believe every thing KTards tell you.

>>106858577
I don't trust ESL screenshots, sorry.

>>106858577
now show the hundreds of gsd-whatever processes, also this is the boot time memory footprint, gnome-shell gets hoggier the more it runs

>>106848278 (OP)
gnome's philosophy to avoid bugs is to remove features.

>>106858721
I trust your mom pussy to be a bio hazzard
>>106858743
>now show the hundreds of gsd-whatever
here, is not even 50mbs, now kindly fuck off.

>>106858743
>gnome-shell gets hoggier the more it runs
skill issue

>>106858821
see >>106857739

kde is definitely more noob friendly because you don't have to extend it as much as many features are already included.

it is objectively better to support gnome to have a wider reach for the linux desktop.
gnome is just too kinky. you either like it or you don't.
instead, kde caters to all kinds of users.
back in the kde 3.5 days (trinity desktop today), they even gave you 4 choices the first time you ran KDE,

4 options Unix, Windows, Mac, Kde if i'm not mistaken.
that tells you how much they cared about getting everyone aboard by default.
there was no defensive stances from developers just to avoid fixing stuff. yes, there were problems but for each problem you got 5 cool features.
obviously you never used all of them at once but at least you had some cool customization potential without having to configure config scripts.

>>106859095
fuck.
i meant that its objectively better to support KDE!

just look at QT and the software that uses it.
some of the best desktop apps use it.
kde is the way to go for wider adoption of linux desktop.

>>106859105
too late, supporting GNOME now.

>>106848278 (OP)
It is, though. It's also so much more configurable and stable, and dare I say, smoother.
It's such a better experience I don't even know what possesses some nigga to even bring up Gnome.

>>106848278 (OP)
>polished and stable as GNOME

1st day of using Fedora 42 KDE

>>106859236
AAAAIIIIIIEEEEEEE DELETE IT DELETE THIS POST NOW GNOME BADDDDDDD

>>106859095
>kde caters to all kinds of users.
that is the main problem with KDE, they try to please everyone and end up creating a bunch of bugs and unstability for all, they lack of focus unlike GNOME.

>>106859412
gnome design is for ex-apple users trying to make something like apple

>>106856729
He's got you dialed in, Arjun. Stop coping.

>>106859412
GNOME has issues too. the file manager crashes regularly (especially after being open in a large directory for like a week). all INSTANCES of the file manager are buggy, and all instances must remain shut for like 5 mins.
the lock screen in Gnome will unfocus if I am too slow in entering my password. clicking back into it will reset the content.
GNOME, when open for a long time, will absolutely begin to hog memory AND CPU, to the point where I experience stutters while typing.
honestly the most stable solutions have always been in running a basic WM and selecting your own suite of software.

>>106855114
Why would anyone ever want this?

>>106859503
see >>106857739 (You)
>>106859517
I've been using GNOME for years, nautilus only crashed only once on me.

>>106859517
you trying to run it on some cobbled together slackware build or some shit?
PEBKAC

I can't put my finger on it, but KDE does look rough. But I'm not one to care about aesthetics. GNOME looks nice but it has absolutely retarded UX.

>>106858830
See what? Read the OP post, he is comparing KDE to Gnome, not asking to explain why KDE should exist.

But anyway. KDE has a great, sane UI. It has tons of nicely organized, easily accessible settings. Almost every single UI element can be configured, changed, moved, adjusted within few clicks. And i don't mean "riced", i'm talking about functional configuration that changes workflow. It's good for a mouse, it's good for mouse+kb, it's good for kb only out of the box. Windows can be easily arranged in any way necessary, (not just left and right magnetic). KDE has basic tiling available (not dynamic unfortunately). Unless you go for strict minimalism, KDE has a great default apps selection - Dolphin is objectively the best, most functional FM. It's very stable, you can shove ancient memes up your ass.
And yeah, if you ever need ricing, change themes, add/place/remove widgets or rearrange interface to very specific needs - it's easy and quick to achieve using in-built tools or settings, without touching config files.

Meanwhile vanilla gnome has jack shit out of the box. Forces you into a barebones pseudo-tablet mode and has zero options to change anything. Even fucking gnome-tweaks is not part of DE. While you can make gnome better by adding a dozen or more user extensions, they are, again, not officially supported and devs don't care if they break or not on the next update. Their quality and stability can vary wildly.
Which is funny, because when something in KDE misbehaves it's krash and instability. When gnome interface falls apart - it's not a gnome problem, it's a third party extension problem. Okay, fair. Too bad that gnome without extensions can only reasonably be used as a browser/terminal launcher. If all you need is to edit google docs or launch Cockpit - sure, go on. But most other DEs and WMs can do the same, while being lighter and/or more functional. Visuals are ok.

>>106859668
blah blah blah
give examples of what productive options in KDE that you need so much and not available in other desktops.

>>106859643
>I can't put my finger on it
KDE doesn't understand padding, that's why every aspect of its UI looks like complete ass.

>2025
>tablet fad passed eons ago already
>gnome still tries to be a tablet

kek

>>106858460
Part written in javascript are not relevant much to performance.
>>106858495
It becomes more relevant, since with browser hogging 90% of it you need it to be able to be able to run on the rest.

>>106848278 (OP)
>gnome
Deprecated by COSMIC.

>>106859721
Personally I have different panels or no panels for different workspaces, that I switch with meta+1,2,3,4,5 and use krunner to initiate web searches, email drafts, open sites, jump to folders. Krunner has more features like music control and calculations in the entry field, but i don't really use them that much.

>blah blah blah
does not invalidate anything I've said. It's a great and easy to use package, configured on the fly within the gui.

Yeah, if you pit it against every other desktop you could say "BUT X HAS Y TOO THEREFORE USELESS", but I'm not falling for that.

>>106859856
>>106860173
see >>106857739
>>106860291
>Personally I have different panels or no panels
you mean, you like to launch programs in a fancy way, all the others DE's can also use shorcuts to open them, KDE is nothing special, actually, you wasted a lot of time ricing it instead of being productive and in the same time and bet you experimented at least 3 krashes while doing it. You did nothing productive.
>does not invalidate anything I've said
you said a bunch of meaningless PR bs.
>Yeah, if you pit it against every other desktop
I admint yout defeat.

>>106856729
stop being poor sunil

>>106860718
>features are pr! workflow isn't workflow! krashes! not productive! MOM TELL THEM THAT I WON!!!
I know that you're very angry because you have nothing to say, retard fren.

>>106848331
No good tiling extensions

>>106857958
qt is still themeable
I refuse to use anything that restricts me to
>low contrast all-grey unreadable dark theme
>low contrast all-grey unreadable light theme

Openbox chads with the same rc.xml from ten years ago chuckling in the background

>>106863245
does openbox support multiple virtual desktops, as well as running a script when I switch virtual desktops? I might drop kwin for it (with lxqt) if so.

>>106848278 (OP)
>productibe
stopped reading there

>>106855114
Moving like rocks.
>>106855461
>Why would you suffer with KDE when XFCE exists? Not bait, just wondering.
Them adopting GTK3 like the way they did made it less like a traditional desktop and it's not feature rich. as far as I know mate uses gtk3 but still looks like one.

>>106863320
I'm not sure about running a script when switching between workspaces, but you probably can probably bind both an action and command for a single keybinding

>>106863904
that sounds like a pain, because I use both Super+Tab to cycle as well as click on a virtual desktop on the panel, which is why I'd like to handle it with events. this should be easily accomplished with kwin, but considering KDE's hostility towards X11 and Xlibre I'd rather not use it.

>>106848278 (OP)
I run KDE both through Nobara and Kubuntu on my desktop and laptop respectfully. My experience has been solid, my wife has not said a single word about it (good God she left all the defaults and it hurts to look at, but she is content). I accidentally killed plasmashell once, and a single google search taught me how to restart it. So then I added this to my .bashrc because why not:
alias {rde,restart-de,restart-desktop}='killall plasmashell; start plasmashell'


I am a novice to Linux still (web dev w/ node doesn't count), but I'm confused why so many people find all this troublesome or hard, when I had to fucking Ctrl+shift+esc and regedit so much of my life away on Windows.

>>106864006
Oops, should be:
> kstart plasmashell
At least it is on Kubuntu

>>106848278 (OP)
does it matter that much man. i'm running the same kde desktop for 10 years now and couldn't be bothered to constantly look and switch everytime another DE gets a new release. it's a fucking ui man what's there to bikeshed?? there's not that much of a difference just stick with one and stop making these retarded threads everyday

I hate gnome but it's the most usable DE
KDE overwhelms me with settings and options I don't need and becomes glitchy and crashy very fast
If they took a couple of versions to refine and polish it instead of adding new shit no one needs every time, they'd very likely mog gnome

>>106848373
This is my only problem I have on KDE that I have krashes after sleep. Besides that I have no problems.

>>106864047
>becomes glitchy and crashy very fast
No it doesn't.

>KDE overwhelms me with settings and options
At what point you get overwhelmed with settings? You don't need to touch anything you don't want to change. It doesn't demand you to set something you don't need on every boot.

Can you give examples of options that got you filtered? Can't tell if bait or brain damage.

>>106864047
>and becomes glitchy and crashy very fast
It always baffles me how this is still the case even today. Been back on KDE this week and it feels fucking wrong, can't tell if it's because of Wayland or not, don't care enough to re-install the X11 session to find out.

>>106848278 (OP)
GNOME itself is not that polished, using a vanilla spin of GNOME on Fedora is a pretty uncomfortable experience. No minimize or maximize buttons, no dock or taskbar of any sort, no app indicators for background apps running like Steam or JD2, it's practically unusable for most people. And even Fedora has to make changes like shipping Firefox instead of GNOME Web which would make a complete vanilla GNOME completely unusable for 99.9% of users. Realistically GNOME only becomes usable OOBE with Ubunutu's changes. Plasma's issue is that it's not used by any serious company, SLE/RHEL/Ubuntu LTS (Pro) all use GNOME, while only SteamOS uses Plasma and it's mostly just as a backend where the user isn't really told to leave full screen steam mode, and is intended to mostly stay inside Steam. Plasma being a rolling release without any fix point releases also makes sure it'll never be fully reliable out of the box either, but it'll have advantages of faster implementations of new features.

daily driving KDE for a year, works like a charm
how the fuck you people manage to break everything all the time is beyond me

>>106864047
I must admit KDE does crash a bit.. but man I cant go back to Gnome.. happy others can use it tho

KDE is much more loonixbrained than gnome

goal of gnome: just werx

goal of KDE: but it's customizable, you can pick your own (list of 500 things that nobody in his right mind cares about but if you misconfigure it the whole thing crashes), literally the dictionary definition of creating problems so you can have a solution

if you want "just werx" you'll get a mac, so the people who want to do everything the stupid way keep developing shit to give me options I didn't ask for and no one wants

>KDE failed to wake from sleep again and had to hard reboot
fuck this piece of shit I'm going back to bspwm

>>106848278 (OP)
>why can't KDE be as polished and stable as GNOME?
Because it's made by G*rmans.

>>106864943
GNOME's source code is far simpler and easier to edit, meaning that GNOME is easier to customize than KDE.

I've been using KDE for a few months as my 2nd Linux DE, and I have to say I think I liked Cinnamon better. I may migrate back to that, unless anyone can recommend a DE that's a good balance of performance and low needed background services.

>>106865474
Cinnamon is just stable KDE, good choice.
>good balance
>performance
>low needed background services
Refer to the video.

>>106848278 (OP)
I actually love the Gnome workflow but I can't stand the appearance of the UI itself. It is all of the most cancerous modern design principles at once.

>>106848278 (OP)
gnome is stable but nothing works properly even appplications which are made for gnome GTK work better in KDE

>>106868780
>source: my wife's boyfriend

>>106868805
i have both installed and GTK apps that fail in gnome wayland work flawless in KDE wayland.
not sure why gnome wayland is so so bugged.

>>106863245
Haha - exactly this - its so funny watching all the back and forth about various desktop environments

>>106848278 (OP)
Quick DE guide for Loonix Tards:
>I'm on Linux Mint
Great, just stick to cinnamon.
>I'm on a rolling release distro (arch, tumbleweed ...)
>A) I like GNOME, but only with a few extensions.
Just use KDE, your extensions WILL "break"
>B) I don't use GNOME extensions
KDE or GNOME, your choice.
>I'm on a point release distro (Debian, Fedora...)
Use GNOME with or without extensions!
>My PC is really old
i3, XFCE
>Enterprise (RHEL, SUSE, Ubuntu)
Just stick to headless or GNOME, there is a reason why GNOME is the default on RedHat, Canonical and SUSE. Flathub is also pro GTK.

>>106870258
>A) I like GNOME, but only with a few extensions.
>Just use KDE, your extensions WILL *KRASHES*