Thread 106859779

is reverse engineering a dying art?
are we witnessing the end of it?
denuvo plus anticheat plus windows plus online checks have fucked it over

>>106859779 (OP)
>denuvo plus anticheat plus windows plus online checks have fucked it over
skiddie cope
any software restriction is still subject to the end user allowing it to be enforced
microshaft will never lock down the PC because it was never designed as a locked-down platform

>>106859779 (OP)
It's dying because computers are becoming terminals.

>>106859822
>microshaft will never lock down the PC because it was never designed as a locked-down platform
this is literally what they do though
moreover while it's not dying, i don't think there'll be angles for new people to learn from. most people started hacking on videogames and now hacking a simple game takes a master's work

>>106859852
>now hacking a simple game takes a master's work
>everyone using the same 2 engines you can dump a SDK for in one click

>>106859852
No, that's what they're *trying* to do, and have failed to do so since Vista. And no, W11 won't be it either

>>106859852
>now hacking a simple game takes a master's work
anon is so brainwashed that he thinks the only games that exist are AAA garbageware with memeuvo

>>106859779 (OP)
anon why do you care
i actually love that's it's not a cringe trend everybody wants to follow (yet...)

>>106860104
and you're so retarded you've never actually engaged in any form of hacking and yet you act like you know shit
any retard (probably except you) can open quake 3 and mess with the internals
however any simple game in steam is obfuscated to hell meaning you gotta dump all its memory. cheat engine is impossible to use in most games, though not hard to bypass, but it's still harder than it used to be
common win32 calls are hooked and so on
the bar is way higher

also what does the fuck memeuvo have to do with game hacking you retarded fuck? games that aren't aaa garbageware have the basic steam drm which is the same of having nothing

so yeah coding aimbot in 1.6 (which you wouldn't be able to code anyway) is easy but good luck getting out of beginner hell

>>106859904
dumping it != hacking it
you can dump leagues memory. good luck hacking it

>>106860174
>however any simple game in steam is obfuscated to hell
The average steam game is made in Unity, Renpy or Godot and can be decompiled with widely available programs in one click, if its scripts aren't already in plaintext
(You) are the one who doesn't know shit

>>106860219
>https://github.com/Perfare/Il2CppDumper
>Common errors
>ERROR: Metadata file supplied is not valid metadata file.
>Make sure you choose the correct file. Sometimes games may obfuscate this file for content protection purposes and so on. Deobfuscating of such files is beyond the scope of this program, so please DO NOT file an issue regarding to deobfuscating.
you were saying? i guess you've never actually tried to do it, right?

>>106860219
>Renpy or Godot
also i dont know why you're larping as if you know anything, because if you knew, you'd know 1. no one is making games in renpy which is a visual novel engine 2. no one is making games worth hacking in godot

>>106859779 (OP)
If reverse engineers are so smart, why is there no cracked Ida pro 9.x? Why do we have to rely on ancient versions?

>>106860174
Deobfuscation is literally tutorial level shit. You are either a retard or pretending you have any experience in the matter.

>>106860375
who is "we"? IDA 9.x was cracked even in beta

you're the only one using ancient versions cause you're a retard

>>106859779 (OP)
>is reverse engineering a dying art?
Not at all. It's a changing art. The barrier to entry is definitely much higher than it used to be in some cases. Yet still, in other cases, the barrier to entry has never been lower...

>>106860174
When you say "most games", do you mean online competitive games? Because I'll grant you that its easy to keep retards like you from fucking with them in this day and age, there are free drop in solutions that keep braindead third world niggers out.
But if you mean "most games", as in most of the games available on steam, youre just proving yourself a braindead third world nigger, and also a lying retard.

I still think cheat engine is a good entry nowadays.
start out by manipulating values.
then you might go on and nop some calls.
then you start injecting your own routines.
...
before you know it you use ghidra to disassemble weird email attachments.

>>106860375
>why is there no cracked Ida pro 9.x
ida pro 9.2 is already on rutracker. dunno if it includes the decompiler, i'll download it later and check. currently on 9.0 so i'm not in a big rush

>>106860767
Every version of ida has been or close to been leaked or cracked.

Even the latest 9.2 was cracked.You just are too stupid to use the internet to find it. I swear brainrot is destroying intellect.

>>106861395
download from the official cracking group

hexrays{dot}su

>>106859779 (OP)
It has always been a small cadre of programmers.

>>106861463
they even got 4 videos of hackerforum fap material of a hoe drawing on herself to support the cause.

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>>106861301
the owner of cheat engine is just sitting on a money pile of stupid people giving free donations.

Darkbyte hasn't done anything crazy since 2008.

Horrible developer still using pascal. Refuses to provide better support or modernize and most contributions come from outsiders.

Almost every anti cheat / security tool has signatures for cheat engine today and can detect it easily unlike in 2008 when much was being discovered.

idk I tried to use ghidra once on an old game and it was all gobbledygook and I know c++ and assembly and windows dev

>>106861496
That's a man.
>>106861516
git gud

>>106859779 (OP)
nobody wants to crack denuvo games because they're not worth playing, same as why nobody wants to torrent woke hollywood movies or netflix slop series

>>106859779 (OP)
you tell me why there is no AI to reverse engineer arbitrary programs, let alone doing it perfectly
which is extremely odd because you'd think AI and training is the perfect way to map human readable code to machine code and vice versa

>>106861516
ghidra is nsa (nigger sex asshole) glowjeet software, just download a cracked ida pro made by white people

>>106859779 (OP)
impossible to make money on hackers

also we have qemu

>>106861516
Ghidra is a pain in the ass to use. I only use it because it's foss. It doesn't handle any obfuscation well at all. Also seems to generate dogshit output for Pascal.

>>106859779 (OP)
Nobody is cracking AAA games cause they’re dog-shit and there’s no demand. It’s the same reason OG XBOX emulation is still kinda shit, nobody cares about XBOX games enough to put in the effort.

>>106859779 (OP)
>imagine if you will
>being such a massive window licking retard that you actually believe this
kill yourself, spamming retard.

>>106861539
>>106862651
people/groups cracking protections aren't doing it to supply obese retards free software. it's done as a challenge and to be first to do it. but then you have demanding fucking faggots that insist everything gets cracked, while they contribute nothing to the cause, and people cracking things lose motivation to continue. when you abject failures on this website wonder about why people aren't rushing to crack everything: now you know.

I just didn't want to get into a hobby that had a 5 figure entry fee. If ghidra existed several decades ago then maybe I'd have picked up the skill for fun.

>>106859779 (OP)
Clearly not because it's how China stole all their tech

>>106863025
you've never even attempted to, otherwise you'd know about the hundreds of free applications released over decades to reverse engineer code for nearly every computer imaginable.

>>106863043
>you've never even attempted to
You're jumping to a hasty conclusion. I evaluated the tools at the time and they're not comparable to IDA. In fact I don't think that has changed. It's only recently that open tools have caught up and it's still debatable as to how much.

>>106863049
you write like a chatgpt bot and someone that has clearly never done or attempted to reverse engineer anything. i doubt you have the ability to reverse engineer a light switch, forget code.

>>106863055
You write like someone who is goading for attention, projecting onto people you don't know.

>>106859779 (OP)
RE is alive and well. Who do you think researches all the malware?

>>106859779 (OP)
>is (anything related to tech) dying?
Yes

Computers are no longer for nerds, they are for normalfags who spend a maximum of 2 hours a day on the computer, they want easy things.

where do i start learning reversing assuming i haev basic programming knowledge

i got ghidra and x64dbg but it looks like eldritch abominations to me

>>106859779 (OP)
Its not dying but its becoming increasingly difficult to learn and practice the most viable use case is probably malware but its big brain shit mostly very obfuscated, you can use pwn.college to get going but dont expect a prestigious security researcher job anytime soon

>>106865275
https://github.com/Cactus-proj/RE-for-Beginners

but really just do crackmes

>>106859779 (OP)
Its tedious and boring just to get the appreciation of faggots for rev eng some shit for a decade.

>>106859779 (OP)
No, it is better than ever.
Look at n64 games or Lego Island decomp projects.
It's just that modern games are simply not worth the effort, so nobody is bothering to.

>>106863011
why would you spend time trying to crack a game you don't actually like?

Denuvo has quite good obfuscation that keeps most crackers away, besides it's not an interesting target as far reward goes, contrary to anticheats where you can sell your shit, the cheat scene is thriving.
However, cheats are going to get killed by attestation and improvements in the windows kernel/boot security eventually.
>>106863011
It was done as a challenge back when protections were not as advanced and still easy to automate and there was competition in the scene. Even a maxed securom/starforce with al fetures implemented was way easier than denuvo.

>>106861829
>>106861829
>>106861829

>>106867687
>boot security
hardware solutions exists even for consoles

>>106867687
>/boot security
also virtualMachines/emulators

>>106870766
True
https://youtu.be/U7VwtOrwceo?si=Yu4Nq_bBgVctX-V0

>>106859779 (OP)
I think it’s a good skill to have, but I wouldn’t focus on it too much. It’s kind of boring unless you enjoy solving sudoku puzzles in your spare time. I only ever use it for game hacking and malware analysis. I couldn’t imagine trying to reverse an entire program for something as autistic as backward compatibility.

>>106871498
Is it really that boring?

>>106861463
Do they crack ida with ida?

>>106859779 (OP)
Honestly it's kind of more casual and boring these days since the tools have gotten so good.

>games
Who even cares at this point?

>>106866536
i dont want to crack anything i just want to reverse data structures and hook functions

>>106876027
Get a game with no anticheat and use cheatengine to find functions and data structures.

>>106876159
Will it give me the info needed to inject my own dll? I don't want to rely on cheat engine for usage

>>106859779 (OP)
do the DRM bypass techniques widely used not count?

>>106876159
That game would be AssaultCube

>>106876173
Are you asking if using cheatengine will teach you how to inject a dll? Just look at some open source code. If you’re not manually mapping the code into memory then it’s only a couple of winapi calls.

>tfw gotten into RE'ing 18 years ago
>stopped for absolutely retarded reasons
>could've been top nsa hacker or something
instead i'm some lowly codemonkey

Also fuck you Oleh, for never porting ollydbg to 64bit

>>106878194
>tfw i was born when you were RE'ing

>>106859779 (OP)
How autistic do you have to be to understand any of this shit? I tried using IDA to disassemble/decompile something once and the result was unreadable.

>>106859779 (OP)
>Install clean files
>add steam emulator/online fix
>???
>profit
It's easier than it ever was.

>>106865275
One thing you could do to get started is compile simple programs and then open them up in a disassembler. This will help you learn what common programming constructs look like in a disassembled format. Really, start with "Hello World!" and get more complicated from there.
protip: learn to recognize groups of instructions instead of trying to autistically track register state in your head across individual instructions

If it has cheat detection it's not worth hacking (skinner box slopgames with rootkits)

>>106860174

You clearly know shit about what you’re talking. Stop it you’re just embarrassing yourself monky sucker

>>106860375
What fucking world you’re living into? I put my hands on IDA 9.2 on day 0 and never paid for it. The world is bigger than unknowncheats you fucking worm

>>106878802
>me
earned money doing it
>you
download linus pics to appear quirky

>>106878318
You have to know assembly to use a disassembler thoughbeit.

>>106878318
assembly is easy though
coding something in assembly is a whole different besst but understanding the code isn't that hard

>>106878404
When I was younger I was into the roblox hacking scene but Hyperion made it so that only the actively running pages were ever decrypted, making it undumpable unless you found a way to keep all the pages decrypted without its detection crashing the game. A guy figured out how to just statically decrypt it, but the entire experience made me realize that I was too old to be spending this much time hacking a lego game. They pretty much killed it anyway with filtering being mandatory on all the games.

Are they still making versions of Ida? Fucking Why? It's strictly worse than Ghidra. Ghidra is so much better that I see no use for Ida.

>>106859779 (OP)
>denuvo plus anticheat plus windows plus online checks have fucked it over

You basically know the answer.

The publishers learned that it's not about having strong DRM, but having tons of DRM.
That way it takes months for a piracy group to release a working patch.
That's important because not only most sales are made in the first couple months, but it makes harder to pirate multiple releases at the same time as pirate groups have to focus on a single title.
By the time a patch is released, gamers already moved on and the impact of the work is much diminished, greatly reducing motivation for piracy and hacking groups.

>>106878318
Ehh, codemonkey level autistic. so none to barely autistic

>>106879461
i'd argue it's the opposite
compilers can and will use very specific instructions and structures for achieving optimization
whereas as a human to write unoptimized assembly i only need few instructions

>>106878248
Well, start now and in 10 years you'll be a top haxxor
don't stop.

>>106879417
So what? You earned some money when it was just a matter of pressing some buttons and referencing to the instruction set manual. Now it really takes some knowledge and real work and you can’t make money anymore. I’m still in the game, I’m so sorry if you spent your time fucking goats and now have to hide from ICE agents full time, monky

>>106859779 (OP)
>>denuvo
>imagine playing modern slop
couldn't be me