Thread 106866894

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs including MONITOR: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped
Guide: https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Build_a_PC

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: Phanteks XT PRO (ULTRA), Montech AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Y40, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision (Compact), Antec C8

>CPU
Budget (inc. gaming): 7500F, 7600/X, 9600/X
Gaming: 9800X3D, 7800X3D, 9700X
Workstation: 9950X, 9900X
Premium: 9950X3D
Intel: If deeply discounted (265K for value & reliability, 12600KF budget, 14600K midrange)

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
Dual tower: A620 PRO SE, Peerless Assassin 120 SE V3, NH-D15 G2
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, Duronaut, PTM7950 (phase change)

>MOTHERBOARD
Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.

>RAM
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AMD), 6400CL32 (Intel)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580 (for new builds), used card
Midrange: 9060 XT 16GB, 5060 TI 16GB
High-end 1440p & Midrange 4K: 9070 XT, 5070 Ti
Workstation: 5090, used 4090 or 3090 Ti

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: KTC H24T09P, ASUS XG259CS
1440p: KTC H27T22, Gigabyte M27QA, ASUS XG27ACS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED)
4K: Gigabyte M27UA/M27UP, KTC M27P6 (miniLED), ASUS PG32UCDM (QD-OLED), XG32UCWMG (WOLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

Prev: >>106860188

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.

>Omissions
RTX 5070: buy if it's reasonably priced & if you plan to work around potential VRAM bottlenecks.
RX 9070 non-XT: worth considering if it's significantly cheaper than the 9070 XT.

Intel 13 & 14th gen i7/9 -K CPUs: BIOS update required due to reliability issues. Recommended to set a CPU VR voltage limit (1.4 or 1.45V).

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=Power+Supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.phoronix.com/reviews/Storage (Linux performance)
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews
https://www.servethehome.com/category/storage/

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>refusing to spend on a case this hard
Why? What's wrong with a box that is built like a tank and fits all your components to perfection?

>>106866962
at the minimum you want something that provides enough airflow and doesn't cause dust to enter to clog everything. having no airflow causes issues for everything. having no case to allow airflow makes dust clog it all up. unless you got one of those gpus with magnetic fans just get a good case.

>>106866477 #
I already bought the PSU and MoBo on sale, unless there’s something wrong with them I don’t plan on returning them. Though maybe I bought them too early when I don’t have the other parts.

The RAM brand doesn’t matter, but would I need more than 32GBs if Im not doing much other than gaming? If it goes on sale for a decent price, maybe I’ll shoot for 64GB.

Thanks for linking that chart, I’ll likely get the 7800x3d instead. I won’t lie, despite the chart I am still kind of holding out for 9800x3d going on sale but if a good 9070xt price comes out, I’ll stick with the 7800x3d buy them both so I can start building. Even though the difference is marginal performance wise, I still want the “better” performing card for long term

anyone here has tips on how to apply mx6?
I've read this paste isnt suitable for spreading so whats the best application pattern
and should I warm it up a little bit in my hand or is it unnecessary?

>A few LGA 1700 processors degrade quickly. Intel extends warranty and fixes issue
Massive problem. Never buy intel again
>A few AM5 processors literally catch on fire or explode. No attempt at fixing the issue or offering compensation
It's okay, must be a user issue anyways

Make this make sense.

>>106866962
the op pic is from some retard in /v/
which isnt surprising tbhdesu

>>106867004
Well, AMD accepts RMAs even if PBO was enabled

>>106867004
>2019
>AMD has lower gaming performance, higher multicore performance and lower cost per frame
>all techtubers recommend AMD
>2025
>intel has lower gaming performance, higher multicore performance and lower cost per frame
>all techtubers... still recommend AMD
GN recently said >80% of their audience buys AMD (from affiliate links)
this is the power of techtubers

>>106867077
>GN recently said >80% of their audience buys AMD (from affiliate links)
So amd fanboys are confirmed mostly parrots following their favorite fag-tuber? Why are these freaks given any type of platform?

>>106867113
$$$
Why do your own research when someone else tells you what to think with reasons you’re not going to look up

>>106867076
yeah because they can't tell PBO was enabled
on threadrippers they can and i guarantee you aren't getting a replacement if the OC fuse was blown
>>106867113
techtubers tell their audience they NEED the 9800X3D to play fortnite or they will be left behind
that audience goes to reddit and tells everyone about how great the 9800X3D is
reddit encourages groupthink so any dissenting opinion is downvoted into oblivion
AI models are trained on reddit so when normalfags ask the magic chat app in their phone what they should buy it always answers AMD

this is how you win the DIY market

>>106866995
It's a bitch to apply if you want to spread it evenly.
It will not stick to the IHS like normal paste at least not at the room temperature.
I simply made a swastika pattern without spreading it and the cooler pressure did the rest.

am I a dummy for still being on ddr4? I want to upgrade to 64gb of ram(possibly 128) and the prices are so much higher than what I was expecting. they are similar to ddr5 prices. not only that but the selection of ddr4 ram at those capacities appears to be at least 10 times less than ddr5 ram. like the industry has fully moved on.

so done with these fucking driver issues on my 5070 ti. i was in the middle of typing up a shitpost dunking on the AMDrones ITT when my screen went black and I had to turn my whole pc off. im rmaing and switching to 9070 xt fuck it idc anymore.

>>106867182
>this is how you win the DIY market
Why isn't it working for the gpu side? They've been shilling those even harder and longer. I understand diy sales Nvidia isn't like 95% or something like prebuilts and laptop dgpus but it's still overwhelming.
>>106867173
Eventually they should have enough experience to kind of understand the lay of the land without really doing any research though

>>106867113
What exactly is the problem? AMD CPUs are currently superior, they are the logical choice for a purchase.

>>106867183
nta but top kek, will definitely try it next time

what's the best way to test for CPU and RAM stability? prime95 blend?
also any 9950X3D fag caring to report Vsoc and Vcore when buttfucking all their threads?

>>106867297
>They've been shilling those even harder and longer
NVIDIA is also good at stealth marketing
they've been doing it for a very long time
https://web.archive.org/web/20130915125814/https://consumerist.com/2006/02/06/did-nvidia-hire-online-actors-to-promote-their-products
https://web.archive.org/web/20130915143001/https://consumerist.com/2006/02/06/nvidias-perez-they-act-as-our-voice
>>106867314
AMD CPUs are currently blowing up

>>106867243
AFAIK DDR4 is still being manufactured but they're scaling back. Higher capacity configs will be rarer because the big buyers (server/enterprise) are all on DDR5.

>>106867182
>techtubers tell their audience they NEED the 9800X3D to play fortnite or they will be left behind
No one is saying this except the worst of the worst clickbait channels no one should watch anyway. And you literally do need amd x3d if you don't want many multiplayer games to ever stutter on you.

>>106867314
>currently superior
Literally just in one segment: Ignoring everything else including other/mixed usecases and value, the best gaming cpu.

>>106867327
It's not very stealthy if they openly had press conferences about it 20 years ago, isn't it?

>>106867004
>A few LGA 1700 processors degrade quickly
>>106867327
>AMD CPUs are currently blowing up

I hope Intel are at least paying you for doing damage control and AMD FUD for them

>>106867336
>No one is saying this except the worst of the worst clickbait channels no one should watch anyway
sure
>And you literally do need amd x3d if you don't want many multiplayer games to ever stutter on you
lol you really believe this shit
do i need to prove a point? download CS2 (it's free)
get this map: https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=3240880604
run the benchmark and report back with your results
>>106867343
20 years ago is ancient history
but everyone has undercover shills now so it's not like they're doing anything special, AMD and NVIDIA are just better at it

>>106867317
OCCT
yCruncher
Prime95
memTest
You can also run Fluffy Doughnut AKA FurMark in the background for extra heat load in case your RAM is temperature sensitive.

>>106867365
Cs2 runs well on toasters even. My 5900x can push over 300 fps sometimes. Not a good example. X3d undeniably helps tremendously for some multiplayer titles. Tarkov is probably the best example, streets on that game is dogshit on anything that isnt x3d. Also getting triggered by a youtube thumbnail is sad as fuck.

>>106867365
Nigga I'm not downloading 50+GB to prove an internet argument.

>>106867398
>Cs2 runs well on toasters even
no it doesn't
CS:GO did
>My 5900x can push over 300 fps sometimes
not in 1% lows
but whatever, you don't even have an X3D so you don't understand how overhyped they are
just doing it for free, for the love of the game, i respect it
>>106867425
you should invest in a better internet connection instead of an overpriced 8 core CPU

you wouldn't need an X3D cpu if you didn't play homosexual cumpetitive video gaymes

>>106867463
this

I have a 9600 non-X

>>106867497
seethe

>>106867497
why did techtubers stop shilling cinebench scores anyway
oh right
>>106867509
apply this
https://www.patreon.com/posts/low-effort-rank-77403831
no X3D needed

>>106867368
thanks m9
I feel like this goes without saying but I should turn off the iGPU when trying to minmax for the best UV, right?

quick question bros

3080 ti 12gb 2nd or new 5060 8gb
for moderate gaming and also Day trading

>>106867568
At the same price of course you do the 3080ti, that's just straight up the better card.

>>106867527
You can disable it if you aren't using it, one less thing to worry about.

>>106867568
5060 is about as powerful as a 3070. 3080 Ti is a solid step up from that, right between the 4070 and 5070. Always get the 3080 Ti as long as your PSU can handle the higher power draw. That's assuming both are priced somewhere around 300-350 euro.

>>106867579
will 650w psu do the job for 3080 ti??
and its not atx 3.1

>>106867463
>>106867490
Lots of L3 cache is beneficial outside of gaming. That's why the 9950X3D exists.

>>106867338
Right, and people are buying them to play video games, the intended purpose. I'm not sure what fantasy world you live in, but the only high performance computing need the average person may have (if any) is running video games. Intel can put 3500 e-cores on their CPUs and circlejerk over Cinebench scores or whatever but basically nobody in the consumer market actually needs that shit.

>>106867630
"those people" should take a look at the playstation 5, it's a product that was designed to play video games

>>106867113
>>GN recently said >80% of their audience buys AMD (from affiliate links)
*AMD CPUs which the entire market buys anyway

>>106867243
I'm still using a DDR3 system every day

>>106867336
>And you literally do need amd x3d if you don't want many multiplayer games to ever stutter on you.
they still stutter and framedrop on x3d

>missed shit posting the entire weekend and this day on pcbg
>It's over
anyway, current topic, Ikea Idåsen vs Mittzon tables - electric, which one does not cuck me
the Idåsen non standing is Optimum tech approved, but Mittzon is the best seller

>>106867662
could've fooled me

>>106867702
>Optimum tech approved
arab

>>106867605
As long as the power supply isn't total junk you should be good to go, undervolt if you're worried about it.
>>106867630
>>106867665
See pic related + cope and seethe
>>106867336
>literally do need amd x3d if you don't want many multiplayer games to ever stutter on you.
Name one game. 9800x3d isn't even any faster for compiling shaders and random loading things in bulk.

>>106867662
As was the 9800X3D ;)

>>106867728
>>See pic related
Yes that's what I said. That's it in picture form.

>>106867710
lmao
PS2 then (you don't need more)
>>106867728
>9800x3d isn't even any faster for compiling shaders
yeah this is the worst part
the 9950X3D is overpriced but it's a halo product, it's the best at everything, some people want that and that's fine
the 9800X3D is overpriced and it sucks outside of very specific scenarios, in very specific conditions
>>106867737
why would you buy a playstation CPU for your personal computer

>>106867613
This kills the pootel shill
>>106867728
Yeah nice chart that shows intel losing marketshare to AMD which nearly went bankrupt only a decade ago dumbass.

Intel fanboys have become the schizos of the pc world. Because yeah its techpowerup reviews and gn videos that caused intel stock to hit rock bottom, there is no way they have been making uncompetitive products.

>Great news
>My friend gave me a pretty solid PC, it has asus rog strix 4090 oc, 7950x3D and 64gb 6000 ram with a titanium(!?) 1600 PSU since he got a new PC recently

>Bad news
>Installed everything but....my razer deathadder V3 pro extension software won't work

I'm fucking ruined bros

>>106867710
Hahahahahaha

There's no reason to build on ATX.

It has recently come to my attention that virtually ALL monitors are using dogshit mediatek chips as scalers. I mean like 99.9% of them. I read up on this after Nvidia announced they were ditching their stupid fucking GSync modules and allowing mediatek to implement it in their chips. There is no escape from them. It's one of the main reasons that VRR has random flickering issues with random configurations and why color accuracy is so fucked across the board for "prosumer" monitors. Buying a monitor fucking sucks and I hate it.

The monitor cartel needs to be broken up again. Fuck this market holy shit

>>106867780
i feel like the good news should balance out the bad news in your case
give him a kiss on the cheek next time you meet him

>>106867780
also, should I change the thermal paste with grizzly paste? I saw the temp for the CPU spike up to 70C when it was installing all of the updates....PC even has an Arctic IOU cooler too on the CPU. But the 4090 was in the 40C range the whole time...

>>106867780
It's no so often you run into a male prostitute on /g/. Hope you're having a good time there bud

>>106867806
>grizzly paste
overrated shit. Just use regular pastes
>70c
That's normal for a near full core workload even with an aio.

Someone some time ago said something about there being a better/safer/something way of updating from windows 10 to 11 and I dont remember anymore
Not through the updates menu but something else. Maybe with windows 11 files or something
help

>>106867797
Freesync killed Gsync. No need for modules or Nvidia hands involved. It's open source and free. It's so ubiquitous that phones have it.

>Nvidia deal almost doubled intel stock
>Now that hype died down stock trending down again already
Lmao. Post another cope that x3d is a Playstation cpu surely that will stop the stock dropping another point intards.

>>106867837
tech stocks move with crypto stocks now. when crypto goes up tech goes down. when tech goes up crypto goes down.

>>106867442
You have no idea how big 3D v cache was for the ten people who play racing and flying sims. Even WoW.
>>106867793
Maybe if you have girl hands.

>>106867837
post CS2 benchmark numbers
>>106867848
i know for a fact you don't need X3D for wow

>>106867442
X3D is the opposite of overhyped. It's the biggest innovation in CPUs since they moved the northbridge from the Mobo to inside the chip itself.

>>106867832
Gsync's implementation was genuinely better and I'm saying this as someone who has only bought AMD and is still using a fucking Vega64 with a viewsonic Freesync monitor. The scaler chips they designed had a much higher range of frames they worked in which was the main reason you would even really need VRR in the first place. Yes it's nice at higher framerates but at lower ones it's way, way more important to have.

Seriously read up on how dogshit the PWM implementation is by Mediatek and you'll see why them having a complete monopoly on the scaler chip market is a really fucking bad thing. The actual professional market standard, Flanders, refuses to use them and made their OWN FPGA just to ensure color accuracy on their monitors. It's not just marketing bullshit I promise you

>>106867682
i'm trying to run ai and my existing ram isn't enough.

>>106867831
download rufus
click checkbox to disable TPM requirement (if that's what you're worried about)
the end

>>106867719
>The board
Idåsen is 3mm and is thicker vs 1.9mm on Mittzon, idåsen is a full 160x80, Mittzon has a cutout and is 160x68 or whatever it is on the 160x80 full, which also means it has slit for cable management and stuff, but has the cable management collector thingy behind it - which will be problematic if you wanna arm stand mount monitors

>Legs
Mittzon has better C legs for mobility shit, Idåsen has A legs at the bottom which slightly hampers mobility, but is more stable

>Electric adjustment
Mittzon has 2 saved modes and up down vs Idåsen which has just up down with a lever, plus the lever is placed closer to the center than absolute sides which is more annoying, not sure u can choose spot on Idåsen but on Mittzon it's left or right, think it's on both
Mittzon also has 2 hooks on either side

My ideal table would just be a giant slab with C legs and the button placement places far away on sides but apparently they don't even wanna make that maybe some where else has that
actually now that I remember it pretty much I am describing the Secretlab magnus pro, but it also has a cuck slit, but the controller is integrated in the table so it doesnt cuck your chair so, but it's a 1150€ table so eh

>>106867863
You don't need a CPU made in this decade for WoW if you don't mind stuttering and abysmal 1% lows.

>>106867874
Because its open source, it has the pros and cons of open source. one of the cons is its up to whoever uses it to define the actual thing. look at android. its linux which is open and free as possible but so google gayfied it may as well be proprietary thats why custom roms still go on.

>>106867866
edit: thanks for the gold kind stranger!

>>106867863
If you're a hardcore raider you need X3D because all those addons are in LUA and LUA only gets a huge speedup from increasing L3 or single core perf. since single core perf is stagnated the only thing left is L3.

>>106867863
>>106867919

>>106867894
I want to be clear that I don't think that Gsync is inherently better simply because it was closed source bullshit. I'm saying it's because that they had a dedicated module which genuinely performed better than mediatek which is all any monitor maker uses. Freesync does the job and for cheap but without a better chip, it runs into a lot of issues.

I am literally just talking about a hardware difference. IIRC gsync modules ended up being Freesync compatible over the last few years so it didn't even matter anyways

>>106867893
to be fair i haven't tried war within but it ran fine even on my old 5800X in DF
>>106867919
no you don't
overclock your memory
>>106867925
both of these systems are getting terrible FPS

Why are Asrock the only people that don't disable sata ports if you populate all M2 slots ffs

>>106867952
there's zero chance that's true on all chipsets. Check the block diagrams

>>106867919
Not even just that, I play on warmane and have noticed how much better cities and WG run moving to 3D v cache. It's like Intel's old L4 cache.

>>106867979
did you really have FPS issues in 3.3.5 with your old rig lmao
i think i'm starting to understand what the experience of using a PC is like for your average /pcbg/ poster

i want to ask bros
if i have 3080 ti
is it better to buy 7500F or 5700x3d ?
both are tray

>fucking around on the Costco website
>see they sell gaming PCs
>ok it's just generic prebuilts
>find a custom builder link buried somehow
>some company called CLX, never heard of it
>first thing I see is a goth gamer girl playing on a goddamned OUIJA PC
what the fuck am I looking at

I also configured a high end PC just to see the price point. I haven't done the comparison but it seems ridiculous

>>106868057
Is goth GF included?

upgraded to a 9800X3D, now i can finally play wrath of the lich king :D

>>106868057
they keep saying margins are bad in prebuilts but there are way more SIs than ever now

>>106868077
I just got flashbacks from playing WotLK on a single core Pentium 4.
10FPS in 25man raids.

>>106868057
She's cute.

>>106868057
>>106868104
>>106868132
I don't think she's included at that price point but the margins can't possibly be bad for SIs. I didn't even add the custom bullshit like decals, new paintjob on the case, peripherals, etc. Shit is crazy, who is buying this? Streamers?

>>106868042
context matters
if starting from scratch am5

>get 9800x3d
>forget that mmos are back in the table
I should check out GW2 again, WvW with a 3d vcache cpu must be insaneo

>>106867764
>why would you buy a playstation CPU for your personal computer
To play games at triple the FPS and make retards like you seethe ;)

>>106868057
$2600 for this
14900K and a 850W PSU with a 5070
5600 DDR5, and a budget ass PCIE 3.0 SSD
Beyond ridiculous its totally retarded

>>106868198
yes from stracth
first ever amd build i guess
been using i7 skylake and gtx 1060 since 2017

remember that it was never about value or price to performance for amdfags

an intel "fanboy" at least acknowledges when the other team has an objectively better product. that being said, if nova lake is good, i will be going back to intel.

>>106868209
yeah but you get the OUIJA PC motherfucker that's like 500 bucks of value add right there

>>106868207
Make sure you use DXVK. Your CPU is bottlenecked in all MMOs if you don't use it. DirectX 11 sucks at multi thread and draw calls.

>>106866894 (OP)
Why not go mATX?
Why not go SFF?

>>106868242
I am amd since dragon platform
Google amd dragon platform please

>>106868248
how could it possibly be the case that using a wrapper somehow removes CPU overhead. I'm not saying it's impossible I simply just cannot understand how that's a thing

>>106868245
still too expensive even if you remove the $500

>>106868208
you can do whatever you want with your money but you will be sodomized by 12 core CCD zen 6
>>106868242
it's exactly the same situation as when intel was pushing the 7700K back in 2017
the only difference is that techtubers are still cheering for AMD

>>106868268
oh I wasn't being serious about the OUIJA decal, anon. It's stupid as fuck all around. Carry on

>>106868261
You're changing graphics APIs and the if you're not underaged you will remember that API wars were a thing and every old game let you select a API like OpenGL, Glide, DirectX, etc.

Vulkan is using better compiler and code than DirectX so it can process draw calls faster and without pausing the graphics renderer.

>play game
>minimize it
>open browser
>close browser
>get back into game
>it stutters periodically until I restart the PC
How I FUCKING hate that even a smallest, tiniest motherfucking thing can ruin performance.

>>106868286
At least the game still works and you can save your progress, some games still crash if you alt tab away from them.

>>106868286
chromium and amd chipset drivers send their regards

>>106868286
Open resource monitor and look for rogue services or processes. Task manager is almost useless for this.

My PC suddenly turned off and won't turn back on.
It's a relatively brand new PC, built it around January.
I can't even remember all the specs, 4080 super and a bunch of other good parts. I'm stressed out and can't recall.
I cleaned it out, dusted it and stuff nice, and still nothing. I tried different outlets too. Nothing.
If I unplug the wire and plug it back in, then try turning the PC on, I hear the faintest possible little buzz, like one tiny "bzz" and that's it. What are the chances the PSU is just dead, and it's not like a motherboard thing. I don't have any spare fans to like, unplug my PSU, and plug in just a fan to my PSU to test it. I'm so stressed.

>>106868320
Does the motherboard light up or the fans? If you get no lights it's either dead Mobo or dead PSU.

>>106868320
relax
are there any lights on the motherboard
do fans spin at all
do you have a spare psu to test? if not, get one
if still nothing, get another mobo to test

>>106866894 (OP)
>>Avoid ASRock AM5 boards, CPU degradation issues still reported.
well what motherboard do i buy then
why is there a whole autism website for SSDs but not motherboards they are far more complicated

>>106868042
7500F so you're on AM5 and can always upgrade to Zen 6 or Zen 7 in a few years if necessary. Plus you get faster DDR5 RAM.

>>106868337
asus, msi, gigabyte
they're all chinkium brands with the same awful customer support so you are screwed regardless, but at least your cpu has a lower chance if suddenly dying

>>106868261
You trade more GPU overhead for less CPU overhead. In various games this is well worth it the cost especially if you have a OP system.

>>106866894 (OP)
I got filtered by PSUs. My PC uses 450w max and I have a 850 W PSU.
Offline, online, line-teractive, 'smart'. I am not sure what to get. My guess I that I need at least 1200 VA, but which type?

>>106868320
well my psu just died maybe it didn't want to go alone

>>106868357
i assume you mean ups
get something that matches your psu wattage
get a pure or simulated sine wave one
get something preferably from APC as they have incredible customer support (advanced RMAs)
never get a used ups

Do I need windows 11 for a 14600K

>>106868409
imagine the TeamSpeak channel

>>106868325
>>106868330
Nothing happens whatsoever when I push the power button. I tried different outlets and stuff. No noise no lights, no nothing. Even the tiny bzz I mentioned is gone. That though was like so faint and impossible to hear anyways.
I have a 10 year old PC still that I replaced with this one, it has the psu still inside it. I'd be scared to try that old PSU on this PC cause it's so old and I'd be afraid that the wattage or voltage whichever it is, is so different and not enough that it would end up short circuiting my new stuff.

>>106868409
>The Pentium 4 single core that had to run WoW

>>106868440
>"I'm tired, boss."

If I get a WH16NS60 from china should it be able to play 4K discs? I have a blu-ray player but it can't do 4k or flash firmware because it's too old.

https://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-9070-xt-demolishes-rtx-5070-ti-in-call-of-duty-black-ops-7/
Nvidia xisters that's FUCKING IT, im gonna finally KILL MYSELF tonight. Every CoD release it's the same thing. Radeon is simply superior on one of the most played games in the world unless you pay $3000+ for a GPU meant for workstations that eventually melts anyway. My 5070 ti will NEVER be faster than a 9070 XT in the worlds most popular fps and I will NEVER be a woman, death is my only escape from this hell now.

the benchmark spammers dont play games

>>106868390
Fug yes I meant UPS
>get a pure or simulated sine wave one
I am more confuse
>get something preferably from APC
I see these frequently:
>line-interactive SMV1500AI-MS / 1500VA (expensive)
>online SRV1KI / 1000 VA 800 W (very slightly cheapter than above)
>offline BX1600MI / 1600 VA (half the price of above)
Which one anon? I don't want my pc to get fried.

>>106868555
I'm guessing you are not in burgersville, because APC sells different UPS to different countries. Out of those 3, I would just get the cheapest one. Offline UPS are cheaper because there's generally a slight delay when switching from AC to battery, but you will never notice

you want a sine wave ups becausehttps://forum.corsair.com/forums/topic/189707-cracklingbuzzing-noise-coming-from-psu-when-on-ups-battery-power/ just read this thread

>>106868430
get a psu to test off amazon, if it's not the psu, return the psu within the 30 day return period and get a test motherboard

Radeon sisters rejoice, I just learned from the AMD Emotional Support group discord of black ops 7 performance.
I thought I would have to kill myself after this weeks announcements from sony and amd confirming that rdna 4 is being abandoned early, but now I finally have a reason to not commit suicide.
Be sure to report any mention of Reflex or Anti lag wherever you may see it.
>>106868552
Can't, too busy playing with my team-red stamped clitty

>>106868599
Thank you for helping me avoid a potential disaster. Cheapest pure sine-wave it is!

>>106868638
i can tell you have absolutely no friends or life outside of this thread

>>106867293
Use case for mental illness?

so done with these fucking melting issues on my 5090. i was in the middle of playing wuchang fallen feathers when my connector melted and whole pc caught on fire, I have to build a whole new pc. im suing nvidia and building an all amd pc with the settlement money fuck it idc anymore.

>>106868699
disability benefits

>>106868699
proving this place has no real mods. literally you can spam whatever you want as long as it isnt porn.

Any overclocking wizards in here?

My 5950X running 4000MHz CL16 at 1:1 boots fine, but Prime95 large FFTs crashes after about 10 minutes. I’m trying to lock down the baseline and want to make sure I’m twisting the knobs in the right order.
Current settings: SoC 1.125 V, VDDP 0.95 V, VDDG CCD 0.95 V, VDDG IOD 1.05 V, Gear Down Mode is on and DRAM PowerDown is disabled. I’ve cycled ProcODT from 32 ohms up to 40 and also tried down to 20 but same shit. What sequence are you supposed to follow when you're doing a fabric OC? I feel like I’m super close to getting this working.

>>106868747
Not true. They also have started giving out bans and warning for making fun of Indians.

>>106868546
>Every CoD release it's the same thing. Radeon is simply superior
You remember when you could not play CoD WZ for two years straight if you bought a 6900XT right? by AMDs own admission certified stamped and approved too
nah, people here in this thread are a perfect representation for society at large, just a bunch of retards with no interest for the truths just pushing some retard agenda on repeat
the Jews were right about goyim, truly

>>106868774
They always ban for racism outside of /b/. You guys act extremely racist outside of /b/ and /pol/ saying N word and spamming that tech support shit.

they ban for shit if you actually report it
most people don't report which is why it stays up
they also ban people for dumb petty reports too because the jannies are retarded

>>106868752
>but Prime95 large FFTs crashes after about 10 minutes
all i got when attempting >1900 FCLK on a 5800X was endless WHEA errors and slowdowns, no crashes
that could be something else, do you have a working config at 3733 or 3800?
>Current settings: SoC 1.125 V, VDDP 0.95 V, VDDG CCD 0.95 V, VDDG IOD 1.05 V
VDDGs are looking pretty locked in, i wouldn't go any higher than 1.1 V on either of them
you can try higher SOC, up to 1.2 V
>What sequence are you supposed to follow when you're doing a fabric OC?
the bible
fabric overclocking is the most annoying part of AMD tuning

>>106868644
>>106868699
Just my opinion but IMO spamming a stupid pasta for lulz is nowhere near as pathetic as deciding to dedicate a significant portion of your freetime to impersonating a schizo who quit the thread for no real reason or benefit. Pic related is the backstory of the new nvidiot spammer who posts the wojacks and shit, that's why he uses gamegpu and everything he is LARPing as the DLSS Schizo (Rest in Piss). All his posts are in 0 good faith and pure trolling but the mod doesn't give a fuck and I haven't seen him banned or his posts deleted once.

>>106868821
>saying N word
Slavs like me who grew up with GTA San Andreas as kids in the mid-late 2000s are honorary niggas. When my peers and I learned some English in school, we went home and developed it further listening to CJ's dialogue with his homies, so for a little while we all spoke English like we were from the hood.

>>106868888
as an actual black person, shut the fuck up retard

>>106868888
waste of perfectly good quads

>>106868888
I didn't know slavs even played san andreas. i thought you all played counter strike or dota.

>>106869031
I did play CS (1.6) and I knew a guy who played DOTA (for WC3). That was years before CSGO and DOTA2 came out.

>>106868283
I guess I misunderstood how DXVK worked. I understand different APIs having different performance, abilities, etc, but I assumed it wasn't so sophisticated and just wrapped up DX dlls and presented them with Vulkan. That's pretty intredasting actually

>>106868286
it's something about flip presentation model, at least if you're in windows. It's fucked up for a lot of titles

>>106868880
Yep, I have a working one at FCLK 1800. It's just set to all voltages but it works. However weirdly enough Gigabyte Aorus B550 puts 1.2V SoC and 1V VDDP when I'm using XMP but it ran P95 fine for days. At 1900, I have to reset my CMOS. I read that there's a hole at 1900 so I figure I just slam 2000 and see what happens and that's where I am.
> the bible
Is it the OC guide on GitHub? I skimmed it but it doesn't say the exact order of operation, just provides some guidelines to what to try. I'm also going off what I can find through Reddit and OC forums.
I guess I'll try upping VDDP CCD incrementally to see if that helps but my God, this process looks painful.

>>106869159
>However weirdly enough Gigabyte Aorus B550 puts 1.2V SoC and 1V VDDP when I'm using XMP but it ran P95 fine for days
you have a very similar setup to what i used to run, that board also pushed 1.2 V on auto
you can try the OCCT CPU+RAM test and it should start spitting out WHEA errors almost immediately at 2000 FCLK
>At 1900, I have to reset my CMOS. I read that there's a hole at 1900 so I figure I just slam 2000 and see what happens and that's where I am
if you have the 1900 FCLK hole you aren't getting 2000 FCLK
from what i know the way AM4 works is that the fabric goes into a different error correction mode above 1900, so it will boot but it will never be fully stable
so, if you can't do 1900 stable you can't do 2000 either
>Is it the OC guide on GitHub?
i was joking, i meant the actual bible lmao
you need to pray

i would aim for a nice 1866 FCLK setup instead
your voltages look good so i would keep those as is
focus on your memory timings, they're more important than fabric speed

>>106868881
My posts are all 100% serious, thoughtful, and lacking any irony. My posts are created solely to help new pc buyers avoid the amd snake oil trap.

>106869375
The fact your referencing that crazy userbenchmark ramblings tier intel presentation from a few years ago gives away ur just here to troll. Might as well start posting images from that. Would be funnier than the benchmark spamming.
Kys

I built my pc early 2022, i'm beginning to think about upgrading it slowly starting this black friday

AMD Ryzen 5 5600X (12) @ 4.65 GHz
AMD Radeon RX 6600 [Discrete]
16GB RAM (2x8)
1TB nvme2
Stock CPU cooler
only 4/6 fan slots used (2/3 intakes front, 1/2 exhaust in the ceiling, 1/1 exhaust in the back)

Where should i start? my first instinct would be more RAM but i'm not sure about it.
Keep in mind i'm a thirdie and probably can only afford one upgrade at once
Thanks in advance

>>106866894 (OP)
>Lian Li A
>XT M3
dammit I can't decide
yes i need SFF I got zero space

>>106869524
What do you want out of your use? RAM is a cheap easy upgrade, you can get used DDR4 3600 32GB for $50 on ebay. 2x32 is still expensive. Personally I would get a 4TB second SSD and only use the first drive for my OS. If you didn't miss the boat on a 5800X3D, I would have said that. I paid $300 for one in 2022 and now they're selling used for $380. PC parts are retarded for years now.

>>106869524
If you're still at 1080p 16gb ram will last you a little while longer. If not, ram would be the easiest upgrade. Wouldn't invest more into am4 other than if you can score a cheap 5700/5800 x3d. All you really need to save towards is a gpu as the 5600x will last you till am6.

>>106869550
A rainbow flag is cheaper.

>>106869215
I cancelled my P95 and started OCCT, so far no issues.
I recently switched to Ubuntu so I have no idea what the WHEA equivalent is but it looks promising!
>fabric goes into a different error correction mode above 1900, so it will boot but it will never be fully stable
>so, if you can't do 1900 stable you can't do 2000 either
I'll have to do more research on that, I didn't know that there's an error correction mode built into the fabric. AMD Jesus please bless my chip.

>>106869619
>I cancelled my P95 and started OCCT, so far no issues
interesting that it's not showing any errors, but why do you have boost disabled?
>I recently switched to Ubuntu so I have no idea what the WHEA equivalent is but it looks promising!
errors show up as "machine check exception" in the kernel log
you can search for those with "journalctl --dmesg --grep=mce"
>I'll have to do more research on that
that's what i've heard from others and it matches my own experiences as well
my 5800X also had the FCLK hole and anything above 1866 FCLK was hopeless, no matter how hard you tried
a chip that can do 2000 FCLK without any WHEA errors or performance loss is very, very rare

>>106869619
>>106869648
actually, are you running OCCT on linux? i don't think it's gonna show any errors in that case
if you have a windows dual boot set up i would do stress testing on that
if you don't have that i would check the kernel log like i mentioned

core reactor ii 850w is S tier right

Should I be worried the boot drive is 63 degrees hot? Drive has its own heat sink by the way.

What causes this

>>106869755
Technically the 2023 version is S, and the 2024 VE revision is A but it's a good model/seriesregardless:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/edit?gid=1973454078#gid=1973454078

>>106869805
holy shit man
between vita gm 850 vs core reactor ii 850w
which one is better

>>106869558
>>106869574
i'm on a 2560x1080 ultrawide. i mostly do gaming and digital art with some light video editing.
i make ~400usd per month, a 5800X3D us running just over 500usd on my country, probably not worth it right now.
when drawing with big engine brushes my program stutters, not sure if this a cpu, gpu, or ram issue.

>>106869672
Damn it, system crashed... knew I spoke too soon. Kernel log shows L3/gen, mem/io error.
Trying again with 0.990 VDDG CCD. If this crashes, I’m just dropping to 1866 or 1833.
>why do you have boost disabled?
Aren't you supposed to disable PBO when testing for FCLK baseline?

>>106868430
don't forget to test the power button itself, try bridging the two motherboard pins the switch plugs into. If it still doesn't turn on it's not the switch.

>>106869829
Core Reactor II.

>>106869903
thx bro
it has 10yrs warranty
which is insane lol

>>106869877
>Kernel log shows L3/gen, mem/io error
yeah i think that would be the same as the infamous WHEA 19 error in windows
sorry to say but 2000 FCLK is probably not happening
>If this crashes, I’m just dropping to 1866 or 1833
1866 should be no problem at all
>Aren't you supposed to disable PBO when testing for FCLK baseline?
sure but your system isn't even boosting past the stock base clock
it might be some weirdness related to the high FCLK but i would watch out for that, 5950X should go up to almost 5ghz

>>106866894 (OP)
Switching from an AMD to an NVidia GPU.
Any info I should be aware of? Any software related things to be concerned about?

>>106869910
Many of the higher-end quality units these days have 10-year warranties. This 850W model from Montech (built by CWT) tends to be my go-to recommendation because it has a 10-YR warranty but is still inexpensive ($85):
https://www.newegg.com/montech-atx-850-w-80-plus-gold-certified-power-supply-silver-century-ii-850/p/N82E16817959008?item=N82E16817959008
The Seasonic Vertex and higher series also have 10-YR warranties as well as Thermaltake/MSI off the top of my head.
Mid-tier PSU tends to be 5-7 year, and super budget ones 3 years.

Bought new monitor and it has this. Looks like a hair. Worth even messing with?

Im the anon with the 9800X3D and Asus B650E-E from last night, swapped out the board and CPU for new ones, still having the same problem, green light on the boot led. I can try to order more RAM, micro center was out of the 6000 cl30 that I got for this build. I am at a loss, going to try swapping out the RAM as a last ditch.

>>106869974
Meant to ask, should it go into BIOS before or after memory training? I will leave it on for an hour and keep you guys posted.

>>106869970
send that shit back
i'm ok with one or 2 dead pixels on the edges, but thats unacceptable

>>106869974
>>106869984
You can't go into UEFI before memory finishes training.
Man you are unlucky.

>>106870004
Will do

>>106870004
indeed
i got immediate replacement for just one (very visible) pixel burn in the mid of the screen

>>106869970
>chinese factory worker hair stuck under your screen
disgusting

It's here. Only one piece of exodia left to collect.

>>106870063
Indeed. There was also a "this monitor passed QC" sticker on it. MFs didn't even turn that shit on

>>106869974
its a weird mobile gamer cope. i dont even know why they're here. wuwa is not phone friendly. they want you to play on pc.

>>106869375
He's jewish, I don't trust them after what they did to the little kids.

>>106869974
just put in 1 stick in the correct slot and leave it for 2 hours

>>106870263
Sounds insane. I will try that soon after I wait the full hour. Other than that, I can overnight some new sticks from Amazon. If that doesn't fix it, I'll go back to AM4.

I am so glad the rainbow vomit era is crashing and burning.

2 hours is retarded

check all cables

double check you're not shorting the motherboard when you screw it into your case or using a dumb motherboard i/o shield, for safety boot it on the box itself

look at what post leds are telling you

Okay I finally got to BIOS. Fucking PEBKAC strikes again.

>>106867004
it took 7 days to replace my dead 9800x3d. from first email to opening the replacement box I got delivered. I had PBO enabled too. also live in Canada. overnight delivery to Miami probably isn't cheap but it's what AMD used.

>>106870394
I keep saying it but AMD needs to include a DAMN progress bar or some kinda on-screen text prompt on their systems if they're gonna be memory training on fist boot for as long they let them so.

>>106870409
>I had PBO enabled too
Should I not do this? What does it even do?

>>106867004
"It's okay when AMD do it"

>>106870426
AM5 CPUs already need a shitload of power just to get them to even boot PBO adds even more power but for everything instead

>>106870417
I'm no expert, but I've built 3 AMD systems... 5600x, 5700x3d and my main PC, 9800x3d. So, 2 DDR4 and 1 DDR5. Memory training never took more than a couple minutes.

I will admit... and it's every time... I forget about memory training and am JUST about to start worrying something went wrong, and it goes into bios.

>>106870417

well there used to be stickers before but apparently all boot issues were fixed on 9000 series so AMD fans tell me and boot times are super quick too now not the 60+ seconds they used to take

>>106870417
They should do that, but i should have checked which port i plugged my display cable into. The original mobo was probably fine.

When the fuck is the Aorus fO27Q5P coming to NA? I'm about to just say fuck it an buy the MSI equivalent.

I did a bad thing, can you guys forgive me?

>>106870505
>>106866915
>PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

>>106870505
some people bought their 5070ti for that price at launch

>>106870516
the 5090 with a blown cap was a zotACK!!!!

>>106870516
Noise won't bother me I don't sit at my desk and I always wear headphones. The rest I guess we'll see. I looked around and saw a lot of positive reports about pny, hoping they are a hidden gem.

>>106870521
Was it really that much at launch? Fug, how much were the other cards overpriced?

>>106870505
Why not cancel that order and get it at Amazon for $20 less to offset the taxes (or see if Best Buy will price match and credit you the difference off your CC)?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DTJDR3V9

>>106870446
Sounds like you need memory training :^)

>>106870541
Eh, you get what you pay for

>>106870564
Nice but it won't deliver until the end of the month and I was hoping to build next weekend or the week after. But I'll see if best buy will price match, not sure they will since technically it might be a different version mine doesn't have the rgb. Appreciate the notice though, I have 2 months to return it and price match. Was planning on watching for deals through black friday and hopefully snagging a discount or maybe a better brand. The asus primes were the same price a week or two ago but they all sold out. :(

>>106870010
I had it plugged into the wrong display port the whole time.

>>106870547
4090s were selling for above MSRP at the time
that is not a typo

>>106870564
Just checked and I see amazon has primes back at 999 too but everything is delivering at the end of the month or next month. Guess they are restocking for black friday.

>>106870583
You plugged it into DP input?
At least it's working.
Now install Gentoo.

>>106870593
If I have the opportunity to switch to a prime would it be a good idea? Both cards seem to have good reviews, but I feel like I've heard a lot of bad things about asus warranties.

>>106870598
which card has better vrm and cooler?

>>106870547
>Was it really that much at launch?
Pretty much depending on the model:
https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B0DTRC7782?context=search

>Fug, how much were the other cards overpriced?
5070 was about $100 over for a bit (couldn't scalp as much because of the 12GB of VRAM):
https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B0DYGDT9YD?context=search
5090s would go for $3K:
https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B0DT7L98J1?context=search

>>106870573
QOTD

>>106870615
Couldn't find anything on vrm but google and reddit are saying the pny has a bigger cooler. Guess I'll stick with it and just try to price match a discount if it goes down next month.

Anybody got a decent mid-range CAD workstation build to recommend? Specifically Solidworks, I'd like to be able to run simulations. I can find info on gaymen peesees all day but workstation shit gets expensive fast. I know the top end of the market is geared towards AI shit, so how much do I really need?

>>106870685
Arrow Lake

>>106864501
>>106864518
Selling my 5090 and buying a good gpu, tired of getting scammed by team green.

For the paper clip test, all the pics I see have the 24 pin having a -12v pin, mine doesn't. That's the second pin from the top left (pin #14 I believe, 2 off of the "green")
Does that matter at all for the paper clip test? Like I still put the clip into 16 and 17?
Also, the connector, on the PSU end has TWO different things to plug into the PSU from the mother board. The m end is the standard 24, the PSU end has two separate things from the 24, so I plug in both for the test?
I just wanna make sure I'm doing this right.
If I hear the tiniest "bzzt", extremely faint, would that mean it's a capacitor issue? I'm pretty certain it's only my PSU that's messed up but a part of me is terrified everything is fried. I tried the paper clip test already and nothing happened but I'm just trying to make sure. Sorry this probably sounds so confusing, I'm not great at explaining.

>>106870685
https://www.solidworks.com/support/hardware-certification/
tl;dr: you want an AMD, Intel, Nvidia GPU

>>106870727
bzzt is coil whine, it's not something to worry about, if the noise bothers you, you can ask for a replacement
is your computer not turning on?

How much does OC'ing a gpu degrade it over time? For example if it would normally last 10 years, if I am pumping it for all it's worth would it go down to 5 or something?

>>106870698
coping tranny mad nobody responded to his garbage

>>106870752
It really depends on how hot it gets. You can overclock a GPU and undervolt it at the same time, go faster and run cooler.

>>106870752
Overclocking on it's own doesn't do anything. If you increase the voltage then you shorten the lifespan.

>>106870764
AMD is just better at modern AAA games. That's not cope it's a fact. In most games they are dominating the competition, sure the 5090 was a meme but the charts don't lie. Everything else just isn't there because of bad drivers or some reason.

>>106870775
the 9070XT loses in the top game of the year BF6, AMD tranny is seething

>>106870786
>the top game of the year BF6
Funny way to spell silksong but ok.

>>106870746
Yeah nothing turns on whatsoever. I asked earlier and followed the advice of testing to make sure at least it wasn't the power button being an issue (my old PC I needed to use a screwdriver to bridge the connection so I knew how to do that). And I didn't really want to get an old PSU to test it all out.
I'm pretty sure the PSU is just dead, which is crazy cause it's a Corsair rm1000x, and it's barely a year old. Nothing should be wrong with the input of power from the outlet or surge protector. I've tried all different things regarding that. I had the knob turned to "auto" or whatever, so it should have been doing its thing at the proper rates. I don't even know how this thing could have died. It was stormy here, but literally nothing else went out, and the PC was plugged into a surge protector. It's possible something with the storm tripped literally only my PC and fried the PSU but I don't know how that'd be possible. I've tried discharging the electricity in the PC, and trying, but again nothing. My friend mentioned the capacitor thing. I hear the slightest electricity sound you can possibly imagine, just for .1 seconds when I press the power button (and even then only after unplugging and replugging and stuff)
I'm just praying it's only my PSU. I'm heading to beat buy tomorrow to grab another one, and I'll see if I can be reimbursed by sending the old psu in, I still have a 10 year warranty.

>>106870752
They don't degrade much faster until you pump the volts which you can't easily do since they're all voltage locked

>>106870752
GPUs don't allow you to run unsafe OC settings anymore

>>106870790
you are transgender, AMD simply loses on average

>>106870752
it's all good until some cap goes POP

I simply do not believe AM5 is a stable socket. CPUs do not just explode for no reason.

>>106870732
Think a 2000 ADA would be a good choice?

>>106870802
They technically do. You can set the boost clock to a unstable value. Under normal circumstances the GPU will crash the system or reset the driver but let's say you got a shitty board with weak vrms and you play something like Amazons MMO that ran its UI at uncapped fps suddenly you got a GPU that blows a cap.

>>106870685
Solidworks simulations scale with clockspeed and then core count:
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-9-9950x3d/28.html
So probably something like this based around the 9950X if you want a future upgrade path.

>>106870844
They didn't have issues with Zen 4. (Except the time Asus overvolted the shit out of cpus and boiled the 3D cache)

>>106870848
Seems kind of low end, it's only as powerful as $100 used cards

>>106870854
Actionable info, thanks anon. Think an RX 2000 Ada would be a good match for this? I was also thinking about just using a 5070 Ti but I haven't built a rig in nearly 15 years so things done changed...

>>106870844
it's clearly a physical design issue with the socket or power delivery system because otherwise AMD would have come out with a root cause analysis at this point
>>106870856
those exploded in the same way, setting a 1.3V SOC cap didn't accomplish anything
it's possible they need to go even lower but at that point a lot of people aren't gonna be able to run DDR5-6000 anymore

>>106870865
DDR5 6000 isn't even officially supported on AM5.
Too bad they advertise it as "go to" spec.

when you see this shit it's hard to justify getting anything else

but what the hell is going on here

When a gpu is sold as an OC version does that actually mean anything or is it just bullshit to make it seem better? Do they overclock more than non oc cards or what?

>>106870864
>Actionable info, thanks anon. Think an RX 2000 Ada would be a good match for this? I was also thinking about just using a 5070 Ti but I haven't built a rig in nearly 15 years so things done changed...
Forgot the PCPP link for you to save/edit, sorry: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hh2qjn
Also I got nothing for professional cards' peformance in relation to consumer cards in workstation workloads which is why I left the GPU section out in >>106870854. I will say I went VERY overkill for the mobo because I was unsure of how expansive the featureset for this WS system needed to be. Also AMD did some fuckery with the AM5 socket, see this (picrel):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0axuzyN_1s
You can swap the mobo for this one for a bit less if it still meets your requirements (check its specs):
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/N9XV3C/gigabyte-x670-gaming-x-ax-v2-atx-am5-motherboard-x670-gaming-x-ax-v2

And if you just plan to add a few USB devices, only 1/2 PCIe cards, and call it a day this is all you need to run the 9950X at full tilt:
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/CvcgXL/gigabyte-b650-eagle-ax-atx-am5-motherboard-b650-eagle-ax

>>106870930
it's a complete meme they know people will buy the OC/SOC/XOC models

>>106870918
When you see the price it's very easy to pick something else.

>>106870953
Tell MSI that

>>106870949
He will be fine with a consumer card, no need to pay the Quadro tax.

>>106870959
Who's that

>>106870752
Things are locked down enough on Nvidia since I think Maxwell and amd since rdna2(? don't know if anybody ever found a way to unlock things on 3) that it's basically impossible to damage the gpu through an oc.
With Nvidia at least from the xx70 onwards there's not too many real world gains from an oc, especially this gen they pushed things way past a most effecient point so that things weren't tied/slower than the last gen super cards in every other game.
>>106870786
no stop benchmarks are schizo now

How good is msi pbo? Is it safe to use? I have a 850 tomahawk board. But the last thread was talking about it and saying some boards pbo settings are bad and can fry your cpu.

>>106870795
>>106870727
I should now mention, upon closer listen, I hear a faint click noise too when I test with the paper clip, a click when I turn it on, and if I fiddle with the paper clip.

Which one is better? How do I know if I have the option to do the first one?

>>106871060
There is a button on the back that switches the fan from "always on" to "only on when the psu gets hot"

Anyone here tried mgpu on a current gen nvidia gpu that isn't the 5090?

>>106871077
Both are bad.
You want to run your pump at high speed and fans at low speed. Just plug them into your board.

Does a program like fancontrol overwrite bios settings? If I'm going to use fancontrol can I completely ignore fan settings in my bios?

>A little over a year ago build my first PC, biggest purchase of my life
>Buy a 1TB SSD for games and a 1TB HDD for files
>Wonder why my PC has always been so fucking slow at startup
>I think we installed Win10 on the HDD instead of SSD by accident
What the fuck do I do without losing all my files? I don't have the means to backup all of it

>>106871117
it overrides not overwrites
bios settings will stay the same

>>106871117
Just use your bios. No it doesn't overwrite your bios settings if you do want to use bloatware.

>>106871132
buy a 2tb ssd
you move files to hdd
disconnect hdd
install OS on ssd

>>106871117
For me it doesn't apply until I open fan control, before that it's bios settings.
Fan control kind of sucks ass though, just use the bios + afterburner unless you've got some weird usecase

I just upgraded from a 3060 to a 9070 XT but now in some games I'm bottlenecked by the CPU.
I'm currently using the i5 13400 and 32GB of DDR4.
I considered to change the whole platform to AM5 but then I'll also have to replace motherboard and ram and that can be really expensive.
So should I just upgrade to a better 13th/14th gen Intel chip or should I just save up some more for AM5? And which CPU should I upgrade to?

Specs:
OS: Windows 11
Motherboard: Asrock B760M Pro RS/D4
CPU: i5 13400
Ram: 32GB DDR4 @3200mhz
GPU: RX 9070 XT
PSU: Asus TUF 750W

>>106871132
A new 1tb HDD is 25 bucks. You can get a used enterprise 12tb for 80.

>>106871163
what games are you even getting bottlenecked in

>>106871147
Ok, I've never used any sort of bios or fan settings before. My 12 year old pc didn't need it. Most of the fans don't even spin anymore lol. I'll do that but I feel like I've seen afterburner before and it was a confusing mess of tons of menus that didn't make sense.
Going to take this one step at a time, I suspect I'll be asking a lot of questions during and after my build.

>>106871147
Oh forgot to ask but what is afterburner for that the bios can't do?

>>106871163
Just overclock your ram and tighten timings. You gain like 1-2 generations worth of cpu performance.

>>106871163
I would look to see if they solved the degradation issue and 9800X3D.

>>106871163
And increase your cpu power limit, maybe it's set to 65W or something

>>106871168
Helldivers 2, Cyberpunk 2077, Oblivion remaster (this is the worst one, at times the CPU usage spike to around 90% and GPU usage dropped to around 40% and the whole game stutters to being unplayable)

>>106871191
Increase cpu power limit, overclock ram and tighten timings.

>>106870505
fuck you, thats what I paid for my 5070ti because the tax in my hell of a country was 200 usd

>>106871206
Aight, thanks. I'll try that tonight.

>>106871211
>the tax in my hell of a country was 200 usd
I am genuinely sorry fren, wish everything was fair. Hope things get better for your country soon.

>>106869805
NTA, I'm running a seasonic prime platinum 860w I picked up back in 2017. Thinking about upgrading from my old Vega 64 but I don't have any 12HPWR cables, but I do know that it's not used by every aftermarket card. Should I just replace the thing anyways? I'm not sure if it can handle the transients from these fucking new powerhog GPUs.

https://seasonic.com/product/platinum-series/ for reference

I am noticing I am infected with the Underdog Syndrome. I want to buy Intel now purely because they are the one falling behind, a desire to rationalize and justify their unique advantages over their competitors (including price). If their next two desktop generations are able to turn the ship around there's a non-zero chance I will end up with an Intel CPU again on the 3rd generation from now when its time for an upgrade. I remember the Intel in the first PC I had with my own money; an i5-3570k. Such a long time ago.

>>106871191
In oblivion it doesn't matter what you upgrade to there's just not a single processor that can actually hold 60fps in the overworld.
As to an upgrade, if you have a z690 or z790 I'd start looking for 14700k 14900k discounts. I would say 14600k because even that would be a really good jump in most games (and everything else) but it would be weird going from an i5 to an i5 in basically the same generation so...
Wouldn't bother with a new platform when nova lake and am6 aren't too far off.
>>106871174
gpu fans. Also your undervolt

>>106871229
its alright anon, the corrupt government will definitely use those taxes for the good of the people
honestly, it could've been worse, its only the gpu and cpu that were taxed to hell, everything else came out a bit cheaper than msrp with tax
I think I paid maybe 150 dollars more than if I lived in burgerland and had a micro shitter near me
so count your blessings, hope your gpu doesn't fail on you

>>106866894 (OP)
I've got all the parts for my computer except the GPU. I don't really give a shit about AAAs, and I only made a new build so I could get a 7800x3d to run EU5 and other sims/systems games from my 9 year old dogshit bargain bin build. I also like to pump up the FPS to match my 1440p 180hz monitor in comp shooters.

Right now I'm leaning towards a cheapo 9060XT to go with that, considering GPU heavy games aren't really my thing. However, I am looking forward to true AAA slop paragon GTA6 that is several years out on PC presumably. Would it be worthwhile to eat the extra 300+ for a 9070XT hoping it would last me till then? Is my initial idea to just get by and save some some money by waiting for a new gen GPU that smokes the 9070 dumb? I am working on the unfounded assumption that next gen consoles are gonna have heftier GPUs and I'll regret going in on a higher end card now when the GPU heavy game I actually want to play comes out.

>>106871297
>so count your blessings, hope your gpu doesn't fail on you
Me too, I'm still questioning my sanity spending a thousand dollars on a tiny piece of mostly plastic. My entire current build only cost me about 800 dollars back in the day. Yet now just a graphics card can be more than a whole pc. It's nuts.

>>106871297
forgot to mention, the cheapest 5080 were 1800+ usd
I legit have no clue why, the base price is 1500 and tax was 300
the 5090 is 3000 usd here...

>>106871302
You press the upscaling button and your 9060XT will likely run GTA6 to an acceptable standard. The only question is whether your upscaling button will be colored red or green.

anons ,should i build a 9070xt pc in january (q1 2026) or wait for the rdna5 release in q1 2027 ?

>>106871380
you need the be the one who decides if you want to wait a year or not anon

>>106871385
my massive issue is , i have an rtx 2060 laptop and i bought my cpu cooler (pretor 130) ram and 3 ssd sticks , all of a sudden inner me told to buy an asus strix 4070 laptop and wait for another year then build your pc with rdna 5 but idk if waiting for it to be released and +6 months for it to cool down to msrp will worth it the numbers are promising anon if the rumors are true

>>106871427
how about buy 5070 ti super instead

>>106871430
a 5070ti laptop is more expensive than a 9070xt desktop setup thus less performance yield , i dont want to deal with laptops anymore back when i was a student it was kinda better since we didnt have good performing SFF builds

>>106871427
You bought a new cooler and storage for a desktop you don't have?

>>106871442
so build a pc with it??

>>106871445
yes anon i bought the parts when i saw them on sale i have my build plan im just waiting for the zen 5 refresh so i can grab something like a 9700x3d

>>106871446
why would i pay 250 usd more to get 5 fps more on average at 2k ?

>>106871468
you've used nvidia features on laptop havent you

Use this picture for next OP.
My gpu heatsink modification has gone terribly wrong.

>>106871471
2060 mobile offers you nothing , ray tracing renders the games unplayable , and dlss is a joke , only fsr3 works well but still i cant play space marine at 30fps

>>106871500
how is fsr3 better than dlss

>>106869844
>when drawing with big engine brushes my program stutters
Most drawing programs are cpu bound and tend towards single core, especially for basic stuff like drawing. You can check cpu and ram usage to make sure. That's a pain to upgrade though since you need a new Mobo and ram too.

>>106871500
The 9070xt is a great card, you need to ignore the Nvidia shills sometimes.

Should I get a small sata ssd for pictures and other random crap that I access often? I didn't think about it and just got two m.2's for storage. But I've got a lot of random pics and other garbage that i semi use. Not sure if sticking that on the nvme that I was planning on running my games from would be the best idea for the long term.

>>106871526
indeed anon , that wasnt even the point , my main question was should i build a 9070xt in q1 2026 or wait for the rdna5 release

>>106871482
what were you trying to do? deshrouding?

>>106871584
I was fitting a novideo heatsink on an amd card because I want working drivers. I was trying to be gentle with a hacksaw but in the end I still had to bring out the angle grinder.

This seems like a good deal, should I go for it?

>>106871659
typically popular ssds like samsung 980 are cheap enough that theres no reason not to buy those

>>106871659
If you like Phison E21T go for it.

>>106871666
But it's almost twice as much.
>>106871674
Don't know what that is, I just need a cheap place to store pics and other non essential stuff. Figured a 1-2tb drive would do it. Would like to spend less than a hundred dollars.

>>106871679
wait for sales period and buy of those top 3 most recommended nvme's
its prob like 130$ for 2tb

>>106871572
Wait UDNA or blackwell now, you'll wish you had parity with the next playstation like 3/4 years from now (if you keep the gpus that long of course)
RDNA is a joke

>>106871679
If you don't know what a controller is in the context of drives it makes 0 difference which one you buy.

>>106871886
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