Thread 106883553

>be Netherlands
>have a competent semiconductor industry
>China starts stealing from ASML, NXP and now Nexperia
>gubment forces China out of the latter
>entire country will be sanctioned up the rectum
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_Availability_Act_(Netherlands)
They're in quite a pickle, aren't they.

>>106883553 (OP)
Good, fuck China. The sooner the rest of the world kicks them out of everything, the better.

>>106883553 (OP)
NETHERLANDS MENTIONED

GEKOLONISEERD

>https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgk21nng0vo (""""""China-owned"""""")
>government takes an essentially-communist measure against a company for the first time ever
>China, a communist country, proceeds to be massively butt hurt
kek

>>106883654
>https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ckgk21nng0vo
>literally NATIONALisation
>somehow its communist
fyi nationalized companies is what made europe such a powerhouse.
yes, also under monarchy.
good luck conciliating that with communism

>>106883553 (OP)
nexperia was on the brink of collapse when china bought it

if anything they should be thankfull that they used their own know how to boost it

>>106883778
China almost collapsed it again according to legal findings.
>https://uitspraken.rechtspraak.nl/details?id=ECLI:NL:GHAMS:2025:2752
The Chinese CEO forced Nexperia to buy 200 million in wafers, only to destroy them later, in a way to keep other companies afloat. That's why they removed him. It's basically a conflict of interest problem. There's also the political issue of being on the US' Entity List due to movement between these Chinese companies. Zhang also removed three financial officers and replaced them by less critical people.

>>106883874
>that paragraph 2.23 to 2.26
Jesus, don't trust zhangs man

>>106883553 (OP)
>Nexperia is a semiconductor manufacturer headquartered in Nijmegen, the Netherlands. It is a subsidiary of Wingtech Technology, a Shanghai-listed company partially owned by the State-owned Assets Supervision and Administration Commission of the State Council.

Europeans will literally let foxes in the henhouse then get all shocked when all the chickens are dead

>>106883553 (OP)
based Netherlands

>>106883874
this is also how africa somehow had a 54% increase in chinese imports when the US stopped buying
china's just cooking the books

>>106883585
t. American

YOU NEED TO STOP CRYING YOU LITTLE NAZI RETARD

>>106883585
>DAILY REMINDER

>>106884077
>COPE

>>106884390
Still has a lack of guns in Taiwan, two more weeks?

>>106884382
>n-no, youre crying
wow. such butturt. much seethe
such is the power of chyna. i kneel lamao

>>106884412
NAZI UKRAINE STILL WINNING IN YOUR LITTLE RETARDED UNIVERSE, RIGHT?


LMAO

>>106884413
>I CAN HEAR YOU CRY EVEN FROM EUROPE RIGHT NOW

>>106884434
meanwile its europe that cucked you out of your investments
and you can do fuck all about that, only seethe on 4 chan
fukken kek
wow taiwan eta < 2weeks im fully convinced now

>>106883553 (OP)
If Trump ends up TACOing on BIS 50%/rare earths, it will be hilarious to see what the Netherlands do. Keep going alone or just pretend nothing happened and giving back the company? In any case, the trust is gone.

>>106884453
>trump is the president of netherlands

I have been telling you, it isn't just america who got tired of china bullshit. Europe is also starting to woke up. The new century of humiliation is coming fast.

>>106883553 (OP)
>entire country will be sanctioned up the rectum
It won't, because China can't sanction Netherlands. It could only sanction the whole EU, which it won't do. The slight noise they made is also irrelevant and they know it, and Europe knows it. The goal of that nationalization is simple and logical and doesn't bring into question trade with China as a whole, which they understand.

Only America does autistic shit like picking fights that are unnecessary or total. Failing empire and all that. The EU is only concerned with specifics, not the whole, since we don't see China as an enemy beyond mere economic competition.

>>106884434
>communism will win

>>106883553 (OP)
Crazy how such a small country like the Netherlands has such important tech companies ASML is more important for global tech than Google, Facebook, Microsoft, and Nvidia put together because all the latest chips can only be made using their machines.

>>106884469
Europe isn't interested in America's autistic fight against China.

>>106884469
>good morning, sweetie!

>>106884470
chyna wont sanction shit for a very simple reason:
rare earths- yes
but if not taiwan
and not US
then who the hell are they gonna sell their shit to, but europe?
fukken africa?

>>106884487
>who the hell are they gonna sell their shit to

>>106884482
And the Americans just gave the tech to the Dutch.

>>106884484
>delusional fascist Europe is interested in getting its as kicked

>>106884493
im not talking about the plastic dildos
im talking about the rare earths
these go into
a) magnets
b) semiconductors
c) metallurgy of specialist steel

this shit gets produced in:
rasha (they have their own rare earths)
taiwan
usa
and jewrope
maybe japan a little bit

>>106884487
It's more than just about selling stuff. The EU as a whole has only made it difficult to sell stuff that directly threatens the auto industry for instance, or in this case the Netherlands nationalized something of crucial importance. They aren't after sanctioning China as a whole or prohibiting them from selling their shit to Europe, and that makes all the difference. The Chinese themselves understand this. The EU isn't pursuing isolationist policies or trying to kneecap China because it makes no sense to do so. In Europe the issues with cars or other stuff are cause for self-reflection. Europeans realize they fucked up and admit it, but Americans blubber about how China "cheated them" so the situation is wholly different.

Europe is driven by logic while the US is driven by emotion.

>>106884512
the political tapestry is more complex
what youre seeing is the sum total of various lobbying forces within each region, respectively
but by the same token you can be sure no decisions are made based on emotions

>>106884506
This time it will be a millennium of humiliation, right?

>>106884506
I am more worried about mushrooms in the forest than I am about Russia. It's a dead country that has no future and poses no threat. It's too weak and it's on its way out.

>>106884503
>gave the tech to the Dutch.
No, the EUV tech was developed in the Netherlands and to a lesser degree Germany (Zeiss). The only "US tech" that's part of the EUV machine is the power source that is made by Cymer (owned by ASML). But that's like saying that all the Google's AI models are European because they are developed by Deepmind (UK company that was bought by Google).

>>106884524
>but by the same token you can be sure no decisions are made based on emotions
I've yet to see a single move by Trump and his cronies that is in any way logical or constructive. America isn't on par with Euro, Chinese or other countries' diplomacy or planning. It's more on par with Russia or Iran and as such its decisions are based on ephemeral nonsense and emotions.

>>106884482
Its because we Dutch are the purest white people.

>>106884526
Its the end of EU this time. Crazy times ahead!

>>106884548
tariffs are indeed logical and constructive
if they werent, why the rest of the world employs em too, but you dont call em emotional?

its just that hes terminally bad at implementing them
not to mention he does what his investors tell him to do
so there might be ul terior motives like temporarily manipulating prices of shares, or goods, for pump and dump type shenanigans

crypto is a good example for that
a couple years ago the us said they wanna make crypto illegal
prices dropped
then they went "uhhh, ackshually"
prices went up again

the old niggers wanted in but they cant be arsed to pull their fingers out of their ass so they influenced the economy with laws to have an easier buy-in
the only ones emotional about this shit are the electorate, i can assure you
emotions and money dont mix very well
if they were emotional cunts theyd all be bankrupt already

>>106884533
SWEETIE!

>>106884507
The onlz whos fucked is nazi U.S. shithole you can be sure of this.

>>106883553 (OP)
China is not a free market

>>106884588
>nato proxy war
that rasha does everything in its power to prolong, despite it being disastrous for the homefront

at the highest level theyre all friends
and it was abt the prices of electricity
more money has been made on price hikes than was spent on the war by both sides combined.
not that it matters, thats covered by the taxpayer anyways

heres a plot for bulk electicity prices
yet in the uk,for example, electricity costs 4x the price brefore the war
ejewcraine war is the biggest wealth transfer in the hiostory of mankind and both the west and the east are in on it
and this tribalistic mental retardation is what distracts from the actual issues:
>>106884588
>>106884533

>>106884588
I'm not a zoomer so your memes are wasted. Russia isn't surviving this, and its destruction is self-inflicted. It failed to become a modern democracy in the 90s and its fate was sealed back then, their war against Ukraine is just the final nail in the coffin. It will be interesting to see in which exact way it falls apart or turns into a dependency.

>>106884585
The basic point is Trump and MAGA don't know what they're doing, have little to do and any move they make backfires because the fundamentals of the US have been rotten for decades and his ideology only exasperated the issue and made it worse. In many ways America is just a buzzing mosquito which we all tolerate until winter comes and it dies on its own.

>>106884608
>FREE MARKET=A MARKET THAT IS OPEN FOR WESTERN IMPERIALIST LOOTING

>>106884585
It's not the president's job to dictate tariff policy in the first place.
This is normally a slow legislative process for a reason, companies need to know the tariffs months in advance to plan for it.

>>106884503
>And the Americans just gave the tech to the Dutch.
Just the light source and they paid a lot for it.

The Dutch expertise is vibration control and mechatronics. They were dominating scanners before EUV. The whole idea of doing wafer scanning at 0.1nm reproducibility is fucking insane. Americans had nothing remotely resembling ASML's scanner technology, they had already lost at that point. The light source is child's play in comparison.

>>106884616
SPARE ME YOUR DELUSIONAL BABBLE

>>106884631
>The basic point is Trump and MAGA don't know what they're doing
they know exactly what they re doing
in fact
theyre more or less the same people as those standing behind the dems
the only difference is the amount of trany porn you will find in children's books

>>106884493
>picrel
>trade surplus G$ 857
Everyone looks at this and goes, "oh my gosh! China is stealing our money!" But the other way to look at this is, "oh my gosh, China is loaning us all this money!"
They are giving the world more shit than we give them. They are doing it because they expect to be able to get shit that shit back in the future. But... we could just not give them the shit back?
That's why they're freaking out over capital controls like this case in the Netherlands. It's attacking the leverage they think they have to collect on their loans. They think they can just own all these foreign companies and collect the profits forever.
Every time one of those Chinese-owned companies goes bankrupt, or gets nationalized, they lose the money they loaned us. Every time we bury one of these Chinese companies in lawsuits for the illegal shit they inevitably do, they lose the money they loaned us. Every time they build some port or dam or whatever in some African shithole, and an anti-Chinese government gets elected that kicks their grifters out, they lose the money they loaned us.
And, as Russia learned the hard way, you can have T$ in "US dollars" in your banks, and then see all that money turn useless because the US refuses to allow you spend any of it. Sure, you can start money laundering it via proxy nations, but now your money is worth a fraction of the dollar due to the corruption tax.

>>106884643
Russia imports gasoline now. Sanctions worked very well.

>>106884636
*shrug*
not my circus, not my monkeys
im just here on the sidelines nooticing pro bono for anyone willing to hear

>>106884645
Learn English or stop replying, I'm not interested in ESL nonsense.

>>106884651
>says NAFO

>>106884643
>noooo, stop nooticing
the electricity swindle amounts to ~5-10% of the gdp of all countries impacted by price hikes.
fyi energy costs are around 10% of western countries gdp.
in england these went up x4

>>106884469
Europe is americas slave, and has been ever since ww2. Your politicians are compromised. You should be ashamed of them, but instead you believe their be lmao

>>106884659
Are you Indian or is FSB employing children at this point?

>>106884648
They are doing it because Xi wants autarky for China and dependence for the west and is willing to keep wagies in China poor and working ridiculous hours to do it.

China could have had Japanese living standards by now, Xi chooses to keep its people poor. Median income is terrible, even while GDP is good.

>>106884697
>what is purchasing power
This forum is so funny. You guys get shills like this and believe their bullshit and then repeat it over and over.
Meanwhile, in reality, modern China has taken hundreds of millions out of poverty in a few decades.

>>106884767
Wow hundreds of millions. That are like single digit percent, who are not starving now.

>>106884767
>millions out of poverty in a few decades.
theyre still fucking poor
the big difference is that they get to eat poisoned plastic now.
so yeah, it is an upgrade, but not in the way youre framing it
wealth inequality was never worse than it is today

>>106884791
nono
its something like 30%
it is a rare chink w
...if anything coming from chyna is to be trusted...

>>106884791
>>106884801
Generally speaking, the Chinese were much poorer than they are now
Meanwhile, americans and europeons are getting poorer, while a few got really fucking rich.
The west is going back to slavery. And you faggots voted for that kek

>>106884808
Look at your phone and tel me, where did it come from? Lmao

>>106884382
>>106884390
>>106884352
>>106884404
>>106884430
>>106884434
>>106884632
1989 tiananmen square

>>106884453
china's rare earth export control threats affect the whole world, not just trump
this is the eu sending a message

>>106884821
>Look at your phone and tel me, where did it come from? Lmao
>implying i trust my phone
you should lurk more

>The west is going back to slavery.
whataboutism. also im ok with that
i always wanted to own wageslaves

>>106884821
Yes, 90% of them still living like in feudal times.
Now they don't but that doesn't mean that they are rich or something.

>>106884470
>>106884484
reminder that china is financing russia in the ukraine war

>>106883585
sorry but until the US government denounces israel and expels all jews and browns, im rooting for the chinese ethnostate.

>>106884862
actually
the west itself does
the jewcraine war is a fucking joke
its bread and circus for the low iq pleb slaves

>>106884493
>hong kong
how can china export to their own internal province

>>106884881
dont think about it
its one of the least retarded things that can be done to a gdp

>>106884899
whats the most retarded

>>106884837
>>implying i trust my phone
So you're tech illiterate. What are you doing here?

>you should lurk more
Lol, lmao even

>>106884859
Again, what is purchasing power? How many Chinese actually live in their own houses? How cheap are goods produced in China for the Chinese without the Jewish resellers getting fat profits?

>>106884906
circular financing?
in its simplest form: company a buys something from company b
company b then buys it back
gdp increased by the value of whats been bought/sold x2 without producing anything of value

>>106884913
>if you dont trust your phone youre a tech illiterate
i didnt know chinks are that fucking retarded
dont do criminal shit ever. youre gonna get caught for conspiracy to commit a crime before youll do anything

>>106884930
>>if you dont trust your phone youre a tech illiterate
Imagine being so illiterate that you misread shit this bad
Gtfo retard

>>106884493
>Poland: based trad cath bastion in EVROPA
>33 Billion dollar trade deficit
kek

>>106884953
>i was only pretending to be retarded
nono, its only your chink iq

>>106884957
>i have to a trade deficit with my local grocery store.

>>106884957
idk why youre seething at polanda, specifically, but its actually a zogged shithole

>>106883585
>t. Zach McFreedom

>>106883585
>>106883654
>>106883670
>>106883874
>>106884250
>it's bad if someone else does it
>but it's good when I do it
>/thread

>>106885281
power dynamics 101.
when you have your opponent on the ground
it is most suitable to tell him to stop defending himself or you will beat him even harder
then proceed to beat him even harder, regardless

>>106885281
>>it's bad if someone else does it
>>but it's good when I do it
this is literally what china does

>>106884835
The rest of the world is perfectly able to access those rare earths as long as they are willing to follow any demand from China to ensure that those rare earths are not redirected elsewhere.
Americans trying to make it a planetary issue is laughable.

Mymy is pleased

>>106884767
Their PPP median income is also shit, but that's not what I was talking about.

Their median-income/GDP-per-capita ratio is total shit. The wagies are not seeing the wealth their country is producing, they are working 80 hours a week just to scrape by so Xi can get more outsourced production to China.

>>106884382
Heil Hitler bunkercuck
>>106884684
He's a czech troon spamming on /pol/.

>>106884094
Literally this, who in the fuck allowed the Chinese state to essentially buy the entire thing? The West should be much more protective of its industries, especially as long as China is hellbent on creating a separate bloc against us.
>inb4 free market
China's market isn't free so they shouldn't have direct access to ours.

>>106884382
>>106884390
heh they're standing in a parking lot

>>106884463
It takes a particular mental illness to deny what is officially in court documents.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3329003/us-warned-dutch-months-ago-nexperia-ceo-must-go-avoid-entity-list-fallout-court
>US officials told their Dutch counterparts that the Chinese CEO of Nexperia “will have to be replaced” for the company to be exempt from Washington’s entity list, newly disclosed court documents show.

>>106885281
That's literally how countries that are not allied together work. Welcome to the real world.

>>106886853
this shit is obvious to everyone who knows how european politics works... except for MIGA retards that think their beloved leaders aren't corrupt bullies and slaves of israel

>>106886853
>https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3329003/us-warned-dutch-months-ago-nexperia-ceo-must-go-avoid-entity-list-fallout-court
>source: state approved chink newspepe
>behind a paywall so i cant even see if they linked said papers or not
youre gonna have to do better than that
post link to said papers

>>106883553 (OP)
fuck around, find out.
the dutch are never kidding around.

>the schizo chink/pol/ chimpout itt
implessive

>>106889220
>imprying fleedom

>>106884404
BRICS reserve currency is so fucking laughable because the entire basis of a reserve currency relies on them being trustworthy, say what you want about the USA but every one of the countries is 100x worse for transparency when it comes to financial bookkeeping

i worked at Nexperia for 7 years and i was there when the chinks took over with Wingtech

it was a fucking clown show
i even talked with the chink CEO, he was the usual clueless ccp droid

i left a while back, but i still have some friends left there
i talked to them today, and holy fuck, its even bigger of a clown show now compared to when i left

i didn't think that was possible

We have actual coordinated CCP shills on this board now?

>>106883654
china hasnt been communist since deng xiaoping

>>106883670
Nationalisation is literally communism. It’s more communism then higher taxes, women Ed’s or whatever other stuff you associate with “left”. Socialist countries just have every company be nationalised.

>>106889690
>I don't like people who have different opinions so I'll call them shills
you do know most people in the world hate americucks (and anglos in general), jews, and their puppets, right?

>>106891128
>most people in the world
citation needed. I don't like them both, but ccp are much worse than americunts.

Why can't US just nationalize Intel and pump it with money and competent personnel like Taiwan did with TSMC? You could do the same with Global Foundries as they have tons of talent but just lacked money to compete on latest nodes past 2020.
If US wanted to they could flip the semiconductor business on its head but they prefer being reliant on Taiwan forever. Nothing against Taiwan, they're pretty based, but I've thought the entire talking point of current administration was strengthening domestic industries? So where is it? They have the means. It would pay off long term, too. There are no downsides to this.

>>106891323
the problem with them is that they're retarded

>>106885477
hey eu, i dont like those trade barriers you put up against my EVs
sure would be ... unfortunate ... if i had to block any products containing at least 0.1% of MY rare earths from your markets

>>106885395
it's literally not lying jew

>>106889246
there's near

>>106884826
literally no one cares, pedophile trump president protecting his pedophile pals like clinton epstein obama

>>106886048
european and american markets aren't free either, sanctions, extreme regulation, tariff's and random seizures aren't a free market, state intervention is far worse in europe and the us than in China since the 00s

>>106884585
if you still believe trump believes in tariffs you're one of those miga retards, keep falling for it nigger

>>106884631
>Russia will fall apart in two weeks I swear!
lmao anon, NATO singlehandedly revived Russia, they were seriously stagnating before this, now they're a resilieny country proven to be able to grow in the midst of a total economic war from the west and the largest conflict in Europe since WWII

>>106891247
CCP isn't full of pedophiles

>>106891323
they already pumped like 200 billion, then fired the engineer CEO that was trying to do what you say and replaced him with a CEO hell bent in turning the books green, now they're starting nationalization policies with the stock acquired by the US government
they're all retarded and want solutions that will work out within a year or two, same as the tariffs that end up getting TACO'd every time

>>106884826
liberal reddit lore

>>106892013
kek this
It's clearly market manipulation to help his family and friends get rich.

>>106885695
Pretty much every exporter heavy economy has to crush the income of its citizens to stay viable.
China Japan and Germany all have various policies that suppress wages so it’s no surprise they are also the countries biggest on exports.

The china boys are in full damage control right now.
If y'all were winning, you wouldn't be Shilling in this shit hole

>>106883654
>>106883670
>www.bbc.com

>>106883553 (OP)
>China when the West Sanctions Russia
>Sanctions are bad they don't work
>China when Netherlands Copies what China does (stealing)
>WE ARE GOING TO SANCTION YOU

>>106892805
China's ratio is worse by far than Germany and Japan.

>>106891977
>extreme regulation
You mean like making sure your products don't literally blow up in your consumer's faces, Chang? You are right, we Westerners are so evil for caring about the safety of our people.

>>106892046
>NATO singlehandedly revived Russia
That makes sense since Putin is literally a CIA agent.