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Anonymous No.106904723 [Report] >>106904910 >>106904925 >>106905049 >>106905072 >>106905091 >>106905143 >>106906385 >>106906430 >>106906666 >>106906979 >>106910362
what is even the point of LTO when HDD are catching up in size?
Anonymous No.106904737 [Report] >>106904847 >>106904925
Cold storage for > 20 years
Lower $/tb after a few PB
Cheap to ship around the world

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Anonymous No.106904840 [Report]
Offline storage. Being light, portable, and resilient against damage is important for this. Sure, you could write and then pop out a bunch of hard drives, but they're far heavier with exposed circuitry and moving parts that are still shock-susceptible when powered down. Whereas a single tech can walk a case full of tapes from the library to the fire safe unassisted and with zero risk of incurring any damage or data loss.
Anonymous No.106904847 [Report]
>>106904737
oi pardner, you got a lie-sense for that weather forecast?
Anonymous No.106904910 [Report]
>>106904723 (OP)
Cost
Anonymous No.106904925 [Report]
>>106904723 (OP)
Different mediums are good for different purposes. As this other anon said, >>106904737 cold storage has different requirements in cost, access frequency and reliability.
Anonymous No.106905049 [Report]
>>106904723 (OP)
The point is the situation with a whole lot of tape. At home it is likely unattractive.

Also never bother with the lto compressed size, its fucking marketing bullshit. That up to 45TB drive is 18TB.
Anonymous No.106905072 [Report] >>106907794
>>106904723 (OP)

Predicable cost. We regularly backup 500-800TB of data and get requests for restores 4-5 times a month.

On the whole this stuff is never going to be touched again but if someone needs to check or reference something we have it and the restore cost if predictable (unlike cloud).

FML LTO10 just came out.
Anonymous No.106905091 [Report]
>>106904723 (OP)
There isn't a point. All the businesses using it are retarded and should just be spending millions of extra dollars on HDDs for their cold storage for no reason.
Anonymous No.106905143 [Report]
>>106904723 (OP)
Only movie/show production companies use this shit.
Anonymous No.106906385 [Report]
>>106904723 (OP)
Tapes are far more resilient
you don't want to lose your backups because some intern bumped the hard drive when putting it in storage
Anonymous No.106906430 [Report] >>106906645
>>106904723 (OP)
Data cartridges look sick as fuck. Imagine a hotswappable long term storage with read and write speeds almost as good as an SSD. Swap em like floppy disks
Anonymous No.106906645 [Report] >>106906967
>>106906430
the newest tapes might have fast read/write speeds, but you have to remember that access time is in MINUTES
Anonymous No.106906666 [Report] >>106907177
>>106904723 (OP)
>LTO-10 is 75TB
vs
biggest HDD which is 36TB, impossible to get, 5x higher price
Anonymous No.106906967 [Report] >>106907703
>>106906645
also the number of times you can reuse the tape is DOZENS
Anonymous No.106906979 [Report] >>106910563
>>106904723 (OP)
Never put all your eggs in the same basket, retard.
Anonymous No.106907177 [Report] >>106907804
>>106906666
>LTO-10 is 75TB
how much does the LTO-10 drive cost anon ?
Anonymous No.106907703 [Report]
>>106906967
I mean, 45TB is a lot. and I can stack 10 of them that's 450TB of long term storage if they offer reusable cartridge at SSD speeds and longevity, they'd corner the market. Besides, cartridge afre for aesthetically pleasing than CDs and SSD.
Anonymous No.106907794 [Report]
>>106905072
I've always wondered how the larger archivers are handling thin provisioning or if they even are. I've actually pulled several companies off of tape backup solutions in the last few years because with modern file systems you can transfer and manage retention of thin provisioned snapshots

The cost wound up being a lot lower even paying rsync.net's markups because there's no clean way to do that with tape short of having tapes of various differential dumps, and that makes pruning stale snapshots impossible without either sending extra data and having major periodic bookmarks, or sending extra data on full images periodically. It also means restores require combining all the iterative snapshots, which adds a lot of time.
Meanwhile in ZFS land it's as simple as
>zfs destroy (snapshot)
and it automatically does that for you in the background. Need a document that was deleted a month ago and a snapshot right before then happens to still be on the live server? You can fetch it in seconds. If the snapshot isn't on the live server, but an older one is, you can do a diff from that old snapshot to the one with the file and send it from the backup. Alternatively, just mount the backup read only and pull the file. At no point do you ever have to do a full restore unless you're actually doing a full restore, and at no point does a full restore require you to send 37 weekly diffs to reassemble because your last full backup was the turn of the year.

I'm not questioning the need for tape, but I've never gotten a straight answer for how complex retention policies are implemented beyond "wow that's going to be really expensive."
Anonymous No.106907804 [Report]
>>106907177
That's compressed. It's 40 uncompressed. If you're backup solution is sending precomprressed data (which it should be because bandwidth isn't infinite or free), you aren't getting 75.
Anonymous No.106910362 [Report]
>>106904723 (OP)
mdisc
Anonymous No.106910563 [Report]
>>106906979
Shes asking about tapes not eggs you fucking moron what are you the fucking Easter bunny