Thread 106906178

>buy Macbook Pro M4
>2 days later
>Apple starts selling Macbook Pros M5

I technically have 2 weeks to return it but I'm conflicted, shipping it back is a bit of a hassle and I'm not sure the upgrade is worth the effort.
Also waiting an extra week to get my hands on a new laptop is pretty annoying.

Buying a laptop without checking the year?
Consumers in the past ain’t this dumb before social media.

>>106906178 (OP)
Do they also cost similarly? If yes you are retarded if you dont return and buy the new one. You are gonna be using this for how many years? Just take the 2 week delay

do it, don't be a cuck

>>106906178 (OP)
It's just the base m5 chip chill

>>106906178 (OP)
iTODDLERS BTFO

>>106906217
They usually release the new models in the 2nd/3rd week of november and waiting more than a month for a laptop (that wasn't even announced yet) just wasn't feasible. There were also rumors about possible delays making it even harder to simply wait and hope.
Instead, both the announcement and release came earlier than expected.

>>106906232
>>106906272
I know it sounds like a no brainer but I got the M4 with a 400€ discount and I'm already behind schedule on a couple of projects.
So I'd have to fill all the forms, ship back the M4 at my expense, probably wait 1-2 weeks for the legal/payment procedures and pay 400 extra euros for the new model.
Meanwhile I'd have to put two clients on hold and hope I can find a colleague that's available to cover for me (surely not for free, he'd get the cash for next 1-2 weeks' worth of projects).

So it's a shitty deal short-term, I just wonder if it really makes sense in the long run. It sounds like the M5 is mostly an upgrade in terms of AI stuff (at least that's how it's marketed) but I already use my nvidia-powered desktop for local stuff, and the fact it's still unreleased means we don't have actual benchmarks to look at.

>>106906178 (OP)
Unless you're rendering stuff that requires bleeding edge power, chances are you won't notice a difference.

Alternate option you didn't consider: Return Pro M4. Repurchase reduced price Pro M4 off their refurbished store.

>>106906178 (OP)
The M5 is 45% faster than the M4, return it idiot.

>>106906178 (OP)
Just imagine if MacBooks supported windows, macOS being shit is a massive deal breaker

>>106906178 (OP)
If it's the base m4 and not the m4 pro chip then yes, return it. can't you go to an apple store?

>>106906577
>Repurchase reduced price Pro M4 off their refurbished store.
Yeah I already checked it, they don't have the 1tb model currently, at least here

>>106906633
Yeah but it would be ARM Windows. Windows 11 is shit in terms of user interface, and without the compatibility benefits of x86 Windows there's no point in using it.
Now if Windows 7 would run on ARM Macbooks and it had x86 emulation then maybe it would be worth taking the compatibility hit, assuming at least a web browser and a few useful programs were available native. But AFAIK there's no ARM build of Windows 7 in existence.

>>106906633
I would agree if Windows 11 wasn't also so bad.
If you regularly use both on comparable machines, chances are you'll prefer macos for tasks that are doable on both systems. I found it easier to come up with a comfier and more optimal workflow on mac because of UI/gestures/shortcuts alone, at this point I only really use Windows for Windows-exclusive software. Also as a media station because of my big ass monitors

>>106906178 (OP)
kys shill

>>106906596
No it's not. Stop lying

>>106906178 (OP)
Wait until M7 or M8. The upgrade is definitely not worth the effort

M5 is revolutionary

25% more M.

I got memed into buying a 15 in Macbook Air M2 brand new only 2 years ago.

>>106906178 (OP)
they are redesigning macbooks next year (2nm M6, OLED screens etc.)
just wait a year

>>106906178 (OP)
Who cares? This is your problem. /g/ is not here to be your shopping diary

>>106907605
>just wait a year
nigga I need to work and my previous laptop died

>>106907327
Is it?

>>106906470
>Meanwhile I'd have to put two clients on hold
is this your first computer? like you have nothing else at all?

>>106906178 (OP)
It's honestly kind of fucked how good macbooks are at being general purpose machines for basic programming, work, and school. MacOS genuinely just werks and their walled ecosystem is fucking slick once you're in it. I just wish other companies could match them on build quality, the last time I felt any real design inspiration from notebooks was fucking VAIO and they're long since irrelevant. That said if you want to do anything with the hardware Tim Apple doesn't want you to do, you're going to either have to pay some singular dude 10 bucks for a program that would otherwise be open source or freeware on Windows. Kind of annoying, and despite how top tier apple silicon is turning out to be, missing out on x86 along with native bootcamp compatibility fucking sucks. Relying on compatibility layers is annoying. Despite this the ideal setup feels something like
>iphone/macbook
>High end PC for fully efficient shitposting/gaming
>shit tier work laptop provided by your job and a KVM for your desktop

Blogpost aside, upgrade to the fucking M5. They'll likely honor your discount. My pops got us our first mac all in one system around 2008 after owning two vaio desktops, a gateway win95 system and a NEC PC in that order. They were just transitioning from the pic related to the silver ones that they ran with until very recently and they simply upgraded us to the new system for free.

>>106908412
take a sabbatical

>>106906178 (OP)
If you care about performance, then they haven't released the good M5s yet, the base M5 is worse than the M4 max
If you don't need the best possible performance then the improvement from the M5 is incremental and not critical. From apple's own marketing, it seems like the main point of this gen has been the ai unit, while the actual CPU provides marginal performance improvements. There is no reason to get a base M5 unless you really really need local ai on your macbook.

Wait for the M5 max, which it sounds like you can't, so just stick with the M4 then.

M5 improvements are centered around the GPU and memory bandwidth. If you do any AI shit like a local LLM the upgrade is huge but if you're not it's negligible.
From what you've said you urgently need a computer to work on and it makes no sense to return the M4 and buy the M5. I think you just have FOMO and want us to validate your decision to keep the M4. Honestly, your situation sounds like you hardly have a choice and must keep the M4 either way. If you're the type of person to think back on things all the time, maybe go through the effort of getting the M5 or you'll be constantly reminding yourself of not swapping when you could.

>>106906178 (OP)
I bought the m4 pro too a month ago all well knowing the new one was on its way. There is no reason to get the m5. You will always be behind sooner or later. Just enjoy your faptop. Only consider the m5 if you absolutely need more power

>>106910391
it's not easy buying something with the knowledge it's about to be replaced. i can't think of a time i bought something with no knowledge it was about to be replaced, that would naturally be more shocking.
since he got it at a discount, he won't be as cut up about it, he has stated already he'd have to pay more for the new one even if he returned it, so he just has to look at it like, if they were both an option, would he have still taken the M4? as if not, is the temptation worth the clock time and downtime of getting the M5? this is something that only op can answer, ultimately

>>106906178 (OP)
>buy Macbook Pro M4
No you didn't

>>106906633
the only software dealbreaker on macbooks is you cant use linux x86, imagine WANTING windows, holy fuck

>>106910634
linux arm is fine though?

>>106910588
Nobody is "replacing" the M4. This shit is a yearly refresh with minimal gains that exists purely to drive the yearly hype cycle.
This only matters in the rare cases where you see a revolutionary generational leap. This is not one of those cases.

>>106910680
imagine using asahi when you can have an actually working optimized macos

>>106910680
Not on macbooks, you have to buy an M1 and even then not everything works, M2 is half-baked and newer chips are getting support literally never

>>106906178 (OP)
Is that true the charger is sold separately? Please, tell me it's a joke, Apple bois can't be this retard.

>>106910701
>>106910735
I meant a VM if you really need linux on the laptop.

>>106910814
just in the EU, but its €100 less than previous model

>buy new model thinkpad for work
>one year later the fan starts loudly rattling, periodically
Fucking hell. I hate modern laptops, even business ones are this way now. And I cannot use an ancient one because I actually need to compile shit.
Are macs good for you?

>>106906178 (OP)
Remember, Apple tech rot means your current laptop will last a year as they intentionally slow it down to unusable. The convenience you have now will be negated by the inconvenience of having to buy the new version anyway in a year, and potentially running into this problem twice.

>>106911793
Just don't update it problem solved

>>106907605
Oled for a device that I leave on for many hours everyday usually on a static page is pretty dumb I prefer the current minileds

>>106906738
The GPU is supposedly 45% faster, but at best, and on ray tracing scenarios.
CPU gains is more modest, up to +15%.
Bigger stride on AI Tops probably.
Probably irrelevant for op.

>>106906178 (OP)
this is actually inaccurate because there is the macbook pro chassis (laptop body)
and
m5 pro (actual chip)

they are only selling the pro chassis with the basic chip which is fine for consumers but at that point just buy an m4 air no need for the extra ports or weight if your not getting the better gpu.

that's just the base chip op not the pro or max

>>106906178 (OP)
iTODDLERS BTFO

>>106910391
yea but its still the base m5. if anyone wanted it for llm they would wait for pro or max models

my brother works at apple, he told me to tell you to hold off until the M9 and it will be well worth the wait

>>106910634
windows is way way better than macOS lmao, let's be honest here and loonix is just pointless, imagine wanting an OS that doesn't even work.

>>106914255
>stealing tracking devices

>>106906178 (OP)
>buy Macbook
That was your first mistake.

>>106906178 (OP)
The devices themselves feel very nice, but mac os 26 (and the rest of the 26 operating systems) feel like vibecoded jeet slop. so that's the main thing that putting me off

>>106915061
I don't know if you were in a coma for the last 10 years, but windows 11 is shit. even compared to liquid ass

>>106911793
What?
I got a 2021 Pro M1 with Monterey. NEVER updated until this summer, out of fear of apple fuckery.
Skipped Sonoma and Ventura and went straight to Sequoia, fully expecting "upgrading" the system would fuck up my laptop beyond repair. But it was my last chance before Liquid Ass dropped, and I obviously didn't want it.

In the end it was a painless 20 minutes process and the OS is fucking snappier than it was before.
Been using it for a couple of months and it's noticeably faster, battery is also roughly the same.
I bet most people (including me up until this update) are still paranoid because of Steve Jobs-era iphones getting slower and reports of planned obsolescence, thinking it's genuinely their policy to fuck up your purchases.

>>106906178 (OP)
do it retard
I preordered a framework 16 it's not coming until november
might as well get the better laptop for the same damn price

>>106909278
are you trying to say that you absolutely have to use a mac for development?
Why not rent a mac in the cloud in the meantime?

>>106906178 (OP)
>buying pro with the base bitch cpu rather than the pro one
this is even more retarded than buying days before m5 drops
that being said, Tahoe is a stinker on a mac, I'm sticking with sonoma for a while

tldr return and buy m4 with the m4 pro chip, the one with tb5 ports

>>106907605
>they are redesigning macbooks next year (2nm M6, OLED screens etc.)
they're also supposedly making it way thinner so prepare for several years of shit keyboards, which is a deal breaker for a laptop

>>106915614
Framework laptops are such scams
>high end prices for medium end hardware
>but you can replace an usb port!!1
Might as well get a cheap stinkpad at this point, same mediocre hardware for one third of the price

>>106915687
sorry you can't afford to have principles
back in the day I used to have a ThinkPad W530, cost me $2200 new with the 5 year extended warranty
the service level of the warranty they provided no longer exists, so there is no reason to buy a ThinkPad
any ``principles'' you're claiming to have by using a ThinkPad are just delusions in 2025.

>>106915735
I'm not talking about principles, I'm talking about framework being an overpriced stinker and the supposed benefits being a joke

>>106915741
you chase a race to the bottom and rock bottom is what you're getting
it's little wonder with consumers like you around the entire electronics industry is falling apart around us trying to chase razor thin margins and having everything fail just outside of warranty
just buy your cheap shit off of ebay and leave the rest of us alone

>>106915747
>ummm chuddy you should pay double for mediocre hardware because uhhhh...
yeah nah
I couldn't care less about manufacturer margins either.
>having everything fail just outside of warranty
this just isn't true when it comes to laptops

Framework desktop is a locked down, soldered pile of shit btw, in case you get too heated about how "principled" framework is

>>106915765
Buy a fan for your Thinkpad off of ebay right now.
Try it. Does it fit?
Mine's didn't. The exact same part number meant I bought a 4-pin fan instead of the 3-pin that comes with my laptop.
My W530 is now a useless brick.
That will not happen with a framework, because guess what--I can just buy the correct part directly from their website.

>>106915775
Anon do you seriously blame stinkpads for you being unable to buy the correct part?
"I bought a new cpu for my desktop and now it's a useless brick because it's am5 and not am4??" fucking really

I'm not even shilling stinkpads here, mind you, I'm just shitting on framework being an overpriced, underwhelming machine. The last time I had to fix anything in a laptop was over a decade ago, shit just works nowadays unless you buy budget tier garbage. Most you'll have to do is switch an ssd for a larger one.

>>106915792
So basically what you're telling me is that you've never owned a machine long enough to need to repair it, you've never actually tried, and your opinion on repair is completely irrelevant
all I needed to know
seeya retard
keep telling other people about things you know nothing about

>>106915183
Is it really that much worse than the previous OS
I mean other than the UI aesthetic

>>106915844
strip away the dogshit ui/ux and it's decent, but 'other than the ui aesthetic' does a lot of heavy lifting here - you interact with it all the time, after all
it's still miles ahead of jeetcoded win11 but it's been such an annoyance I downgraded to macos 15 after two weeks of glASS

>>106909220
Apple invented the number 5.

>>106906470
Listen you dumb fuck macfag. Order the new one like a good chump. Copy your shit to it, and return the old one. Then install gentoo

In the end, I think I'll be able to sell it to a friend and use that money to get the new one when it drops.

Shipping it back is expensive both in terms of time and money, I'd rather keep it if I'm not able to sell it.

>>106906178 (OP)
Kek, what a fucking retard.

>>106906470
>but I got the M4 with a 400€ discount
I would give M4 to my gf and get myself refurbished thinkpad for 400e.