Thread 106915170

whats the best espresso machine that you /g/uys use ?

just get a capsule machine. getting an espresso machine for home use is stupid, you wont end up saving money because you'll get sick of using it by the 7th week then just make instant or go to the nearest cafe anyway.
besides, you'll grind your beans wrong anyway. or over roast them. or get a bad batch of beans. and use the wrong water. and not properly tamper the grounds. and not get the proper pressure for the right extraction.

>>106915170 (OP)
i get coffee from your moms asshole.

>>106915170 (OP)
It depends on what you want, a fully manual machine or an all-in-one automated one and how much you want to spend.
I've got a Gaggia Classic E24 with the upgraded brass boiler.
The amount of customisation you can do on those is insane if you're into hacking, but stock it's a very simple machine, and the only thing going for it is that it uses high quality parts and is overbuilt.

>>106915717
Skill issue
>or over roast them
Who roasts beans at home?
>use the wrong water
And nespresso machines don't use water?

I've never had a decent cup of coffee from a capsule machine, at best it's consistently mediocre.

>>106915170 (OP)
Espresso sounds like fag lisp to me. I use a $5 dripper like normal people do.

>I've never had a decent cup of coffee from a capsule machine

skill issue

>>106915780
I'm sure you thought you were being very clever with that comeback, but the whole point of capsule machines is that you're doing pic related, that's your "skill" level

espresso machines are just capsule machines with extra steps. dont kid yourself. you're not any more of a "connoisseur" because you tamper your own grounds. the concept of making your own water solution flew over your head, tells me you're just a pretentious le im so sophisticated dullard who doesnt grasp the point of making actual good coffee. you probably dont even have an actual good grinder (post it, timestamped)

but you'll just pretend you knew it all along though.

>>106915857
Drink your nespresso if that's what you want and can't be bothered to make your own coffee, but don't do mental gymnastics trying to justify it as the enlightened choice of smart people like you.
It's convenience over quality and that's what you've chosen.

fucking idiots. the quality of the brew depends on the beans, not the machine. good beans will come out good even if you use a drip coffee machine, espresso machine, syphon, capsule, moka pot or a fucking aeropress. get your heads out of your asses.

it is the smart choice. that's the point, convenience. you cant talk about le making your own coffee when you dont even roast your own beans.

you're making glorified instant coffee.

just buy the beans, the grinder and a moka pot/coffee paper filter thing
you're good to go

>>106916036
Yes I also don't travel the world to pick them either you obnoxious midwit, you haven't made a single cogent argument ITT

I was a barista for 8 miserable years, it's running hot water through ground coffee beans, that's all it is, and trying to give that extremely simple process some character and gravity by dissecting and scrutinising the process is pathetic

>>106916111
Yes just like cooking is throwing ingredients together and heating them, so let's just all drink huel since it's more convenient, cooking is just huel with extra steps.

>>106915717
>capsule machine
might as well just drink instant coffee

>>106917266
how is that comparable to a decent capsule machine pushing water through with 15bar pressure?

>>106915170 (OP)
Just get a DeLonghi Dedica and a manual grinder.
Eventually you'll get bored with it and will come running back to your filter coffee maker.

>>106917286
If you're not grinding coffee beans yourself, you're drinking oxidized piss water.

>>106917296
which is what I'm doing
I have reusable capsules and a small grinder

I use one of these with a flat burr grinder
it's not very fancy but it gets the job done
I'd love to build a gagguino but can't justify the cost

Let me guess, you "need" more.

here's the grinder I use
>>106917288
you'll definitely get sick of manual grinding really fucking quick because of how fine you have to grind the coffee. hence flat burr grinder being a requirement (conical sucks)

The new brass gaggia classic is the best price performance machine if you mod it.

Espresso is a meme, and so are all the other capsule machines that attempt to emulate it on a budget. Espresso was designed as a way for cafes to serve lots of customers as quickly as possible. It's not the pinnacle of coffee like some people pretend it is, it's just a more expensive and finicky brewing method and it makes little sense in a home or office environment (given that it's optimised for time rather than flavour). For home use, it makes more sense to just buy a good burr grinder, good coffee beans and a decent but cheap brewer like a V60 or Aeropress. That way you can actually enjoy your drink for more than a couple of sips.

>>106917510
>filtered

>>106917524
I agree, filtered coffee is better than memepresso.

>>106917530
have you ever even had espresso?
I drank french press and pour overs for years and they're pretty good but the flavor of Espresso is way better, not even comparable
and you can just steam some milk and mix it into a shot if you want "more then a couple sips"

>>106915170 (OP)
I use the basic model of a De'Longhi. My recommendation is not buying cheapo brands, they're much worse. It's better to buy the basic models of well known quality brands. De'Longhi is the safest choice but there are others just as good if not better depending on the model.

>>106917553
If you're diluting the drink with milk (or water in the case of an Americano) then you're not going to get the full flavour. I can enjoy a good espresso when I'm out and about, but for daily home use a good filter brew is just far more sensible.

BRIPECHADS IT'S OUR TIME

>>106917313
this
moka pot is most reliable piece of coffee technology in existence

>>106917636
the metallic taste is too brutal

>>106915170 (OP)
My brother in law works for Breville so I got it for free it's a little time and effort to get it dialed in but it's great and if it ever stopped working I'd ask him for another one.

>>106917625
a lungo has a perfectly fine rich coffee taste

>>106915170 (OP)
I used a modded gaggia classic pro. It pulls excellent shots after the PID upgrade. Someday I'll own a better machine, but this is good enough and it'll really just be a luxury item whenever I do upgrade. I can't imagine the coffee will be much better than what I get out of the machine I've got now.

>>106917636
Moka pots have a number of inherent flaws. The dose size is tied to the size of the moka pot, so you are forced to make the exact same amount every time. If you have guests over then you either need to go through the entire brew process multiple times or you need to buy a larger moka pot. And unless you watch it carefully and immediately run it under a cold tap to stop the brew process at the end, you're going to end up with an awful bitter taste. An Aeropress is objectively superior in terms of flexibility and ease of use.

>>106916013
Of course the coffee is the most important part.
The biggest upgrade you can make is to start buying beans and grinding at home instead of buying pre-ground vacuum sealed coffee or capsules.

>>106917806
cold brew coffee is the final coffee pill

>>106917286
>15bar pressure
meme.
'15bar' machines use pressure reduction to drop it back to (an actually usable) 9bar again. '9+bar' is marketing bullshit for retards.

>>106917896
Iced coffee (concentrated hot coffee poured over ice to chill it) is better than cold brew (coffee that is brewed at low temperature).

>>106918034
iced espresso > cold brew > iced coffee

>>106917686
IMO the only real disadvantage is having to brew multiple times for guests.
But it requires minimal maintenance and cleaning and will last forever so it's a pretty good compromise.

>>106917313
I can't use this at work nigga

>>106918152
Italians recently figured out electricity

>>106918152
Just put a hot plate on your desk, fuck the haters

>>106915717
Retard doesn't know the difference between espresso and Nespresso

>>106915725
Calm down Norman. This isn't the thread to act all edgy. Time and place.

>>106915756
When your don't know, you just don't know

>>106916013
You can't extract espresso from a drip machine jackass

>>106916148
This. The amount of dumb retarded faggots in tech is alarming

>>106917313
based, all it needs is water, heat, and ground coffee
for being that simple, the coffee it makes is remarkably close to real espresso

>>106917686
>Objectively superior
Value is subjective you fucking moron

>>106917896
How true is this?

>>106915717
>>106915894
>>106916068
>>106916148
Anon is pic related. Stop gargling cocks, son.

>>106915170 (OP)
Linea Micra.
Grinder is more important however.

>>106915170 (OP)
man i love a good expresso

Coffeefags love arguing over their shit so much while tea lovers just enjoy their flower.

lelit anita

>>106918574
This is not true at all

>>106917322
Thats literal dogshit bud.

>>106919073
why?

>>106919134
Its a 60mm clone of stock italmill burrs, running at 3000 rpm. Thats a very blendy mess. Theres literally nothing you can do to fix it. If you got a dogshit Shardor instead(for the same price) you could at least waste money on SSP or Lebrew burrs later.

>>106919184
I installed a dimmer knob to slow it down
are you talking about this grinder? looks like it just came out a few months ago

>>106919381
"Afficionados" on espresso discords have been importing them for about a year and a half. Its also a piece of shit, but you can almost pick it up and a pair of SSPs for the price of a df64. Of course you should just buy a good grinder in the first place but now brokes can into decent flat burrs.

>>106917946
nespresso/nestle is a bit special with their patented grind technology

I fucked around with a bunch of coffee stuff but I eventually just settled on a DeLonghi superauto. Walk up to it, turn it on, press button, coffee comes out. The hassle of the more involved methods is tiring if you're a regular coffee drinker. Sure the coffee quality isn't quite as good as manual machines, but it's plenty good enough once you get the machine dialed in and find some decent beans.

>>106918105
>requires minimal maintenance and cleaning
This is why I never drink moka coffee at other people's houses. The amount of grime and mildew that accumulates over dozens of brews is absolutely revolting and people insist that "it should never be washed with soap", no fuck you every time I use mine I fully disassemble it and give it a clean with dish soap afterwards. And yes I do open the basket up because the shit that accumulates under the filter is probably the worst part.

For me it's steamed milk. I like steamed milk.

>>106915170 (OP)
>on /g/
>0 mentions of gaggiuino
shameful

>>106919711
>306
guy just dropped an i.

>>106919711
what's the point?
still requires a really expensive coffee machine

a fully automatic Phillips espresso machine with integrated grinder is cheaper

>>106919711
Do they sell them premodded

>>106919711
bc for that price if you want a traditional espresso machine you get one that is better and works without unnecessary tech?

>>106919711
I mentioned it here:
>>106917306

>>106915170 (OP)
Gaggia Classic Pro with Gaggiuino mod
GCP + a $50 PID mod for temperature control gets you 95% of the way there to great coffee

>>106919789
lol
the grinder is what you're spending money on, and you need to spend money on it. I'd rather have a boilerless lever and a nice grinder than an automatic with some ceramic crap bolted on

>>106919909
this, conical grinders aren't usable for espresso. the small grinding area makes it take too long and also heats up the grounds and cooks them

>>106919816
do you even know what it is
it's attached to a "traditional espresso machine that works without unnecessary tech"

>>106919935
i know what it is, i can do the same shit to mine and i pass
if its already good, then why you need that pid and crap?
mine >>106918598 is around the same pricetag, and can even be bought with a pid from the factory, was even recomended by this fag >>106918521 years after i bought it

>>106919932
You're incredibly wrong.
>>106920022
Its not just
>a pid
retard. Its digital and repeatable control over the pump pressure. Your shitty phillips doesn't do that. Lelit Anna doesn't do it.

>>106919932
>the small grinding area makes it take too long and also heats up the grounds and cooks them
that's not the problem with conical grinders at all and no idea what you mean by "cooks them," it's just the grind profile
>>106920022
>if its already good, then why you need that pid and crap
because making a machine that makes espresso is not hard or a high bar. your machine or the gaggia, the mechanism works. the gaggiuino lets you have repeatability, insight into what's happening and the ability to change it, pressure and temperature profiling, etc.

Drink tea, anon

>>106920175
I drink both

>>106920022
Wait you actually bought the 57mm Lelit. LOL.

>>106920053
it doesnt need it, that is my point
>>106920120
mine has a pressure gauge, i dont need more honestly, i can see easily when something is wrong just with that.
i know what is for, it is for tinkering enthusiast, or the coffee autism, not so much for actual coffee itself, which i respect, but you are making a simple machine complex for little benefit, so dont expect it to be popular. maybe on /diy/ or on /ck/ but not on /g/

>>106920189
>i know what is for, it is for tinkering enthusiast, or the computer autism, not so much for actual computer itself, which i respect, but you are making a simple machine complex for little benefit, so dont expect it to be popular. maybe on /diy/ or on /ck/ but not on /g/

>>106920207
>stm32blackpill?
>is that on the app store?

>>106920207
i couldnt be farther away from that fag, i am a /diy/er that has learnt to not tinker with the basic shit that just works.
but keep lying yourself that gagguino should be popular here bc reasons

>>106920120
raw beans are roasted right?
have you ever touched a conical burr after grinding a double shot? they get very hot, that heat further roasts the already roasted bean
>>106920053
in what way am I wrong? can you try forming an opinion

also you can pull perfectly fine shots from a stock Gaggia it just takes a little practice and understanding on what you're doing. making it fully automatic and being able to program pressure curves is cool but someone needs to work on make it cheaper because it's just not worth the price of the system right now. probably why it's still a DIY project

>>106920319
>keep lying yourself that gagguino should be popular here bc reasons
why so salty
you bought a combo grinder-espresso machine and you're happy with the results, you watch the pressure gauge and see if something went catastrophically wrong. some people are happy with a nespresso machine
I don't know how you couldn't see the parallels in modding old used tech to have greater control and superior features that are slightly pedantic and whose benefits aren't immediately understandable to the average person. that's a combination of like half the threads on here

>>106920502
you could run a conical grinder in a freezer and people would still notice a taste difference compared to a flat

THIS IS NOW A TEA THREAD. KNEEL BEFORE THE SUPERIORITY OF GREEN JASMIN TEA!

>>106920565
I drink both.

>>106920547
I doubt putting it in the freezer would help the heat problem, stainless steel is a poor conductor of heat so it wouldn't sink away very fast. even if that did work you'd still have the grinding speed problem
the root cause of both issues is that the effective grinding area (the outer circumference of the conical) is way smaller then a flat burr

>>106920502
>conical grinders aren't usable for espresso
Would you like me to list some very good conical burr espresso grinders?

>>106920593
please do

>>106919711
The gaggiuino fixes everything wrong with the gaggia

>>106920627
Mazzer Kony
Mazzer Robur
Mazzer Robur 3 phase
Kafatec Monolith Conical (1 through 5)
Craig Lyn HG-1 and HG-1 Prime
Weber Workshops HG-1, HG-2, and Key
Fiorenzato F71
MX.Cool Aries
Commandante c40 and c60
Kinu M47 Phoenix
tons of chinese trickle down versions of all of the above

>>106920749
Whoops that should be Kafatek.

>>106920743
>Pick up a nice bottomless portafilter for my machine
>Shoots jets of coffee in every direction
>Try to troubleshoot
>Turns out it can be caused by basically anything
>Go back to regular portafilter
I might revisit again the future but for now I value being able to walk away from the machine while it brews.

>>106920537
the grinder could be better but is just convenient, and i can see more that an incoming catastrophic wrong shot, like you can see by how the gauge moves if its going to be bitter or whatever and adjust how much time you expend on it. You learn quick to feel it and do automatically. But you also need to do this like only when you change beans and are adjusting, is really consistent if the grind is
>that's a combination of like half the threads on here
not on doing actual modifications on hardware, which was my point, the people that like that are in /mcg/ and /ohm/ not here, and for saying that i was compared to that massive macfag

>>106920839
Sounds like a skill issue.
>>106920847
>like you can see by how the gauge moves if its going to be bitter or whatever
I really wish I hadn't been linked this thread.

>>106920839
just make a little spacer for your cup to sit on that moves it close to the head
>>106920749
I didn't look at all of them but they seem to solve the problem by making the conical bigger
the manual ones would never have a problem because the RPM will be as fast as you can spin it

>>106920915
Those bottom 3(+ the chinese knockoffs) are small hand grinder conicals. My old kinu would indeed get hot to the touch (with super light roasts on a high extraction basket) but it certainly made very good espresso and that heat didn't affect the shots at all. Now can you tell me how and why you formed your incorrect opinion?
>conical grinders aren't usable for espresso

>>106920839
Putting a paper filter on the bottom should help with that. I would recommend the filter regardless as it tastes better. https://coffeeadastra.com/2021/04/04/how-a-paper-filter-below-an-espresso-puck-affects-hydraulic-resistance/

Gagguino is overkill and for nerds that like to see a graph when they make coffee. PID requires WAY less fuss and gets you 80% of the benefits with 20% of the effort.
Anyway Rancilio Silvia + PID is still the goat since you can get a machine on Facebook for like $300 + PID kit for $100.

>>106921019
A more stable temp isn't anywhere near 80% of the benefit of granular pressure control.

>>106917288
this
actual decent rec in a offtopic thread

>>106921019
you can get a complete gen 2 gaggiuino kit for $100