Thread 106918784

Why are they like this?

>>106918784 (OP)
>doesn't play SNES by squinting with your face 3 inches from the CRT
ngmi

it's the way it was meant to be played™

CRT fags be like

>>106918784 (OP)
Are people finally realizing this? Sitting actual TV-watching distance from the screen (you know, the way it was meant to be played), CRT just looks dark and blurry.

>>106918814
>>106918837
>CRT fags be like

Btw, real crt's look nothing like these garbage shaders. It's technically impossible to do it justice on any flat panel on the market today irrespective of color reproduction capabilities.

Why do crt people like those black lines over everything?

>>106918864
>No true Scotsman

>>106918864
photos of them never do them justice. if you could see what they look like in a photo/video of them on an lcd, then it means an lcd can do what a crt can and there'd be no arguments needed in the first place

clip: adjusting the iso on my camera to show the dynamic range of a 30 year old monitor, it can't capture the dim stars and asteroid details without blowing out the bright earth.

>>106918891
Kek, exactly what I'm talking about.

>>106918784 (OP)
oh no im thinking about princess peach bondage
God damn you crtfags
I didn't ask for this

>>106918894
The problem here is integer aspect ratio correction which can be technically nonviable for many resolutions (a 640x350 vga image is going to take at least a 22400x16800 display just for that alone) and the extra size required to simulate the leaking of the light emitted by the phosphors and also the lack of proper blanking which makes shit either blurry or actually darker if you try to simulate it. Too many things, and that assuming top of the line consumer monitors in 2025.

I love this varying width scan-line effect of Trinitrons. The brighter the pixel is the wider the scan-line becomes, which happens to interact with eg anti-aliased text so that it creates smoother curves than possible in the input picture itself; literally analog super resolution.
Picrel, eg the top of the letter P demonstrates this effect very clearly. A very objectively picture-improving "artifact" that only happens with CRTs.

>>106919290
this isn't a trinitron-specific effect. it happens with any crt. like see >>106918800. that's a video of a common slot mask crt tv. the beam power affecting the width of the line is a property of crts in general, not what kind of colour mask it uses

>>106919664
Tue but it's the most visible and clear on AGs since they have no vertical phosphor segmentation.
With dot and slot masks the texture of the mask dominates in the picture...

>>106919720
sure, it's more pronounced on trinitrons (or equivalents like diamondtrons made after the patent expired), as they have cleaner lines.

>>106918924
LMAO!!!! KILL YOURSELF

>>106918924
Ok fag, tell me where the reflections come from?

>>106918800
Based

>>106918864
modern shaders are really good actually. Yeah they're not perfect but im tired of you fags acting like they're not making a huge difference in accuracy compared to the raw pixels

>>106918800
>>106919986
Slot mask the best. Trannytroon is a fucking meme.

>>106919986
i love metal slug. it's the only arcade game i've played to completion on an actual unit

>>106919996
crt-royale with crt beam simulator
https://docs.libretro.com/shader/crt_royale/
https://github.com/blurbusters/crt-beam-simulator
on a high resolution (4K+), high refresh rate (240Hz+) oled monitor could probably emulate a crt television pretty closely. right now just using a crt tv is more sensible, but it's nice to know there are options for the future

>>106919939
>>106919969
>>106920074

>>106920172 (You)

>>106920194
Sorry you're so upset

>>106920074
>on a high resolution (4K+), high refresh rate (240Hz+) oled monitor could probably emulate a crt television pretty closely. right now just using a crt tv is more sensible, but it's nice to know there are options for the future
Yeah, tested it to myself, it's pretty good. Personally I have a stockpile of CRTs to last for life but it's good to have alternatives.

>>106920219
>>106920074
Samefag

>>106920219
it's a bummer most people don't seem to care about motion performance, like it's not something i see bought up outside of blurbusters... or /g/ crt threads.
i could understand it from people who've never seen a crt before and just can't imagine non-blurry motion, but crt>lcd didn't happen overnight. it doesn't make sense. people can't be that blind, can they?

ps. what monitor are you talking about? do they make 240Hz+ 4K oled monitors? i've only personally tried crt-royale on a 4k oled monitor at 60hz (before the beam simulator shader was made), and it looked great for stills. didn't do anything for motion of course, but it did look nice

>>106919996
Mario if he fuzzy

>>106918891
Nigger, this is literally 8bit vs 16bit

CRTs didnt even have scanlines or blur unless they were shitty TVs
CRT computer monitors were literally clearer than LCDs

>>106920324
I'm talking about CRT Beam Simulator on a 240Hz 4k OLED. As I said it's pretty good but no replacement for my CRTs.

So much detail is lost

>>106920370
>CRT computer monitors
I have 15kHz CRT computer monitors that have obvious separated scanlines.

>>106920367
no shit faggot m that's the joke. that's the typical cry fag

>>106920380
i'm aware, i'm not sure what part of my post suggested otherwise
i'm wondering what monitor model you used was

>>106918784 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kILeyo1iv0A&t=89s
Our response?

>>106920391
must be a terrible fucking monitor then

>>106920384
anon this is a GBA shader/effect, what does this have to do with crts?

>>106920401
PG32UCDM

>>106920406
Retards. Just buy an OLED and slap the newest filters on the emulator. The games will look like CRT on steroids and can be dialed in

>>106920417
neat, didn't know you could get monitors like that. will have to consider upgrading

>>106920407
>there weren't dedicated computer monitors before VGA became the norm, aka before 31khz, i.e. 15-24khz.

>>106920407
multiscan was even a thing
could do 15khz and 31khz+ modes

>>106920444
>>there weren't dedicated computer monitors before VGA became the norm
yes there were
goddamn zoomers I swear

>>106920418
Which filter?

>>106920463
is this your first day here?

>>106920473
no?

>>106920470
see >>106920074

>>106920474
then lurk moar

>>106920480
Why do I need to lurk more before calling out people posting stupid misinformation? TVs in the 80s were far too blurry to display text, computer monitors needed to exist

>>106920490
he wasn't suggesting there weren't, he was accusing the other poster of not knowing there were

>>106920417
>look it up
>$2100
fug :DDD
we're getting there though, slowly but surely. i'll be keeping my crt's for the mean time

>>106920172
Fake as fuck

>>106920074
>crt-royale
hello r*ddit
guest shaders mog

>>106920541
funny thing is the graphics on the "improved" version are worse

Show me one (1) eroge that looks even remotely different on crt. Protip, you can't.

>>106920541
no shit, he's trying to suggest that it's all just nostalgia/"what we imagined" type of thing

>>106920546
oh? there's something newer? i don't keep up since i use crts. good to know

>>106920549
What don't you like about it. I don't like how the zombies have the same style as the cronotrigger fake from earlier

>>106918924
I will admit that chronotrigger would have been awesome if it looked like that at the time.

>>106920527
Yeah and it's not even that good, still QD-OLED too. Sold mine a few months ago, using my C4 as my main monitor for PC, at least it has more uses than just high refresh gaming. Still using my CM8833-II and KV25X1E as my retro gaming CRTs.
But it's nice to see there's development.

>>106920324
LOL
Every pro rhythm gamer and smash player moved to lcd/led monitors years ago. Face it, At a certain point refresh rate matters more than motion clarity.

>>106920606
yea absolutely, i'm by no means against something replacing crt's, but they have to be at least as good as crts first.
i'm not oblivious to lcd's advantages of course, they're lighter, cheaper to make, larger screens, lower power, sharper, perfect geometry, etc. but this was all at the expense of image quality (except sharpness i suppose), which is a big downside considering we're talking about monitors, where image quality is or should be the first priority

>>106920657
for specific tasks perhaps, but responsiveness and motion performance are two completely different things

>>106920694
This is obvious and well known information to any CRTard.

>>106920688
And I'm telling you on even the worst case games motion clarity is already good enough to make the low refresh rate of all crts the weakest factor.
There simply isn't a game where crts are better.

>>106920758
>There simply isn't a game where crts are better.
you seem to be coming from a position of "high level play", and sure, high refresh rate is more important than most other metrics for this use-case. but i don't care about such high level/professional play.
a 480Hz tn lcd being better for a counter-strike player doesn't really make me want to get one, since it won't make any of my games look better

>>106920827
Yes, but then my secondary point. Modern games since UE4 and even more so UE5 have so much built in motion blur smearing cross many multiple frames that it's noticeably bad without any hi speed equipment

Fuck... Now I want to buy a CRT again.

>>106920859
i don't play many newer games.
i'll be clear in that i've never said a crt monitor is "better for gaming" as a blanket statement, there's certainly different kinds of games and goals that benefit more from one or another type of display.
for older games, especially ones locked to 60Hz and lower resolutions, i don't think there's a question that crts are better for those, but for modern games it depends. perhaps you just wanted to call attention to that.

>>106918891
no true scotsman only applies in morally ambiguous cases, reproducing cathode ray tube projection on a digital display is mechanico-objectively impossible

Old games suck, new games are way better and I'm not just talking about the graphics
t. gen z that played old games

>>106920975
"digital display" is ambiguous. displays are by definition an analog output device. it's like saying "digital speaker", the end result is analog information.
there's nothing stopping someone from adding digital inputs to a crt (there even do exist crt hdtv's with hdmi input)
i can only presume you mean displays with discrete pixels, but even then there was the unreleased SED, which used crt-like technology but with fixed pixels, is that "digital"?

>>106921014
ok

>>106921014
zoomers suck, and I'm not just talking about their shit opinions

>>106918891
>>106918924
>>106919996
>>106920172
>>106918800
I don't understand what is the problem? I can see this on my OLED screen just fine. Should it only visible on CRT?

>get a top tier OLED
>try HDR
>notice that the arguments and style of posts shitting on CRT are very similar to the ones claiming OLEDs are bad and HDR doesn't make a difference
>realize it's the same jeets on TN/VA panels from 2008 shitting on anything that they can't afford or can't find

>>106921111
the moar you nootice
>>106921093
ignorance is bliss

>>106921111
>>realize it's the same jeets on TN/VA panels from 2008 shitting on anything that they can't afford or can't find
Mostly this plus also people who don't actually use CRTs for /vr/ or play any /vr/.

>>106921139
>Looks like shit, smells like, shit, well, it is shit.
The CRT superior sprites are clearly visible on my OLED and looks exactly like CRT. I guess all you need is a filter/shader. Simple. Why do I need to buy a box firing electrons in my eyes?

sneed

>>106918800
That strobing flicker is headache inducing, couple that with the high pitched whine those things emit I'm glad to have my smooth led monitor

>>106921111
I have a top tier OLED monitor I still use SDR. I seriously couldn't see the difference between HDR and tonemapped HDR. I didn't even know what to look for exactly. My desktop looks hideous with HDR on. Some games look disgusting, though I agree color banding was gone. Calibrate for your display, then calibrate for games, keep calibrating. Fuck off.

Would little girls look better on a crt or an oled?

>>106921608
Enjoy pwm

>>106921608
You must be legally blind if you don't see the difference between SDR and HDR, or you're legally retarded and you think you can just turn on HDR, boot any game or movie, and it will instantly work. Actually just retarded, even the legally blind can still notice something as obvious as the huge spike in peak brightness.

You need to enable HDR in your OS, then boot up a game that supports it, then enable it in that game (or use autoHDR, or RTXHDR, but considering you're too retarded to use normal HDR, I'd avoid that). Go play something like Path of Exile 2 with HDR and cast any lightning spell and tell me HDR doesn't make a difference.

>>106921670
What difference am I supposed to see? Yes I am a retard. I need help.

>>106921636
What is wrong with PWM?

>>106921793
Color, but the easier to see is just brightness. Something like a lightning bolt in a game will be multiple times brighter (OLEDs generally have 1000nits on small areas) than in SDR.

There is simply no way to not notice, the effect is strong enough to make a very noticeable difference even just looking around your room instead of at your screen because it will light things up 5x what SDR does.

>>106921873
HDR sets the brightness to max which is annoying

>>106921903
This
>>106921873
Why would I want to blind myself?

>>106921985
>Why would I want to blind myself?
Better not go outside then because the reflected sunlight in your third world shithole is a lot brighter than a 1000nit screen. Not that you could afford one.

I have three meme monitors just rotting away unused in my mom's house, zoomers will never have them.

>>106922088
Sun is actually dimmer in the third world because of all the air pollution you cunt. By your diseased brain's logic, if there is a video of sun on the screen, it should be as bright. Did your father rape your mouth when your mother was birthing you?

>>106921903
>>106921985
Absolute retardation. You can even run HDR at sub-peak panel brightness for peak HDR.

>>106922259
Tard

>>106922290
Lower than panels actual peak brightness for peak HDR brightness for the content, if you want for some reason. Better?

>>106922226
>Did your father rape your mouth when your mother was birthing you?
>madarchod bitch youre father rape ur mother vagana bloody bastard?
Despite you trying to clean up your insults to make them sound less brown, they make it obvious to any native English speaker that you're some form of fecaloid.

>>106919290
filters do this too

>>106922321
Clean up insults? Wtf are you talking about? Your father must have done the same to you too.

>>106922321
>NOOO ZAAR PLEASE I AM JSUT LIKE YOU WE ARE EKUALL

>>106918814
chat is this real

>>106920172
Idk why crt fags are like this kek

Put some scalines on this

>>106922479
I know we ain't equal.

>>106922788
Kek braaaaaaaapppppppppp

>>106921603
Crt monitors don't have flicker and don't whine.

>>106918864
No, but a lot of games do look better with them, or at least with scanlines.
>>106918891
I know you're trolling, but the difference does seem that severe for some games. I've taken to playing anything N64/PSX and earlier with CRT shaders and PS2 games with scanlines. Really does make a difference in the majority of cases.

>>106924098
Even on my crt monitor I'll inject ntsc filters in any game I play at 480p. It legit just looks better at such a low resolution.

>>106924183
I don't think it's the resolution so much as the graphics being designed for that kind of monitor and looking better with a CRT filter than without. I play PSX/PS2 games on 1080p/1440p/2160p, and they universally look better with a filter.

>>106924013
They do whine but you can't hear it. I heard it as a kid. Don't hear it now. I can hear about 18khz too at nearly 40 years old, and at my age that's pretty fucking good, not sure how I can do it considering all the loud shit my ears have been exposed to. I don't know what frequency that whine is, but it must be super high.

>>106920172
>monsters suddenly turn brown

>>106918784 (OP)
Because you can't show how good a screen is thru a worse screen.

>>106924897
tv's have horizontal deflection yoke whine at 15.7kHz, pc monitors begin at 31kHz and only go up from there.
i don't really hear my tv anymore, but even as a kid it never annoyed me. you could tell if a tv was on in another room, but it wasn't distracting

>>106924897
>>106925575
though i suppose, at the same time i grew up when everyone had crt tv's, so that sound was everywhere, i suppose it would be more jarring for a young person today who isn't used to it

>>106924897
Anon crt monitors are 31khz, that's like 11khz above even a child's hearing. The thing you're thinking of is crt tv's which some adults cant hear.

CRT TV and CRT monitor
is like
Toyota vs ferrari

>>106925799
Yea, I suppose my memories stem from tvs and not the monitors.

>>106918864
>>106924098
>>106924183
>>106924843
what are some good shaders/emulators that'll let me inject crt-like shit to make old games look better on a modern monitor? i know it'll never look as good as a real crt but i want options that dont include dumpster diving or paying out the ass

>>106918814
>>106918837
>>106922557

this is the realest shit

>>106921573
this is a great example, it's got a bit of everything to compare

>>106925979
I bought a crt monitor for $40 from a thrift store so I couldn't tell you.

>>106920172
oh no the jeff dunham post-9/11 psyop to get us to hate the muslims for the jews is attacking me

>>106920384
redeem the AI upscaling saar

>>106925979
For DuckStation, I use CRT-NewPixie. For PCSX2, I just use a basic scanline filter. For older systems on RA, just try different things in the "crt" folder in the shader menu and see what you like; I use different things on different machines for that depending on how powerful the GPU is.

>>106926186
LMFAO

>>106920391
*SNIFF*

>>106919996
pixels are a secondary thing.
it's the motion clarity.

sadly most don't even know.
images of crt's displayed on flattech are similar to subwoofer frequencies played on your 10$ 2" speakers.

>>106918891
came to /g/today to rant about the cunts that updated the browser algorithm so that is no longer displays raw image data but instead does some skewed resolution "adjustments" makinx a 5x5 pixel png one pixel line square look like a 7x5 pixel rectangle with a 2x5 header bar
i hope that the dump asshole that did this rets raped by a rabid wendigo

>>106928372
wtf is your problem, moron

>>106922557
kill yourself

>>106928372
i honestly have no clue what you're talking about

>>106918800
Can confirm CRT pixels were always completely visible. Don't know where this whole "smearing" idea came from.
t. boomer

>>106929556
it comes from poor quality transports, namely composite and RF
that video clip is one i made myself, quite a while ago now, but what you're seeing is a totally boring 1999 consumer television, but the picture is from a linux pc running mame, using a homemade cable going from an hd7850's vga port over to scart. i.e. it's RGB, same as what an arcade machine uses. that's as good as a consumer tv's picture gets. (i believe component would be of equal quality, but i haven't personally owned a crt tv that supports that)

>>106929556
>Can confirm CRT pixels were always completely visible.
But CRTs don't have pixels?!?

>>106926219
thats what im looking for thanks for the heads up

>>106929643
i assume he means "pixels on crts"

>>106920074
How do you actually use this in game?

>>106929643
They have analog "pixels". They are still called pixels. They even have a resolution.

>>106918784 (OP)
The reason why is the original pixel art was designed to have more details and shadows utilizing the crts modern problems (scanlines etc, lowres etc). However a crt emulator effect on an emulator could replicate this. More comfortable pc compatible controllers have also been built for each console, too. Its easy as fuck to load up an emulator game with a desktop shortcut. On pc you can also use reshade to add insanely impressive shaders applicable to every game. Emulators also give you more control of the game than any console (change framerates, custom resolution, add mods, etc)

What does this all mean? Pc is better than console, even for emulation.

>>106933394
And even for retro games also

>>106918784 (OP)
while the tech was bulky, it had a durability which modern monitors just can't match.

>>106935834
what??? Are you poor?

>>106933394
you sound like a r/pcmasterrace ledditor fag
>faggots have been working on pcsx2 for over 20 fucking years and it still doesn't perfectly play ps2 games

>>106933364
it's pretty difficult to define what a pixel is on a crt. the definition of a pixel (picture element) is the small unit an image is made up of. because a crt line is a continuous analog signal, it's not made up of discrete parts. the number of lines is countable however, which is why crt resolution is usually only defined by line count (as in for example "480p").
however that doesn't mean a crt line is infinite resolution, there's only so much information you can put in one before they start to blur together, so you can quantify it in digital/discrete terms roughly, this is often done by displaying alternating vertical lines at higher resolutions until they are no longer visually separable, and the result is called TVL (television lines, not to be confused with horizontal line count.. i didn't invent this term)
note that even that isn't really perfectly fixed, it is affected by things like brightness and focus

shaders are good enough

>>106921603
the dark bars you see flashing there are not visible in real life, it's an artifact of how it was recorded

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