Thread 106924131

seems like all manufacturers are jumping on the colour bandwagon despite kaleido 3 still having significant flaws

>>106924131 (OP)
is it just me or does anyone else want to punch people who need images and colors in these things
why cant they just fucking use a screen

>>106924144
>colors
Yeah they're re-
>images
They're peak for reading manga without your eyes burning off, and a lot of academic textbooks have graphs and the like

>>106924131 (OP)
they have to sell new products to survive. it's too bad the tech has stagnated.

>>106924131 (OP)
all too small to display a page

>>106924131 (OP)
Peoplesaid the same when laptops were switching from monochrome to colour displays
People care more about colour.

I only have 50 USD, what would be the best option for that price?

>>106925934
Why the fuck would we care about some retarded burgoid incapable of thinking for himself

They all still offer b&w models.
At most you have Kobo no longer selling a 7" reader but they still have the Clara BW.

>>106924896
>without your eyes burning off
just don't buy OLED meme

>>106926592
Manga is an artistic medium where you regularly see large patches of pure white. LCD or OLED, it doesn't matter, you're basically staring into a lamp because your screen reaches its peak brightness

>>106924131 (OP)
I FUCKING WANT LARGE 24X32 E-INK DISPLAYS I CAN PUT HIGH RES FUTANARI IMAGES ONTO FROM MY PHONE TO DISPLAY A BUNCH INSTEAD OF PAYING FOR FUCKING CHINK POSTERS

>>106926612
i have no problem reading on my iPad (IPS). OLED is unusable for reading

>>106926627
What do you read? My Kindle is unironically just a manga reading machine, I have no issues reading regular books or color comics on my PC (LCD) or phone (OLED), although I do invert colors when reading regular books

>>106926621
Does this one do?
https://shopkits.eink.com/en/product/detail/42''MonochromeePaperDisplay(VB3300-RBA)
It's 33.6" by 25.2".

>>106926640
That better be a Kindle Scribe.

>>106926676
Paperwhite (And unironically I kinda want to import that HiSense e-ink phone to replace it)

>>106926669
$2500 FOR THAT SHIT?

>>106926612
Turn your fucking screen brightness down.

I get e-ink for books, but for manga it's stupid. You can't do double page spreads like you can on a decent monitor or tablet.

>>106926880
>Turn down your brightness
It almost never goes down to zero. I admit this isn't an inherent property of e-ink, but every modern monitor and tablet (Why the fuck would you get one for reading? Just use your phone if you dgaf about e-ink) is backlit instead of reflective
>You can't do double page spreads
Just, rotate them? KCC has a setting for it

The reality is that e-ink has been a solved market for a decade at this point. 300 PPI screens have been around that long, and so the market has had to pivot into retarded shit instead. First it was bigger devices for PDFs, now it's color so your book covers look pretty and all the text looks worse because of the color layers.

I'm still using a 9 year old e-reader because nobody has made anything half as good since then.

>>106924144
no backlit screen is visible under direct sunlight

>>106926931
>because nobody has made anything half as good since then.
you can thank the (((copyright trolls))) for that

>>106926880
>You can't do double page spreads like you can on a decent monitor or tablet.
How is a 10" or 13" e-ink display worse for that than a 10" LCD panel?
Or a 25" e-ink monitor?

>>106926931
>300 PPI screens have been around that long
For 10" they've only been available since 2022 and there Kindle Scribe is still the only device with b&w, 300ppi and front light.
13" 300ppi only came out a year ago.

>>106927097
color e-ink can't display color at full resolution

>>106927122
Gallery can.
Not sure what that has to do with what I wrote.
The reduced resolution from Kaleido CFA may actually be a reason for them to increase the density to 450ppi.

>>106924144
Go outside sometime

>>106927080
>How is a 10" or 13" e-ink display worse for that than a 10" LCD panel?
I'd say 8 inches is about the minimum for a decent mango experience, so 14" for a double page spread. 6/7" mango is shit.

>>106927097
Sure, but nobody sane uses 10/13" e-ink. If you want to read PDFs, you're better off with a tablet.

The e-reader companies accidentally made devices that last 10-20 years and never need replacing.

>>106927199
I'd dish out decent money for an A4-sized e-book reader, provided it doesn't have (((online))) capabilities.

>>106927223
It's not very portable though. It'd be nice to replace like a textbook collection but if you're using reference material like textbooks, having PDFs just on a normal device is where it's at. The situations in which you would like to read but not at a smartphone or computer desk is reasonably limited.

>>106927229
reading while sunbathing is a good example I can think of, no backlit screen can compete with sunlight and reflective lcd is even more niche than e-ink

>>106927199
They "upgraded" my e-reader a year after it was out to make the battery impossible to replace.

>>106927258
>reading while sunbathing
never do this.
UV radiation from the sun is going to fuck up your eyes

>>106927365
my glasses can take care of the UV radiation, plus I have auto-darkening lenses

>>106927158
>If you want to read PDFs, you're better off with a tablet.
Why?

>>106927223
You don't have to go online at all.
Get a Dasung 13" monitor if you are completely paranoid.

>>106927229
13" is pretty portable. Note really that much worse than 10" or 8". You're not going to fit either of them in your pants and a bag should be large enough for something the size of a sheet of paper.
What's your usecase for a smartphone?

>>106927469
Color, zooming and panning, general speed. I get e-ink for books, but I don't see the utility in an overpriced tablet that's worse than one with a regular screen.

>>106927480
it's not weatherproof...

>>106927502
What exactly do you do with pdf? How many e-ink tablets have you actively used?
>overpriced tablet
The joke is that the 13" e-ink tablets are actually cheaper than the comparable OLED/LCD models while offering a higher resolution for b&w.
Nothing comes close for usage outdoors or in well lit rooms/transit.

Meanwhile I read pdfs on my normal sized e-reader just fine. It's called being able to read smaller text. Honestly I see other people with e-readers and they jam the text size up to crazy sizes and it makes them look like they're reading a child's book.

>>106927537
I'm not sorry for being blind, anon

>>106927157
i do and i end up choking out jeet subhumans like you on the pavement
happened yesterday

>>106924144
because a normal screen is infinitely more stressful on the eyes.

the first epaper 16.7m+ color screen, 60hz refresh with pwm-less backlight will sell like hotcakes.

>>106927537
What kind of pdf do you read?
Do you cut corners like removing margins?
I have severe doubts you can read fine print on something less than a quarter of the intended size.

>>106927564
comics/images are not needed for strict focus like reading words are so moot point

>>106927567
I read PDFs of smaller books to be fair. Mostly, although I have read some textbooks at a quarter of the intended size.

>>106927571
>comic books
Not a child sorry

>>106927564
What's the use case of 60 Hz?
Why does the light have to come from the back?

>>106927564
>e-paper
>backlight
anon...

>>106927587
i want to replace my current 27" monitor i use for internet.

>>106927579
>60hz
so i can view a video if necessary
>light
so i can watch in the dark if necessary

>>106927633
What videos do you watch that are exactly 60Hz? And do you absolutely need them to be 60Hz in that situation.
I can already watch videos on my e-reader in a pinch.
>so i can watch in the dark if necessary
You're missing the point. You explicitly asked for a backlight, ruling out every other option to illuminate the display.

>>106927587
TLCD exist and get marketed as e-paper. It's a vague term without fixed standards.

>>106927633
>>106927651
e-ink screens have the leds in front of and around the screen, not behind it (if they have lights at all)
that's why e-ink works well with direct sunlight while lcd becomes invisible

>BW e-ink dead?
No, e-ink is dead in the water. EPD is the biggest snake oil in recent tech history, and muh eyes niggers are worse than a*diophiles with their magical eye healing reflected photons.

I'm selling my carta mira pro if you are interested

>>106928434
how much was it anew?

>>106928524
I bought it used 800€.

>>106926728
No, it's $3K with the driver and you'll still need to make an enclosure for it. How much did you expect it to be?

The manufacture will continue so it can be used for store labelling and a lot of other things.
There is no genuine commercial interest in accelerating the technology.

>>106928780
not as much as fucking nvidia gpu dingus.

>>106928849
I'm interested in poster sized versions of it. I think tons of people would be interested but they are fucking outrageously priced.

Didn't the patent for this tech expire recently? When are the chinks gonna start pumping out affordable devices?

>>106927567
nta, but you got me to make a test page. 6pt is perfectly readable, although I'd consider my ideal to be 7pt. I normally have margins set to minimum (left) but even 6pt is perfectly readable when set to maximum (right).
Test page in case any anon wants to repeat the experiment on their own reader:
https://files.catbox.moe/lor938.pdf

>>106930921
nigga that's fucking unreadable

>>106927199
Basically this
>>106927537
You're a retard that doesn't understand the utility of e-ink screens. If you aren't reading for more than 15 minutes in one go then e-ink screens aren't for you. Stick to your iToddlerWare.
>>106930998
You're illiterate
>>106929072
There's little to no margin
The cheap ones are really tiny and used at stores for displaying prices
>>106928347
>t. retarded nigger

I bought an oled tablet to read manga and the responsiveness and all the features make einks rather redundant, specially the color ones.

You still have the niche of having a low weight small device for reading books but for anything else get an oled tablet

>>106930921
Resizing the image so that it's the size of a 6" ereader, 8pt without margins and 9pt with margins is the smallest I can read without straining my eyes.

>>106931033
How is responsiveness a relevant feature for reading manga?
What I like is reading outside or on the train and I don't see OLED compete in that.

>>106925934
But used. There's really no breakthrough in the last 10 years. Make sure you can install koreader in whatever model you pick (white man signal)

>>106931079
you can use it for all the computing things
you can have browser open, listen to music, use other apps, smoothly slide the pages around, zoom in, read through mihon app, infinite contrast with great colors and adjustable brightness, some have mobile connectivibity and you could use it with 4g/5g networks
Oled tablet is likely larger than the average eink and you dont have to worry about too small text in comics

>>106931122
>read through mihon app,
I have that on my e-reader or more specifically the Yokai fork for double page reading. It's a piece of shit that doesn't seem to understand how manga is published and and constantly requires manual downloading. I don't think anybody actually reading manga uses it.
>you can have browser open, listen to music, use other apps, smoothly slide the pages around, zoom in
Literal zoomer with no attention span.
>Oled tablet is likely larger than the average eink
Are you including price tags in that? Comparing averages is retarded. The large e-ink tablets have the same size for manga as the large OLED tablets (iPad Pro, Samsung Galaxy Ultra) once you account for aspect ratio.

>>106924131 (OP)
>grandma has some truly ancient e-ink tablet
>eyesight is shit and she's increasingly strugging to read on it
>buy her the newest BW kindle
>it's barely any better
BW e-ink has stagnated for over a decade, shoulda just bought an ipad

>>106931170
The small einks for reading books may cost 150€, or less if you count in amazon subsidies.
The large tablet sized einks cost around 500€ so theres no price advantage, they still rely on the taiwanese patens which drives up cost?
The shit tier tablets can cost around 100-200€ but they are larger than same cost einks

>>106931196
Do you think OLED has no patents attached? Samsung is the only company making the smaller panels and LG the only one making the TV sized ones.
A 13" e-ink tablet is cheaper than an OLED tablet of the size and there's practically no real competition from LCD tablets.
There's no reason to get the cheapest garbage available.

>>106931241
honor magicpad 2 is prob cheapest or some samsung s9 on sale
but there you're paying extra for the much better display, and if you settle for lcd its a different price range

>>106924144
reading outside with one of these things with the brightness set to 0 is so kino

>>106931259
>but there you're paying extra for the much better display,
With a lower resolution and poor performance in daylight? Not to mention the display size of a manga page will be noticeably smaller.
And you can't even hold them properly because of the tiny bezel.

>>106931307
> Not to mention the display size of a manga page will be noticeably smaller.
thats no an issue, its only a problem when your screen is too small and have hard time seeing the page elements

at home you can use a tablet holder

>>106931335
If it's below B5 size then it is too small. JIS B5 is the size manga is intended for.

For me, it's the Kobo Clara Colour.