Thread 106932209

WTF is wrong with KDE?

>>106932209 (OP)
By looking at their interface just once, any person with mental illnesses of only mild to medium severity can tell the freetards who make KDE are literally eyeballing everything, with very little professional thought devoted to actually justifying their UI design choices.

>>106932209 (OP)
im involved in KDE and ill tell you exactly what happened.
- Nate and his buddies started a company around the valve contract so they now see themselves as apple level, since he never shuts up about his time at apple and think they can dictate what we all do
- Nate literally told me to either use Kirigami (shitty libadwaita-like kde library) over qtwidgets or step down with no drama
- They are doing meetings constantly on the design and half of us want to keep the design as is while the other half wants to chase gnome because "it gets praised for its design constantly and we dont"
- There's talk behind the scenes on moving to CSD-like workflow by placing widgets in the decorations so they are half csd half ssd
- everything gets rounder and rounder and with more menu buttons every release

>>106932300
>everything gets rounder and rounder and with more menu buttons every release
noticed that too, the roundness level is now at what libadwaita had on its first release

>>106932300
This is Apple at its most retarded
Tog needs to beat him with a foam noodle until he sees the error of his ways
Move up to a baseball bat if that doesn’t work

>>106932300
>Kirigami
Is that what it's called? I fucking hate that shit. It sticks out like a sore thumb in my custom theme. The GNOME-ification of KDE must stop

>>106932209 (OP)
>>106932232
>>106932300
Post the whole picture and it becomes obvious that some of the menu items have checkboxes which are in that column. This has been a Qt feature for decades.
Feetfag menus on the other hand make zero sense.

>>106932348
you either havent updated since 2004 or are retarded, call it

>>106932356
It's still an issue with the latest Evince.

>>106932300
So they dont even know why it's so ugly? Hilarious!

>>106932209 (OP)
There's a checkbox somewhere offscreen, which is what that column is for.
Nice try OP.

I always think Windows fucking sucks and KDE can look so cool but then you try KDE and you get raped by the shittiest UX in the universe with twice as many weird unique ass toolkit styles. OpenBox, XFCE and LXQt look the most cohesive to me.

>>106932390
WTF is that?

>>106932418
zoom

>>106932429
buttons over a menu item? that is pleb tier

>>106932300
Why don't they just use GNOME if it's so good. What a bunch of retards.

>>106932387
https://discuss.kde.org/t/does-kde-need-to-hire-professional-designers-ui-looks-outdated/39966
this post sent them to a total braindeath
they even locked and hid it from the forum

>>106932300
tell us some stories from kde 3.5 and the transition to 4 etc. days
what do you think of trinity?

Have they fixed the bug where clicking the separator closes the menu yet?

>>106932385
evice is literally deprecated, just because the number gets bumped automatically it doesnt mean it has been updated since 2000
they made papers https://flathub.org/en/apps/org.gnome.Papers

>>106932469
The thing is that these niggers always consider anything not wasting tons of space with padding and rounded corners and hiding any complexity behind gigantic fucking hamburger menus as outdated. Sorry I don't like my desktop to be some fisher-price smartphone garbage thank you very much.

>>106932348
>german
blue systems employee detected

>waaaaaa I don't like it, make it look better
>how?
>idk, make it more modern and shit

>>106932493
have you seen kirigami? it's literally that, paddings and hamburger menus. KDE LOVES that, they just cant make it look good

>>106932418
That's literally nothing
>>106932390
WTF is THIS?

>>106932538
kde is so fucking ugly

>>106932518
The settings app is made in Kirigami and it doesn't have overly much padding or gigantic rounded corners and the hamburger menu only holds a few pretty unimportant items.

>>106932538
it's called a tooltip

>>106932538
I took that screenshot while hovering over that menu item. The cursor just wasn't captured. It's a tooltip. You might know them from literally every desktop ever since Windows 95.

>>106932510
>modern
Anyone who says this gets it completely wrong. It's not about muh modern. KDE looks janky as fuck. It's unprofessional. Compare it with Windows 95, which doesn't look modern, but it absolutely looks professional.

>>106932566
imo kde is too information dense
every program is like using a DAW

>>106932576
This. It needs more padding and rounded corners. It should look like my bubbly smartphone.

>>106932488
>still can't rotate a document to the left

>>106932651
ctrl+right 3 times

>>106932651
>>106932677
or just ctrl + left
retards

>>106932689
>>106932677
Why is it not in the fucking menu, retards?

>>106932584
The KDE devs certainly seems to thing so. Which is a shame since there are so many more things they could easily alter to make things look better. Like better contrast, less overuse of pointless icons everywhere, a less busy looking symbolic icon theme, less overuse of pointless borders everywhere, less schizophrenic use of rounded vs sharp corners, less attention grabbing and more consistent use of accent colors, less random transparency

>>106932755
>muh consistency
Windows 95 was far less consistent than Windows 3.x and yet performed much better on actual usability studies.
Stop copying fagOS, it is NOT great from an usability standpoint.

>>106932779
Well, if you want KDE to turn into modern Windows with random designs stretching back 20 years that's fair. Personally I don't. I think Windows looks like shit.

>>106932860
Most of KDE is using the same principles as classic Win32. Modern windows is also dogshit.

>>106932750
menu > rotate

>>106932883
Yes, it can rotate to the right. If you want to rotate to the left, you have to open the menu 3 times and click the rotate to right, which is fucking bullshit.

>>106932755
kde is the best looking ui of any major os. please don't try to infect it with your filth.

>>106932929
I'm so glad I have working eyes. Being blind seems awful.

>>106932937
i love to meet a fellow kde user in the wild

>>106932418
>press shift for more
Consolecuck GUI LOL

I have to use this piece of shit at work. It is awful but I forget about it once I open the engineering EDA tools which are 10x worse in that regard.

>>106932209 (OP)
KDE looks like the old clunky linux but slightly updated to resemble Windows a bit.
It's usable but some parts are clearly not done properly.
And people shit on Ubuntu (with Gnome) but it's by far the most polished UI out of the box.
Turns out that having an actual significant number of devs paid to polish it pays off. Instead of hobbyists doing it in their spare time
I mean I don't like the idea, I'd rather not have to depend on a company, but at least it's not Pajeetsoft

>>106935271
> Most polished
Polished in what metric, sucking ass?

>>106935436
UI
The windows, the file manager, everything is done in the same style and it has proper cohesive design. Nothing looks janky. Animations are even better than on Windows.

Now I can't guarantee that what you install from other sources will look the same..

>>106932209 (OP)
modern toolkits are a mistake. We would already be a yotld if we just keep upgrading gnome2/kde3
and keep on updating x11

>>106935603
at*

I can't explain why, but KDE and everything about its defaults look ugly. The UI isn't dated or foreign, but something about the colors and icons used and the layout of its apps and menus is simply off-putting. Even >>106935603 is more pleasing to the eye than KDE's defaults despite being based on 20yo ideas that nowadays can be considered questionable (like having three toolbars + title bar).

>>106932300
>Nate
I hate that faggot so much you wouldn't believe. Whenever people complain that now almost all KDE apps have the menu bar hidden by default, at first he pretends you enabled a global menu widget, then he'll just hide behind "oh the apps hide the menus by default, you can >temporarily< enable them with Ctrl+M" and shutting down everyone who wants a global reversion of this hamburger menu madness. We're on a desktop environment, for fuck's sake, hamburger menus are for phonefaggots.

>>106932518
>paddings and hamburger menus.
>they just cant make it look good
hamburger menus will NEVER look good.

>>106932209 (OP)
>>106932390
>>106932418
>>106932538
which fucking faggot decided it was a good idea to have menu icons for checkbox/radio items?

>>106932469
kde6 is such a fucking downgrade, and they wonder why kubuntu is still on kde5... my fucking sides

>>106932209 (OP)
Lol, imagine a world where a dropdown menu having equally sized margins is a problem XD

https://thelibre.news/the-future-of-kde-styling-and-design/
This article explains some of the reasons why KDE sucks UI-wise. The tl;dr is that KDE is a Windows-tier clusterfuck of implementations that do the same thing that make having a cohesive design difficult.

>Firstly, we have Plasma Styles. These only apply to Plasma, your shell, and everything else completely ignores it.

>They are implemented via SVG files, which have benefits and drawbacks. Mostly drawbacks. Sure, they might be very easy to make, lots of people know how to use SVG, but they are very hard to maintain, they not very fast - because you have to render out entire images - and there's no easy way to expose configuration options.

>Which is why you will see the SVGs to be full of these little colorful blocks that are not actually displayed anywhere, but the parser checks whether they exist or not to know whether to turn on and off a certain flag. It's a bit hacky and overall I don't like it.

>Next up we have Application Styles. They are directly used by all QtWidget applications, which is the type of UI toolkit used by apps such as Dolphin and Gwenview.

>Application Styles are written in C++ and have to be compiled to be used. The only way to get them is either by, well, compiling them yourself, or if they're shipped in your preferred package manager. On top of that, they're extremely, extremely difficult to make. There are a few third party projects out there who try to branch off Breeze, but starting from scratch is not something you can just do.

>To repeat: Application Styles, which are actually called QStyles, apply on QWidget applications; whereas QtQuick Control styles apply to QML applications.

>Kvantum is an Application Style which - to put it very simply - converts a SVG file to a style. Basically, it draws an SVG on the screen. You're again missing out on performance by choosing this, but it does make it much, much easier to create custom Application styles.

>>106936598

>But then we have QtQuick Control styles. Many KDE applications, like Discover, are not written in QtWidgets, but in QML, a markup language that has its own style. (Of course it has).

>To repeat: Application Styles, which are actually called QStyles, apply on QWidget applications; whereas QtQuick Control styles apply to QML applications.

>Well, in order to simplify this whole thing, KDE developed a QtQuick Control style called "Desktop", which uses - bear with me - the QStyle to draw the QtQuick Control style; basically, it uses the same stile that QWidget applications use, but it applies it to QML applications.

>This way, if you select "MS Windows 9x" as your Application Style, all of your KDE applications will use it, regardless of whether they are QtQuick or QWidget ones.

>But this is also hack-ish. It does not work very well; a lot of the UI of QML applications still does not really follow the QtQuick style at all. This is especially noticeable if you use Kvantum; you will really notice how QML apps stick out in a bad way.

>But there's worse (yes, there is). If you decide to switch to Plasma Mobile, you'll find out that mobile applications do not follow the QStyle, but they have their own QtQuick style, written by scratch, and ends up being inconsistent with the other themes.
>Why did we do this? Well - hear me out - the QStyle is software rendered, whereas QtQuick supports hardware acceleration, meaning the former won't be as performant on a mobile phone.

>So, this is the situation. We have three different type of styles (Plasma, QtWidgets, QtQuick), the third of which is inherited by the second one, and the first two are made in completely different ways, and they don't talk to each other…

>>106936602

>But wait, there's worse. There's actually a fifth implementation of the Breeze style, and that's the Breeze theme for GTK. This last one is a GTK theme which tries to resemble Breeze as much as possible, and it's sort of going unmaintained.

>So, if anybody wanted to create a new KDE theme, it would probably take a good year of development to write it from scratch. Which is not ideal.

>It's also an issue for us KDE developers. It means implementing new style changes multiple times over, and if we want to change something in the Application Style then we need to wait years - yes, years - until someone with a deep knowledge of how they work has some time to work on that.

btw they are working on something to make this mess more manageable:

>The core idea is to have an abstraction over the types of style inputs and outputs. I could give Union a SVG theme, or maybe a CSS theme, or maybe a QML theme, or more; all of those input types would then be converted to the same abstract theme type. Union will then implement various theme outputs, such as QtWidgets and QtQuick, which would just read that abstract theme to know what to draw.

>So, potentially you could write QtQuick theme using SVG, or a QtWidget one using CSS, or any other combination that you'd like. Any input can be converted to any output.

>Of course, you wouldn't have the full range of SVG options, or CSS options; it would still be a subset of the functionalities of those markup languages, the subset that we can actually translate to the middle abstract layer.

>>106932300
Foottroon damage control. Give it up old man qt won

>>106932232
I really don't have enough autism to care about tiny choices like that. It woriks, it's similar to what I'm used to, and that's good enough for me.

>>106935693
it's the flat, minimalist design, who ever came up with this needs to be publicly hanged on tv

all these fucking Linux niggers need to do is just copypaste Windows 7 UI and UX principles into their sihtty freetard OS and I'd use it
but noooo, i guess i'm gonna continue using Windows 7 until the end of the universe because no one will ever surpass it
>>106932232
>are literally eyeballing everything
apparently their eyeballs dont even work then
>>106936618
>>106936602
>>106936598
yeah... when you get to this level of spaghetti and bad design choices it's time to just nuke everything and start over

>>106936421
Apple, about 42 years ago

>>106935693
Needs more beige and blue gradients.

>>106937354
Make it look like classic KDE2

It's disjointed. I tried to get used to it before 6 released and got unstable again. What really looks ugly about KDE Plasma in general is the padding. The padding between all elements is just off.
But what pisses me off is this sort of shit. This is a very recent example of what the desktop is like, on X11. At this point I expected the X11 experience to be legacy, but more polished while Wayland was still sort of getting there, but no. I can't just run away from Wayland because I get problems here and there, because on X11 this sort of shit happens. If I have to revert to classic stuff I'd rather at this point use Xfce or Cinnamon.
I'm done with Plasma.

>>106932300
Ah, Nate Higgers, my nemesis.

>>106937354
Go with an aliased font like the Adobe Helvetica Xfont

>>106937354
>>106937726
And also add a menubar to Dolphin as well

>>106937354
xfce does so much better with windows <= xp themes since they dont need the fancy blur shit and they just werk

>>106936405
he is single-handedly destroying KDE because he took the role of the leader in a leaderless project
like we joke about ebussy but he literally only has influence on GTK, he can't touch gnome-shell for example

>>106937764
unfortunately I'll still have to rely on kwin_x11 for lxqt to implement dynamic wallpapers depending on what virtual desktop I'm on, neither openbox nor xfwm seem trivially extensible (and openbox doesn't even support translucency)

>106932209
>Not using kb shortcuts
Wtf is wrong with (You)

>>106932209 (OP)
Show a screenshot of the whole menu, so that we can see what goes into this space, you disingenuous vermin. You cut it off exactly before the first item that has a checkbox there.

Everybody who replies after this post is a pedophilic troon

>>106932493
This is conseqence of hiring print people, because in print wasting space is a sign of wealth.

>>106932300
fake and gay

>>106937354
SOVL

This thread and its posters exist only to prove one simple point.
Autistics will argue about literally anything. And they will do it endlessly. They will bitch moan and complain over things so small they are beyond the notice or concern of functioning adult humans.
And most of all NOTHING is too petty to bitch about.

>>106936618
what I never understood is why is qtwidgets still software rendered and why is there no qstyle editor? The work should have been done by qt but they always want to push qml instead. Gtk instead invested in the revamp even if their vision looks garbage.

>>106938980
It's not autistics, it is literally redd*t behavior as all heck.

>>106932300
I WAS RIGHT YET AGAIN BUT YOU FAGGOTS WON'T EVER LISTEN
(((GUHNOME))) IS SABOTAGING THE LOONIX DESKTOP
EBUSSY IS A MOSSAD PLANT
Live free or die.

>>106932209 (OP)
huh. Never noticed. Typically I hide menu bars.

>>106932209 (OP)
Yeah, it's unfortunate that KDE has the only functional file manager. I like using Cinnamon but their file manager gets crushed when you have a lot of files. The Gnome one is just retarded.

>>106937042
>copypaste Windows 7 UI and UX principles
Linux Mint Cinnamon
>still using Windows 7
Yeah I get 7 was good, but wouldn't you rather use something that's still supported? Does newly released software even run on Windows 7 anymore?

>>106939570
have you tried pcmanfm-qt by any chance?

>>106939570
what? dolphin shits the bed when i try to move a lot of files.

>>106935271
Gnome is literally tablet/phone gui ported to pc.
Its only makes sense to use if you are zoomer with nostalgia boner and touch screen monitor.

>>106932209 (OP)
>WTF is wrong with KDE?
Sepples and Qt. The only people who praise them are those who never actually worked with them.

>>106932902
What a princess.

>>106935167
There are companies that actually use KDE?

>>106939735
nta, I keep Krusader around for shit like that

>>106937042
>all these fucking Linux niggers need to do is just copypaste Windows 7 UI and UX principles into their sihtty freetard OS and I'd use it
No. Aero is the worst looking GUI ever made. It's impractical, computationally bloated and visually bloated.

Even Windows 10 out of the box looks better.

>>106938980
You are smarter than everyone else.

>>106932300
I suspected as much. The cancer spreads.

>>106938980
No, normalfags are manchildren, who view govt as their mommy and daddy, this is why they thought that experimental and rushed dangerous type of genetherapy was safe and effective.

>>106932333
>The GNOME-ification of KDE must stop
Seriously. If people want GNOME, they'd just use fucking GNOME. The fact that they're not using GNOME might hint at, you know, them not wanting everything to be like GNOME. Because otherwise they'd be using GNOME.

>>106936598
It's their own fault for adding that stupid bullshit in the cluster fuck that was KDE4. Should have kept everything as actual Qt widgets, as in KDE3 and before.

>>106936602
>But there's worse (yes, there is). If you decide to switch to Plasma Mobile, you'll find out that mobile applications do not follow the QStyle, but they have their own QtQuick style, written by scratch, and ends up being inconsistent with the other themes.
>Why did we do this? Well - hear me out - the QStyle is software rendered, whereas QtQuick supports hardware acceleration, meaning the former won't be as performant on a mobile phone.

It's almost as if phone OSes and Desktop OSes are different and should not be mashed together into a single OS.

>>106940010
right now I'm waiting for TDE to get packaged for Devuan Excalibur, I wanna check it out

*krashes*

>>106939783
>Gnome is literally tablet/phone gui ported to pc.
What makes you say so?

>>106932348
The bug can't be reproduced.
Issue closed.
Free palestine.

>>106932300
>- They are doing meetings constantly on the design and half of us want to keep the design as is while the other half wants to chase gnome because "it gets praised for its design constantly and we dont"
Uh HELLO? Based KDE department?!!
Fucking finally. Maybe will make me switch.

>>106932300
>gnome
>it gets praised for its design constantly and we dont
Have they been huffing ebussy's farts recently?

>>106940489
It's true, though.
GNOME looks really nice. KDE is a mismatch of different styles that don't look nor feel like the same ecosystem. Ironically, like windows, but windows users use windows because they have no alternative, and kde users have alternatives...

>>106932469
>To me and many others in the community, the UI feels somewhat dated—almost like it’s carrying a 90s look and is very chaotic—while other operating systems and desktops (e.g. GNOME) feel more modern and polished. Most likely because they have professional designers while KDE doesn’t.
wtf is his problem?

>>106932209 (OP)
pajeetware

>>106940520
>KDE is a mismatch of different styles that don't look nor feel like the same ecosystem
no it isn't

>>106937256
Nice

>>106932209 (OP)
If this is such a problem, then what about the margin on the right side of the menu? Y'know, the one next to Ctrl+Z, Ctrl+C, and things like that?...

Just install Hyprland, you twat!

>>106932300
>Source: Trust me bro

>>106932209 (OP)
There be checkboxes below.
>>106932232
Still the best.
>>106932300
>Kirigami (shitty libadwaita-like kde library)
Is it not even more cucked?
>while the other half wants to chase gnome because "it gets praised for its design constantly and we dont"
NO
PLEASE DO NOT EVER FUCKING DO THIS
The entire appeal to me is it's the closest thing to something from 15 years ago I can get. Is nice. I don't want to use fucking xfeces.
I mean le foot is still somehow better than macOS' idiocy but it's still really quite close to it.
>- everything gets rounder and rounder and with more menu buttons every release
I'm not too bothered by minor aesthetic shit like this. As long as elements are consistent and defined it is fine, that is how low the standard has fallen.

>>106935693
>The UI isn't dated or foreign, but something about the colors and icons used and the layout of its apps and menus is simply off-putting.
That's just your sheer unrelenting faggotry acting up you fuckin faggot

>>106939586
>gtk3
gross

>>106937434
What are you trying to show? The shadow clips off at the corners?

>>106936598
>Windows-tier clusterfuck of implementations that do the same thing
You either do this or you get GNOME.

>>106932300
I'm actually involved in KDE and you're a LARPing faggot.

>>106940162
love 'seki

>>106944574
is this you with blue hair?

>>106932209 (OP)
That's what you get when you think there's a use case

>>106932300
KDE has looked like ass from Plasma 4 and onwards.

The fact that your "designers" don't know how to align text or hint typefaces properly is a fatal issue.

>>106943416
gayland compositors don't support accessibility features on purpose (and you get b& if you bring it up), so I literally need X (Xlibre)

>>106941663
post beef :)

>>106948307
NXGK2

>>106932209 (OP)
I don't know but the font spacing/kerning is all sorts of unreadable.
This is not related to a specific distro or desktop environment. They are all shit and this is why even 25 years later (2000 was the real year of linux desktop) no one at home really wants to use linux outside of making a political statement.
Default fonts what they are shipping with these b.s. environments are horrible.
Same goes for Linux Mint etc.
Bunch of blind faggots.

>>106932300
>Make up a story
>Use things that actually happened and mix them together with false information and wrong context.

>>106950181
I just set font antialiasing to grayscale and font hinting to max... windows could never.

>>106946482
>b&
Bat?

>>106946482
>>106951258
wait nevermind I'm retarded, I can't read

>>106932348
>Evince
Baby duck.

>>106945409
Yes that's actually me kek

>>106951773
you will never be a woman.

>>106952524
YWNBAM

>>106932300
>gnome because "it gets praised for its design constantly and we dont"
lol
lmao even

>>106932300
>gnome [...] gets praised for its design

KDE is just a butt ugly clusterfuck. I'd rather use Xfce, at least that is consistent in its design.

Now I get why the only insult KDEtards have against GNOME is >no features lol
Ah yes, GNOME is fucking dogshit because it doesn't have a billion different little useless menus and customizable items (that you'll never give a shit about anyway).

>>106953777
Show one (1) good KDE Desktop. I'll wait.

>>106958864
I can't show you something that is good when you are inherently biased as to what "good" even is. Everything is terrible to you, nothing I like will ever be good to you!

>>106932300
>half of us want to keep the design as is
and people think corpos are secretely sabotaging FOSS shit

>>106959780
Not that anon, but Hyprland has ones that mog GNOME even in animation and notification integration (which kinda makes me want to switch to it, even though I think tiling bullshit is overrated), but I have yet to see a tasteful KDE desktop in 20 years.

>>106937354
This is a crude mockery of Windows 9x.

not my problem. just works on my machine. ohpee is a phaggot

>>106937702
Jate Hews is worse

>>106932300
i thought u were baiting but its real
KDE 6.5 released today and one of the main features is "more rounded corners"

>>106960651
>toy wm for the unemployed unixporn retards

>>106958864
You asked first, go ahead and show me a good GNOME and I will do the same with KDE if you succeed. (you wont)

>>106932348
this made me laugh


you cant win with linux. you either use gnome which sucks balls and has no features or you use kde which just crashes fucking nonstop


oh wait you can win xfce4 has wayland support now...


retvrn to (((rat)))

>>106961793
To be fair both KDE and Gnome crash a lot, KDE just does it nonstop.
And if something isn't crashing, there's usually some dumb GPU glitch going on.

>>106937726
what?

>>106944435
>kdetrannies are literally blind to bugs
holy shit i thought it was a meme

>>106941663
no way this is real

>>106961163
Not that guy, but I personally like how the ZorinOS guys tweaked GNOME. It has other preconfigured layouts besides this Windows-like one, but IMO they waste more space.

>>106961054
honestly just disturbing

>>106963028
what is the usecase of everything being round

>>106963582
Normalfags fell for marketing stunts again and now think having round corners is modern, so many UIs are implementing it. One of KDE 6.5's novelties is having round corners (that can be disabled).

>>106963028
they went full headerbar
never go full headerbar

>install cinnamon
>it just werks
bliss

>>106937042
>when you get to this level of spaghetti
Your oh-so-beloved Windows 7 was pretty much there kek.
They did a decent enough job of keeping it together at least, until 10 (we don't talk about 8) that is.
Vista kept it together better still. A nice evolution over XP's fisher price shit.
>it's time to just nuke everything and start over
Start contributing to LXQt my nigger.
That is pure cpp QtWidgets as far as I know. Oh but that too has separate qss theming for the panel and its applets, although you can pick the system theme and it suddenly looks like straight up fucking ASS when you do.

>>106944475
KDE3 was pure QWidgets and look at what the fuck people did with that. GNOME2 was pure GTK2 and look at what the fuck people did with that. It wasn't like this.
Also I fiddled with GTK3 theming a little bit myself. A lot of themes a lot of the time will literally specify custom theming for particular applications. That's how you get that nice looking sidebar in nautilus from some of em. It is such a mess too.
Theming is basically dead in this day and age. Best we can do is color scheme customization like Windows Classic did it. KDE does that flawlessly, libadwaita does that and then some.