Thread 106949972

Indian visa holder fraud is worse than you think

You know the pajeet demonic scriptures encourage stealing right?

>>106949972 (OP)
It's insane that jeets up make 80% of all H1Bs. Not even China or Europe collectively comes close. If you banned jeets H1Bs would actually be undersubscribed

>>106950247
Halting all Visas is the only solution, or blocking all indians.

>They collect resumes, DOBs, SSNs, and Green Card copies from U.S. citizens
How are recruiters collecting all this info from people just at the application step of applying for a job? Do people actually give their DOB and SSN to a company just when submitting a resume? Maybe this is more common in pure tech companies, but I've worked in banking for 9 years across credit unions, municipal banks, and sub-corporate at a national bank and never once been asked for any of this until after I was actually hired and submitting paperwork for payroll.

>>106950301
Please fill out the full application for the job sir. Redeem the Apply button now.

Is this just some guy on social media running his mouth or is there any actual proof here of something on a massive scale that can be followed up?

>>106950247
Its not really that surprising. Consider that jeets come from a company that was colonized by English speakers for more than a century and since their independence has the combination of both a fuckload of people, horrible poverty in certain places, and technological training for some as a way out of horrible shitty poverty (though the poorest are not the ones getting fucked over - there's a reason that Bangalore and Hyderabad were major tech cities and IIT and others were centralized on tech jobs) Now you add that because of the aforementioned , India was one of the first outsourcing locations for remote customer service and technical support, for the past decades. So you've got the rich Indians who speak English coming to the US or UK etc..and then opening consulting/outsourcing/H1B firms for people back there.

The whole thing isn't surprising. Fuck, we've been joking for well over a decade about DURGASOFT SIR and every day his company was teaching a classroom of like 200+ Indians jam packed in, not counting remote . The meme of Indian technical support or call center work goes back to the 90s and Apu from The Simpsons was said to be an early punch card programming pioneer at IIT, so now 30 years later we're seeing this shit continue isn't surprising.

>What to do about it?
>>106950275
No, its not. The only thing we need to do is actually crack down on the corporations who permit this shit. H1B are supposed to be for high skill workers needed for jobs that can't be filled by Americans because there just aren't enough etc... but since the beginning they've been used as a way for corpos for
>I just can't find anyone local I can hire...at the pittance I want to pay!
This is the crux of the issue; we can fix H1B frad itself once we fix H1Bs being used for profiteering billionaires.

>>106950301
There's also the issue that this should mean a huge percentage of identity theft. All the real people those SSNs and DOB and other ID parameters come from should be getting a big giant fucking tax bill saying that you were paid tens of thousands of dollars working at JeetTech, SanFrancisco or JeetTech, Bangalore which should raise some questions ASAP. I agree that most resumes should not have that info on it. THe only way I figure that some shitty online resume / Indeed / Monster etc..style shit could use it would be to either scam people saying that they've been accepted and they need to add such info for step 2 of the hiring process or something, but that should lead to big red flags from the company. Anyway while i'm sure that H1B bullshit and "in-sourcing" happens, the way this is phrased by some fucking Xhitter screenshot looks suspect.

Lazy timmy can do nothing but bitch.
The reality is when timmy can no longer steal from other countries, other countries flourish and he dies of a drug overdose on a street somewhere.

we are cooked because the corporations profit from undercutting US IT workers

the only way forward is letting the Indians take the entire industry and watching it fall while we build a parallel tech stack only for white people

>>106949972 (OP)
>>106950347
What you retards don't understand is that nepotism is not an issue but a symptom. Symptom of a larger and bigger issue which is lack of innovation and stagnant economy.

If you were owner of a company and had a really harsh competition on the market would you employ:
>the best candidate
>your cousin

The idea is that with low wage workforce the economy overlords will drive up the middle/upper class to not be a mooching stagnant class that lives off old wins.

>>106950587
No, corporations profit from productivity. What they don't profit from is little timmy filming tiktoks of their lunches or trips to the break room.
It's a competitive world, either work hard or end up poor.

>>106950646
this is incorrect when the government prints money and enforces DEI policy.
all of the "productivity" is laundered by throwing 5 jeets at the same position that 1 American could do on their own

>>106950442
The Department of labour has been aware for the last 5 years of this total visa fraud and has done nothing. They've created task force "firewall" but what has it accomplished?

They're looking to bandaid the problem rather than resolve the actual issue.
Consider teh fact that India is a BRICS representative and doesn't have our nations security in mind, why are we being purposely ignorant of the reality that it's a foreign nation actively sabotaging us worse than China or Russia?

>>106950587
>corporations profit from undercutting US IT workers
I don't have the meme handy, but there's a huge list of companies destroyed by outsourcing/insourcing to Indians.
Boeing is a recent case, but it's been happening for a long time.
It seems stupid on the surface, but it could be that combining massive shorts with golden parachutes is netting the executives absurd amounts of money.

>>106950811
>combining massive shorts with golden parachutes is netting the executives absurd amounts of money.
On the other hand, that's illegal, but how often does it even get enforced as long as you play ball?

>>106950646
>>106950704
>Money printing, DEI
None of those are the issue, much less the causative one. The main issue is that company "productivity" doesn't mean innovation or any of the things that we usually associate with that kind of success. Sure those things CAN be profitable, but in an economic system where the only thing that matters at the C-level is perpetual increasing stock prices and other metrics of eternal growth (which is unsustainable), you have plenty of other ways to make money which aren't great for the company or society but are still profitable.

Consider all the vulture capitalism firms that buy out lower priced companies for one reason or another - not to turn around and make them profitable, but rather to cut the staff, sell the equipment, plunder whatever IP can be leveraged, and basically pick the bones on their way out the door. Everyone working at the company, its products, its former customers etc...get fucked over, but the balance sheet is a major win for the C-levels and investor class and then they do it again.

With jeets, much like outsourcing its a race to the bottom - in many companies from most industries paying the best of the best workers, especially in IT (we have so many data breaches as infrastructure maintenance of any sort is seen as wasteful and put off) isn't going to be explained to their stockholders as a direct connection to line-go-up . So why not pay a few Indians 1/5 what you'd pay an American to do the same job? You look like you're saving money and as long as they look "good enough", all the stakeholders are happy.

>>106950786
They need to take bigger actions I agree, but its not BRICS, its local corpos who want to pay less; just like farm workers and meat packers with illegal immigrant jobs. These could be curtailed but it means forcing corpos to pay fair wages and not have the varying perpetual slave underclasses from which to pick and pay less than a legit worker

>>106950811
this is my view of it as well. the US worker is just collateral as dickhead executives who are well aware of the consequences of jeetification end up profiting off of it as companies lose competitive advantages over the long term. IBM is probably the best example of this, my company hired these retards to build us a blockchain backend for a POS system to reduce fraud and they ended up having to subcontract almost all of the work to Accenture, who I imagine were all 1099s.
>>106950825
it's illegal but it uses the incorrect basis of "equality" as a shield to defend the action. anyone accusing an executive of this immediately gets labeled as a racist, don't you know the Indians are the best at IT anon?

>>106950935
They are the causative issue to a dysfunctional capitalist system, in a proper system the price discovery of those stocks isn't damaged by 401k passive inflows, the expansion of M2 via things like PPP loans, SNAP benefits increasing the demand on groceries, DEI lowering productive deliverable quality and quantity, etc.

Fix the money, and the market corrects itself very quickly because it's easier for people to realize they are getting scammed. None of the companies that have adopted the Indian labor model would be able to compete without the H-1B system and the complementary NGO apparatus that supports the actual workers. Indians simply aren't productive enough to justify hiring without such an insane amount of additional money coming from political organizations.

The "race to the bottom" you're speaking of is because it's easier to launder low-skill workers in tech positions than it is other positions, because the deliverables/services to the customer are usually reliant on 20-30% of the actual people employed. This was how Elon was able to fire most of the Twitter staff and still have a relatively stable platform, most of those workers didn't actually contribute to running the site.

unemployed timmycel seethe thread

>>106951311
I think you have it backward. Blaming the PPP or SNAP (which is laughable to increase the price of groceries considering that there are so many exclusions and the amount of money per person is so little it isn't likely to cover a month's food normally, even before benefits being cut and not aligning with inflation etc), DEI doesn't lower anything etc.

The market isn't correcting because of the dysfunctional capitalist system in that it is dysfunctional because it is capitalist; this is the natural end point without constantly pushing back against private business interests by govt's and why countries in the Nordic Model for example are doing better by their citizens because they are more willing to intercede against the whims of capital. Now, there is a bigger issue about the value of an economic system you have to consistently shackle lest it grind human well being into massive inequality benefiting a few at the cost to the many, but that's a bigger questions.

The Indian labor model, or the cheap Mexican undocumented farm workers, or any other sort of cheap labor are being pushed by the owners of capital, the corporations doing the hiring who stand to benefit. This doesn't take "political organizations or "NGOs" , its simply in a market where there is no sufficient penalty from hiring illegally one way or another, you're going to do it to compete with everyone else doing it, and the whole race to the bottom continues. This goes double for factors like IT where all people care about is if X works or not, and having the very best engineer getting paid $250,000/year doesn't justify some MBA's boner over hiring a $50,000/year H1B if it appears to "work" equally well. Now down the line its poorly documented bullshit will crash and it will be harder to fix , but that's a problem for the next quarter and they get rewarded for the gains to this one.

>Twitter
You must be joking. Elon hired most people back after it went to shit.

>>106950610
What you don't understand is that Gresham's law makes it a self reinforcing cycle. Nepotism drives out innovation and creates a stagnant economy.

>>106950935
>>106951588
it's all just grift and scams
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN0LK5GumLA

get rid of all of the government contracts and these people will fail immediately

>>106951675
>>106951675
>DEI doesn't lower anything etc.
you can't be serious. DEI damages the ability of the market to discover the true price of labor because it coerces business relationships. If you can't fire someone because they are black and that would be racist you are being coerced into keeping an employee you wouldn't normally keep.

This means the business owner is paying for a non-productive employee and lowering the wages of everyone else that works at the company because the salary that is going to the bad worker is never redistributed to the other workers as bonuses or given to someone that works efficiently which makes the other workers have an easier workload.

>Nordic Model for example are doing better by their citizens because they are more willing to intercede against the whims of capital
America is not ethnocentric, a system of capitalism is the only mode of production we can succesfully implement, socialism only works within homogeneous populations.

>>106949972 (OP)
BTW LinkedIn as an organization itself is complicit in doing these jeet identify fraud scams

>>106951588
>>106950542
Trolling outside of /b/ but these are left alone since the tranny jannies on nu/g/ hate white men

>uses chatgpt to write the entire twitter post
>torpedoes the validity of the claim instantly

>>106950301
They don't. GPT hallucinated things that don't happen and blue checkmark mcfaggotroon reposted it on his twitter account without fact checking the retarded chat bot.

>>106951897
This. You cannot be pro workers rights and seriously argue for price of labor collective bartering and whatnot while being pro immigration let alone pro direct outsourcing. H1B programs are fundamentally the same as outsourcing. What every shitlib in the 2000's seethed about Ford doing is what every company importing hordes of retarded brown golems as drone class is doing now. The two ideas pro immigration and pro workers rights are immediately diametrically opposed. As mentioned in the post the only time there is clean play between capital and workers is when there is a homogeneous population that isn't being actively replaced or outsourced.

The reason companies are so big on pushing ai is that even with all of the problems and hallucinations, it's smarter than the average techjeet. so they can get away with hiring even fewer jeets.

>>106952801
Wrong, the only reason the Government is pushing AI is because it's the only thing maintaining growth, without it the stock market would crash and it would signify a recession which would snowball harder. It's the biggest pump in history keeping us afloat.

>>106952826
rajucel is mad he might be out of a job soon

>>106950247
>>106950275
we need an indian exclusion act

>>106951759
Government contracting scams and shell corps are another issue, but they're often there specifically because of corporate regulatory capture. Think about it, its the reason that since the New Deal and the post- WWII boom, the time when there was the most direct gov't work and contracts there were were much stricter, there has been constant attempts to get in the pockets of legislators in order to weaken gov't doing things right (ie see Nixon removal of the Dept of the Post Office funded by taxpayer dollars and well functioning, because UPS and FedEx cried since they couldn't compete with a public utility) so they can sell the alternative. This is commonplace and sped up big time during Reagan and has been running downhill ever since; Citizens' United was basically the biggest giveaway to corporate graft possible and was the next major step forward accelerating the descent.

In any event, this is not a phenomena that is limited to gov't contracts as we're talking with farm worker and meat packer illegals, or H1Bs (in fact, there are lots of gov't contract jobs that can't be done by H1Bs because of clearance requirements among other shit) , the private sector is the focal point of many of these issues and would continue even if somehow all govt contracts ended tomorrow, unless we fixed the core issue.

>>106951897
The use of DEI as some magic buzzword from /pol/yps on which to blame everything is inaccurate. Specific policies are the problem and some of them are shitty (another discussion) , but in the context we're talking about here (H1B from India and China primarily, Hispanic undocumented labor in farm/factory/hospitality/etc settings etc) are so far from the issue. Nobody talks about how they can't fire Deepinder because of DEI, but because corpo doesn't want to pay twice as much for a local engineer who isn't afraid to argue for better pay and benefits because his employer doesnn't control his visa. Out of roo

>>106952882
>companies claim they're switching to "Ai"
>Layoff 900 americans
>hire 1000 h1b jeets
>Line goes up

Mexican here,
The minimum wage here is 444 usd per month, and indeed, they are hiring…

>>106952960
the video I posted is literally a DEI scam where a "Native American" owns a company and then is immediately given a contract simply for being a feather indian and then contracts the work out to white people. DEI and regulatory capture are literally the same thing.

the core issue is that you are privileging one set of workers over another. With DEI you're doing it because of someone's gender or skin color. With hiring H1Bs it's that + a guaranteed job because you're willing to be paid less to leave your shithole country.

You are forced to hire Deepinder because it is racist and against the law NOT TO. Because it is POLICY. If you've ever tried to run a company you would understand that you don't get to pick people based on their race, that's the exact crux of the reason why DEI is bad, because it fundamentally damages the labor price discovery process by introducing a coercive relationship between the employer and employee. The company owner is forced to hire Shaniqua and Rajiv who may or may not be productive compared to their wage. The difference between Rajiv and Shaniqua is that Shaniqua can't be fired easily because its racist to fire a black woman. Both of them contribute to a "diversity quota" because they are not white males.

Rajiv can be fired but won't be simply because he is useful to suppress the wages of Tom, Dick and Harry (most of the time they are paid such a low amount that the immediate hire of Rajiv justifies the lack of pay raise for all three of those guys and is less than it would cost to give them raises)

I forgot how annoying arguing with leftists about economics was, thanks for reminding me how retarded and out of touch you fucking people are.

>>106949972 (OP)
why would you give an indian your SSN and DoB?

>>106950301
same

>>106953914
both are required during the I9 process. have you not ever gotten a job before?

>>106950542
>>106951588
GMS!!!

>>106950587
or just ban h1bs and start firing up the SEC and anti trust machine

>>106950646
that's not true at all. there's literally not a single indian on the planet who's good at his job

>>106950811
>>106950825
it's because the compensation structures for anyone who can actually make decisions are based on like go up for the next quarter and they can make line go up more if they cut costs and with like hedge funds, for each point x over y% growth target goal the managing partner gets some obscene amount of money
and if line doesn't go up, then you get fired.
the private equity fuckers do the same shit where they can make more money killing a sick business and selling it for scraps than they can actually running it

>>106954021
If the Indians were as good as they say they are they wouldn't need to move to our countries, we would want to move to theirs.

>>106954071
not everything is private equity
a lot of the reason indians are getting inserted into the US corporations is because the Chinese want to weaken the US.

>>106950935
this, good post
>>106951311
also a good post
>>106951675
this is a bad post.
the finland and sweden are doing really shitty and norway is only doing well because it's snow saudi arabia with their oil
>undocumented
criminal foreign national invader

>>106951897
he's being disingenuous about the nordic thing. finland has massive unemployment issues and norway's model only works because the government sells oil to everyone and they have a tiny pop compared to their oil sales

>>106952631
yeah but dems will argue in favor of immigration and free trade until they are blue in the face because they want as many nonwhites in white countries as possible

>>106952960
the government pays for a lot of the shitty products because they don't give a shit if the software works
>undocummented
criminal alien
also the DEI shit is an issue because blackrock and their pals are holding 401k account money and teachers pension money hostage on the condition companies don't hire whites

>>106953958
yeah, and I've filled those out in person at the company on paper, I didn't give it to some fucking recruiter indian before I got the job. though I wouldn't be shocked if indians stole my ssn at one place I worked. I once got a fraudulent 1099 like 6 years after I stopped working at a company as a W-2

>>106954103
>not everything is private equity
the hedge funds that own major shares in the publicly traded companies have those retarded compensation structures. the wendover commie cocksucker did a vid about it. if you run a hedge fund, which will have public holdings, you get like $60k a year and have a quarterly growth percent you need to hit and if you hit it you get like a $175million bonus.
The only companies that aren't like that are blackrock and the other pension/401k funds. that's why they push dei, because they don't give a fuck about roi on some losers 401k

>>106954254
yeah and how else do you transmit this info during a pandemic?

>>106949972 (OP)
I feel like I should just kill myself, I'm 33 and I don't even know how to code ('cause I've always considered myself dumb and incapable of learning, that's why I work with hardware) yet you're telling me there's literal millions of Indians who not only know how to code but they're also getting hired and promoted without even knowing how to speak proper English.
I'm literally dumber than an Indian, it's over for me.

BharatCHADS, we FUARKING won!