Thread 106954231

Since signal relies on AWS and went down because of it, are there any private messaging apps that don't? Maybe Briar, simpleX?

host xmpp at home with tor

>>106954253
This + Matrix

>>106954253
>>106954266
only neets and trannies use those though.

Matrix is decentralized and resists this kind of outage

>>106954231 (OP)
telegram works fine

>>106954663
telegram would go down if their datacenter went down, it's also shitty

>>106954231 (OP)
Briar, Session, Jami, Simplex, Matrix

In no particular order, these are the current best private messengers. Nothing comes close.

Which exactly is superior is highly debatable, because they all are flawed, each in it's own way. Research each one of them, try them, compare, pick the one that suits you best

>>106954663
>telegram
enjoy your messages being read by that russian twink Durov ;)

>>106954231 (OP)
Yes. It's called pen and paper. You won't find it in the app store.

>>106954663
Telegram isn't private

>>106954699
>enjoy your messages being read by that russian twink Durov ;)
I would rather trust a stoic larper slavic autist than your glowies

>>106954750
ok Pavel, sure I will install your app and send my girl dick pics so that you may enjoy them too :)

Session tbqh.
Durov is sketchy and Telegram servers are hosted in UAE which is essentially an FSB playground.
Matrix meanwhile was created by Amdocs Limited, an Israeli telecommunication corporation that was accused of spying by both the CIA, NSA and the South African intelligence.

>>106954253
I do it with snikket, but it gets confusing as to which xmpp extensions to enable. do u use prosodu, ejabberd, snikket, or something else entirely?

>>106955442
session calls only work like 5% of the time, though. and it sucks for actually messaging because delivery doesnt always go through. message someone and it doesnt go through for 2 hours. lol garbage and a crypto scam on top of that.

>>106954699
session is a loki crypto meme

simplex doesnt even use PFS lol

>>106955759
prosody
XEP-0045: Multi-User Chat: Available
XEP-0054: vcard-temp: Available
XEP-0077: In-Band Registration: Not available
XEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol: Available
XEP-0163: #publish-options: Available
XEP-0191: Blocking Command: Available (urn:xmpp:blocking)
XEP-0198: Stream Management: Available (urn:xmpp:sm:3)
XEP-0258: Security Labels in XMPP: Not available (urn:xmpp:sec-label:0)
XEP-0280: Message Carbons: Available (urn:xmpp:carbons:2)
XEP-0313: Message Archive Management: Not available
XEP-0398: Avatar Conversion: Available
XEP-0411: Bookmarks Conversion: Available
XEP-0402: Bookmarks Compat: Available
XEP-0402: Bookmarks Compat PEP: Available

>>106956626
thanks senpai :)

>>106955938
SimpleX uses PFS. Session doesn't.
But even if you have PFS, as soon as your key (device) is compromised, they're going to have all your old messages anyway.

>>106956626
>available
>Not available
>available
>Not available
Wow, I LOVE fragmentation, installing xmpp and matrix right now

conversations vs. monocles (droid)?

siskin vs monad (ifruit)?

dino vs gaim (troonix)?

>Briar
It's good if you don't need the following
>video calls
>voice calls
>voice messages

The new and upcoming underdog www.tincanapp.org

>>106959491
>XMPP meme
I fucking love FRAGMENTATION!!!!! :)

>>106959759
you would enjoy fragmentation of your anal cavity, wouldn't you?

>>106954231 (OP)
apple push notification service runs on aws. all messaging apps on iphone will stop working when aws is down.

>>106954231 (OP)
Jami

>>106960106
I would indeed, but unfortunately for you, that feature is not implemented in your client

>>106955938
>session is a loki crypto meme
So, what of it? It's encrypted, leaks almost no metadata, and requires no personal information to use. The NSA could be running the servers/"nodes" (they are) and all they'd get about you is how many messages you recieve per day, not even from who

>>106954231 (OP)
host nextcloud and use nextcloud talk
it also supports federation

>>106954663
Telegram isn't private messaging. Authorities are able to see your chats.

wechat.

>>106954231 (OP)
worked fine for me. was just a bit slow at times

>>106959491
conversations
monad
gajim

>>106954266
>let's trust the company who installed spyware in the white house during the clinton admin to make our chat applications without ever looking at the source.
your nose glows so bright, won't you guide my sleigh tonight?

>>106962281
>Authorities are able to see your chats.
they are not

>>106954253
>xmpp
Considered harmful

>>106963360
source?

>>106954231 (OP)
There are probably some that use some other cloud service but in the end you're relying on a third party server unless you're doing something like selfhosting matrix. Which is actually not a terrible idea if you're after independence from third parties. YOU are responsible for uptime though which sucks.

>>106963059
not OP, but doesnt gajim have less security features than dino?

>>106963894
>Which is actually not a terrible idea if you're after independence from third parties.
that's a terrible idea for a mobile device. keeping a connection open to your special snowflake service will kill your battery. both google and apple banned this for apps on their stores.

>>106955759
>Snikket's server component uses Prosody plus a handful of custom modules for specific features
just don't be retarded

>>106963859
soatok.blog/2024/08/04/against-xmppomemo/

>>106963859
just like the orange ledditors anti-pgp stance, much ado about nothing, pushing glowie signal etc

>>106965389
No retard you just poll it every 30 minutes or something

>>106965531
snikket has push that lets your device know when to poll server for notification info (it's not passing content in push like the huge signal fuckup recently), battery life pretty much unaffected

>>106965531
you cannot do this. background processes are restricted and will get killed due to battery considerations.

>>106965549
graphene only calls google's push notification service efficient

>>106965483
this post is retarded from a signal shill furry, also a lot of people have good rebuttals https://www.moparisthebest.com/tim-henkes-omemo-response.txt

>>106965803
who gives a fuck what schizo thinks

>>106965825
that's not much of a rebuttal but just some justification for their retarded choices.
signal's the-ecosystem-is-moving philosophy is the only sane choice.
https://signal.org/blog/the-ecosystem-is-moving/

>>106965549
>it's not passing content in push like the huge signal fuckup recently
signal doesn't do this

>>106965825
yeah the campaign of FUD against xmpp/pgp aimed at normies is absurdly obvious, just use signal bro, ignore that our super secret communicator was sending all our super secret chats in plain text through apple/google push servers all this time, we're safer than omemo/pgp kekke

>>106965927
it used to until the news broke, so all those anti-pgp/omemo shills got their victims, it was a huge honeypot and still is, muh quantum encryption, oops lets send content to push servers in plaintext

>>106965939
>we need to develop quantum encryption
in the meantime my pgp encrypted emails from 20 years ago are still safe while our quantum cracking is full of shit:
>This paper presents implementations that match and, where possible, exceed current quantum factorisation records using a VIC-20 8-bit home computer from 1981, an abacus, and a dog. We hope that this work will inspire future efforts to match any further quantum factorisation records, should they arise.
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2025/07/cheating-on-quantum-computing-benchmarks.html

>>106965939
this never happened. eod.

>>106954547
>neets
awesome then it should work for you
>trannies
two birds one stone?

>>106963342
Telegram doesn't work. I don't use it like that.

Bump

You could always try hosting your own matrix instance.

>>106960316
>apple outsourcing their services when they have unlimited money
grim

>>106954699
>Simplex
https://www.reddit.com/r/SimpleXChat/comments/1n85wsr/whats_simplexs_team_approach_to_csam_and_chat/
>we will comply with chat control, if it passes, but it probably won't so you have nothing to worry about ;) And NO, we will NOT withdraw from the EU like those crazy Signal guys claim that they will.
Do you really think a venture capital funded polish jew will save you? If you do, it's too late for your bloodline.

>>106954231 (OP)
host it yourself

>>106966703
ahhaha

>>106954266
I want to get into matrix, can you recommend a starting point? Linux/Windows?