Thread 106956669

Fola schiit Edition

How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://rentry.org/consoomer_guide

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Case Studies, etc.):
https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/

>/iemg/'s Blog/Wiki (Archive, Books & Papers, Music Editorial, etc.):
https://4ciemg.github.io/IEMGazette/

>Frequency Response Graph Tool
squig.link

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tripowin Ruta10 (Mild V) - $18
• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U) - $22
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim ONE DSP (5 Presets/5-Band PEQ) - $28
• Etymotic ER2XR (Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) $18
• Tanchjim Stargate II (8-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

Previous Thread: >>106942470

reminder that >75% of iemg posters are on transjeet's payola
>+5 avatarfagging transjim anons
>shopping guide contains every transjim pos
>eq guide advertises the bunny
>instantaneous pic posts from official transjim accounts on other platforms

>>106956703
suffering from success

>>106956669 (OP)
Could someone advise which device can be used to input a laptop, PC, and DAP through either single-ended or balanced connections, and then output to either single-ended or balanced connections?

What are the implications for sound quality?

Is there a device that can perform this function and is no larger than an ITX motherboard?

>>106956745
dac / amp.
depending on the model, can offer a variety of inputs and outputs.
narrow down your needs and budget.

>>106956703
I do it for free.
Picrel, using freshly charged NiMH batteries on the f**o'd BTR11 still showed 80% after 5 hours. It showed 40% last time since the batteries were left in the drawer for years.
The original pillowed Li-ion was only 100mAh so I hope that would last at least 3 times longer.

>>106956703
>instantaneous pic posts from official transjim accounts on other platforms
how would you know unless you're also a transjeet keeping up with their accounts? get exposed idiot

>>106956779
>dac / amp.
>depending on the model, can offer a variety of inputs and outputs.
Do you have examples? It must support at least 3 inputs and 1 output.
>narrow down your needs and budget.
I want to route a single-ended connection from my PC, a single-ended connection from my laptop, and a balanced connection from my DAP, followed by another balanced connection to my IEMs or headphones. My budget is $150.

>>106956719
>>106956793
kys disgusting shills
>>106956799
it's called having a suspicion, doing some digging, and uncovering a mass shill astroturfing campaign under our very nose
so yes, i will continue to expose these idiots

>>106956825
>it's called having a suspicion, doing some digging, and uncovering a mass shill astroturfing campaign under our very nose
nice mental gymnastics false flaggot transjeet

>>106956829
kys you falsefagging trashbitch agent, you think you're so smart but i'm on your asses

off to a great start tonight..

>>106956841
nice projection, your gay op was exposed immediately now seethe more

>>106956846
so you're a schizoid psyop retard too, i see that little bitch jim is getting creative
hang yourself with those shitty cables, ynbaw

>>106956860
its so transparent you're starting arguments over troonjim because you want it talked about more in the thread so more people will buy your dogshit overpriced slop

>>106956872
how much are they paying you to act like a stupid slobbering retard?
you see the op shilling their garbage recycled chinkshit, you see the avatarfags posting dogshit, and some terrorist bomb making dumbass, and your first instinct is to go after me?
fix your ai, pay some artists to make non-slop art, and start investing in your iems instead of spending it all on this obvious shill campaign
people are waking up and you're getting scared, hope you die from an od

>>106956889
you're literally so mad your little scheme got exposed, just like your astroturfed kz hate last thread

>>106956889
>terrorist
I just wanted to warn others about f**o bro.

>>106956895
ah it all makes sense now, you're a jeet or pagpag paid shill so you're not loyal to any brand, and you just clocked in to your job
go scam some retard with your shilled trashjeet or gayzed pos, this is above your pay grade
>>106956914
you should start warning others that you're a paid shill

>>106956920
there it is lmao i fucking called it, you were the one behind all the kz bullshit last thread and now you're trying to sell tanchjims

>>106956920
>paid shill
Yeah I paid f**o and now I'm shilling against them.

>>106956931
of course you think it's been me, i don't care about tyvan's gay company because everyone already knows that they have an army of shills and retards like you. i don't waste my energy on obvious and documented retard traps, only on more pressing matters like this one
get back to work, tyvan's going to get mad
>>106956945
how much does tanshit pay you then?

>>106956959
I bought them with my own money, what's wrong with posting IEMs on /iemg/?

>>106956819
Example of an all-in-one, SMSL RAW-MDA1 (I'm not endorsing this model).
Most people output digital USB or optical from PCs.
idk what DAP you have, but I'm assuming the outputs are USB or wireless.
So you can do both PCs optical out, and the DAP connected via USB-C cable.
Or if the DAP has BT then connect via BT.

>>106956970
haha ok sure pal, and i own the sun you see in the sky
just say it man, how much does t******* pay you to shill their pos?

>>106956959
lol the projection is insane, everyone knows you're a jim employee
how does xer cock taste faggot?

>>106956989
>SMSL RAW-MDA1
That doesn't seem to meet my needs; I believe a mixer would be more suitable
>idk what DAP you have
Shanling M5 Ultra
>Or if the DAP has BT then connect via BT
I could use BT for all my devices, but I'd prefer not to

>>106957029
Outputting analog 3.5mm from your computers is not recommended. Nearly all motherboards have poor performance. Yes, you can look into mixers and multi-channel out devices, I don't have further guidance about those. Since they work with the analog signal, degradation of the signal or amplified noise are to be expected.

>>106956829
>>106956841
>>106956846
Wow, you silly boys are SO butt hurt right now!

> $50-$100

> Music, PC, and phone. Quiet environment.

> I don't know what that is. "Let It Happen" by Tame Impala, "Stress" by Justice, "Face to Face"
Daft Punk, "Pulsewidth" By Aphex Twin

> Cheap JLab earbuds and Steelseries Arctis 7+ (better). They sound fine. I guess I don't know what good audio sounds like.

>>106956745
>>106957079
I think I've found what suits my needs: https://www.amazon.com/LZSIG-Sub-Mixing-Low-Noise-Microphone-Independent/dp/B096462RCT. However, I can't seem to find an alternative.

>>106957106
step up to supermix 4 / daybreak or stick to ~$20. most options between are meh imo

>>106957106
Zero 2
>>106957256
he said he doesn't know what good audio sounds like. he puts on daybreaks, he'll be bored within minutes.

I listened to the Q1 Pro for a few hours of music and gaming, and after the THC wore off, my ears started ringing and feeling warm.

Switched back to the Tripowin Vivace and I feel instant relief. I actually might like this better than the Gate. It sounds amazing plugged directly into the headphone jack.
It's not as bassy as I remember, so changing volume and tips definitely helps.

Received the Ziigaat Doscinco today. Been listening to it for about 30 minutes using various tips. So far I am quite disappointed.

> What don't I like about them?
First of all, the sound is very V-shaped. Lots of bass but also lots of upper mids/ear gain. Everything sounds sibilant to me. I have to turn down the volume a lot. Voices, pianos, guitars etc are too quiet.

It also seems like they don't fit into my ears well. The nozzles are very short so they sit far out on the ears.

I made a quick and simple EQ to get it closer to the Aful Explorer. But even with this on it doesn't sound that good. I still prefer the Explorers.

>>106956669 (OP)
cant find the Fola listed anywhere, is it because im in the US? really wanted to get a pair a few months back but had to deal with other things

>>106957342
You should keep in mind quality assurance and unit variation. You are looking at a graph of someone else's unit from some time ago.
Linsoul's brands unfortunately have had a bit of a down-slide as far as how well-matched and consistent their models are (at all prices, Doscinco up to Thieaudio Monarch level). Your unit may very well graph quite different from what you see there, which further confounds what you are hearing. Keep that in mind. (It's not that graphs "lie." We lack certainty of how both your Explorer and Doscinco graph).
>fit
Well now you know how virtually every ZiiGaat fits, they use the exact same shape for most resin hybrid models FYI. Not a good shell for me either.

>>106957375
just released in asian markets, it's coming soon

>>106957411
I saw it around early september on amazon though, weird

>>106957286
you are not suppose to use q1pro without EQ... unless you are more or less deaf

>>106957424
they started appearing around that time, but officially speaking they only started selling them a week or two ago
the amazon listing iirc was a leak from a seller

>>106957106
SIMGOT EW300 or Letshuoer S08

>>106957399
Thanks for the info. I guess Ill try to sell this.

>>106957505
S08. Never EW300.

>>106956920
>treating electronics manufacturers like sportsball teams

Amir is a deaf cunt and can't hear anything. Why the FUCK is he an authority on audio?

>>106958225
nobody asked

How do Tanchjim's IEMs differ between Origins/Darlings/Oxygens? I'm mostly interested in their more premium flagship offerings over time.

>>106958385
>differ between Origins/Darlings/Oxygens
literally the same pos
>more premium flagship offerings
lost manor

https://www.hidizs.net/products/hidizs-ap80-pro-max-all-in-one-hi-res-streaming-music-player
I backed this because at the ~$150 USD price point it seems like a relatively decent deal and I've wanted a PMP for awhile for traveling because I fly a lot for work and currently just drain my phone battery, what are the odds it's actually just complete shit?

>>106958539
Is soundblaster play 4 good dac or should i buy something else?

>>106958412
Darling is bullet style.

>>106958225
because
>le measurements!!

Anons, is there any sort of 1/4" male to 4.4mm female adapter worth trying? I think I need one to use my IEMs with my UR-44 interface. Sadly, I don't think I can just listen with my USB-C DAC at the same time when in a DAW like Bitwig.

>>106959622
Can't name a specific model but there shouldn't be any issues, just check L only and R only to see if they soldered it correctly. Amazon or aliexpress should have something. I only used 4.4 to 3.5 that came with one if my IEMs.

>>106958225
Because he's only using industry standard rigs and methods. When you read his reviews you know he's not making shit up. There's value in that. Of course there's value in going beyond "the science" too, but that's not his job.

Reminder flacs are a scam sponsored by storage companies. You don't need anything more than 320s.

>he needs 320kbit because of his inferior ancient codec
didn't realize it was deaf audiophool hours

>>106958225
>

>>106960475
>two thirds of flies love shit so we're going to smear shit on all the research
now i understand replication crisis

is there anything better than the moondrop may's for gaming?

>>106960628
Rays...

>>106960639
tried them, basically the same

Don't believe any recommendation here. Everyone of us never paid higher than 20 bucks on an IEM.

/iemg/ 2025 holidays shopping guide
$3 EDC Pro 1DD
$4 Celest Rue 1DD
$4 CVJ Luki 1DD+1vibrator
$7 Castor 2DD
$7 Krila 1DD+1BA
$7 Polaris 1DD
$8 Sgor Venus 1DD
$10 PR2 1planar
$10 QKZ x HBB 1DD
$12 Rosefinch 1DD
$12 GATe 1DD
$13 Chu II 1DD
$20 Lafitear LF3 Pro 1DD+1EST+1BA
$20 TRN ST7 2DD+5BA
$30 VX Pro+ 1DD+8BA
$23 TRN Lucky Bag (5 IEMs)

>>106960971
not true, I paid almost $30 for one

>>106960971
>none of us have paid more than 20 bucks
ftfy ESL
>>106961067
why would you buy that pos?

>>106960971
I recommend fox IEM.

>>106960427
Nah, I can hear a difference and storage doesn't matter in the streaming age.

>>106961136
pos...itioning

>>106961164
[screeches in xiph.org]

>>106956669 (OP)
how are the buds 3 pro so lacking in bass?????? i got it for free, but they're supposedly to be £200

>>106956669 (OP)
my brother wants a mp3 to store a bunch of pirated audio books to use instead of his phone.
>Budget
under $150 aud
>Intended use
sd card support, small form factor, blutooth and having a long battery life is a must as he will probably be using them to distract himself at work. support for audible would be a plus, but not completely necessary.
>Frequency response
I guess it should be a normal eq, maybe something that priorities the mid range, but really it shouldnt matter as long as it not bass heavy afik.

>>106960971
I miss those good deals.

>>106961402
just eq the bass

>>106961438
hiby m300

>>106961483
>just eq the bass
it is garbage even with the bass turned up on the wavelet eq

>eqing bass on $0.50 of plastic and recycled DD
lol lmao

>>106961402
>>106961501
Most likely a bad seal. Try different tips or upgrade to wired IEMs.

>>106961589
Crazy how $0 IEMs can play bass louder and with less distortion than $1000 IEMs and $5000 headphones.

>it's totally the seal guys. eq with more tips
kek

>>106961606
for this reason it's worth upgrading from chu 2 to another chu 2

If IEMs Are So Good... Why Don't People Mix And Master Recordings Using Them? Yes. Because They Suck

>>106961648
Use case for mixing and mastering outside?

>>106956669 (OP)
$200!! Our tots, foola waiters??

did they make an iem with subbass yet? other than pr2 I mean

hard mode: respond to this question without sounding mad

>>106961606
show one graph comparison of a free pos shitting on a $1K pos. any.
>>106961648
because mixing and mastering is done on actual speakers. also you're ESL.

>>106961789
Yes.

>>106961824
Edc pro vs 64 audio shit.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/64-audio-u12t-review-iem.32518/

>>106961824
>because mixing and mastering is done on actual speakers
>*mixing and mastering ARE done
ESLzo... Kys?

>>106961611
Budshit shouldn't have any trouble playing bass
https://www.0db.co.kr/REVIEW_0DB/4126438

>>106961888
sperg more?

>>106961596
>>106961993
no point, just seething troll / deaf newfag, move along. buds3 even have function that boosts bass when it detects inadequate seal. glossing over the facts that wavelet is known to mess with bt quality, we don't know what codecs he's even using, etc.

>>106961164
really now? surely you will be able to prove it?
https://abx.digitalfeed.net/lame.320.html

apple shill detected >>106962310

>buds 3 pro
apple does not make a product with that name. if you mistyped that, it's your fault.

o my bad

when is samsung gonna buy apple and go full TJD

I need some reccs for the most isolating pos I can find.
They cannot be from Etymotic or Shure, and they must be wired. Ideally, they should fit nicely.
I've been eyeing the Cadenza4 and maybe some all-BA pos could work, I'm just not confident they'll be as good as Etymotics which I have but cannot use them anymore.

>>106962948
we don't know what fits you nicely.
kotori zephyr is a non-vented iem that inserts quite deep and isolates well without pressure issues.
most other hybrids are more-or-less similar.
all-BA will often be non-vented and have pressure issues (unless you step up to softears RSV MK2 level, where they've accounted for that)

>>106962948
You should probably check out customs.

>>106961732
lmao, look at that bass, its not just weak but barely holding together now

>>106962948
post dilated earbussy

come home, white men

>>106963380
i wont buy until they slash the price down to $199

>>106963380
obsoleted by $20 pos

>>106963475
If you like giant resin blobs hanging from your ear canals

>>106963062
it's on 5128! and it has DSP modular kekble, just boost it, nigga!

Anyone tried the Softears UTs yet? Eye-wateringly expensive (even though they're like 1/2-1/3 the price on Taobao). Think they launched just some months ago. I'm still using their UCs, but I wish I could try the UTs without paying 2-3x the Taobao pricing.

I got drunk last night and ordered a pair of Cano Cristales and something else that I don't remember.

>>106963486
bunny is pretty small

>>106963488
does transjim think that nobass = neutral? lol they really should conduct listening tests instead of shitting out $200 garbage
also holy shit $200 for 1DD is something else.
you can get airpods pro 2 for less than $200 and they are full of electronics and active systems. Tanchjim garbage costs a fraction to produce.
Really fucking unreasonable.

>>106963566
all the metal gimmicks are never worth it
s&s spring tips and coffee tips is all you need

>>106963630
How many rupees per post?

>>106963738
nta but I'm Indian lol

>>106963738
I wish somebody make a decent size blind listening tests with normies lol
ie200 would've been btfo so fucking hard...

these jeets aren't even hiding it anymore.

>>106963825
I'm Indian and I've never had issues dealing with anyone on this site.

>>106963825
wait where is the idea that indians are promoting transhjim coming from?

Saars!! Try out this new prototype, it's the best target in the world!!

>>106963948
work on your grammar

>>106964036
All roads lead to fox target.

>>106963676
>>106963792
just push the bass boost button, even the newfaggiest of the noeqs can figure it out

noeqs mad at this one simple trick to download bass for free

>>106964168
that's not the fucking point, retard
point is that they don't know what the fuck they are doing. And 2nd point is that their shit is unjustifiably expensive

>>106964111
you're the most untrustworthy of them all.

>>106964200
lol are there measurements which actually show what kind of bass boost this thing does?

hm is there a way to make filter "constant"? like for example I have 5db ear canal resonance at 8k. I lower it. Is there a way for it to always stay at -5dB even when I'm adding treble shelfs? So filter automatically changes to always stay at -5 dB?

>>106964418
keep it a notch filter and don't let others get in the way

If ₹1000 iems(+eq) are better than high-end iems, why has nobody outside this general talked about it? I'd expect a thread on head-fi or asr discussing chu 2 with eq vs monarchs or whatever by now, at least.

Best earbuds shaped like pic related?
>Budget
0 to 199 USD
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Games and YouTube videos on PC. Movies on Android phone.
>Frequency response preference and music examples
Don't care as long as I can understand dialogue
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
Circumaural pinches my ear tips and makes me feel like I'm developing cauliflower ear. IEM ear dildos make me produce too much earwax. Have Apple Earpods, they are pretty good except the volume control doesn't work on my Android phone and my USB headphone dongle on my PC.

>>106964982
>₹1000
I dunno what kind of currency this is
>why has nobody outside this general talked about it
people talk about it all the time
the problem is that any audio space will be immediately invaded by audiophools and they'll muddy the waters with their retarded takes.
This thread did not come up with 1DD+EQ. Just so you know.
>I'd expect a thread on head-fi or asr discussing chu 2 with eq vs monarchs or whatever by now, at least.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/iems-where-do-diminishing-returns-start-cost-wise-10-15-20-30-50-200-etc-etc.55297/

>>106965125
its rupees saar

>>106965191
just use dollars, weirdo

>>106965125
well sure, i've seen threads like these on reddit or head-fi, but they're not precisely about the topic i'm speaking about (comparisons between let's say gate eq'd to monarch and a monarch itself). it's mostly about "diminishing returns", aka how much you have to spend before the default profile of an iem does not meaningfully improve your listening experience (from what i've read this is around ₹20,000). i would be interested if you could direct me to any real discussion on chu2+eq vs high end iems. (there is a headphones.com video and thread about eqing cheaper headphones to "sound better than 1000$ headphones"), but i didn't find it particularly enlightening.

>>106964982
https://old.reddit.com/r/iems/comments/1mirks1/upgraded_from_moondrop_variations_to_kiwi_ears/

>>106965209
i am not that anon saar i am only doing the needful

>>106965210
There's FR, distortion and comfort. Beyond $20 it's not diminishing returns. It's negative returns.

>>106965211
>reddit
aint no way u using ts as yo source twin wilted-flower-emoji

>>106965252
>why has nobody outside this general talked about it?
>no, no that outside

>>106965233
wrong.

>>106965271
Chatgpt lost.

>>106965263
u wildin cuh we dont so nunnadat gay shit here

>>106965276
I accept your concession.

>>106965298
Grok lost.

BA pos lost.

>>106965233
well, my impression is that frequency response specifically doesn't matter as much (if you're using peq) as the "volatility" of the response curve, as in how much it shifts while progressing through the frequency range. for an example of what i'm talking about, see the high end of the fiio ft1s, which, from what i'm reading are rather difficult to eq to preference. beyond that, i've also read that higher end iems have unmeasurable "soundstages" and "bass textures" which are irreplicable with cheaper parts, and again i'm not sure if this is true or not.
>>106965211
this is much closer to what i'm looking for, and i'm pretty surprised you were able to find something like this so easily. from what i'm reading, the variations are harman-tuned whereas the eq profile of op's cadenza is closer to a more neutral sound? which means that if op liked harman tuning, he'd prefer an eq'd variations more than the cadenza. so not really clarifying in the way that i'd hoped.
>>106965263
well i should say you're not replying to me, maybe the other person just doesn't like reddit (not super fond of it myself)

>>106965210
you don't even need EQ for $20 to beat $1000+ ones lol
>aka how much you have to spend before the default profile of an iem does not meaningfully improve your listening experience
Price will not help with that. $20 base FR is good enough already. All the problems are coming from individual differences and no amount of money can fix that.
>i would be interested if you could direct me to any real discussion on chu2+eq vs high end iems
that's the thing it doesn't even need EQ to be better in the first place. If you properly EQ something to your liking (regardless of the actual price) it will be better than literally anything without EQ unless you are extremely lucky or delusional. Like... there's nothing to discuss here? In the thread people do talk about comparisons and EQ a little bit.

>>106965340
>well, my impression is that frequency response specifically doesn't matter as much (if you're using peq) as the "volatility" of the response curve, as in how much it shifts while progressing through the frequency range.
I don't understand what this means...
>for an example of what i'm talking about, see the high end of the fiio ft1s, which, from what i'm reading are rather difficult to eq to preference
doesn't make it clearer. variance from fit and anatomy is huge
>beyond that, i've also read that higher end iems have unmeasurable "soundstages" and "bass textures" which are irreplicable with cheaper parts, and again i'm not sure if this is true or not.
yeah it is not true
look at pic related
that's the difference one can expect from IEM in different ears.

>>106965340
>well, my impression is that frequency response specifically doesn't matter as much
Average audiophile either can't EQ at all or only ever tried autoeq and understandably got shit results. Le science pilled tards also often avoid EQ and only buy shit with the best looking graphs. EQ in general and especially EQ with adjustments by ear is still out of reach for most people. And when you don't even know what peaks and dips sound like all you hear is soundstage, speed, texture, etc.

>>106965419
well, taking asr's ft1 chart as an example, the deviations in the 5k-20k range would be difficult to eq by hand to the sound profile you most prefer, which is what i mean by "volatility". obviously fit changes frequency response, but would it change it enough to make eqing it manually easier? not sure.
>>106965357
it seems to me somewhat backwards that iems that cost more would be "objectively" worse sounding than iems that cost less, could you elaborate on why? and if this is true, are top-end iems just snake oil? it seems as if most people think for example the tea pros are better than a gate when both aren't eq'd...

>>106965494
>it seems to me somewhat backwards that iems that cost more would be "objectively" worse sounding than iems that cost less,
Distortion and BA drivers have the highest in-ear bass variation out of all driver types. Guess what expensive IEMs are using. Here's one
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/64-audio-tia-tri%C3%B3-iem-review.42405/
Literally unsalvageable
>Because I can't get good sound out of these IEMs in my listening tests, I can't recommend the 64 Audio tia Trió.

>>106965494
>the deviations in the 5k-20k range would be difficult to eq by hand to the sound profile you most prefer,
graph having these "deviations" doesn't mean you'll have them in your ear. EQing them is not exactly difficult.
Difficulty will come from positional variation - you move your head headphones shift and peaks and dips shift with them. It's a common problem for closed back headphones,
>obviously fit changes frequency response, but would it change it enough to make eqing it manually easier
yes. headphones will also change their behavior on your head even with HRTF effects excluded.
>which is what i mean by "volatility".
Okay I get it now. If we know that there are headphones that have lower "volatility" like hd800 we have no idea about IEMs. And especially if more expensive ones are less "volatile". In general IEMs are less volatile in a sense that it's easier to achieve a consistent fit and depth.
I think this problem is unsolvable without active systems.
>it seems to me somewhat backwards that iems that cost more would be "objectively" worse sounding than iems that cost less. could you elaborate on why?
I don't really want to talk objectively (well if you'd want to have objective measurements like THD then they actually ARE objectively worse but it doesn't matter) because FR variance at the ear drum is so fucking huge it renders this whole discussion meaningless. There's nothing $1k can do that $20 can not. Most $20 pos have safe V-shape harmanish tuning that most normies will like. Can you say the same about 1K pos? The result will depend on which one you'll pick.
>and if this is true, are top-end iems just snake oil
yes. that's the case for most audio gear.
>it seems as if most people think for example the tea pros are better than a gate when both aren't eq'd...
They have different tuning and maybe people in general prefer tea pros one more. Or maybe they will not nobody really tried to make a blind listening tests with them.

are Blessings 3 worth the price or should I try to see if I can snag a deal on ebay?
>>106963566
>$28 for only 1 pair
yeah thats insane, I'll stick with my moondrop spring tips and spintfits, those tips better have some self cleaning material to warrant that price

>>106966150
No either go cheaper w/epz p50 or more expensive with meteor. Tea pro is also good but its a different sound.

>>106964249
it runs winamp.exe on an embedded system with an autohotkey script that pushes the bars up

>>106965494
>it seems as if most people think for example the tea pros are better than a gate when both aren't eq'd
Here's a video casually addressing that idea
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJGwS_I8m4E
Spoiler: The $35 IEM wins among more expensive, well-regarded IEMs. I personally am not parading around a definitive conclusion "$35 always da best!" and Tea Pros aren't specifically in this video, but it's a microcosm example of what we already know from good data. Price has no correlation with sound quality. In people's real world use, tonal balance (the frequency response and whether it aligns or deviates from a listener's preference (we also know general bounds for preferences)) and comfort are main determining factors of whether people like earphones.
Majority of more expensive IEMs, as they include more drivers, are in bulkier, less ergonomic shells. This not only affects the listener's mood and tolerance to withstand discomfort, but can directly affect the perceived sound quality when there is non-ideal seal.
You can add on my personal anecdotes as someone who has heard hundreds of IEM models upwards of $5,000. Comfort is a huge factor in my purchasing decisions. Besides that, I seek things that align with my sound preferences and appeal to emotional senses (aesthetics, perceived value of the total package, perceived technicalities). Nowhere do I deceive myself into believing there is objective merit to my perceptions about: soundstage, detail, texture, resolution, imaging, etc. nor do my opinions exactly align with anyone else I've ever come across. I listen to things and form an opinion about the value proposition of a specific model. This is what it boils down to for any individual, and that opinion or value/worth is colored by subjectivity: life experience with audio gear, finances, etc.

>>106964233
literally just download more bass, i figured this out on windows 98 in winamp, how is it 2025 and niggas still can't move bars???

>>106966356
Comfort has always been better with larger pos for me. I find this general's obsession with tiny weirdly shaped pos that don't properly lock into the ear to be quite strange, is everyone here an earlet or are we just too poor to afford something better?

What are sub 300 bucks iem for a eargasm ?
Right now i'm using truthear pure but I want more

>>106966428
there is a line. i have med-large ears and tolerate most. doesn't mean absurdly uncomfortable pos don't exist, they sure do.

>>106966438
tea pro k ur done

>>106966331
>>106966368
>literally just download more bass
I literally don't give a fuck what kind of bass it has IDIOT

>>106966452
Only the original thieaudio monarchs ever gave me issues because of size. More often I get hotspots from sharp edges and shitty shapes which are common in every price bracket.

>>106966271
>cheaper w/epz p50
or even cheaper with daybreak

>>106966493
But then you have to live with the embarassment of having paid money to the fat fuck. Almost as bad as being an OF simp.

>>106966460
>tea pro k
I heard people saying it's not that amazing :/

>>106966438
>>106966510
fill OP How to request advice:

>>106966438
Fox IEM, endgame.

>>106966428
>is everyone here an earlet or are we just too poor to afford something better?
Or... everybody's ears are different and there's no real reason to think about this at all.
Price also doesn't really have anything to do with it. Shit like zero red is $50 and huge. Something like daybreak is $170 and it's basically smaller than my wyverns black remaster which is $25 1DD.

>>106966508
yeah but who knows that? nobody

>>106966510
tea pros are like universally liked lol
there's 2 ways for eargasm.
either EQ by ear
or try 200 IEMs until you find THE ONE (price doesn't matter)

>>106966529
>300 bucks
>office, home and commuting. Using it with my hiby r3 pro II
>I kinda like the truthear pure, but I find it sometimes not punchy enough and lacking clarity. Females vocals are not that good on it too. I will mostly use it to listen to taichi, zts, shiki, ffxiv ost, ebm and aggrotek
>Liked the pure. Not a fan of my chuu II and of my tanchjim 4u

>>106966438
PR2

>>106966587
describe more about what you do or don't like about the chu2 and 4u like you did with pure. that is helpful for us to help you

It literally doesn't matter what people say about audio. They can't hear and if they can they don't hear the way you do. What you personally hear also doesn't matter because you also can't hear. What you're going to hear was determined the moment you saw the faceplate. Unrelated to actual audio quality.

>>106966580
Well I sadly don't have the budget and time to try 200 iem :(

>>106966619
we know. Fox IEM, it's endgame.

>>106966587
daybreak 100%

>>106966606
My concern with the chuu II is the lack of clarity, and I find that there is no immersion. I really liked the definition of the voices on the 4u and the overall atmosphere, but I found it lacked depth, to the point that it was unpleasant (I'm not sure how to describe it, sorry, I don't have the technical terms)

For now, I preferred the pure because it combined what I liked about the 4u while having more depth and immersion, but I think I can find something better, which is why I'm asking here

>>106966650
What are the qualities of daybreak ?

>>106966438
ER4XR + EQ. Don't waste your time with chink shit.

>>106966676
>clarity
>immersion
>depth
y-yeah these are all meaningless terms
>I preferred the pure because it combined what I liked about the 4u while having more depth and immersion
have you tried EQ?

we need to make an eqtard containment general where they can jerk off over eq and graphs, this thread is supposed to be about iems

>>106966740
chu2 graphs well but sounds flat and claustrophobic with no depth

>>106966780
what dongle

>>106966740
Well yeah maybe it's un-scientific, but I don't really know how to describe it, sorry.

>have you tried EQ?
Yeh, I tried my best but I was unable do to something mindblowing. I followed the guide, maybe I did it wrong :/

>>106966758
lifehack #whoa ctrl+f $5 shitbud alert

>>106966800
you have to describe your terms like jimmy neutron working at spanky's for the graphniggas to not be angery

>>106966685
Great resin shell and small size (better than pure), good cable with changeable terminations, better QC than pure (and truthear in general), colored jm-1 tuning (more contrast in bass more higher treble than pure)

100% the spammer making fake bait posts. Fascinating how you choose to spend your time making fake posts on a malaysian basket weaving forum iem sub-thread

>>106966758
we had 2 iemgs and a hpg running simultaneously and eqtards btfo'd chartniggas in all 3

>>106966800
>Yeh, I tried my best but I was unable do to something mindblowing. I followed the guide, maybe I did it wrong
Set up 2 shelfs (do it right now) like on pic related (gain values are an example)
And tweak them until you get the sound you like. Obviously use pure. Then report what kind of configuration you liked the best.
If adding more bass makes it too boomy change shelf to like I dunno 80 and Q to 0.8 and try again. Don't forget to leave a proper headroom with preamp.

>>106966580
absolvte trvth nvke

/ourguy/ dropping the banger comparison of 2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofibLJdJ_JA

redpill me on EQing by ear
how does it compare to EQing by eye?

>>106966960
>$200
that's a big fucking baby

>>106962310
what a weird post.

I got the buds 3 pro free with my phone so I don't really care that much. it's just amazing that supposedly £200 earphones are outdone by £10 betron earphones off amazon. what the fuck is the point of all that tech that they crammed into it that made it so costly if its sound quality is still shit?

i think samsung have also nerfed the sound quality in their new phones, because my old note was capable of delivering more bass than this

>>106966968
EQing by eye is literally worthless unless you have 5128 dummy head instead of a normal one.

>>106966994
>£200 earphones are outdone by £10 earphones
TRVTH NVKE

>>106966968
There is no EQ redpill, EQ is a bluepill by definition.
You just EQ your shitbud to the point you don't see any improvement and your perception is blurred.
Next you convince yourself it is the same with the rest of the pos and it does not matter whether its 5$ shitbud or kilopos.

>>106967026
I bass boosted a lot of $5 shitbuds plugged into dongle amps and came to the conclusion that some nigger bass are niggerer than others, problem is I'd rather spend $1000 on 300 $5 shitbuds than on one pos and increase my ear canal's bodycount

>>106967008
price and hype doesn't always dictate quality but you at least expect a certain standard when everyone and their mother can't stop talking about a certain product. for samsung to be pushing their buds -- and I've got the motherfucking """"PRO"""" version too -- i at least expected some level of decency.

i guess this is why they give this shit away for free, because it's hot fucking trash

>>106967068
>price and hype doesn't always dictate quality but you at least expect a certain standard when everyone and their mother can't stop talking about a certain product.
I've never seen any hype around samsung TWS ever?
By all metrics they should have a decent amount of bass.
So I dunno it's basically on you to figure out if your settings are fucked up, your fit and seal are fucked up or your TWSs are broken and fucked up.

wanker 2 didn't pass the sleep test

>>106967259
damn

I'm looking for a Bluetooth receiver to stream music to my monitors (LSR305s), any recommendations?
Only requirement are LDAC and clean enough DAC, convenient analog outputs for my usecase (ie. 2x6.35) would be great though.

I know it's /iemg/ thus not the ideal place to ask, but I'm not seeing any better threads to ask.

>>106967438
topping dx5 ii
>2x6.35
dunno of many with that

>>106967438
https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrfeS6p

>>106967259
this unironically wouldn't have happened with KZ

>>106967542
this

>>106967516
>topping dx5 ii
Kind of exceeds my needs for this current project, looks great though!
>dunno of many with that
I'm used to interfaces that always have either XLR or 6.35 out, but yeah it seems quite uncommon on purely audiophile products.
>>106967522
>https://a.aliexpress.com/_mrfeS6p
Doesn't seem like it actually does LDAC, which is a hard requirement for me.

>>106967259
What are you fighting in your dreams to bend the pins like that?

so whats the next best thing after the Bunny's fopr gaming on Tanchjims side?

>>106967827
>>106961732

looking to upgrade from truthear zero(2022) they're just plugged into a motu m2, any suggestions? budget is $100ish can go up if needed

>>106968252
tanchjim nora

After my experiment with the Ziigaat Doscinco, I've realized it's all about mids. Fuck bass (still gotta have some), fuck upper mids and treble. I just want good powerful mids.

What do I buy? I'd be an upgrade to the Aful Explorer.

>>106968617
just EQ

>>106968617
Tea 2 has lush mids.

I'm new to the hobby and I'm about to sit down and read the eq guide. H-Here I go!

>>106968684
weak as fuck

>>106968617
have you tried the new FFXIV Dilator buds?

>>106966356
>I personally am not parading around a definitive conclusion "$35 always da best!" and Tea Pros aren't specifically in this video, but it's a microcosm example of what we already know from good data. Price has no correlation with sound quality.
Yeah, personally I think $100 is the sweet spot. There you get both good sound quality and good build quality. Get the Fiio FH3 or the Aful Explorer. There is not a single IEM out there that beats them in terms of build quality, looks, sound quality or tuning. Both are end game.

>>106968617
daybreaks have great mids... just sayin'

>>106966580
>tea pros are like universally liked lol
A lot of people think they're too sibilant/sharp/ear rapey. Just looking at the graph I can tell I'd feel the same.

>>106968731
daybreak easily beats them at all the above

>>106968651
Can you tell me how to find the sharp peaks?

>>106968684
Looks nice. But I'm hesitant about Xenns (and Linsoul overall). What is to say that these are better than the Explorers?

>>106968747
I've posted it already
>>106965419
there's no telling how POS will sound at all.
"a lot of people" don't even EQ length modes out.
tho can't say I've seen a lot of negativity about tea pros at all

>>106968738
>daybreaks have great
Looks like mids there are more quiet compared to Explorers + more pinna gain and upper mids/treble.

>daybreak easily beats them at all the above
Hows the build quality? Do they feel and look like $170? The Ziigaat Doscinco's look and feel like they should be $20. No difference between them and something like the Truthear Gate.

>>106968758
I dunno do a bunch of sine swipes? With lower volume loudness changes should be more noticeable. When you do a constant sweep it basically goes weeeEEEEEE as it gets higher at frequency. But if there's a peak it will go something like weeEEE-wooo-WEEE. It especially noticeable if you do fastish sweeps.
https://owliophile.com/
good site to do it with

I cant get eartips that are truly comfortable for me and I am considering getting custom tips made.

Great idea but MY FUCKING WALLET

Still mulling the idea over, any of you fags had some made? I also considered the ghetto route of molding my own from cast silicon but ehhh

>>106968762
I have both, Explorer sounds boring in comparison, even the bass sounds flat despite having more. Tea 2's bass can give me shit-eating grin, Explorer can't.
>>106968738
>great mids

>>106968812
>Tea 2's bass can give me shit-eating grin
same with my top pros, its actually shocking to me how well it sounds and produces bass with a touch of EQ to bring out the lower end

>>106968802
>I dunno do a bunch of sine swipes? With lower volume loudness changes should be more noticeable. When you do a constant sweep it basically goes weeeEEEEEE as it gets higher at frequency. But if there's a peak it will go something like weeEEE-wooo-WEEE. It especially noticeable if you do fastish sweeps.
I tried it but I couldn't notice anything, unfortunately. Thanks for the link tho.

>>106968812
Interesting. Have you tried the Fiio FH3s as well?

Maybe I'll try the Tea 2 (if I can find them).

>>106968778
>Hows the build quality
great. it's filled resin shell. plus they fixed a bunch of QC issues and all new batches are even better.
>Do they feel and look like $170
I'd say so. They are pretty small, translucent and light. Unless you associate price with metal shell pos. There's like a million photos and videos with them.

>>106968812
can you even buy tea2?

>>106968778
You can also order daybreaks on lolmazon so you can easily return them, at least on US amazon

>>106968808
what tips did you try

>>106968812
daybreak is following pop average DF. What the fuck is tea2 following? xenns's ass?
either way it doesn't matter much because shit is like +-3dB in real ears. at least on paper they should have accurate and natural midrange

>>106968896
What came with them:
foam (pretty good but seal can be hit or miss sometimes)
basic silicon
the stiffer silicon

Tried aftermarket:
several sizes of SpinFit W1 with the L being the best so far
divinus velvet wide bore silicon

I am about to try some linsoul tangzu tang sancai, KBEAR 07s or moondrops, but those last two are very similar to ones i have already tried in structure

Getting tired of amazon returns kek

>>106968863
>>106968891
Thanks. I might give them a try.

By the way, I have now tried a -4db @8k with a 1.8 Q value. Just one song in, but I think this MAYBE have fixed the Doscinco. Lets see.

>>106968936
What exactly is the problem?
I'd try moondrop srpingtips... but its L is more like M so they might be too small.
sancais are pretty nice.

>>106969014
do you think you have some problems around 8k? if you didn't EQ out ear canal resonance it could be it

>>106969058
I dont know. I dont have any problems with it on my Explorers. But I looked at a graph on squig and saw Doscinco had a bit of a peak there (just like the KZ PRX where I have to use -4 or -5db there). So I tried it out.

It's still too sharp with silicon tips but it seems to be OK with foam tips now.

>>106969032
>What exactly is the problem?
Maybe I am expecting too much but to get a good seal they are somewhat tight, which is fine, but I feel I need a touch smaller than what is offered to get a good seal and not cause annoying pressure eventually. I would really like to wear them for several hours without noticing them like I do now

I tried a smaller size and it seals ok but insertion is a bit deeper than I'd like and they end up moving/sliding around which means I am always having to push them in a touch more

>>106969090
Which IEM are you using?

Have you tried foam tips? I like those the best.

>>106969090
try dunu S&S too while you are at it
maybe springtips will fit you better if you want a bit smaller than L... they are pretty grippy and very soft. Tho because of that they can make squishy sounds inside your ears which is probably not for everyone

>>106969103
>Which IEM are you using?
Top Pro

>Have you tried foam tips?
Yeah those tend to be my favorite overall, I need to get a couple different sizes.

Silicons are ideal because they dont go shit like foam does after a bit

Audio Amigo has a new review up, and it's the latest planar from Letshouer. Lets go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbPwRNNq3W0

>>106969123
ya springtips are in my cart actually kek
>dunu S&S
i was also eyeing those too, thanks

>>106969124
Yeah I know. I just love the isolation from foam tips. Once I had tried them, I couldn't go back to silicon. It's worth buying a big set of foams so you can switch to new ones every couple of weeks.

I like the Comply tips on Amazon. But there are cheaper ones on Aliexpress.

>>106969145
agreed, foam isolation is the GOAT apart from triple flange but ehhhh, fuck those

>>106969132
> Lip: 6.17mm
Too wide. Into the trash it goes.

>>106969132
I have the Z12s and was not really a fan so I doubt that version is anything groundbreaking

What's the worst IEM you've ever tried that was hyped up?

>>106969276
CCA CRA

lol the problems noeqs have >>106968617

>>106969276
ruta10

>>106969405
nobody hyped up ruta10 LOL

>>106969276
Simgot EW300, ISN H20, KZ Vader Pro and Ziigaat Doscinco.

I've yet to hear a really great IEM. Maybe the Artti T10 Pro will change that, once the price goes back down to $90 on Amazon.

>>106969409
grow up

>>106969487
but it's true?

What am i going to do when my variations break. Its not just the sound, the fit is perfect for me. They're overpriced as fuck now.

>>106969518
daybreak

The Doscincos raped my ears, literally. I feel violated. My right ear hurts now and it feels like I have pressure in both ears I can't get rid of.

The Simgot EW300s also RAPED my ears completely. But at least I wasn't in pain afterwards.

>FH3 and Doscinco newfags
please for the love of god try and understand frequency response better. do the harman listening training, hell, do whatever pajeet listening program is on peqdb.
stop listening to audio amigo and chatgpt if you don't want to keep scamming yourself. at the end of the day, every purchase mistake is on you, nobody else. you're not happy? you're making poor shopping decisions based off misplaced trust in an extremely subjective hobby, and misinterpretations of frequency response caused by your lack of understanding. i'm being sincere, you've both proven that you have very poor ability to correlate what you hear with frequency response. try and bolster that understanding. there are resources and videos out there, including the eq guide, or videos from Mark Super Review.

in good faith, here. it's not absolute, but approximate ranges.
it's not easy, it takes time, and conscious listening. so take your time, and listen with the gear you have, along with eq as a tool to help you explore without spending the $$$.

>>106969543
Thanks but EQ can't fix these. They cause pain as soon as they're inserted. They're going up for sale.

I bought these based on the frequency response, though. I thought I would've liked an Explorer with a bit more bass and upper mids. But I guess that assumption was wrong.

Why are people even buying doscinco? graphs look meh and i've never seen anybody hyping it up? who were they watching lol?

>>106969559
>>106969568
Thanks.

>>106969575
ChatGPT suggested it to me.

>>106969571
totally understandable, it's unfortunate they don't fit you. good luck finding something better.
i encourage you to continue to listen to audio and interpret graphs. it is not an automatic or intuitive skill people are adept at. there is room to improve your understanding.

>>106969589
oh jesus

>>106969590
>there is room to improve your understanding.
Oh for sure. I'm learning more and more with every mistake and failed purchase.

>>106969593
Well I had picked it out first from seeing the FR. Then I uploaded that one + FR from three or four others and asked ChatGPT which graph would sound the best with my type of music. And it declared Doscinco the winner. The logic it presented was sound (focus on mid-bass over sub-bass, since my music doesn't have sub-bass, etc).

>>106969617
>Well I had picked it out first from seeing the FR. Then I uploaded that one + FR from three or four others and asked ChatGPT which graph would sound the best with my type of music. And it declared Doscinco the winner. The logic it presented was sound (focus on mid-bass over sub-bass, since my music doesn't have sub-bass, etc).
time to buy EDC pro

>>106969617
>my music doesn't have sub-bass
no wonder multiple posters here give the impression that they're deaf. their "music" is shit

>>106969467
niggas will really drop $100 4+ times on pos worse than an EQ'd and powered PR2 lmfao just because it isn't expensive enough. literal mental illness

>>106968617
Mids don't exist.

>>106969889
yeah faggot?

>>106969889
music IS mids

>>106966873
see >>106965459
I've been saying audiophools and chartniggas were two sides of the same coin all along. eqtards won

how much money are you going to spend before you eq

>>106969518
Upgrade to fox IEM.

>>106969944
eqtards are literally chartfags what is this cope

>>106968909
read >>106968617

>>106963705
>all the metal gimmicks are never worth it
I daily drive Coreirs for over a year now. Not sure if it has something to do with the metal insert, but they absolutely nailed the shape, material and the sound profile.
>>106965339
>frequency response becomes more V-shaped with lower volume adapting to the Fletcher-Munson curve
1DD possers are in the lower double-digit IQ segment and don't even compehend what they post and what it means.

>>106971062
>Fletcher-Munson curve
Floyd-Toole says you don't need it.

>>106971062
you're blabbering on gatekeeping as if you know the true way to listen and it's the only way somehow. fuck off.

meanwhile the actual true way to listen to 96khz pbthal vinyl rips:

>>106972041
everytime I see r2r I gotta wonder if the owner is dumb enough to use eq with it.

>>106972087
You can EQ on any DAC tech.

>>106972041
The actual true way to listen to vinyl rips is not to.

The jeet mind cannot comprehend the time domain.

>>106972120
>he doesn't know about riaa curve
embarassing
as if we needed more evidence this general is full of zoomers

>>106972134
Who are you quoting?

What are the implications of EQ beating the science?

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>>106972337
yes, check paulwasabii reviews on youtube for a trustworthy take

so Ive mainly been using a DSP cable for my iem's is there really any difference between what im using and a DAC? I mianly use my IEM's for my PC setup

>>106972517
A DSP cable is a DAC.

>>106972517
you generally want a dongle amp with a 4.4 port

>>106972517
if you aren't facing hiss, no

>>106972702
pos don't "generally need" 4.4mm balanced.

>>106972110
the point is once you apply eq, the dac is no more useful than an apple dongle other than power.

>>106972769
who are you quoting?

>>106972821
see >>106972125

why recommend the apple dongle when the ugreen is better

>>106972877
The only part of a DAC that has anything to do with the time domain is the low pass filter.

>>106972867
I have around a dozen or so pos, a couple dacs, and have used all in different combinations, with and without dacs across multiple sources.

>>106972925
that's just bullshit

>>106972937
Read a book.

>>106972941
you can't cite one book that agrees with the bullshit you just spewed.

>>106973036

>>106973036

>>106973036

>>106973004
https://www.analog.com/en/resources/technical-books/data-conversion-handbook.html

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>>106973129
You're the only one hear deaf enough for vinyl.

>>106973132
remember when you accused RU7 of having hiss? you lost 5 other arguments since then

eqtards keep winning

>It's the science
>look inside
>someone's opinion

>>106973154
Never said anything about it. If it had hiss you wouldn't be able to hear it anyway.

>>106973200
and if your music app had peq you wouldn't be able to use it xd

>>106973132
>the only one hear
watch yourself. im starting to smell curry from your posts

>>106973238
>not system-wide PEQ
Boomers...

>>106973263
ESLs don't know how to make homophone typos saar.

>>106973456
they do all the time lol