Thread 106961444

ITT discussions and evidence of the enshittification of technology.
The obvious example of yesterday's AWS outage is very in your face but I feel the normies have no idea things are getting worse until the AI (actually Indians) accidentally push some bad DNS configs and fuck up every service on the East coast.
But if they only knew about the things quietly breaking and getting worse over time.
Recently I've noticed Google maps giving increasingly braindead navigation instructions. Following them adds 10 minutes to the time estimate. Ignoring them and just taking the interstate has me arrive 5 minutes earlier.
A 15 minute differential on a 30 minute commute is wild. How bad do things need to get before they stop outsourcing literally everything?

umping your thread but I have nothing to add rn

the dogshit AI systems are destroying everything

Pages shifting just after loading is enshittification to me. I clicked the button at its original location, but your stupid page shifted it and registered me clicking a different button.

Also the constant spam from every service is so shitty. The ugliest part of it is that it's just so thoughtless. People get to their jobs in marketing and just do what everyone does so EVERYone is spamming these shiitty promo emails to you or making you close out of 3 pop ups to sign up for shit on their website. FUCK YOU.

Also contact forms are shit. Give me your email like a real man.

>>106962643
>Also contact forms are shit. Give me your email like a real man.
contact forms are easier to roll. you can use some api instead of running your own backend. sure sure run your own backend. but no

The AWS thing was apparently a BGP problem rather than DNS.

Windows 12 still hasn't been announced because they're holding it hostage until people actually start using Windows 11. It would be nice to think they were working on it in secret, but I bet they aren't.

>>106962671
Why do all websites have one of the same three cookie warnings? That's some lazy shit. I can literally tell how good a new website is, based on which of the cookie warnings it gives me.

>>106962710
so its all 'official' and "just werkz" for people with disabilities, blind people, hearing impaired, etc.

>>106961444 (OP)
"enshittification" is such a crap word that zoomers and cringe millenials throw around at anything they don't like for any reason.
Whenever I see a youtube video with enshittification in the title or thumbnail it is always some basedjak leftist youtuber
boohoo companies want to make money, and cutting costs is a way of doing that. if you are so unhappy, move to another company's product and stop whining.

>>106962835
its more about the lure they do where the service is great at the start and slowly they kill it in a shitty hyper way because it was never profitable

>>106962843
>get nice product for free
>business model not tenable in long run
>have to start monetizing
>complain that you are no longer getting free shit
that level of entitlement is just unbearable
people whining whenever google tries to make youtube in any way profitable is entitled beyond belief. people speak as if google are evil for "making" you watch ads to use their service that is incredibly expensive to run and delivers tons of value to the user
stuff costs money. if you want good stuff you have to pay for it. YT premium is a steal, but people talk about paying for it as being also bad somehow. they dont want to watch ads, they dont want to pay. They just want free stuff.

>>106962926
>YT premium is a steal
yeah, google steals from you and makes you watch some ads even when you pay omegalol

>>106962981
you don't get ads with premium
you also get the skip forward feature that makes it easier for you to skip in-video ads

>>106962994
>you don't get ads with premium
yeah...
>“Promotional ads can sometimes appear for specific partnerships or limited-time offers.”

>>106962994
Wierd. I dont get ads at all with firefox and i get the skip foreward feature too.
Crazy i never even paid for it.

>>106962926
the fault is on google since they switched the platform to being such a mess allowing infinite uploads of trash content for free.
youtube used to have a 10 minute upload limit, and it was probably profitable back then before google bought it out.
now theyve made it so trashy you need to as you say purchase some addon to make it useable.
alphabet is one of the most profitable companies in all of history, they make their money off of parasitism. off of other peoples content and contributions. its the 'ultimate' business. thats why they can afford to give us these free toys in the first place, now they want to fuck them up.

>>106961444 (OP)
Google Maps suddenly can't find my apartment anymore. It's very weird.

>>106962835
>if you are so unhappy, move to another company's product
Part of the enshittification process is to drive all the other companies who do the same thing out of business so you can't do that.

I'm in the UK for business these days. Last time I was here the Internet was much better, now it slows to a halt if you use a VPN.

>>106963096
I went to visit my parents in Belgium last week, and my dad told me that Apple Maps has gained a mysterious new suburb near where I grew up. It turns out it's the wrong name, and while that place does exist, it's near Overijssel in Holland while we are in Overijse in Belgium. The town is literally in the wrong country on Apple Maps. Someone is going to try and go there and really get very fucking lost.

Unrelated but why isn't Google using their AI bullshit to help Google Maps learn your particular route over time? When I first started college in August, my father and I would take a certain special route so I'd avoid problem spots (even though it'd take longer). When I started driving by myself and still needed Google Maps for school, it never learned my exact special pattern that I used for over 5 times. It'd be really neat.

The rate at which things are getting worse is not at all affected by AI, as much as your pseudointellectual nocode circlejerk cult will have you believe otherwise.
Things had sovl when people made them for fun, things are shit when they are made for money.
Not unique to technology at all either, look at the fucking state of the arts.

>>106962710
rank them

>>106962835
It sucks because the original Doctorow blog post and its follow-ups had an interesting point about an economic process by which great customer-centric companies are ruined by self-dealing and advertising. Unfortunately the term was too emotionally evocative and people just started applying it to anything they didn't like. Including "companies charging money for stuff" which if anything is the opposite of enshittification.
The original post: https://pluralistic.net/2022/11/28/enshittification/

>>106963277
or worse, they're the same exact service, they're just resellers.

>>106961444 (OP)
AI is being pushed everywhere. Search results often now have an AI summary at the top, YouTube videos have an AI summary, AI embedded in your applications and even the OS itself (Windows), most of the new updates for Android and iOS are all AI stuff, AI assistants when you apply for a job, whole devices based on just having AI, and the list goes on. Cheaper and flashier to install these AI systems than actually implement useful functionality.

>>106963406
It absolutely is affected by AI. You don't have to lie just because you wanna make a few bucks off it

>>106961444 (OP)
Something I try to point out to people is how much consumer standards and expectations have been lowered. Not just in tech, but in general. It used to be if you were a customer, no matter what business, they'd roll out the red carpet for you, providing extra amenities free of charge to try and get and keep your business. But then companies realized they can treat you like shit and you'll still give them your business. Karens get a lot of shit, but something people gloss over is that most of them were alive during the glory days when standards were better. I don't lose my shit in public, but I do have sympathy for Karen's because the world has moved past them, and not to a better place

>>106961444 (OP)
I don't think the AWS incident is a case of enshittification. Mistakes like this are nothing new.

>>106963516
We can thank the pandemic for this. It taught companies exactly how much they can get away with in terms of min-maxxing their staffing and providing barebones goods/services.

Customer support is a great example of something that was kneecapped by the coof. I've heard "Call volumes are higher than expected" then waited on hold at every single customer support number I have called since 2020. Then you get sent to either Laqueesha or Sanjay, neither of whom can speak English or have the critical thinking power to deviate from the script in front of them when trying to address your problem.

After the whole Crowdstrike bullshit last year the cloud just seems very fragile.

The cart seems to have been put before the horse when it comes to the resilience of the cloud.

>>106962671
that laziness is the core of enshittification

The coming of AI is actually a GOOD thing, though.

>>106964289
To whom exactly?

>>106961444 (OP)
Before AI
>Let’s invent a clever algorithm to route people from A to B
After AI
>Let’s just run “what’s the fastest way from A to B” through AI because it must be right

>>106962926
>have sufficient capital to operate at a loss
>competition based on sustainable business model can't compete and leaves market
>once you have a monopoly, begin enshittification
Pointing out predatory pricing schemes is not "entitlement" you slimy jew

>>106964327
Everyone. Or are you that desperate to waste your life wageslaving?

>>106964327
(((Shareholders))), politicians desperate to act like the economy is doing well and 80 IQ brown people who need machines to think for them

>>106962835
What else do I call it when I remember better user experiences on the Internet 20 years ago with literally fucking dialup and a UI made of slime and rotary wheels? Suck my dick.

>>106962926
>Things should get more expensive and worse over time
No. Maybe don't use crack dealer business models if you don't want crack head customer satisfaction.

>>106964723
I call it rose-tinted glasses. The things you have available for you for free today btfo's 2005 internet, be real now.

>>106963383
Yeah I always wonder that same thing. Especially for the voice nav. Like there are certain parts of the route that are variable. Do I take the interstate or do I go one of 3 back roads to get to work. I want the voice assistant to be smart enough to just get me into those variable points and then shut the fuck up. But no. They'll push another Android update that crash boots my phone every 5 minutes so I'm forced to buy a new one.

>>106962643
>>106962671
>contact form is an invitation to their discord

>>106962835
stop sucking corporate cock goddamm mongoloid, you'll never be rich, your boss is not your friend, you're not going to inherit the company, fucking rightoid I swear to god I don't know how you manage to tie your shoes in the morning worse than being brain dead.

>>106964899
>fucking rightoid
The only people I see defending corpos are lefties

>>106963675
Accidentally taking down 1 pod with a bad update happens. Rolling that bad change out to am entire region and fucking your companies reputation to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars in a single day is far more than a simple oversight. It implies there are no guardrails for preventing things like this.
Worse yet it shows that fuck ups are only caught when they burn the entire building down. Just imagine how much jank is under the hood that isn't big enough to cause a global stink and is just mildly inconvenient so they call it a p3 and move on. Now imagine that every team at Amazon has at least a dozen of those. And the iceberg is even bigger for the ones that customers haven't reported yet. It's fucked.

>>106964810
CS6 still mogs the fuck out of the Adobe suite and I won't hear otherwise.

Dead horse but fuck youtube in the ass so fucking hard.
>a decade of history to datamine and determine exactly what I like to watch and when
>recommends the same videos I've watched already and never ever anything new or interesting
>even the new videos from channels which I subscribe to don't appear on my feed

>>106962835
>"Why are you guys complaining about getting fucked in the ass? It's fine it's supposed to be that way and I always cum when sucking it afterwards, what's the big deal? Stop whining"

>>106964925
Maybe it did happen due to a lack of proper processes or guardrails, it probably did, and it's probably due to bad practices, but that still doesn't mean it is enshittification or that it's anything new.
Compare it with Google fucking over all of its users by making its services literally worse all the time. They are not the same phenomena.

Just go to discord already if you want 'generals' and 'channels' so much.

>>106965280
>Just go to discord already
>why is mu chan deads

>>106964899
I love how anytime you try to have a nuanced view on why corporations do stuff, that isn't just "corporations are evil and suck", retard lefties come crawling out with
>muh bootlicker
>muh you just say that because you think you are gonna be rich one day

>>106962835
>I am an easily triggered thin skinned faggot
redditor is mad

>>106965372
I love that for the past few decades any time people mention that the update to the formerly beloved software is a step in the wrong direction and that no update would be better than that update, you always get some dick riding cunt trying to defend the trillion dollar faceless mega corp that's trying to supplant my government and constitution with their own unaccountable morality.
Eat my ass.

I'm sure the interface is fine.
I just don't like having to get used to something that looks different every now and then.

Discord keeps adding more and more useless buttons that link to monetization schemes

>>106962835
I prefer calling it the rot economy

>new dogshit YouTube UI is called Youtube Delhi in the CSS
They aren't even hiding it anymore

>>106967608
These people add 3 new Indians to the Internet every second. Spooky.

How bad do things need to get before the barrier to entry for competition is low enough for us to replace this shit?

>>106961444 (OP)
Windows 11 as a whole is crammed with enshittification. I swear to God I run into an issue every single day at work that makes me want to scream.

I noticed earlier today that file explorer tabs don't run in separate processes like how browsers handle it. Pathing to a UNC share is extremely unstable and will just constantly softlock explorer now.

>>106962926
That's called bait and switch, anon. We used to tar and feather people who violated social trust in that manner.

>>106962835
[sideload enters the chat]

>>106964363
Apologize.

>>106967631
looks like a pure 100% indian design, it's just shit and it doesn't scale well, it's just another garbage flat tabletshit design

>>106961444 (OP)
I hate everything. I used to love some shows and video games, but after 2020, the only thing I still enjoyed was programming. Now, with AI, I can't even enjoy that anymore. I'm tired all the time, and I'm afraid this is how the rest of my life will be.

>>106962835
>boohoo companies want to make money

>>106961444 (OP)
I genuinely cannot think of anything that has gotten honestly better or hasnt been just stacking bloat on top of already solved problems from 15+ years ago
Corpo niggers dont know how much i want to consume product then get excited for next product but they do everything in their power to make sure that i am completely turned off by it.
For my own personal aspie special interest that always seems to make some faggot absolutely seethe is the LED. The led is the single worst seemingly innocuous thing that has ever plagued daily life and should only have been made to be used as indicators in machinery.
>car headlights
fuck you, magdumping into your windshield at night should be considered self defense
>lightbulbs
more chink plastic e-waste made to self destruct in 3 years even though the LED technically lasts for 6 gorillion hours.
>screens
the PC CRT is the peak of display technology in everything but weight and OLED is nothing but cope as it is now despite 20 years of "advancements".
>muh efficiency
we should not be min maxing the joy out of life and it should be considered an act of aggression to do so. With how leds are thrown into everything and how they are used, i would be genuinely surprised if we arent using as much energy, if not more than we were at peak incandescent/hps streetlights/crt.

>>106970199
The companies at least produce a product that I may or may not be interested in.
Terminally online leftist basement dwellers, however, produce nothing. And because they produce nothing they resort to complaining about those that do to make themselves feel better about being failures.
Google is so bad? Nintendo is so bad because they charge what people are willing to pay for their games? Then fucking go make something better loser.

>>106961444 (OP)
You're just too stupid to get it.
imagine getting this worked up over the definition of a reddit buzzword. touch grass.

>>106962835
its just capitalism but these retarded neoliberalists have to invent a new word so it doesnt hurt their world view

Samsung added some shitty AI overview thing on my phone recently.
From what I can tell, it just shows the weather and can't even show youtube videos from things I actually watch.

>>106970281
You took a fat fucking L and now you're trying to cope and deflect. Have another.

>>106971581
Oh wow, I took an L from the chronically online losers complaining about shit. Ooh, ouch

>>106971789
Nobody made you respond. Or even come to this thread. We're discussing something. If you don't like the topic don't come to the thread. Shrimple as.

>>106962835
>>106970309
>SAAAR DO NOT REDEEEM THE CRITIQUE SAAAR YOU MUST CONSOOM PRODUCT SAAAR AND YOU MUST LIKE IT SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-ACKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
kys subhumans

>>106962926
>get nice product for free
>business model not tenable in long run
>have to start monetizing
I have a problem with this meta in industries with strong network effects. First you kill all competition by giving away something very expensive away for free and then, because normies are basically nigger-cattle, you are free to enshittify to your hearts content.
This strategy is only possible if you have infinite money and is therefore anticompetitive.

>>106962835
the enshitifcator cries out in pain as he steals from you and makes your life worse for absolutely no legitimate business reason at all

>>106964810
>in 2006 internet you could host game servers locally, mod them however you wanted, and provide you, yourfriends, and your players with infinite custom content for free, for all eternity
>in 2006 you could use private messaging services that were private
>in 2006 you simply paid a one time fee to purchase a product, not pay every month to rent it like some kind of peasent and then lose access to that product when its parent company either shuts down or decides to drop the product even though youve given them lots and lots of money in far excess of that 2006 one time cost of purchase

>>106973020
Don't forget the demographics. 2006 was before the smartphone put easy internet access in the hands of every normie, woman and ESL/thirdie. It was also before social media encouraged tearing down the barrier between IRL and internet and rewarded you for being an obnoxious attention whore. Unique websites also existed back then instead of 90% of internet traffic being funneled into a handful of corporate walled gardens.

Improved speed and reliability is really the only advantage the modern internet has over 20+ years ago. That would have been an amazing upgrade with the quality of the old internet, but better speed and reliability now just means more efficient ways to spread advertising and AI slop and scams and social media garbage.

>>106962926
>that level of entitlement is just unbearable
ive paid for youtube for 3+ yrs. free-fags are the worst.

on my tv when i browse youtube official app i see this all the time

1st row videos : a , b , c
2 row videos : exact same a , b , c videos from row 1

if this was a college programming project theyd get an D-. but instead it's a billion dollar company.

>>106963041
i never ever get ads and i watch 5+ hrs of youtube every day on roku, so no adblocker involved.

>>106963096
>monday : use google maps to drive to store XYZ
>tuesday : go back to same store but forget which exit
>have google maps route the direction when im ~1min away from the store
>google maps routes me to the store 30+ mins away

another

>heading back home from a part of town im not that familiar with
>just need google to point me to the freeway so i can take a right onto the freeway and head north
>google maps tells me to go under the freeway and do some weird turn around, head south, then do a uturn and head north

there was no construction in the area

>>106962835
The word "Enshittification" was made by a 51 year old, not some zoomer

>>106961444 (OP)
Nice Trips.
Gaming
Pokemon Legends Z-A
>$80
>Lazier graphics than previous titles
>Only innovation is the battle system(still janky)
>Underutilizes the switch2 hardware
>One of the smallest maps
>Plot is lukewarm at best
>GAMEPLAY ISSUES

>>106961444 (OP)
>enshittification = 'they don't make it like they used to' = 'profit > quality'

enshittification = 'they don't make it like they used to' = 'profit > quality'

>>106961444 (OP)
>Enshittification
why are you not calling it by its real name, enjeetification

>>106974747
Sadly it's not just the jeets that have been enshittifying software, Apple is US based.

>>106974650
Keyed ai gigger

>>106974231
>"enshittification" is such a crap word that zoomers and cringe millenials throw around
>that zoomers and cringe millenials throw around
learn to read, retard

>>106962926
I would gladly pay for youtube the same amount that they would get from me watching ads.
Somehow Premium costs way more than that. Why do you think that is anon?

>>106974954
You get YT Music on top + people are willing to pay it. It's really not that deep.

>>106963096
I just saw Amazon returned a bday gift i sent someone after a month because google can't find an address.

>>106968004
the fucking right click menu, it has to load every time you use it
some times it gives up and opens the old one like in win 10

>Enshittification General
>general
WHY DOES EVERYTHING NEED TO BE A GENERAL?
Generals have destroyed board culture and discouraged original threads

>>106975286
Well I'm not so I'll just keep blocking ads then

google has been putting LLM summaries on results from reddit for the past week or so. seems like an added insult to injury when people have been saying reddit is one of the few remaining decent sources of information.

>>106975515
the fucking 1-2 second delay each time. Like this is at all a complicated task to fucking draw a small window on the screen. The retarded dei indians probably coded it to reload the context and file associations each time is probably why I have to imagine.

also
>start button just sometimes doesn't register on first click
>CTRL+C just sometimes doesn't copy
>calculator app sometimes launches full screen for no discernable reason
>I'm apparently the only one on my team to notice this shit, and it makes me feel like I'm crazy.

>>106975699
unfortunately a lot of reddit answers are the human equivalent of bot responses by NPCS regurgitating and conflating shit but with almost zero bearing on actual reality or experience.

The RAID discussion is a good example, seeing as 99% of people only know of RAID because of file servers. In that use, RAID absolutely is a backup. Not a good backup, but it's a backup.

>>106961444 (OP)
Return YouTube Dislikes just started a premium plan and shoving ads for it by opening a new tab and putting it on every single YouTube video page with no way of removing it directly (you have to go to the extension's options).

>>106974839
that's enfaggotandwomenification.

>>106975699
thats funny, fuck reddit. hope google eats them.
>summarize this gay reddit thread for you so you dont have to visit it

>>106961444 (OP)
Maps really is unusable and awful now. It doesn't even know when there's massive construction now. What's the best navigation app now? Apple Maps? Waze?

>>106968004
yup and opening tabs can balloon the ram use to 1 gig

>>106961444 (OP)
You're assuming they care about their service quality, while they don't. It'll keep getting worse because they can get away with it.

>>106962835
Kike.

>>106975517
No, you stupid fag, the lack of moderating shill threads has destroyed board culture and discouraged non-general threads.

This is one of the only good, original threads I've seen all week

>>106976809
>good, original threads
>a general
Pick one

>>106975904
This.

YouTube forcing reels to play when I open it on my phone is the most infuriating thing I've regularly experienced

>>106967943
>delhi_modern_web_player
I thought you were joking.

>>106976819
Not able to read beyond a header, zoomie?

The contents of the thread after an OP have always mattered more, fr fr no cap

>>106967943
God I wish they would stop changing it. It makes no real difference you stupid fucks. Leave it alone!!!

>>106968004
After updating Windows 11 the start menu fails to launch. I get a white screen and nothing loads but text autocomplete works but does not show the user what it predicts you will type.

>>106970281
>Terminally online leftist basement dwellers, however, produce nothing
They produced most of the data online that was used to train chatgpt and other LLMs. It's so valuable that brokers created a whole industry around it. What did you produce?

>>106964398
Louis Rossman did a video about just how much free shit Youtube gives you and how it's not even possible for anyone to compete with it. Youtube gives you nearly unlimited HD storage for free. People keep all of their videos private and just use it as a free SSD. Alphabet did it to themselves by losing billions just to have a monopoly. There is literally no viable alternative or competitor to Youtube. There are a few similar sites, but they have almost no users and they don't give you a fraction of what Youtube gives you for free.

>>106975848
Raid is not a backup retard

>>106961444 (OP)
enshittification is AKA late-stage (platform) capitalism
it's an inescapable, unavoidable result of amoral greed goblins (that's your 401K) driving investment.

>>106976869
if it makes no real difference why does it matter if they change it?
your logic is flawed
no, it does matter. people get used to things and they fuck it up and waste brain cycles of humans in doing so.

>>106976908
Nta but I'm sure they used 4chan posts to train AI as well

>>106974939
Not what it was actually implied you retarded midwit

>>106976908
Didn't /mlp/ help with 15.ai?

>>106962643
fucking hate shiftings sands. just present the page when it is fully loaded ffs.

>>106962643
>load article
>begin reading
>seconds later, a bunch of dogshit finally loads in, shifting the text by half a screen

font-weight:300
<div id="app"></div>

>>106962835
Having non-enshittified options is a luxury that is gradually becoming more and more scarce, you retarded shut-in.

>>106963406
I don't believe AI is going to make anything worse right now. LLMs can't think for themselves and are also prone to hallucinations, but the AI corpos want investors and the public to believe they are more than data indexers.

>>106963499
AI slop that can be side-stepped at all times except when you are applying for a job and the employer makes use of "AI" assistants.

>>106963826
Cloud was always fragile. If [cheese pizza] hunting algorithms didn't falsely accuse you of stashing illegal content and screw you over forever, Rakesh or Pajit at the data center hosting your stuff might screw something up by accident and all your stuff goes poof. Or lazy programmers code something a little wrong, try implementing it as an update or whatever for the backend software at the data center, and then your stuff goes poof. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR LOCAL PHYSICAL BACKUPS. USB HDDs and SSDs are your best buddies in this topic. Now, Cloud services are still viable and quite convenient, but should never be your main backup or you will regret it eventually, unless you get super lucky.

>>106964243
this

>>106976908
wow, incels being important?
>>>/x/

>news sites have more popups than porn did in the early 2000s
every once in a while ill use a computer that isnt mine or see someones using their device and i am constantly astonished with what people are willing to put up with and then fucking fight you about suggesting something as simple as an adblocker.

>>106963441
that guy believes in the climate scam lol

>>106976695
Google bought Waze years back.

Minimalism

>>106977780
Oh but I bet you didnt say a fucking peep about the Xbox 360 dashboard back then.

>>106977563
Why does the waze app still exist?

>>106977819
that console had like 4 dashboards over the course of its life you're going to have to be more specific

>>106978007
All of them belong to the same minimalistic design trend you claim to hate now

>>106977936
Illusion of choice

>>106975848
RAID isn't a backup.This is in no way reliable as a backup, there's no guarantee that multiple vital sectors won't go down at the same time. Sure, it's a "backup", but that's like counting on your airbag to save you in a 90mph crash, good luck

>>106977003
please enlighten me on the functionality of raid then. Is it not to spread out data amongst multiple disks? You know, one might say that is a BACKUP of those disks? If one disk dies, the others can serve as a BACKUP?

>>106978222
>This is in no way reliable as a backup
that's literally what I said
>there's no guarantee that multiple vital sectors won't go down at the same time
there's also no guarantee that ANY backup is going to work. hard drives die or corrupt data all the time. that's why the 3-2-1 rule is so important.

people really love to fucking argue just for the sake of arguing

people just love to fucking argue for the sake or arguing

No one ITT knows what RAID is simply because no one ITT came up with it.
End of discussion.

>>106976850
>calling other people a "zoomer" when you can't a remember 4chan without generals
The absolute state of (you)

>106978829
>wrongly assumes that /g/ at any given point in the past didnt have generals
You are a retarded nigger and from now on you will have to ask for my permission to either reply to me or get a (You) from me.

>>106978519
NTA
Backups are full copies of data. RAID does not make full copies of data, it creates duplicate blocks of data between multiple drives to survive failure of one or more drives.
If you delete a file on a raid array you cannot get it back. If you delete a file you copied to another disk you can get it back.
RAID1 is the closest to a backup because you can turn a complete RAID1 array into two broken RAID1 arrays. But you need data in two separate locations to have a backup so a complete RAID1 is not a backup.

>>106978829
OP here. I've been stuck here since 2005 when moot was Mexican. We didn't have generals but the threads moved so slowly there really wasn't any point. Threads on /b/ could stay bumped for several days. Instead there were just recurring threads without the word "General" in the title. YLYL was a general if ever there were one. And back then it was actually funny instead of cunts spamming unfunny shit to derail the thread.

>>106978868
Yeah also this. I feel like the PC building general has existed since /g/ was a board.

im running google ads and fucking googlepajees are always calling me to "help" my ads perform better. of course, they always suggest to spend more instead of actual help. gee thanks for the fucking help.

Why have we as customers (Fuck the term consumers) not pushed back against this shit? I talk to normalfags and they hate the current world as well yet still buy into it, why?
No one wanting to be the first person to give an alternative a go?

>>106979090
sucks cause im a nerd that would like to go in and actually help you with marketing autism and whatever, ive been into it for years and years. but these fuckers have polluted the space by spamming and burning business owners they are hesitant to even look at whatever you send.

>>106978991
>distro general
>pc general
>disk drives general
>vintage tech general
>programming language general
"Proto-generals" if you will, but generals, nonetheless

>>106978975
>Backups are full copies of data.
Is the totality of a RAID array not a full copy of the data?

>RAID does not make full copies of data, it creates duplicate blocks of data between multiple drives to survive failure of one or more drives.
The process of RAID being able to rebuild a failed drive is, to me, a backup. You're backing up the drives themselves. Opposed to a single hard drive which can not replicate itself if it fails. This is is normally referred to as redundant, although that does not make sense by definition. Redundant SHOULD mean that there's an entire second RAID array that can step up and take place if the first array suffers degradation. Such as if a drive dies and needs to be rebuilt, that does cause significant degradation.

Nothing about the definition of backup mandates that it has to be offline. Many backups are online 24/7.

>If you delete a file on a raid array you cannot get it back. If you delete a file you copied to another disk you can get it back.
That's why there should be multiple backups. This is true of any backup method. Or even better, some sort of versioning.

tl;dr the common consensus about RAID has definitions mixed up pretty badly. RAID is a backup, but still you should NOT have only 1 backup.

>>106979125
He's playing fast and loose with semantics. Next time dont waste your energy on retards that get their tech knowledge from Youtube

>visit website
>everything is way too big
>zoom out
>website shrinks into narrow vertical 18:9 rectangle in the middle of my screen

>>106979106
There should be a code word to signal to others that you're not a jeet.

>>106979190
The codeword is a picture of your hand + timestamp
Cmon anon, you talk like a newfag

I just had to do a project in gitlab. All this centralized lack of permissions to do anything other than commit and push like a monkey. I will never work in the tech industry. I do not want to be a team player

>>106979097
Somebody else in thread mentioned it already. The cost to become another Google or Amazon are so exorbitantly high that they've got an effective monopoly. Windows on the other hand I feel could be supplanted if somebody could open source exe execution and make a Windows alternative OS that just werks without subjecting normies to Linux jank.

>>106979199
In the age of AI you can unironically turn a brown hand white and you'd never be able to tell.

>>106979219
In the age of AI you can tell if a picture was generated/edited with AI, so this method still holds up

>>106979150
>Next time dont waste your energy on retards that get their tech knowledge from Youtube
unfortunately this is most of IT. people who regurgitate shit with authority because it was in a college textbook or CompTIA exam without stopping to actually use their own fucking brain.

this is also why cybersec is full of retards.

>>106962835
this
it's just goyspeak for "jewed"

>>106962835
Based and true

>>106979097
>>106979210
There is also the fact that companies like Microsoft have ties with the goverment so the goverment has all the reasons to enforce the monopoly

>>106963383
>why isn't Google using their AI bullshit to help Google Maps learn your particular route over time?
Why aren't YOU learning your particular route over time? I only have to drive somewhere like once to remember how to get there again.

>>106980858
The idea is that Google crowd sources real time traffic data so it's not just remembering the route, it's SUPPOSED to suggest the quickest route based on real time traffic. But like several people have mentioned, it routinely suggests what is objectively an incorrect and slower route.

>>106963383
Because the AI isn't personalized to you, it exists as some momentary neural network in a web server somewhere.
Everyone thinks AI is pic related, when in reality it is just a cobbled together parrot.

>>106964921
There are leftists and rightoids who defens different companies and different practices.
Stop having the cognitive function of a lamp post and you will realize this.

>>106970281
>seething rightoid pisses and shits on the floor crying like a baby

>>106967608
lmao you're fucking pathetic. Do all us a favor and kys

>>106981325
What happened when we tried socialism in The Congo, Angola, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Equatorial Guinea, Mozambique, Madagascar, Tanzania, Uganda, Somalia, Ethiopia, Sudan, Eritrea, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Mali, Mauritania, Guinea, Benin, Guinea Bissau, Ghana, Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, and Senegal?

>>106977538
A while ago NewPipe had some hickups and I decided to watch Youtube with the official App. The ad spam before and during videos was insane. How can normies watch this? I could feel it killing my braincells.

>>106975738
>>106975515
For me it's that random-ass white menu bar that loads in explorer sometimes

>>106978040
>all of them
Blades were great you brown retard

>>106967060

the issue from the opposition is that they have a tendency to exaggerate how big of an issue the "Update" really is and go outside of factual and objective stuff and into preferences and opinions. They usually try to disguise it as facts but its extremely obvious from the other side when a person is just ranting without any objective or factual reason

if only people stayed factual and objective and didnt exaggerate potentially small issues then it would be a lot harder to defend bad decisions and easier to properly discuss potential solutions..

>>106962835
Now denounce the talmud

The only progress nowadays happens in hardware (EUV, terabit Ethernet, esoteric HDD tech etc.) and 99% of that goes completely waste with shitty software.

>>106970525
Samsung needs to be conpletely overhauled. It is the least intuitive interface and the least intelligent "AI" ever encountered. If LG had stuck it out, Samsung would not exist.

>>106976695
Paper map. If you can still find them.

>>106981968
I said the 360 you retarded nigger

>>106961444 (OP)
Speaking of ((Google))
>Type in address in Google
>No direct link to open that address in Google Maps appears
>Have to open https://www.google.com/maps first, then type in the address, then ask for directions

could it be the elephant in the room (capitalism)?
no, it's indians that's the problem or jews or some other boogeyman

>>106983181
Capitalism is the original political-economic boogeyman, my dear brown newfag

>>106983181
I wouldn't have a problem with aggressive growing if it didn't necessitate infinite Indians. And let's not pretend the people pushing socialism aren't the same ones pushing infinite Indians.
Fuck off.

>>106974839
Majority of software engineers on the West Coast are H-1B.

US based means nothing. It’s jeets all the way down.

>>106982302
honestly as a tinkertrannypilled freetard, it's pretty nice right now.

>>106976986
>data collecting and selling
>advertising
>government funding
>population control

They're not losing anything.

>use google maps
>directions still get me places but noticed it's taking me on more roundabout ways to get to a highway then in past
>don't feel the routing algorithms are efficient anymore
>see more of world rural bits odds and ends

I mean yeah kind of cool side of decay of google. But what is world going to turn into when all these big techs go under? Eventually AI will hit an energy wall and the software systems our world sits on will shut down. I imagine the world will get self driving cars adopted but then a decade or so later it will all go up in flames from bad software. But by then people with manual driving skills will be rare. Amish vs technocrat drones instead of ww3?

>>106961444 (OP)
https://www.propublica.org/article/fda-hides-drug-names-contaminated-factories
>At one Indian factory manufacturing drugs for the United States, pigeons infested a storage room and defecated on boxes of sterilized equipment. At another, pathogens contaminated purified water used to produce drugs. At a third, stagnant urine pooled on a bathroom floor not far from where injectable medication was made.
Counting this as literal enshittification.

for it's when a website clearly wasn't tested in firefox

or when you're exposed to horrible touchshit design on desktop

>>106987233
That isn't enshittification. Nobody's going to bother testing for a browser with 2% market share or design a non-touchshit website when the vast majority of people use phones and tablets as their primary devices.

I think google maps is shitty because they're prioritizing shit like fuel efficiency (on a macro level) and traffic management over getting you where you need to go as fast as possible. I don't have the source on hand but I read about it a few weeks ago. I think it was under Google's sustainability bs website

>>106987334
you dont need 4 JS libraries and 1000 lines of CSS to input 4 numbers anon

>>106987334
>That isn't enshittification. Nobody's going to bother testing
Fuck off.

>>106979125
>Is the totality of a RAID array not a full copy of the data?
No the totality of a RAID array is a single unit of data. That's why I gave explanations of RAID1 and RAID10 being the only quasi-backup format because it can be split to create TWO arrays for TWO copies of the data. There is no complete RAID array that can be classified as a backup.
>The process of RAID being able to rebuild a failed drive is, to me, a backup
Your definition doesn't matter. I can recreate a recipe from scratch using my memory, but I still don't have a backup of the recipe. A backup would be a second fully documented version of the recipe.
>That's why there should be multiple backups. This is true of any backup method. Or even better, some sort of versioning.
So RAID is a backup, but it only works if there's multiple arrays with the same data in it (possibly with versioning). Therefore second copies of data is the true backup, you cannot have a backup with a single RAID array.

>>106977563
Waze has been owned by Goolag since 2013, and even still it has always been better than maps. That's wild.

>>106979210
>open source exe execution
Ahem..
Also ReactOS but that's only XP tier, not sure if it can run W7 and later programs. And if you think Linux is janky you haven't used ReactOS.

>>106961444 (OP)
OsmAnd is better and works offline.

>>106978519
People really love bitching and arguing for the sake of bitching and arguing. Here, reddit, Facebook, etc., everywhere. I don't know how they don't get sick of the same diarrhea day after day, month after month. They are all better off having threads derailed with waifus and GETs, but mods will fight that.

>>106979210
There are more Android users than Windows users outside of businesses.

>>106987334
Proofs?
Stuff not being compatible with Firefox is uncommon, newfag. Touch grass.

>>106979219
No one needs AI for this.

>>106987335
>traffic management
Meaning they would create congestion anywhere without traffic management because of all the people seeking shortest routes at the same time? Gee, fo I really need to look this up? If I was in charge of Google, I would be concerned about this, as would local governments.

>>106974839
Curry dudes infiltrate US companies and gradually replace the workforce with more of their own kind for many years now, newfag. Everyone's getting "encurryfied", lol
Apple is pretty much Hindi, though the top execs are all white.

>>106961444 (OP)
>AWS outage
I'm 90% sure this is because butthurt jeets getting ejected

>>106968004
>Pathing to a UNC share is extremely unstable and will just constantly softlock explorer now.
I hate jeet code and features, but how poor are you lmao. Time to upgrade that 2015 PC bud

>>106990916
12th gen i7 lol

Google maps is the worst goddamn fucking thing of all time
I do a lot of deliveries for work, and oftentimes somebody will be off on their address by a number, and instead of Google just saying "Hey I'm not seeing this house number existing on this street," it FUCKING DUMPS YOU AT A MIDPOINT IN THE STREET AND DOESN'T FUCKING TELL YOU
It makes me want to stomp my fucking phone into the asphalt every goddamn fucking time it happens

every time i use google maps now it points me to some dumb fuck back road and do 4 unneccesary turns instead of the faster main road.

>>106991263
I had this too doing delivery for construction, often the maps didn't have the address yet.
I think mapping should really be nationalized. Every municipality/state already files paperwork for new addresses, construction, etc. Add all of this data to a map along with things like road weight limits and make the data available to everyone. Then people can build their specialized applications on top with always up-to-date data. E.g. routing that accounts for your truck's weight and weight limits, or height limits.