Thread 106969283

Fucking finally

>demand increases by 650%
>from 0.000000000000032% to 0.000000000002%
No they don't, lmao, only the eternal contrarian altright chud will do it.

>>106969283 (OP)
i will use candles and burn down my entire city before i pay (((them))) for (((leds)))

>>106969349
Dude every normie over 45 has been looking for incandescent bulbs, but making do with CFLs. It's only late millennials and younger who tolerate LEDs

>>106969466
Post pics of people using those filaments bulb for normal lighting
The only place where they're common is in cars, but tungsten-halogen bulbs

>>106969483
Anecdotes and pictures are ok but numbers are better. Bottom line up front:
>Incandescent Light Bulbs Market size is estimated to be USD 5.12 Billion in 2024 and is expected to reach USD 7.39 Billion by 2033 at a CAGR of 4.5% from 2026 to 2033.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/incandescent-light-bulbs-market-trends-drivers-tlmkf

>>106969283 (OP)
Still illegal in my country.

>>106969466
>Every normie over 45
I'm not in my 40s and I fucking HATE LED lights. They ruined my town and I no longer can take walks at night due to the whole place being sterilized and polluted with the blinding cancerous bullshit.

>>106969514
Yeah the death of sodium lamps has been depressing and ugly, and has also started displacing pollinating insects

>>106969507
>slop pic, slop article

sodium lamps only had one color so people with no taste can't show it
LEDs are fine, but the color temp and wattage choices that people made are cancer
who knew the people in charge are so soulless

>>106969532
Prove it wrong, cunt, you can't because people still prefer black body radiation for everyday lighting and it took several governments threatening to imprison or kill anyone who sold residential incandescent bulbs to even make a dent in sales (which are rebounding)

What's with the LED hate?
They're so much better than CFLs ever were
Unless you're unironically lighting your house with gamer LEDs
Also if you have lights over 3600k outside of your kitchen you're an actual psychopath

>>106969283 (OP)
Ok for real though what is the goddamn deal with LED bulbs? Why does it seem like they actually die quicker than incandescent ever did? What the fuck man they were supposed to last forever. I feel like we have been completely scammed.

>>106969766
Chinks cheap out and don't put actual heatsinks in them. Components like the capacitors fail due to the excess heat.

>>106969766
Have you watched the video on the dubai lamp?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klaJqofCsu4

LEDs are purposely made to not last as long as they potentially could.

>>106969766
it's usually their power supplies that die, because people keep buying cheap chinese garbage.
they're also not as efficient as they should be, because they run fewer leds at higher power, where they're less efficient

Can't leds just mimic the light old lightbulbs put off?

>>106969759
They are fucking gay and make the entire world look gay.

>>106969778
They’re also overdriven, and susceptible to arcson the line (like a shitty switch can kill them).

The leds themselves, when properly driven, have an indefinite lifespan. TI, in the 80s, figured that after 50 years they might be slightly dimmer.

>>106969466
>It's only late millennials and younger who tolerate LEDs
Zillennial here, I don't tolerate LEDs, they're literally all the fucking stores sell.

>>106969766
>Why does it seem like they actually die quicker than incandescent ever did?
no refunds, goy

>>106969811
of course they can, you can get high CRI led bulbs that are indistinguishable from incandescents, it's just that normal people have no clue what good lighting looks like so there's no incentive for the manufacturers to market them.

>>106969759
>What's with the LED hate?
look at the blue spike on the graph you posted

>>106969942
What are some good high CRI bulbs?

>>106969766
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoebus_cartel

My bedroom is lit with this botnet chinkshit. It connects to my wifi. I can control the color, temperature, brightness, etc from my phone. It wasn't very expensive and I've been using it for years. Those filament shits we had when I was a kid usually lasted 1 to one and a half years.

>>106969952
It is not ideal but it is still better than CFLs ever were
You really shouldn't be using high enough color temperature for it to be noticeable unless you're in a hospital or professional kitchen

>>106969999
checked
I like LEDs because they can be far brighter than incandescent light bulbs were, but I hope they'll eventually fix the blue spike.

where do i get CRI95+ bulbs without paying fucking $30 it being some RGBT gamer shit like this >>106969992

>>106969959
idk i'm too poor to buy them, i just know they exist

>>106969759
qled lights should fix that you can figure the spectrum for the dots and remove the blue part.

>>106969283 (OP)
I hate "and this is why you should" articles so fucking much it's unreal

>>106969283 (OP)
yeah no thanks single bulb having draw of xeon server and making nicotine colored light. depressing as fuck, I love my 6500K leds.
I would totally run sodium floodlight for the backyard tho.
>>106969466
>It's only late millennials and younger who tolerate LEDs
I'm gen-x

>>106970027
you can get a high CRI LED for best color rendition.

I swear all the hate on LED lighting is coming from people who pick up the cheapest fucking bulbs they can find at Walmart with sub-70 CRI at too high of a colour temperature
Get some 2700K - 3000K >90CRI bulbs

>>106970242
I don't think they sell any in my shithole of a country, especially over 1000 lumen and with less or equal than 3000K color temperature.

>>106970285
It's other way around where I live. All the cheap bulbs are 3000K and it's really hard and expensive to find daylight ones.

>modern light bulbs are supposed to last 100 years
>I've replaced 4 in the past year
Why aren't light bulbs a solved science by now?

>>106970336
They ARE solved
The jews just don't want you to buy one and be done for life

>>106970336
Should have bought LED bulbs.

>>106969999
incandescent sissies, our response?

>>106970434
this

>>106969507
>inflate the price of incandescent bulbs because they're now "rare"
>market size increases

>>106969759
Don't know where you live, but here CFL only belonged, like women, in the kitchen. Another exception was classrooms, offices and large areas where by sheer number you could sorta ignore the hellish flicker.

>>106969283 (OP)
That's a LED

I'm happy with the two 2500lm CRI90 RGBW bulbs in my living room/work space.
Reaching the same luminosity with incandescent bulbs would require 350W which sounds like a potential fire hazard.

>>106970540
Imagine dumping 350W of heat into your room purely from lighting
lmao

>>106969797
Trying to find LED lamps which can take G4/GU5.3 LED bulbs is also almost impossible. A handful of ceiling spots and that's it.

You either use 220V bulbs, with all the stupidity of putting a 220V power supply in the bulb, or you can get lamps with no replaceable parts at all.

Industry should long ago have made a LED specific lamp socket, designed ground up for 12V DC with PWM dimming. For the cheapest lamps you could then just use 3 LEDS and a resistor, still perfectly dimmable.

>>106969457
>(((them)))
Chinese sweatshop workers?

>>106969466
>has been looking for incandescent bulbs, but making do with CFLs
You can make them yourself out of garbage.

>>106969811
>>106969942
No, incandescent bulbs emitted black body radiation from tungsten so it has a smooth normal distribution while LEDs you git a big spike from the diode bandgap that maybe gets smoothed out from phosphor (which is pretty much exactly how florescent lights work) or gets faked by combining three different lights with different bandgaps.

>>106969820
gays are efficient, don't mock the court eunuchs unless you want to live in a shack like Ted Kaczinsky.

>>106969283 (OP)
2700K is the endgame.

>>106969999
good demonstration of why people look ill/dead under LED

>>106970242
>spend loads of money on a bulb that is strictly inferior to a $1 halogen

>>106970277
Which is twice as funny since even fucking IKEA sells 2700k 90CRI bulbs, that cost like 4€ for a two-pack.

>>106970842
link

>>106970852
>link
For... IKEA webstore?
https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/solhetta-led-leuchtmittel-e27-470-lm-rund-opalweiss-50591482/

>>106970876
meh

>>106970891
As long as it's not green tinted morgue light.

>>106969283 (OP)
Are flashlights better with LED or incandescent light?

>>106969759
they arent better the spikes in the blue light fuck with your circadian rhythm, the the lack of red light makes you mentally ill, ontop of that they have awful colour accuracy incadescent have a cri of like 99 and the majority of leds arent anywhere near that. leds also have a strobning fflicker that isnt noticable by eye but fucks with your head

the reason theyve been banned in europe and america is to make us all depressed in a way people wont notice. every single led bulb has a sharp dropoff in the red light spectrum and those wavelengths are very good for you https://optimizeyourbiology.com/light-bulb-database

my lightbulb brings all the schizos to the yard

Incandescent bulbs are obsolete. Just have an IQ over 70 and you should be able to avoid accidentally buying cool temp, low CRI LEDs.

>>106970918
yeah at least the peaks aren't at green like many warm white LEDs

>>106971358
your R9, Rf and Rg?

Is electricity ultra cheap in America?
If you were to replace your bulbs back to incadescent your powerbills will go up 3-4 times in price.

>>106971576
obviously depends on region, but here in florida main power draw is air conditioning not lighting.

>>106971804
incandescent bulbs will make the AC draw even more power since they create a ton of heat

Yeah it seems that these shizo zoomers forgot that the main reason to move away from indescents was
>big power savings (you would care if you are an adult that actually pays the bills)
>LEDs are not literal mini radiation heaters (relevant in hot countries/cities/climates)

But hey, keep yapping how white color literally makes you depressed and vomit if that makes you feel better.

>>106971815
i don't think the heat load compares enough to that of the sun outside in a small house like mine, it probably does matter when you get into large factories and stuff. I remember at work when we switched to LED electric bill went down a bunch.

>>106969283 (OP)
What is the weird chud hard-on for incandescent?Is it the conservative version of VHS/Cassette collectors despite those formats also being fucking ass?
>>106969766
I've replaced exactly one LED bulb in the last decade in my place and it's because that light fixture is kind of shitty already but it was cheaper and easier to buy a 2 dollar LED than go and buy a new fixture.

>>106969283 (OP)
Dumb. They cost fortune to turn electricity into heat. Even if you don't care about the climate, care about bills. LED bulbs are the best invention of the 20th century.

>>106969787
>LEDs are purposely made to not last as long as they potentially could.
You can replace LED with literally any mass produced thing and you would still be right, do zoomers on t know about planned obsolescence? Which, funny enough, started with old lightbulbs.

>>106969646
>the color temp and wattage choices that people made are cancer
A fucking men. I only buy warm LEDs and even then they fucking suck but are tolerable.
I have no idea why anyone wastes money on bright white LEDs. If I want to feel like I'm in an office building I'll go to fucking work.

>mfs here hating on LED bulbs
>but have no idea what kind of hell of glass shards the inventor of blue LED diode had to drag his balls through to make white color LED bulbs a reality

I swear you guys are just hating on all this because you hate japs.

>>106969283 (OP)
We need to make LED that imitates the primordial light of a caveman's campfire.

There was once a type of incandescent bulb which never burned out - https://edisontechcenter.org/NernstLamps.html - the Nernst Lamp. You can make one yourself with a piece of Zirconium Oxide from a "ceramic knife" and a current-limiting device (incandescent lamp, magnetic flourescent ballast, electronic circuit etc...). You do have to preheat the Zirconium Oxide to make it conductive, that's the main drawnack. Since the light-emitting material is already an oxide, it can not "burn out".

>>106972077
I just bought one. I read books to my kid before bedtime and would prefer not to lose my fucking eyesight before she moves out. have a good day sir.

>>106972117
Poor kid, she isn't going to be able to sleep normally because your eyes are shit.
Get glasses

>>106972048
In regards to planned obsolescence, I wonder why more people don't take advantage and undercut competition. Seems like it would be an easy boon.

They use CFCs to make our planets atmosphere more hospitable for themselves. More like their home planet.

>>106972082
While blue LEDs were hard to develop, you don't have to light your entire home in deep blue as a tribute. Also everyone saw that Veritasium video, you're not special.

>>106972077
For use cases other than general lighting. I recently made myself a 5000K 98CRI lamp for painting.

>>106972152
>everyone saw that Veritasium video, you're not special.
meanie :(

>>106970891
>that red spike
I hate these so much. They make everything look shit brown.

>>106972048
>>106972138
Rule of cheapness rules out buying something better.
Consumer attitudes are also as such that even when they are willing to buy something more expensive, it's never about the quality.

You can go to Walmart and buy some Phillips ultra efficient which will last almost forever but it's $7 a a bulb and it's only feature is they are dimmable when for $7 can get you wifi color changing RGB nonsense.
Same shit with appliances

>>106969283 (OP)
I will never run an LED again as long as I live, absolute meme bullshit for the nigger cattle.

>>106969283 (OP)
I'm sure they'll comeback with a vengeance just like CRT monitors

>>106972109
The main drawback is it needs a ballast to prevent thermal runaway. Which at the time the best they could do was an incandescent lightbulb. It's easy to make incandescent sources that never burn out if you don't care about efficiency.

>>106972324
or lumen output

>>106972261
That makes sense, on the consumer side.

I'm wondering now how feasible it is and/or what the difference is in terms of like, production and sustainability in regards to demand.

Surely demand will be lower, maybe even dramatically so, especially at first.
But in theory the production costs and stock could be dramatically lower too.
Niche filling I guess.

For light bulbs specifically, the parts and assembly are pretty basic and prevalent.
Seems like something an autist/hobbyist could potentially do.
But I lack insight so maybe it's obviously infeasible.

>>106969283 (OP)
Heckin yeah. I love having little space heaters in my light sockets!! I'm almost a fucking boomer and I hate incandescent bulbs.

>>106972328
same thing

>>106972261
Kind of a retarded argument because Walmart is strict about maintaining profit per foot shelf space. If they stay in stock for a whole year a lot of people are buying them.

Also they look like shit.

I've switched my house back to incandescent bulbs and it feels great. I even covered up the indicator leds on things like speakers and power plugs in the bedroom because the faint glow was annoying at night.
Having lots of cool lamps and nice nightlights running incandescent makes the house feel so much cozier than LED brain rot trash.
And because I'm not a fag, even my truck uses incandescent bulbs all around.

>>106971576
Yes it is.

>>106969283 (OP)
Every time I walk into Merlin's lighting section I immediately get a migraine from how blindingly abrasive the LED lighting is, same with headlights on cars. Something about these things just doesn't feel right even if they are amazingly energy efficient.

Same with those Christmas tree lights when they became LEDs. They pierce everyone's eyes. My family always complained.

>>106972488
LED headlights are the absolute depth of normalfag convenience culture depravity. Not only are they a worse light source, they're heavier and less efficient.

led lights are so fucking shit that it's amazing to witness. the street lights are the worst. indoor use is headache inducing. electricity jews should not be telling me what the fuck i can and cant do for lighting.

>>106969466
LEDs are smaller, brighter, and produce less heat. Cut yourself a length of copper wire and put into electrical socket if you miss it so badly.

>>106972542
i couldn't give a fuck if it required its own nuclear generator fuelled by the tears of environmentalists. the light it emits is trash.

>>106969466
Yeah? Those same people will then sit down and watch fox news and AI slop on youtube for 6 hours straight.

>>106972542
If only good ones cost less than $28 a pop.
>but i can't tell the difference
Good for you.

>>106972331
Lightbulbs are about as democratized as they could possibly be as they aren't limited by those who know how to blow glass and create precision filaments.
People make their own grow lights from modules and drivers. Kinda harder to DIY a bulb shape.
It's not like quality couldn't be made.

>>106972352
They take up an extremely small part of the shelving compared to the slop.
The point was that lasting shit is available but consumers will overwhelmingly pick something else.

>>106972082
more like glass sharts amirite

>>106969999
>microbes don't exist because you can't see them
tier response
>micronutrients don't matter in your food, eat the lab grown meat there's no difference
tier response

>>106972488
>even if they are amazingly energy efficient
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlzzPz3WH38

I wanna go back to boomer offices ;_;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNY2K1eO-4Y

>>106969283 (OP)
ill stick to my LED thanks

>>106970443
Good point, also
>supply and inflation
should look at market share not market size

>>106969514
It could be worse. Imagine those LEDs being RGB gayness as though the whole city lighting is a giant RGB PC.

Now THAT would be fuct

>>106969787
this is genuinely making me furious

>>106969787
> planned obsolesce
From one of the original members of the Phœbus Cartel, too. What did you expect?
Current governments don’t see this as a problem… in fact they’re invested in it.

>>106972152
Nobody’s watching veryretardium after that “electricity doesn’t flow in wires” video where he confuses a visual representatation of Poynting vectors with what actually happens (reality).

I have YujiLED bulbs but went back to incandescent for now since it's getting colder and I'd be using electric heating anyway, so the bulbs can just dissipate their own heat to contribute
I'm starting to think my fancy LEDs aren't necessarily good enough either - that, on top of high CRI, no flicker, and no flicker when dimmed, one would need LEDs that omit the blue spectrum completely, don't have terrible reds, and to rely on the sun instead whenever possible
input on that would be welcome

>>106974173
>one would need LEDs that omit the blue spectrum completely
what why?
sunlight and incandescents have blue light too

>>106974203
must be me getting confused then

>>106970936
those were the first to get high CRI versions. but you need to see that mentioned in the product details, else it's not. I love my high CRI TIP

>>106972542
>Cut yourself a length of copper wire and put into electrical socket if you miss it so badly.
This makes mustard gas.

>>106974218
it's both black-body radiation

Sun would be around the 5000K line, incandescent bulbs would be around 3000K.

>>106969514
Holy trvke

>>106970336
'by now' ?

They were already solved in 1180-1882 a period during which the Italian Alessandro Cruto had refined a (relatively) safe and stable process of creating highly pure, ultra-thin graphite filaments, by far exceeding the muck Edison was capable of producing by carbonizing bamboo. (Essentially his bulbs ran on bamboo charcoal.)

Cruto's filament solution was presented head to head against Edison's at the Electrical Exhibition of 1882 in Munich, Germany.
Where the formers filament was shown to wipe its ass with Edison's, lasting longer; being able to handle higher peak load without succumbing, and having a much more pleasant whiter tone to the light (due to less impurities in the carbon.)

Edison's shitty bulb design won out because he patented it earlier; and actually had the monetary reserves AND industrial and political connections to enforce those patents internationally with impudence.

>>106970981
>make us all depressed in a way people wont notice
This actually seems plausible

>>106974173
Sunlight actually has a sizable blue spike like most midrange LEDs. It's violet and deep reds you pay through the nose for.

>>106974442 (cont.)
Which is not so uncommon a theme when it comes to Edison.
He's well-known for many things he shouldn't be.
And not for the one thing he very much should be: the fact that he was the world's first internationally operating, massively succesful patent troll.

>>106974442
I'm still amazed the trivial shit europoorans find to seethe over.

The failure of LEDs is in not mandating minimum CRI levels and not having some flicker free rating consortium who's logo shitty drop in replacements using half-bridge rectifiers cannot use.

I redid all the lighting in my house with 95+ CRI stuff that uses PWM to adjust the brightness and it's fucking amazing. I can brilliantly light rooms in my house without generating enough heat to melt shit on my kitchen counter. The drop in replacements, even the decent ones, all fucking suck. You need dedicated LED assemblies powered by a driver that isn't near the diode, that driver needs a large enough capacitor to prevent voltage sag 120 times a second when there's no incoming power because of AC.

>>106970336
>>106969766
The drop in replacements all have tiny circuitry embedded into the base so that they mimic the aesthetics of a conventional bulb. That circuitry is not tolerant to high heat. If you have those bulbs in an enclosure, or even worse, in an enclosure pointing down, they're going to cook their own circuitry. Stuff like the cheap canless lights last decades. The first ones I installed over a decade ago have been moved to my basement and they're all still going strong despite having something like 7 years of power on time over the past 12 years. Meanwhile every single drop in bulb that went into my hallway lights upstairs died within 2 years because they were partially recessed enclosures with insulation from the attic sitting directly above them.

>>106970561
This exists for commercial lighting, but yeah, you have to do a lot of custom fuckery yourself if you want to do that at home. We were very close to biting the bullet and setting up a bunch of meanwell drivers behind a panel on each floor and buying some very expensive CoB assemblies, but we finally found some decent canless drop ins that had adjustable temperatures and CRIs above 95 (IIRC they're 98 at 3000K). It wasn't cheap, but we shouldn't have to touch them for 25 years, and it was worth every penny.

>>106970936
High end LED flashlights are better because they have good enough gamut coverage and no weird focal artefacts. Oldschool Maglite is probably the best flashlight you can get at Walmart.

>>106973449
"You too, can have a little bit of the utter fuckedness of Times Square nightlife in your tiny home town."

The real answer is full-spectrum LEDs, there are autists hunting them but ideally this would make its way into the normie consciousness and manufacturers would actually start caring about it
The technology is here and it's not that difficult to make. Yuji had a monopoly for a while so it's expensive as fucking balls, but some people are undercutting them now, like Sunsy. All we need is for enough people to start caring for mainstream manufacturers to pick up the slack.

The only other advantage of incadescents is that their spectrum extends to infrared, so it's a bit more "sunlike" in a way. Yuji, again, has extended full spectrum LEDs going into the infrared, but because it's Yuji it's like $150 per bulb. Again, this is literally just a matter of normies starting to demand it on the market, and supply will come and prices will drop.

A proper spectrum and flicker-less dimming are the only advantages incadescents have, and flicker is already solved (just not on every bulb, some manufacturers do it properly and some don't; there's plenty of flicker-free choice though).

>>106970120
https://optimizeyourbiology.com/best-natural-full-spectrum-lights

>>106974498
>that uses PWM to adjust the brightness
PWM is literally flicker, what do you mean

>>106974498
CRI is too susceptible to trolling. Shit like >>106970891 meets 95+ criteria while looking like absolute liquid fecal matter. TM30 >95 in all fields would be more acceptable. If Soraa Vivid and Waveform Absolute were normal LED quality nobody would have a problem with them.

>>106974608
Flicker is an artefact of PWM resolution too low.

>>106974626
>Flicker is an artefact of PWM resolution too low.
Can't you just dim by dropping the voltage? Imperceptible flicker is still flicker and there's no good concensus on what PWM is good enough to definitely certainly not affect your eyes or brain (is there?).

>>106974173
Sunsy bulbs are the meta for now.

>>106974654
Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that they're not necessarily better than yuji, just basically about as good and 5x cheaper. Yuji also has IR spectrum ones which sunsy doesn't have.

>>106974647
This depends on the driver
The cheap and easy way to dim an LED and switching the output on and off with a varying duty cycle. This is referred to as PWM dimming and flicker is visible when the PWM frequency is low.
PWM could also be used just as a signal for a driver, the driver detects a PWM signal and the duty cycle controls the voltage to the LEDs. Good drivers actually vary the voltage like a variable power supply would and thus no flicker at all.

>>106974647
>Can't you just dim by dropping the voltage?
Not really because they're current driven.
>but can you have a linear ballast
Yes but nobody does this at scale because it wastes way too much power.
>Imperceptible flicker is still flicker and there's no good concensus on what PWM is good enough to definitely certainly not affect your eyes or brain (is there?).
AC incandescent flicker is 10% on a .04 index. Waveform Absolute + Film Grade ballast is 0.1%, 0.00 index. There are varying opinions on what level is negligible, but good PWM LED ballast is solidly less bad than AC driven incandescent.

>>106974793
lighting is important anon

>>106969466
I could not give less of a fuck what that age group thinks

>>106974787
That's fair.
Not that incadescent was the holy grail of lighting in my opinion, just because it wasn't perfect doesn't mean modern lights shouldn't be manufactured better. But it sounds like they are (sometimes).

>>106970336
>buy LED bulbs in 2018
>buy one LED bulb in 2015
>every single one of them is still in use
>only time I "needed" to buy another one was when I WANTED to buy a black light for halloween one year
>all of them work flawlessly
I was going to ask a question, but I think I've already got my answer. It's all bullshit lies being told in a pro-incandescent thread because it's convenient for the schizo narrative.

>>106974758
The driver still has to provide the voltage to the LED.
Which means some kind of buck converter, which means PWM.

You could also use a linear regulator but that just burns off all the excess voltage as heat and is crazy inefficient when you have to drop a lot of voltage.

>>106974575
>120V
>120V
>120V
>120V

>>106974787
>Not really because they're current driven.
All decent drivers dim with voltage while keeping current the same. All the meanwell drivers I use are constant current.
Dimming without any kind of flicker is not some impossible task.

>>106974833
Buck converters can produce a smooth DC.
There is always ripple but it's millivolts and imperceptible

I've never been bothered by LED bulbs

>>106974872
They can do that because you can smooth PWM output.

>>106974868
of the options there only sunsy is 120V exclusive as far as I'm aware and it's also the one that's US-exclusive so you can't even order it as a euro
yuji has 230V options, philips I haven't checked but it's globally available

>>106974917
philips is US only and yuji costs $50-$100

>>106974934
Oh yeah huh. There's tons of bullshit like Hue and whatnot here but I don't see Ultra Definition, you might be right.
Personally I just got the aliexpress LED strips

>>106974917
>philips I haven't checked but it's globally available
dont phillips all have shit spectrums i was looking at them before it looks like you pay a brand premium but they are hardly better htan a generic chink bulb

it was cozy and warm and felt like family

>>106969992
Dimmable bulbs with different colors is ideal for sex.
Women are all low self esteem these days.
So diming the room and using a red filter helps them feel comfortable.
Then the sex is way better.

Americans and their obsession with inefficiency are something else.

>>106974787
>Not really because they're current driven.
i=u/r, or am i missing something?

>>106975029
VintaGlo lights are incandescent like.

>>106975062
>being so energy efficient you fucking rot and die because you focused on saving watts over yourself
Maybe don't overpopulate the world and produce millions of tons of consoomer garbage nobody buys in the next universe?

If LED lights are so unhealthy and incandescent lights are so inefficient, then the obvious solution is to just not to be awake when it is night time.

>>106975098
America is literally responsible for half the pollution in the world and doesn't even have a significant population...

Also, how is led bad for you? Are you stupid?

>>106975108
the solution is to use fire for illumination like god intended.

>>106975171
>the solution is to use fire for illumination like god intended
That's the same thing incandescent bulbs do.

>>106975029
my boomer mother hated electric tree lights with a passion and insisted on always using good old candles

now zoomer mothers are going to insist on good old tungsten christmas lights instead of LED lights

>>106975147
>emits almost nothing in NIR and IR
>strains your eyes
>annoying strobe/flicker
>shit color rendering
>light curve is abrasive
The drawback of incandescent besides power is that color temperature is limited due to physical limitations.

>>106975147
>America is literally responsible for half the pollution in the world
I don't care lol

>>106975171
or just embrace complete darkness
surely our descendants will adapt eventually

>>106975062
You don't understand.
I have to waste energy to own the left.

>>106969759
yellow is better than white when it comes to light at night.

>>106969466
In my third world country I haven't heard complaints about LEDs. The biggest annoyance is buying lights that are actually too bright, with also high temperatures. those turn the house into a hospital.
Warm, low wattage LEDs are fine.

>>106969759
The flickering gives me a headache

>>106974608
>>106974647
PWM at upwards of 1000HZ doesn't produce flicker that can be measured without specialized equipment. The phosphors used in LEDs don't have an instantaneous respones times. Once you're PWM is up at the Nyquist limit of the LEDs, you won't get any flicker. You can measure minor fluctuations in a lab environment with specialized equipment before you get to the limit, but even that is already well past what your eyes can see. And no, this isn't some
>humans can only see at 30fps
bullshit. We're talking about frequencies measured in kHz range. That's way beyond human abilities. Meanwell drivers (which are basically the industry gold standard) use PWM rates of 1.47kHz, and some of their models go up to 4kHz. That means you're talking about microseconds, not milliseconds.

If you point a high speed camera at an LED as it turns on you can actually see how the different compounds take different amounts of time to get warmed up. The light changes colors during the first fractions of a second as it reaches equilibrium. It's all just electrons changing energy states and getting excited, then crashing back to lower states and releasing photons under the hood, and some colors of light require chains of reactions.

The flicker we're talking about with a decent LED driver, let alone a premium one is less than the flicker produced by an incandescent bulb. (Yes, incandescent bulbs to flicker, point a 1000fps camera at one if you don't believe me.) Shitty drop in replacement LEDs flicker at 60hz because they don't have large enough capacitors and use half bridge rectifiers to cut down on costs, so they spend more than half the time receiving no power and the capacitor experiences a substantial voltage sag during that window. Better ones with full bridge rectifiers flicker at 120Hz because get a momentary sag in the capacitor every time the 60Hz AC crosses zero.

>>106974626
There are other standards, but even just mandating CRI be >85 or 90 would help a lot.

>>106975376
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95llOO2HEOs

>>106974872
>All decent drivers dim with voltage while keeping current the same. All the meanwell drivers I use are constant current
Because you're trying to measure a high frequency square wave as DC with a multimeter and getting predictably wrong results. Diodes have constant forward voltage drop. That's why they call it a 12V dimming ballast not a 0-12V dimming regulator. Any time the word 'ballast' shows up you're dealing with a current limiting source.

>>106975229
Amazing. Not a single letter you posted is true.

>>106970285
Fucking IKEA sold a cheap one that was rated among the highest.

>>106969283 (OP)
just don't use daylight bulbs everywhere. soft white is fine

Why don't they ever install LED's that imitate sodium lamps? People wouldn't bitch if that were the case.

>>106974872
>All decent drivers dim with voltage while keeping current the same
this breaks ohm's law, unless you mean it somehow heats the leds instead

>>106975073
you need to understand how leds work. there's a point where varying voltage just a bit current varies A LOT. so it's pretty much useless and your risk burning the led out.
best quality of led light is with current control, no PWM. increase/decrease current and light intensity will follow.

>>106975716
He's just measuring a cheap variable duty cycle dimmer incorrectly.

>>106974872
>All decent drivers dim with voltage while keeping current the same
that's wrong. leds have a threshold voltage where they light up and not much more until they basically burn out. you have few hundred mV at most, while current can vary amps. plus it's not linear, depending on temperature same voltage can make for more or less current, thus more or less light. that's why you use current control not voltage control.
PWM for leds is also current controlled (limited), it's just pulsed. ideally you have control over the current range. linear current control, no PWM.

I want 4w 800 lumen

>>106973449
Jesus, then going outside wouldn't be any different from being on the internet. Literal real life cyberpunk doomer shit.

>>106975725
i never tested this myself and can fully imagine that current/brightness relation is not linear but the resistance is predictable. so what's stopping from varying voltage to hit required current which would be mapped to desired brightness?

>>106975704
There're high efficiency yellow leads (still worse than blue-to-white).
>astro fags will not like them because they aren't as easy to filter as Na-Lamps

>>106975704
Waste of time and money. There are more flat earth schizos than there are incandescent/sodium lightbulb schizos, and you won't find a single company responsible for making world maps and globes create a "flat earth globe" to cater to the mentally ill. They certainly wouldn't make a specialized large orange led bulb to cater to the smaller class of mentally ills who insist upon having orange lights at night.

>>106975704
i am trying to get samples of this
>>106975833
i mean yes, it wont be easy to filter, but the shy would be way better

>>106975830
leds are very sensitive to current changes. a small voltage increase can increase the current by a lot. thus your led light output would vary by a lot depending on temperature and other factors. you'd have a shit light, if it doesn't burn out. which it most likely will. go ahead and try it lmao
this is like the literal most basic information about leds, there is not debate around it, every manufacturer recommends you do that or you will burn it. it's not some personal opinion, it's the science behind the tech. leds are not voltage driven. there is no debate around it, they are current controlled, end of discussion

I remember using 50w+ incandescent bulbs decades ago and they generated heat enough to discolor or even warp plastic light fixtures
and 50w is not even a lot for incandescent

>>106975830
consider picrel. light intensity is tied to current not voltage. what happens when it gets very hot and you voltage limit it? what happens to the current?

>>106975355
>Warm, low wattage LEDs are fine.
And this is how you become a coal miner. People need to stop staying up at night ruining their eyes.

>>106975849
why are ledtroons so hostile and antagonistic? who raped you as a child to make you this way?

>>106975963
Just be an adult and go to bed at around the same time every night regardless of how much blue light your light source of choice is using.

>>106975934
And anything below 75-100w wasn't good enough.
For general use incandescent bulbs are better than mantle lanterns, but that's all. Where're the lantern fags?

>>106975983
why are right-wingers so obsessed with raping children?

>>106975995
>he actually believes this
lol lmao even dumb troon

>>106975983
>projecting this hard
>>106975963
why are you on a computer?

>>106975897
>>106975951
the "current driven" just means you need to regulate the current. why is it so hard for you to understand what i'm proposing: just run it under the specified max current. i'm fully aware that it's stupid to run it over the current.

>>106976053
Sorry, dude but normal people don't fantasize about how random people were raped as a child or send birthday cards to child sex traffickers.

>>106969283 (OP)

Will try out some of these. They're pretty cheap

>>106975348
Using anything 'cool' makes your home look like a medical facility
>>106970818
It's CFLs that make people look green/purple. LEDs look passible but have uncomfortable flicker and glare if you buy cheap chinesium shit
>>106970981
>>106972745
>>106975983
actual mental illness

>>106976462
Halogen incandescent?

>>106976539
>micronutrients aren't important to health, bioengineered food isn't bad for you, eat the soioil food it's just fat

>>106969811
Yes. You just want warm temp LED light. That mimics the older sodium or incandecent light. LED can go much higher, but personally So around ~2K LED

>>106969811
no you dont get it your little mitochrondrial sneedies need Big Infra Red Light or they will get sad and you will turn into a depressed tranny and the (((LED))) only makes watery gay stinky fake reds

>>106976544

Checked and yes. Seems OK, it's about a dollar a pop here.

Anti incandescent always seem so goddamn forced and hostile for no reason. I run almost exclusively incandescent in my house and the cost to LED when i gave it a shot for a few months wasnt that much different but i dont have my lights on 24/7. In the day i have my blinds cracked enough to let light in and at night i usually just run lamps with low wattages in them. I dont live like a mole person but i never understood the need to have your house lit up at maximum brightness. Even when im doing electronics work, i can get away with just moving my lamp closer most of the time unless i need light directed into the cavity of something then my magnifier lamp comes out.
When i had LEDs all throughout my house, i could never get fully comfortable. it just felt like i never left work. Shadows cast differently and the overall /texture/ of the house just felt flat and uninviting. when i would look in the mirror, i just looked ill and colorless.
>if you just buy warm temp leds, its the same as incandescant
are the same flavor of person that will tell you skullcandy earbuds are good and a proper set of cans is a waste of money. God bless if you arent able to tell, but i can, without fail, see when someone lights their house with led or not. The warm temps are better, but its still not the same.

>>106976699
Those are the only incandescent that make sense, long life and relatively good efficiency (compared to the old crap)

>>106975376
>PWM at upwards of 1000HZ doesn't produce flicker that can be measured without specialized equipment.
Literally just move your eyes. You need at least 10000Hz to make PWM invisible.

>>106969992
I have these and I've written a small script that changes their color temp based on the time of day. Crank it all the way up during the morning and afternoon and then bring it down during the evening while also dimming them when it gets nearer bedtime. Helps a lot with SAD symptoms while living in the Arctic. And helps keep some sort of sleep rhythm and prepares your body for sleep. My only complaint is I'd like them to be brighter so I could have my own artificial sun in my room during the day.

>>106976261
You're just describing a constant current source. How else is it going to keep current just under maximum but by making tiny changes to voltage? There are only 2 knobs you can move here.

>>106969514
It's amazing the same environmentalists who bitch about "light pollution" clap when LEDs replaced incandescent.
It'd really be fine if they just had different brightness settings.

>>106976775
>anon doesn't understand the concept of persistence and capacitors
A buck converter controlled by current will maintain a nearly fixed ΔV to achieve a constant current. Your CPU uses multiple converters (charge pump and buck) to maintain a accurate and super stable -but responsive- vcore with a error below 1 mV.
Cheap drivers are simple AC-to-DC converters doing phase correction to be cheaper, but the phosphor and small capacitors are enough to reduce light intensity variations to < 5%. I've only seen flicker on cheap LED lamps WITH manufacturing problems.

>>106976903
>phase correction
power factor correction*

>>106976826
so if we keep the current lower, the led will be less bright, correct?

>>106976903
It's not really PWM light if there's enough analog filtering to reduce the flicker to imperceptible ripple.

I like my LED filament globes and I don't care what schizos say, you were staring into an LED while making your post btw

>>106976903
>I've only seen flicker on cheap LED lamps WITH manufacturing problems.
Flickering is common, but it's not usually PWM flicker. It's mostly bridge rectifier + capacitative dropper power supply. You get flicker at twice the mains frequency.

>>106972525
LED headlights are the best fucking thing to happen to automotive lighting in the last 100 years. No one cares about weight or efficiency when you're burning gallons of dead dinosaurs to move a multi ton cage anyway. Halogen lights are shit and cucked by legislation because they don't really do an accurate light pattern. Xenon bulbs give out more light but also suffer from the same problems without projectors. And once the projectors get dirty you're looking at a massive pain in the ass project of replacing them. High quality LED replacement bulbs for halogen lights give more light and have better low beam cutoff. Put couple hundred watts worth of LEDs to highbeams and you'll never want for more light.

>>106976903
>phosphor and small capacitors are enough to reduce light intensity variations to < 5%.
That's not true.
My Philips Hue lights use phosphor and didn't skimp on the power supply but still flicker in the kHz range.

It's just how they "dim" LED's: by turning them off a certain % of the time.
Why? - because it's much easier to control total light output this way than by fine-tuning the voltage or current.

Is it a problem?
No, like the other Anon said you cannot see flicker in the kHz range.
It only shows up when I take a picture with my DSLR at 1/8000s

>>106976999
>It's mostly bridge rectifier + capacitative dropper power supply. Y
Modern drivers use a direct AC-to-DC conversion with PFC that has a variable voltage ratio to keep constant current (using a single IC), the output isn't really influenced by the power grid. We are years light ahead than the things electronic books are still teaching (1950s-1960s tech), and that is even cheaper than the old method of a large capacitor
ie. any 1¢ LED controlled on Mouser (that is far more expensive for the same parts than Chinese suppliers)

>>106976985
miss me with that gay shit

>>106977069
>flicker in the kHz range.
Phosphor persistence says hello.

>LED headlights/streetlights absolutely eviscerate your night vision
>despite the fact that the spot that they light up is basically as bright as daylight, everything around it is completely pitch black
>roads i used to drive on just a couple of years ago that got converted from hps to led feel significantly more difficult to navigate and look for dangers because i cant see in the treeline for deer/people
>some places in the city are fucking nightmarish to get around because the streetlights are placed so far apart that it just feels like driving in a void to the point that it would be better if they just removed the streetlights all together.
HPS is important because it allows your body to start registering nighttime as nighttime. In low lighting, your eyes see better with heavy contrast which, the yellow/orange nature of HPS is basically perfect for. While its not as bright and direct, you can see better.
One of the first proposed "benefits" of LED streetlights was that it would help people from falling asleep at the wheel, which is true, but people will, in the same breath, tell you that blue light is a meme or that LED lights in the house will have no effect on you whatsoever. Just because something is brighter doesnt mean you can see better.
>>106977023
>sorry about that .1 degree grade vro
LED headlight users need shot and then rightfully justified as self defense.

>>106977104
Persistence is why flicker is expressed in terms of two numbers.

>>106977069
>No, like the other Anon said you cannot see flicker in the kHz range.
Look at a small bright reflection of the light. Flick your eyes from side to side as fast as you can. You can see phantom array effect in kHz range.
>>106977023
Car lights are often PWMed, and usually well bellow 1kHz.
>>106977090
Still lots of 100Hz/120Hz flickering lights around.

>>106977023
>Halogen lights are cucked by legislation
In 'murrica you just buy "offroad use" halogens at Walmart. Problem solved. Much better than LED.

>>106977115
>LED headlights
There're should be a law related to beam focus, a lot of retards (carmakers including) using things like picrel because they didn't care about designing a new optics.

>>106977023
LED replacement bulbs are a bad idea and often illegal.
The armature is made to work with a specific bulb and even a tiny change like a smaller or larger light source or a light source that shines in a slightly different direction has a major impact on the final beam.

LED headlights are indeed superior but only on modern cars that are designed for them.

>>106977123
>Still lots of 100Hz/120Hz flickering lights around.
If you consider it as a problem for modern LED then let me tell you that a filament flickers way worse because it cools down between peaks (2*f).

>>106977104
Like I said: I've tested it using my DSLR, there is clear flicker.

Maybe phosphor will persist in the 100kHz range but not down in the single digit kHz range.

>>106977150
I don't think you're aware how fucking retarded modern filament bulbs are.

>>106977164
>but not down in the single digit kHz range.
Dimmer LED or normal LED bulbs? Because the switching frequency of the driver itself is in the high tens to low hundreds of KHz. Normal LEDs will have the worst flicker at 2*f.

>>106977090
These are actually really uncommon now. Probably 90% of retail bulbs sold today use a basic capacitor dropper. Long gone are the days when white LEDs were a big deal and everyone was running pornographically overwrought full range digital PFC controllers.

>>106977181
>filament leds
That is the worst kind of LED because aesthetic is more important than performance.

>>106977218
Smart LED's set to around 50% brightness.
I wanted to test the worst case scenario.

>>106977181
>Filament LEDs
Well, yeah, those are sacrificing performance for appearance, lighting-wise they aren't the best performers, but they're relatively common.

>>106977230
>full range digital PFC controllers.
Cheap chinese white LED bulbs have a single-IC with PFC to reduce the size of the capacitor (high temperature capacitors are expensive). literally it's cheaper to make a better LED driver than use the old methods.

>>106977115
>>106977142
If LED replacement bulbs produce a bad light pattern it's only because the bulb is of bad quality. All the Philips bulbs I've used have produced a better low beam cutoff than halogen bulbs in all the cars I've tried them. Yes they're illegal for road use but I've inspected my car with them for years and no one cares because the beam pattern is better than with legal halogen bulbs. I also have had illegal extra high beam setups for years and again no one cares as long as they're properly installed and you turn them off early enough. I don't care if my lights are legal or not, I'm driving on frozen roads full of deer and moose for half the year. I'm turning night into day rather than trusting my luck.

>>106977138
Plenty of OEM LED lights are dogshit when it comes to optics. Those are the ones that are blinding you 99% of the time. Again, because they could save a penny per unit and forced their supplier to provide them with the cheapest units they can physically produce. That leads to shit optics that bleed light above the low beam cutoff.

>>106977133
They're available in Europe also but they're not as good as the new LED replacement bulbs. Also to get anything of value from off road halogens you'll need to rerun the cables to the headlights straight from the battery because car manufacturers saved a penny and put the thinnest cables they could find that cuck your lights out of the juice they need.

Is flicker better with 220V than 110V LED bulbs since there would be more voltage near the zero crossing point?

>>106977262
In that case it's possible, I assumed that you were talking about normal 'dumb' bulbs.

>>106977138
There are laws related to brightenss and hi beam usage, etc. But itl take years for a beam focus related law to make any real difference because police dont give a fuck about headlights being portable suns unless youre someone like me who still runs halogens and have your hi beams on just so you can see past someone. Then that someone turns out to be a cop and you get a ticket for improper usage but its alright for everyone else on the road to just do whatever.

>>106977272
Voltage is the same because you're running them behind a constant current source. The only thing that helps flicker somewhat is 60 vs 50Hz.

>>106977138
LED headlights are the one and only place where anti-LED campaigning makes sense. Even then, half the problem is the cars using them are all using stupid fucking "smart automation" for the high beams so they're constantly turning on the high beams at times they're never needed, and the angling of them is such that even when the "smart automation" realizes there's a fucking car on the other end being blinded, the low beams are angled high enough to shine right in the eyes.

>>106977322
>behind a constant current source
But it's a constant current source that's far from perfectly constant and affected by the periodic voltage drop in AC.
At 220V the time the waveform drops below a usable voltage would be shorter.
Wouldn't that make it easier to smooth it out?

>>106977270
>everyone else has super bright headlights making it so i cant see
>so i will get brighter headlights
>everyone else has super bright headlights
>so i will get brighter headlights
>everyone else has super bright headlights so i cant see
Its just a constant pissing match, if everyone went back to halogen/hps today, most people would realize this shit is absolutely unnecessary. I dont have moose, but deer are a plague where i am. On twisting, tight back roads halogens are more than enough when ive had a couple of minutes without being passed by another car and getting flashbanged
>pic rel, my lights
I enjoy the comfort and quiet of night and I do my best to not disturb what it offers. I will never not be upset that my comfy night drives have been taken from me.

>>106977293
Just be a cleanly shaved white man wearing a dress shirt driving a non piece of shit car.

You can drive 15 over the limit as long as you aren't weaving in and out during heavy traffic, and nobody gives a fuck.

>>106969787
>Can't hear a fucking thing
How can anyone post avideo like that andbe content with it?

>>106977371
No because you're using different values in your capacitor dropper to compensate for the different line voltage. The actual power that gets through to the LED is the same.

>>106976985
>you were staring into an LED while making your post btw
wrong, I am staring into an LCD with a fluorescent backlight

>>106977492
>No because you're using different values in your capacitor dropper
Do they?
I figured most LED bulbs are universal for the economy of scale

>>106977406
Move somewhere that's not infested with retards so that they turn off their high beams for oncoming traffic. There's a reason all my extra high beams are behind a separate switch. And as I said, the LED conversion bulbs I have are producing LESS stray light to oncoming traffic.

Another positive for having more than enough lights on your car is that when some tired or drunken retard forgets to turn off their high beams they'll do it pretty fucking fast when you flash them with yours.

>>106977509
If it's full range they step the voltage up to 400V and then put the ballast in front of that. Still the same power.

>>106977497
OK gramps. Time for a nap.

i hate leds; commies; the antichrist

an incandescent-backlit monitor would be incredibly based

>>106977542
I'm 23

>>106977523
its not about the hi or low beam. I would prefer to be hi beamed by halogens over an LED. Its the fact that the LEDs beam pattern is focused like a laser and where i live, the only roads that are flat are bridges and thats if youre lucky. Any sort of grade other than completely flat shines straight into your fucking face with the full force of the beam.
I belive that yours are fine, i have no reason not too. Because not every car is unbearably bright when high quality lights are properly mounted, and fit, but its worth parking on a hill and walking up to see what theyre like at night. A friend of mine just got a new jeep. We went driving and with him behind me, it was fucking horrible because they rest straight at my eyeline. I had him sit in my seat once we got to where we were going and he had no idea thats what he was hitting me with the entire ride.

>>106977468
sounds like a you problem

>>106977715
>Constantly moves away from mic
>You problem

>>106975229
>>strains your eyes
>>annoying strobe/flicker
>>shit color rendering
>>light curve is abrasive
What in the eveloving fuck are you retards buying? The 3000k and 2700k LED bulbs I've got all look basically indistinguishable from incandescents. Are you trying to light your hope with some RGB LED strip or some shit?

>>106977754
Sounds fine to me.
Me thinks you have a psychological issue that makes something that's a non-issue for others, something that is very bothersome to you.

incandescent lights are gay modern crap for zoomers

good old carbon arc lamps are where it's at
dead simple, easy to repair, and its light is the closest to sunlight out of all electric light sources.

>>106977840
>cancer inducing lamps

>>106977845
That's a weird way to describe the Sun.

we should ban artificial light this way I can rape women at night without getting caught. only whores go out at night anyway. jai shri ram

>>106977887
Since the dawn of Humanity, Man has waged war upon the Sun.

>>106977406
wtf did you take this pic from my car
I could've sworn I drove in that exact spot a bit over a week ago

>>106978160
maybe you did and we live close to each other

>>106969283 (OP)
why is the pic an LED?

>>106969466
No one has used CFLs in the better part of a decade. Hate LED all you want, but don't pretend CFLs aren't worse.

>>106969283 (OP)
And they'll last half as long

>>106978244
omg no way we can meet up epic style I'll wait at that road place right now
on more detailed scrutiny I guess this could be a lot of places but are you evropan?

>>106976985
I'm still using a old af monitor with a fluorescent backlight.

Also I think even the schizos would agree there is nothing wrong with using leds for backlights. A good CRI is completely unnecessary for that use case.

>>106978021
>>106977840

who care about halogen, just don't buy white leds like retards or even better buy one that can change color
you are all so retarded, waste of a thread

LEDs would be great if they didn't FUCKING START FLICKERING WAY BEFORE THEIR CLAIMED LIFESPAN EVERY FUCKING TIME EVEN ON "GOOD" BULBS

>>106979037
Claimed lifespan is for a very specific temperature range and mounting (that in general isn't the usual). Heat is the main killer, someone should sell aftermarket heatsinks to reduce temp.

>>106978680
omg i just got back, i hope you havent been waiting too long. But, no this is NE burgerstan

>>106975062
There's nothing inefficient about doing what you want to do.
Why should you do or use something that you don't want to?

>>106975983
It's strange. You'd think if the type of people they think they're describing were so small in number, and their ideas so "beyond the pail" that it wouldn't even be a blip on the proverbial radar, and here they are ranting about the flat vs globe psyop. The strong language, dismissive tone and binary "normal vs mental illness" is more an indicator of their own issues than anything else. Look how more attack you.

>>106979160
>There's nothing inefficient about doing what you want to do.
What I want to do is light my house.
And incandescent bulbs are very inefficient at doing what I want.

>>106979188
If you don't care about anything else, good for you. But if you like a particular kind of lighting, why would you do something you don't like?

>>106969283 (OP)
>ancient repost
>xer engagement bait about retarded shit
DEAD INTERNET

>>106978940
It actually is, but monitors are like 10 years ahead of lightbulbs in LED quality.

>>106972117
Bright white light is AWFUL for circadian rhythm.
You are fucking up your childs sleep cycle you blind retard

>>106973778
For me it was the video on IQ tests. He was trying to see if studying for the test could raise a person's score, but instead of taking the test, then studying and retaking it.
He just studied and took the test without a control. He's so smug about getting a 133iq after studying and practicing with the exact style of questions asked on IQ tests.
Peak midwit behavior.

>>106971576
first of all yes electricity is much cheaper than dumps like Germany or the UK.

second, no, your powerbill doesn't 3x from incandescent bulbs are you retarded?

>>106972007
>don't care about the climate, care about bills
eurofag brainwashing is pretty spectacular. you guys are in for a ROUGH couple years, buy a helmet.

>>106972370
Not preferring incandescent indoor light ober led/etc is a basic test of soul. I think only someone who has literally never been around a properly lit indoor space would say otherwise.

>>106974558
>only other advantage of incadescents is that their spectrum extends to infrared, so it's a bit more "sunlike" in a way.
you're saying that real light is a tiny advantage when it's the major factor that matters. seriously get a lamp and an incandescent bulb and no other lights in your room. you'll immediately understand.

>>106974809
>I could not give less of a fuck what that age group thinks
that's great but they are the age group who lived for most of their life with incandescent bulbs and are the ones who understand just how shit the new lights are in comparison. this is one of those arenas in which experience - gained through age - is relevant. you can ignore their take on your haircut (it's gay) but you ignore them on this topic at your own peril. note that they don't care if you listen they prefer you go die in war anyway.

>>106975049
fuck her in the dark with the lights off you retard

>>106971576
Most of my electric bill goes towards the air conditioner, washer, dryer, refrigerator, and computer. A couple of 60 watt light bulbs aren't that much compared to that.

>>106971815
60W isn't that much, and most bulbs you find these days are 40W or 25W. To give you an idea, most PC processors are 90W, and your average TV is 110W or more.

>>106975147
>America is literally responsible for half the pollution in the world and doesn't even have a significant population...

No, that's China.

>>106972007
I'll accept the higher bill, I like the look of them.

>>106977023
>Put couple hundred watts worth of LEDs to highbeams and you'll never want for more light.
That's the problem. Those things are too damn bright

>>106981112
>>106981106
I think these tards have no windows or they're shut and they have just tons of light fixtures blasting, trying to make their indoor space as bright as outside at noon in the summer.

During the day you shouldn't even have your lights on just open your fucking curtains. At night you only need a few lamps. Indoor spaces at night shouldn't be super bright - 40w incandescent bulbs were normal for most uses back in the day.

>>106975062
Inefficient dated technologies are cool. Their more efficient replacements are ugly, boring, and soulless.

>>106976985
>He doesn't use a CRT with his incandescent bulbs

>boomers buy a 4 pack of walmart brand LED bulbs for 2 dollars
>cannot comprehend why their lights look like shit and fail after 3 months
man it's nice able to spend 5 minutes learning about something
decent bulbs aren't even expensive. I got some 100w replacement 90+ CRI bulbs from home depot for $6 each, don't have fancy equipment to test but I use them for ebay photos and the color is pretty good

>>106977840
Aren't those things loud as fuck? Do they make the air smell like a welding shop?

>>106978005
How would you see to rape them?

>>106981198
Why did the $2 pack of incandescents last longer?

>>106969514
>I'm a brain rotted retard
Nigger you couldn't tell the difference unless some Facebook boomer meme told you to care about it

>>106969466
>looking for incandescent bulbs, but making do with CFLs
peak contrarianism right here lmao

>>106981144
500W halogen room heaters with dimmers had long become standard. If you are entertaining company you want a well lit room. A reading light doesn't cut it.

>>106981212
because a bit of wire in a glass is already so cheap that if the manufacturer cheaped out even more, it wouldn't work at all
vs half a dozen active components that are only profitable at that price point if they source from some chinese dude pulling factory rejects out of a bin

>>106969283 (OP)
How long until they realize that LEDs also come in warm tones like orange?>>106969349
FPBP

>>106976935
you cannot keep the current lower, since you are NOT controlling the current. you are controlling the voltage. thus current won't be "under the limit" since you are not controlling it.
a led is a fucking diode, it's that simple. if you do not limit the current you can have a thermal runaway and it fries itself. increased temperature increases the current draw at same voltage, which increases the temperature which again increases the current and it eventually shits itself
>no but what if we do it in the most dumbfuck way against all literature and science on the subject
go right ahead you dimwit

>>106981198
>he thinks 90+ CRI is enough

>>106972370
>gets autistic about lights on electronics at night
>leaves electronics on

>>106976985
these vintage plasma(?) bulbs are the most kino tech for that purpose

>>106981300
https://youtu.be/7KvIzyij4P8
https://youtu.be/kB-_UWT7K1k

>>106981288
Yes, I do
I could go spend 100 bucks per bulb on some fancy "photography" lights but considering most of the people buying my stuff on ebay are using tiny phone screens with OLED burns, I'm perfectly fine with "doesn't look like shit"

>>106981340
CRI just means it's been tested against 15 colour samples. And that's 15 max, it could be as few as 8. It's basically meaningless. You need to look at its TM-30 rating (99 samples).

>>106981300
they're neon glow lamps

>>106981105
being able to see the women helps me enjoy the sex

>>106981414
still nice. wish they made a comeback with modern themes

>>106981447
I have a 90s one somewhere, but I never got it working because I'm too lazy to figure out how to 230V->~120V

>>106981467
https://www.mcmaster.com/products/step-down-transformers/international-ac-to-ac-transformers-6/
get a step down transformer. AC-AC so no electronics, just a 2:1 transformer. they work both ways. feed 120V to one side you get 240V on the other, or reverse.
but for a lightbulb of that power any small 2:1 transformer should be fine, it's like 5-10W or something at most

>>106981492
yeah, but even the smallest ones are still relatively expensive for novelty use. whereas the chink ones on ebay are cheap but scary. so i'm just putting the task off indefinitely until i get the sudden autistic urge, i suppose.

>>106981204
with the moonlight?

>>106975062
Maybe the true efficiency was the friends we made along the way.

>>106975849
There are a shitton of yellow and orange LEDs being manufactured thoughever. It's just that the cities aren't putting them in streetlights.

>>106976803
>I'd like them to be brighter
More LEDs gets expensive and also quickly needs bigger heatsinks (and standard form factor bulbs already often have undersized heatsinks). You can buy speciality bright lights (see Yuji again) or you should just buy a set of bulbs and use them all together.

My only big critique about LEDs is they make your hair look more white/grey than it is.

>>106981084
Where did I imply it was a tiny advantage?
>incadescents have this advantage
>LEDs can be manufactured that match this advantage
>the market should demand this so that manufacturers actually put in the effort
What part of this implies that the advantage is in any way small or insignificant

>>106982282
keep coping grandpa

>>106979079
damn likewise also it's over for same-place bros

>>106972117
why not just get a flashlight? bet the kid's also gonna find that cooler than a bright ass light

>>106981378
actually I just need to look at the light it produces to know it's acceptable

>>106976752
Based