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Anonymous No.106974536 [Report] >>106974951 >>106976017 >>106976535 >>106977343 >>106988091 >>106992027 >>107002581
/hpg/ - Headphones General
Talk about headphones.

Previous thread >>106941056
Anonymous No.106974587 [Report]
i have sennheiser x58 jubilees for neutral wired listening. i have sony xm6 for wireless commute and noise cancelling so i don't' have to listen to niggers on the train.

how based is this?
Anonymous No.106974907 [Report] >>106976165 >>106976218
Thoughts on Ananda Unveiled?
Kinda wanna get it just for that sexy exposed planar driver look.
Anonymous No.106974951 [Report]
>>106974536 (OP)
So my Sennheiser game one headset's finally kicking the bucket after a decade of usage.
What are some good options to choose from?
Anonymous No.106975158 [Report] >>106999262
Currently I own a Momentum 3 (4 years old) and a HD 560S (3 years old). I live in a high traffic area and the Momentum is used whenever the noise is insufferable, while the HD 560S is gets more use at night and when I have to spend long hours in meetings, as it is more comfortable.
Now I'm wondering what would be an upgrade for my Momentum 3, recently the battery rarely holds for more than 2 days of usage, and I've always felt the noise cancelling to be a bit lacking. The sound quality is decent enough, definitely not as good as the HD 560S (or even my late HD 558 for that matter), but it's fine. I would definitely prefer to not buy something with worse sound quality than this though, while at the same time getting an improvement in the noise cancelling department. I looked around the market and previous threads, it seems that the Bose QC Ultra, Sennheiser HDB 630 and the Sony XM6 are the new flagships. Given my past headphones, the HDB 630 looks to be the only actual upgrade, but I wonder if the Sony and Bose are actually that worse in sound quality when compared to the Momentum 3. Any thoughts?
Anonymous No.106975821 [Report] >>106979513
I can't tell a difference at all between my shit stack and my mobos realtek alc892. I have 6xx. am I going deaf?
Anonymous No.106976017 [Report] >>106976111 >>106976129
>>106974536 (OP)
>Talk about headphones.
And speakers
Anonymous No.106976111 [Report]
>>106976017
What's a good Bluetooth speaker, preferably under 100$.
Anonymous No.106976129 [Report] >>106977701
>>106976017
ok what are some good desktop speakers?
are picrel any good?
Anonymous No.106976165 [Report]
>>106974907
>Unveiled
Anonymous No.106976202 [Report] >>106989334
Any good headphones yet.
Anonymous No.106976205 [Report]
I currently have a ATH-M50X, still working after many years but I'm tired of his signature, too much boomy bass sometimes, and treble are not to my liking. Is getting a MDR-M1 worth it ? Is it a upgrade or a sidegrade ? Or just a waste of money
Anonymous No.106976218 [Report] >>106976295
>>106974907
Anonymous No.106976295 [Report] >>106977273
>>106976218
how does that even happen?
I'm pretty sure whatever did that kind of damage would have damaged the driver even if it were covered
Anonymous No.106976535 [Report] >>106976644 >>106976680 >>106981363 >>106989334
>>106974536 (OP)
I'm struggling to find a good pair of headphones /g/uys.
I've only ever had one pair of headphones I find comfortable to wear for long periods of time, and that's the HyperX Cloud Stinger's. I'm just tired of dealing with the cable and I want to move to wireless.
After a long struggle I just decided to buy the wireless version of them, the HyperX Cloud Stinger 2 Wireless, and the audio is horrible. It sounds muddy and you're forced into some proprietary crap to EQ them.
My requirements:
>Comfortable for all-day usage
>Ideally under $200
>Fits on big heads, low clamp force
>Wireless (bluetooth or 2.4ghz)
>doesn't sound like complete dogshit
This criteria seems nearly impossible to get for me. I have a pair of Sony Ch720N's and they are very uncomfortable, I struggle fitting into most wireless bluetooth headphones. After 30 seconds of wearing them, there is an intense pressure on my temples that I am not able to get rid of even after stretching them out for over a month.
Anonymous No.106976644 [Report]
>>106976535
Maybe try Sony Inzone H5. It's extremely comfortable.
Anonymous No.106976680 [Report] >>106976783 >>106983596
>>106976535
There are no good headphones.
Anonymous No.106976783 [Report]
>>106976680
I think a good pair has to exist for me... somewhere. I'm not an audiophile, I don't need top tier quality audio. This is the profile of what I'm currently using. This + comfortable enough for long settings and wireless would be ideal.
Anonymous No.106976949 [Report]
post playlists
Anonymous No.106976969 [Report] >>106977245 >>106978905 >>106980748 >>106980773
how come my shooting earmuffs seal perfectly, don't fall off with movement, don't hurt my earts after hours but headphones can't?
Anonymous No.106977245 [Report]
>>106976969
Because you're shit at buying headphones.
Anonymous No.106977273 [Report] >>106979094
>>106976295
That foil is only a few microns thick. It really shouldn't be left uncovered. Some planar are known to break just from the force of people breaking the vacuum seal formed by the cups on their sweaty ears.
Anonymous No.106977343 [Report] >>106977387 >>106977740 >>106980773 >>106981849
>>106974536 (OP)
I might buy these in the near future
Anonymous No.106977387 [Report]
>>106977343
me too I'm just waiting for black Friday to see if they will go on discount to get them
Anonymous No.106977701 [Report] >>106978010
>>106976129
I liked my audioengine a2+, i dont use them anymore because i had leftover good bookshelf speakers and a sub so i those but they do take up way more room which kind of a bummer
Anonymous No.106977740 [Report]
>>106977343
I'm also eyeing these
Anonymous No.106978010 [Report] >>106979095
>>106977701
>audio engine
But reddit audiophile seem to hate these.
Anonymous No.106978905 [Report]
>>106976969
modify your shooting earmuffs to have audio drivers in them, best of both worlds.
Anonymous No.106979094 [Report] >>106979627 >>106982424
>>106977273
Since geneled made dynamic driver headphones I assume planars and estats are a pointless technology
Anonymous No.106979095 [Report]
>>106978010
The a2+ definitely aren't amazing but theyre better than other small speakers ive had/owned. I wasnt aware they were disliked, i got them 8-10 years ago. Theyre pretty heavy and overall look/feel premium.
Anonymous No.106979513 [Report]
>>106975821
Damn, cute girl. Post more of her.
Anonymous No.106979627 [Report]
>>106979094
I'll never understand the producer larp obsession with genelec
Anonymous No.106979849 [Report]
Any thoughts on the new DT770 Pros?
Anonymous No.106980748 [Report]
>>106976969
i turned one of these earmuffs into a headset.
i just popped off the cushioning, took the electronic bits out of my other headset (cheap chinese trash), drilled a small hole for a jack, and popped the cushioning back in.

its what i'm using right now, and it keeps most of the sound out.
only one side works though, because my cats chewed the wires ;_;
Anonymous No.106980773 [Report] >>106981057 >>106981453
>>106977343
you see that arch connecting the two ear pieces?
that is made of some cheap resin plastic.

these designs aren't intended to last, and are are the weakpoints, unless its made of metal from ear to ear like >>106976969 those headphones wont last.

just buy shooting earmuffs and modify them with some good quality audio electronics. for the best of both worlds.
Anonymous No.106981057 [Report]
>>106980773
>PLASTIC BAD
I'm tired of you low iq fags. Plastic is perfect for headphones to keep the weight down. I have never had a plastic headphone break on me.
Anonymous No.106981343 [Report]
How often do you change the ear pads of your DT770? Or do you just wash them? Mine are full of grime, really dirty.
Anonymous No.106981363 [Report]
>>106976535
>>Wireless (bluetooth or 2.4ghz)
>>doesn't sound like complete dogshit
Pick one, and you'll find a pair
Anonymous No.106981453 [Report] >>106981849
>>106980773
if it is similar to the 7506 then those plastic will last, biggest issue is the faux leather on the headband
Anonymous No.106981466 [Report] >>106982202 >>106984005
never needed anything else
Anonymous No.106981849 [Report] >>106982340 >>106983528 >>106995515
>>106981453
Or worse the earpads. Why doesn't Sony sell any official earpads for their headphones?
The earpads on my MDR-M1ST are ripped and starting to crack and the only proper replacement I can find is the yaxi earpad which will affect the sound of the headphones.
>>106977343
The only reason I might go for the HD490 pro instead is because of the damn earpads.
Anonymous No.106982202 [Report]
>>106981466
These are very uncomfortable for me. The earcubs are just too shallow for my ears.
Anonymous No.106982244 [Report] >>106983672
i currently have the sennheiser pc37x headset. im happy w it but the cord does get annoying often.
are there any wireless headsets with similar sound quality that arent 500+? doesnt have to be open back
Anonymous No.106982340 [Report] >>106983697
>>106981849
oh they do, via encompass if you are in the US
locally for me i had to head down to their service center to order them, it's like 40usd for a pair
no idea why they do that instead of selling it directly on their online store
Anonymous No.106982424 [Report] >>106983972
>>106979094
>I assume planars and estats are a pointless technology
Or you could stop saying dumb shit and go listen to estats to see for yourself.
Whatever is that in the pic is garbage. It's not made for hifi listening.
Anonymous No.106983528 [Report]
>>106981849
Aren't there chink clone pad on ali express?
Anonymous No.106983596 [Report]
>>106976680
>There are no good headphones.
Anonymous No.106983672 [Report]
>>106982244
Problem with wireless headsets is the latency.

When you watch a movie via wireless headphones the video player delays the image so audio and video stay synchronized.
But you can't do that when playing games or doing anything interactive.

There are low latency codecs but they have very poor sound quality.
Anonymous No.106983697 [Report] >>106985157
>>106982340
>no idea why they do that instead of selling it directly on their online store
Because they want you to buy new headphones instead, obviously.
Anonymous No.106983972 [Report] >>106984124 >>106991640
>>106982424
Genunine question, what's so special about Estats? Asking because I have a chance to buy some Esp95x for <$500.
Anonymous No.106983999 [Report] >>106984127 >>106999297
Can someone recommend a normie tier headset?
>~100 bucks
>wired or wireless
>should have a mic
Anonymous No.106984005 [Report] >>106984517
>>106981466
Mine broke within a year of owning them. The suspension headband is just fragile
Anonymous No.106984124 [Report] >>106984464 >>106991656
>>106983972
Very low distortion, mostly. Some people claim they have inherently better detail retrieval than other driver types but that's nonsense. Most estats can't do bass well so that gives the illusion of more detail since there's no bass to balance out the (usually high) treble. And that Koss electrostat you mentioned is pretty good after some EQ but keep in mind unlike newer Stax models or other modern estats, the ESP95x has no dust cover. And estats will die if they're exposed to dust while energized. So better get some sort of cover for them or consider an electrostat model with a built in dust cover. Still, planars are better imo. Not that any driver type inherently sounds a certain way, it's all about tuning and implementation of the technology.
Anonymous No.106984127 [Report]
>>106983999
the sub $100 tier for all forms of audio (excluding iems) are dominated by warehouse deals, and used items with little to no use. The first thing I'd do would be to check warehouse deals on amazon in your country, of a bunch of generic ones. Audio technica gaming headsets usually are on mine for like 80% off, and in the 25 warehouse deals i've ordered 3 were ever really 'used' and two were obvious return swaps. Aside from that I'd just try and find something that doesn't have obvious design flaws, like the arctis original line did from steelseries. I won't con-volute past that, my apologies, but it gives you somewhere to start. apologies
Anonymous No.106984152 [Report] >>106984188 >>106984351 >>106984529 >>106984786 >>106999262
I see the HBD 630 being called "not a gaming headset" but why? Haven't got my set in yet so I can't comment on the latency but it can't be crippling for singleplayer shit can it? I don't want to frame perfect 360 noscope children online anyway.
Anonymous No.106984188 [Report]
>>106984152
>HBD 630
>$699 CAD
dear god the new shit they come out with these days is so absurd, my aeons open box were like $450 post taxes,used hd 800's for $800. The used market is looking better than it ever has before.
>Haven't got my set in yet so I can't comment on the latency but it can't be crippling for singleplayer shit can it?
I can't imagine it would really matter in a single player environment, maybe if it was something like osu it would feel bad, or similar style games.
Anonymous No.106984351 [Report] >>106984955
>>106984152
Not really crippling for singleplayer but lipsync will be fucked with bluetooth latency.
Anonymous No.106984464 [Report]
>>106984124
Thanks, but I don't think I want to try Estats any more.
Anonymous No.106984517 [Report] >>106984557 >>106985041
>>106984005
Daily rocking them for more than 6 years and no issues. Some bit of transparent plastic broke under the leather but didn't affect anything.
I think these were made in two different places, first they were made in Europe for a while and they they switched to some Asian factory and quality might have changed. I think I remember something about that but I read about it quite a few years back. I will probably get a new set of cups though, these aren't as they used to be new, but not too bad.
Anonymous No.106984529 [Report] >>106999262
>>106984152
What defines gaymen in the market is low latency and boom mics. The HDB is not competitive in latency (not terrible though), and it has no boom mic support, as for some reason Sennheiser put the 2.5mm in the wrong side to be used with the boom mic they just released.
Anonymous No.106984557 [Report] >>106985041 >>106989969
>>106984517
Mine were made in Austria.

The headband plastic snapped on the left side within 3 months and then on the right side about 8 months after that. Once both sides were broken, it just sat poorly on my head so the earcups were sitting lower than they should've been.
Anonymous No.106984786 [Report]
>>106984152
I play single player games (mostly weebshit like JRPG and VNs) with my old Momentum 3 and it's fine. Maybe it would be a problem for competitive FPS because of the aforementioned latency issue but I am nowhere near close to that market/use-case.
Anonymous No.106984955 [Report]
>>106984351
I tried patapon over bluetooth once. Literally unplayable.
Anonymous No.106985041 [Report] >>106989969
>>106984517
>>106984557
The AKG K712 was moved from Vienna, Austria to Slovakia in very late 2014. Where they're still produced to this day, along with the K812/K872.

Production of almost every model below the K712's were moved to China around 2009/10.
Anonymous No.106985157 [Report]
>>106983697
which is fucking stupid, no one is buying a bunch of 200$ headphones for a studio expecting to throw them away in a couple of years
the mdr 7506 earpads are sold directly to various stores (such as thomann.de for europe) just fine, plus those headphones have a service manual and every single bit and bolt available as a spare part.
then sony wonders why nobody is buying the mdr m1 while the 7506 are still after 40 years some of the most popular studio headphones ever... maybe because repairability is one of the most important features for a pair of studio headphones? yeah no shit it doesn't sell
it's a shame because the headphones themselves are very good, but i'm not going through the whole bullshit of contacting a parts supplier just to be billed 80+€ for a pair of pads every year and a half.
plus the whole "it's more profitable with planned obsolescence" bullshit isn't even true, beyerdynamic made repairable headphones into a pretty good business model, in 10 years of ownership you've likely spent more on spare pads and headbands than what the whole headphone originally costed, plus it increases sales of headphones themselves a lot (dt 770 is the most sold studio headphone for the past decade).
so yeah fuck sony, good thing the entire company is going to shit.
Anonymous No.106985217 [Report] >>106985662 >>106986212 >>106986267 >>106986378 >>106988865 >>106989354 >>106994111
Our response?
Anonymous No.106985662 [Report] >>106986212
>>106985217
Adding wireless connection as an option for a headphone that nobody who values their money would ever use away from their desktop is big gay.
Anonymous No.106986212 [Report] >>106986254 >>106986267 >>106986388
>>106985217
based. I think this is the first true warless open back headphones. I hope it's not too expensive.

>>106985662
>boomer take
FUCK wires. It's boomer like you who hold headphone manufacturers from making wireless headphones and improving the technology.
It's not the 80s any more. If we are able to have lossless music streaming, we sure as fuck can have lossless warless open back headphones.
Anonymous No.106986228 [Report]
I can get either a Sony WH-1000XM3 for $110 or a Cambridge Audio Melomania P100 for $170. Both in great condition. Which is the better choice in terms of audio quality and noise cancellation? I'm not an audiphile, I just want something decent to use during my commute and on my PC at home
Anonymous No.106986254 [Report] >>106986319 >>106986319
>>106986212
Why would I willingly introduce additional latency and potential inteference with my audio signal?

Not to mention the existing bluetooth audio implementations simply don't deliver enough bandwidth consistently for higher-bitrate audio. So you either comrpess it lowering the bitrate, or use a proprietary wireless standard with more bandwidth available that still has more latency than a wire would.
Anonymous No.106986267 [Report]
>>106985217
Hifiman DACs are fucking terrible. If they used literally anything else it could be promising.
>>106986212
I have all parts to make TWS openbacks but headphones are obsolete. LCD-GX + mini-XLR to MMCX adapter + ifi go pod + eppfun LDAC dongle.
Anonymous No.106986319 [Report] >>106987727
>>106986254
> introduce additional latency and potential inteference with my audio signal
Why are you assuming that these issues will still exist if big headphone manufacturers started actually spending money on r&d to improve wireless audio technology?

>>106986254
>bluetooth
Wifi 2.4 signal exists, you know.
Anonymous No.106986378 [Report]
>>106985217
not buying chifiman build quality shit sorry chang
Anonymous No.106986388 [Report] >>106986990
>>106986212
Is this bait? Why exactly do I need or even want my open backs to be wireless? Open backs are meant to be for more meditative/analytical listening sessions hence why they lack portability. Y'know what doesn't? My Porta Pros that I can fit in my lunchbox.
Anonymous No.106986484 [Report]
>analytical listening
Anonymous No.106986502 [Report] >>106999262
I'm buying the HDB 630, fuck it, fuck my wallet too!
Anonymous No.106986990 [Report]
>>106986388
keep buying those snakeoil $1000 cables, boomer
Anonymous No.106987727 [Report] >>106987862
>>106986319
>Why are you assuming that these issues will still exist if big headphone manufacturers started actually spending money on r&d to improve wireless audio technology?
Because they've been working on it for over a decade already and we're still not there.

For me personally, I need sub-40ms audio latency so I don't notice audio/video syncing problems. I also want lossless uncompressed audio, which rules out all current low-latency wireless codecs. And even then things like aptX Lossless are unable to do consistent sub 40ms audio in the real world (it can do ~32ms in a lab setting). Once you get a dirty real world environement with multiple wifi access points broadcasting nearby, multiple other bluetooth devices, and people occasionally turning on their microwave near you, it's going to cause increased latency and potentially lower bandwidth if the signal quality is decreased too much.

The biggest issue for wireless signals isn't the latency in wireless signal propogation, it's the latency introduced when you need to convert the audio to a wireless signal, and then convert that wireless signal back into audio at the other end. That digital signal processing is the primary cause of latency and while improvements HAVE happened over the last decade, they're still not good enough for a discerning listener.

I agree the average normie won't notice/care about the latency, but it's still not good enough that someone who works professionally with audio/video wouldn't notice the sync delay.
Anonymous No.106987862 [Report] >>106988016
>>106987727
True lossless wouldn't have any latency. A couple of ms maybe. Latency is determined by the window size of FFT, and you only need FFT if you're compressing shit.
Anonymous No.106988016 [Report] >>106988065 >>106988239
>>106987862
Lol retard, FFT is just a single factor, and not the biggest factor. MDCT/FFT isn't used by lossless audio, but things like Huffman coding or Golomb-Rice coding, which do add latency like MDCT/FFT.

Again the encoding/decoding time, transmission time, digital/analog conversion time, etc are all still present when using lossless audio wirelessly.
Anonymous No.106988065 [Report] >>106988200 >>106988536
>>106988016
>ping my router
>2ms
True lossless has no latency.
>encoding/decoding time
Not needed.
>transmission time
distance/c
>digital/analog conversion time
0.
Anonymous No.106988091 [Report]
>>106974536 (OP)
I love the picrel, best headphone
Anonymous No.106988200 [Report] >>106988212 >>106988239
>>106988065
...again, we're talking about audio.

Encoding/decoding is 100% required and will take time
Digital/Analog conversion time can't be ignored and assumed to be 0ms.

You're also ignoring protocol overhead when you say "distance/c" when talking about the transmission time.

You seem to be literally retarded, or just have a fundamental misunderstanding about how wireless audio functions at a core level.
Anonymous No.106988212 [Report] >>106988263
>>106988200
>Encoding/decoding is 100% required and will take time
100% not required if you're transmitting raw samples from the OS.
Anonymous No.106988239 [Report] >>106988263
>>106988016
>>106988200
Stop pretending to be smarter than you actually are. When you couldn't even look up existing products.
Anonymous No.106988263 [Report] >>106988292 >>106988459
>>106988212
Again, even if the audio signal isn't compressed, the wireless signal still requires processing, which is the encoding/decoding time and adds latency.

You're confusing the audio signal with the transmission protocol. Even if you're transmitting uncompressed raw PCM samples, those samples MUST be

Packetized (framed) with headers, timestamps, and synchronization data.

Encapsulated within the specific wireless protocol (e.g., Bluetooth A2DP, Wi-Fi, etc.).

Passed to the radio hardware for modulation.

>>106988239
Bringing up a standard that technically exists, but isn't implemented on anything outside of home theater audio is missing the point of the discussion, but thanks for playing.
Anonymous No.106988292 [Report] >>106988312 >>106988319
>>106988263
Of course the reddit spacing retard thinks these steps are exclusive to audio when literally all data you transmit wirelessly passes them and the result is 2ms.
>but isn't implemented on anything outside of home theater audio
Holy goalpost moving.
Anonymous No.106988312 [Report]
>>106988292
>and the result is 2ms.
1ms, since ping must go back lol.
Anonymous No.106988319 [Report] >>106988330
>>106988292
>audio signal processing is identical to IP packet processing
wow it's almost like you ARE retarded and I was right all along


I for one am shocked.
Anonymous No.106988330 [Report] >>106988446
>>106988319
>audio signal processing
What processing, retard. You pick raw data from the OS and shove it into wifi.
Anonymous No.106988408 [Report] >>106988424 >>106988446
>low latency lossless wireless audio exists in real life but you can't just say that, okay?
Anonymous No.106988416 [Report] >>106988429 >>106989943
how come chinks haven't made a cheap STAX clone yet?
Anonymous No.106988424 [Report] >>106988459
>>106988408
Great, now put it on my phone, earbuds, regular and headphones. Not $1000+ soundbars, $1000+ speakers, and $1000+ TVs.
Anonymous No.106988429 [Report]
>>106988416
Does he know?
Anonymous No.106988446 [Report] >>106988459
>>106988408
>>106988330
Even WiSA is ~2.6ms at best in a lab, not 0ms.

And as the other anon said, bring it to consumer audio devices and we can talk.
Anonymous No.106988459 [Report] >>106988497 >>106988539
>>106988424
>>106988446
When I put them in your phone all of these >>106988263 will be annihilated I presume?
Anonymous No.106988497 [Report] >>106988536
>>106988459
No, that's why WiSA still has 2.6+ms of latency, because the latency will always exist to some extent. You're in no way removing any of those steps from the process, they've just been optimized for the specific task so that the latency becomes low enough to not matter. That doesn't make the latency zero though, it'll never be 0.
Anonymous No.106988536 [Report] >>106988574
>>106988497
Literally just the wifi latency >>106988065
+a couple of samples in the buffer for stability (which is why it decreases with higher sample rate). Why did you have to make shit up. All you had to say "I agree anon, the abysmal latency of bluetooth headphones is from the lossy compression".
Anonymous No.106988539 [Report] >>106988596
>>106988459
>When I put them in your phone
It'll never happen, at least not anytime soon WiSA uses a ton of power/processing (relatively), it's not really suitable for battery powered devices.
Anonymous No.106988574 [Report] >>106988596
>>106988536
Yes and it only works because it uses DFS channels and a bunch of power sending out a powerful signal for all the audio channels, it'll shit the bed in heavily congested RF environments or if you live near a doppler radar station since doppler radar disrupts DFS channel operation.

It's not suitable for portable use-cases, and it's why in the 10+ years the standard has existed, no one has brought it into portable products.
Anonymous No.106988596 [Report] >>106988639
>>106988539
>>106988574
Glad we finally agree it's not an audio processing limitation.
Anonymous No.106988639 [Report] >>106988775
>>106988596
It is though.

With the power/processing/usability constraints of a wireless device like headphones what you're describing is impossible with current technology. It's why we use higher latency methods that use a LOT less power and are more capable of longer distance signal propagation in heavily congested RF environments that are going to be required for someone who wants to walk around in public listening to their wireless headphones.
Anonymous No.106988775 [Report] >>106988865
>>106988639
These are not "higher latency methods". This is lossy encoding. You can pass lower than CD quality through the existing low power protocols with no additional latency. Just because it's lower quality doesn't mean it isn't lossless. It is literally just a question of time before we switch to a protocol less bloated than bluetooth and/or increase transmission power enough for CD quality.
Anonymous No.106988865 [Report] >>106988913
>>106988775
And power is only an issue for phones. At home, where >>106985217 is going to be used, a powerful transmitter will fit just fine. With enough power you wouldn't even need batteries in the headphones, if you don't mind getting cancer.
Anonymous No.106988913 [Report]
>>106988865
And again, assuming you don't live near a doppler radar station.
Anonymous No.106988979 [Report]
holy shit bros, went from cheap headphones to edifier mr3 and the difference is night and day, not even my blon 03 sounds this good
and this is on the poorfag end of audio monitors/speakers, really excited to experience more expensive shit in the coming years
Anonymous No.106989334 [Report]
>>106976202
>>106976535
I'm liking my Melomania P100's

I've had 'em on for 17hrs+ per session, it was hot out and me ears got sweaty - but they didn't fill up. Iunno what qualifies as 'big head', but they has what I'd call a low clamp force, I think it should be harder... Deffo doesn't sound like dogshit... ANC a little hit n miss. Supports BT or 3.5 Phono... but the real 'wow' was the battery life. ~17hrs/day, for a week solid, and it pushed it just down past 57%. Five months in, I've charged 'em 4x. Oh, and Matt Hall available on the interface.
Anonymous No.106989354 [Report]
>>106985217
Stealth Magnets!
Anonymous No.106989833 [Report] >>106989850 >>106991129 >>106991165
can I correct the muddiness from lambskin pads in eq?
Anonymous No.106989850 [Report]
>>106989833
for HD 650 btw
Anonymous No.106989932 [Report] >>106990314 >>106990347 >>106992378 >>106998595
Are these good if I don't like a lot of mid-bass?
Anonymous No.106989943 [Report] >>106992392
>>106988416
stax was so mismanaged for years, that they got sold to edifier for almost nothing. Chinks as you've seen with planars, are incapable of having quality control. No QC with shit as delicate as electrostats and you'd just be losing money on how many returns you'd have. Even susvara's have qc problems, and those are like $6k, imagine them trying to sell an electrostat at like $300. Another problem, is whenever chinks do make amplifiers, which you'd probably want to bundle like stax has in recent years, you would have to deal with chink amp qc which is honestly possibly worse than their headphone qc.
Theres a good thread on the topping eha5 on head-fi that's worth reading about this topic. Other chinese brands like fiio only offer 1 year warranties on $800 amplifiers like the k9 pro, and loads of people had them break within 14 months. You would only ever put 1 year of warranty on a product that you have absolutely no faith in. Compare that to the amps stax have on the market, which are obviously going to be expensive due to japanese labour, but i'd rather spend more and have something last essentially forever than break in 1 year
Anonymous No.106989969 [Report] >>106989981
>>106984557
There's a transparent plastic under the leather on both sides, those broke, but they don't do anything important, they guide the sliding motion of the headband in a centered way. Without them it still slides just fine, just moves a bit side to side when sliding, but that's irrelevant, functionally. The black plastic connection between the leather and frame is fine no issues.

>>106985041
Ah so all K712 are made in EU. I remembered something about manufacturing being moved somewhere but didn't remember all the details.
Anonymous No.106989981 [Report]
>>106989969
the k701 was made in austria, then moved to serbia, then china. I imagine a lot of others models had this, but from memory some of the lower end models were already in serbia and not austria, but are now in china
Anonymous No.106990314 [Report]
>>106989932
No, that's specifically what they have quite a lot of
Anonymous No.106990315 [Report] >>106990360
Is any variance for the HD6XX based on production location?
Anonymous No.106990347 [Report] >>106991718
>>106989932
I don't either but I like them. They clean up really well with EQ. Try Amir's settings and work from there. Best on-ear headphone for my money since Muddheiser killed the PX100.
Anonymous No.106990360 [Report]
>>106990315
HD6XX is nothing but variance. They're made out of the mountain of failed HD650 drivers in old man Sennheiser's back yard.
Anonymous No.106991129 [Report] >>106991501
>>106989833
I give you the permission.
Anonymous No.106991165 [Report] >>106991501
>>106989833
>lambskin pads
found some Geekria ones on Amazon, are they any good?
Anonymous No.106991501 [Report] >>106991544 >>106991581
>>106991129
thanks for the permission but what I actually wanted was spoonfeeding
>>106991165
they are very comfy but they make it sound like muddy garbage
Anonymous No.106991544 [Report]
>>106991501
NTA but a low shelf filter to bring the bass down, a high shelf filter to boost the treble and 1 peak filter for that one area in the treble that's increased compared to stock would probably be enough, no?
Anonymous No.106991581 [Report]
>>106991501
>they are very comfy but they make it sound like muddy garbage
I also found Dekoni ones but more expensive. Like double the price. Big difference or similar?
The Geekria ones are supposed to be real leather.
Anonymous No.106991592 [Report] >>106991782
I need some comfy wireless headphones to use in the office that work well for a range of death metal to prog rock. Ideally something that's kinda practical to toss in a bag.
GF has a sony WH-1000 XM3 but I don't really like its sound signature, sounds unbalanced and too bass heavy.
Any recs?
Anonymous No.106991640 [Report]
>>106983972
Don't bother, those were my first ever estats and they sounded like shit. Made me wonder what's so special about estats. Then I got Stax... the rest is history.
Anonymous No.106991656 [Report] >>106991782
>>106984124
>Most estats can't do bass well so that gives the illusion of more detail since there's no bass to balance out the (usually high) treble
IDK which ones you've heard but that's not been my experience at all unless we're talking about the ESP95X which indeed has shit bass and crappy treble too while we're at it.

The only way to make the 95X sound good is to cut the cable plug, solder in a 5 pin Stax plug, then plug it to a high end passive energizer like the iFi iESL (original version) set it to 580v and then for amplification use a vintage high end class A speaker power amp (avoid integrated amp).
Otherwise, with the included energizer, it's shit.
But the pads are shit too. So it's better to go with the old 90's ESP950 (vinyl leather pads) and do that mod.
Or you could buy an estat that sounds good from the get-go without having to do the mods. But everything else I mentioned (passive energizer + speaker amp) is necessary for each and all of them. Don't trust the little Stax branded "driver units".
Anonymous No.106991676 [Report] >>106991686 >>106991773
have a300xs i drive through my interface (an edirol sd-90) but i want something better in the same vein, where do i go from here?
absolutely no beyershit
Anonymous No.106991686 [Report] >>106991773
>>106991676
>a300x
a900x***
no idea where those missing 600s went
Anonymous No.106991718 [Report] >>106991747
>>106990347
no thanks i'm not an eq tranny
Anonymous No.106991747 [Report]
>>106991718
>no thanks i'm not an eq tranny
Anonymous No.106991773 [Report] >>106992132
>>106991686
>a900x***
>>106991676
i have the a990z, and from what i'm reading they seem to be similar, >but i want something better in the same vein,
I guess you probably like bass heavy headphones, i wouldn't bother with anything in the same price tier, as that tends to be rather pointless most of the time.
Some upgrade paths I'd go for are the aeon, closed or open, or choice. Open has more bass, audeze lcd 2 if you want a more dark headphone, there is also the lcd 2 closed back but i'm not as familiar with it. The dan clark ether cx is another good shout for a closed back headphone, It's been a few years since i had it but it had excellent instrument seperation and like the aeon had pretty much no distortion, so all of those are good shouts
Anonymous No.106991782 [Report] >>106991795 >>106991799 >>106992664
>>106991656
>IDK which ones you've heard but that's not been my experience at all unless we're talking about the ESP95X which indeed has shit bass and crappy treble too while we're at it.
I've heard the ESP95X, multiple Stax Lambda models and the first CRBN as far as estats go. Basically all of them seemed bass deficient to me. You can somewhat mitigate this with Blu Tack tape but doing that can mess up the rest of the frequency response. But I've had decent results on my own Lambda with Blu Tack + EQ. I've never heard the Stax Omegas, maybe those do bass better. I don't really bother with estats anymore since I personally just find it easier to just EQ planars to my own preference than estats. Even with EQ it's sometimes hard to get a good bass response with some estat models. But that's just my own experience.
>>106991592
Other than Focal Bathys? Momentum 4 or Edifier S5. Then use the app to apply EQ and decrease the bass because pretty much every wireless headphones has a godawful amount of bass.
Anonymous No.106991795 [Report] >>106991808
>>106991782
>s because pretty much every wireless headphones has a godawful amount of bass.
what is it with normal fags, and ear rape amounts of distorted to hell bass? I guess that's the only thing they are listening far so if it's not like that they just instantly think it's bad and return them?
Anonymous No.106991799 [Report]
>>106991782
dilate your drivers
Anonymous No.106991808 [Report] >>106991834 >>106991860
>>106991795
Because the average normalfag thinks more bass = better. That's why every single wireless headphone manufacturer adds as much bass as possible because if your ears aren't getting fucked by bass normalfags will think it's not a good headphone and will refuse to buy it. The only model off the top of my head that doesn't have godawful amounts of bass is Audeze Maxwell but it's comically heavy.
Anonymous No.106991834 [Report]
>>106991808
It's incredible how much money they must make on the slop wireless trash. My brother is a normalfag with some of this trash, and even $400 ones feel like they are going to snap as you hold them, even on sale they must make an absolute killing
Anonymous No.106991860 [Report] >>106991936
>>106991808
>Because the average normalfag thinks more bass = better
They are right. They try my EQd LCDs and they instantly get it. They try other EQd headphones like aune or k702 - mixed reactions. Headphones that can't handle deep rumbly bass are just overpriced portapros.
Anonymous No.106991874 [Report]
Does anyone have any thoughts on the simaudio moon 230had?
Anonymous No.106991879 [Report]
are there nice but cheap bluetooth headphones on the second hand market with broken batteries yet?
Anonymous No.106991936 [Report] >>106991974
>>106991860
shut the fuck eq tranny
Anonymous No.106991974 [Report] >>106992500
>>106991936
t. fell for the meme
Anonymous No.106992027 [Report] >>106992674
>>106974536 (OP)
Ksc75s. 20 bucks. Free yourselves and get them already.
Anonymous No.106992116 [Report] >>106992132 >>106998564
I have 6xxs and I like them but I want to waste some more money and try something different. what would be a good complement under ~$350
Anonymous No.106992132 [Report]
>>106992116
used aeons probably, everything else unless you specifically want shitty closed backs in that price tier would be essentially pointless sidegrades like i pointed out in my other comment
>>106991773
Anonymous No.106992378 [Report]
>>106989932
No, buy KSC75 instead, a lot better.
Anonymous No.106992392 [Report] >>106992455
>>106989943
The Stax SRD-7mk2 is from the 70s and it's still one of the best energizers you can get today with wonderful sound once coupled with a capable speaker amp. They all work just fine.
It. Will. Not. Die.
Anonymous No.106992455 [Report] >>106992681 >>106997328
>>106992392
The Stax SRD-7mk2 is from the 70s and it's still one of the best energizers you can get today with wonderful sound once coupled with a capable speaker amp. They all work just fine.
It. Will. Not. Die.
That's so awesome, honestly one of the best feeling things ever is having old stuff last forever, all my made in jp stereo equiptment from the 70s/80s works to this day and a lot of it clearly has a lot of hours. God bless the japs autism with electronics.
Anonymous No.106992500 [Report] >>106999121
>>106991974
kys eq tranny
Anonymous No.106992664 [Report] >>106994336
>>106991782
The 95X is very deficient like I said, the CRBN didnt hear yet (but I've read some awful opinions about it) and the Lambdas that need the blutack mod to "fix" the bass are the modern chinese ones, which are indeed pretty bad besides the L700mk2. The L300 is literally unlistenable (and has too much midbass). The 007mk2 also has TOO MUCH midbass, way too warm, sounded very fucked.
You gotta get the 80's Lambda models. So much better. Fully flat all the way down to 20hz.
Anonymous No.106992674 [Report]
>>106992027
They improve quite a bit with a good amp, too.
Anonymous No.106992681 [Report]
>>106992455
>all my made in jp stereo equiptment from the 70s/80s works to this day
That's what my entire high end setup is made of, including the headphones. Pricey, but less pricey than modern summit-fi and sounds incredible.
Anonymous No.106993059 [Report] >>106993150 >>106993162 >>106994125
How do I even upgrade from these? I tried k712 and hd600 and I always go back to pic related. Are koss that good or are my ears just retarded?
Anonymous No.106993150 [Report]
>>106993059
if you like them that much it's probably best to just stick with them. Can't hurt to go to an audio shop and test a bunch out though
Anonymous No.106993162 [Report]
>>106993059
>Are koss that good or are my ears just retarded?
No, you're hearing perfectly. The KSC75 are literally better than the HD600, especially for the price. You just have to upgrade to something more substantial, like planars (Hifiman) or Stax.
Anonymous No.106993208 [Report] >>106993690 >>106994009
what do balanced cables do and do they improve the sound?
Anonymous No.106993690 [Report] >>106993886 >>106994938
>>106993208
Theoretically, less crosstalk and 4x the power.
In practice, a lot of "balanced" outputs are just single-ended ones with a 4-pin connector that connects both negatives to the same ground, and if they actually use separate amplification for both positive and negative channels you do get 4x the power, but end up with 2x the noise and 2x the output impedance (both bad).
Balanced _headphone connections_ make very little sense. Balanced _interconnects_ reduce hum and noise pickup over long signal runs, so they have a use case, but one that's unlikely to apply to you.
Anonymous No.106993886 [Report] >>106994105
>>106993690
>and if they actually use separate amplification for both positive and negative channels you do get 4x the power, but end up with 2x the noise and 2x the output impedance
That's not true. It CAN be true, but some manufacturers limit the power output on the balanced output to match the unbalanced output's power.

My amp for example does 1.3W @ 32ohm on both unbalanced 6.35mm and the balanced 4-pin XLR outputs. Both outputs also have < 0.1 ohms output impedance.

The difference is only in the channel crosstalk where the 6.35mm output is -88dB @ 1khz. The 4-pin XLR output is - 98dB @ 1khz.
Anonymous No.106994009 [Report] >>106994281
>>106993208
The only reason to fuck with balanced in current year is if you have a cheap portable source with not enough volume.
Anonymous No.106994105 [Report] >>106994141
>>106993886
You sure that's not just down to using a separate amplifier per channel, which the 4-pin keeps separate, but the 3-pin ties together to a common ground?
Anonymous No.106994111 [Report]
>>106985217
Kek, classic Chinese.
Why not 2Hz-9000000000000000000000000000001KHz?
Anonymous No.106994125 [Report]
>>106993059
I'm feeling like that with my Portapros. I do know that they aren't the best headphones but I enjoy listening to music at low volumes and so far I haven't found any other who have a pleasant and dry bass at low volumes. They're not audiophile shit but they're fun headphones and I love them for that.
Anonymous No.106994141 [Report] >>106994289
>>106994105
I mean, that's what a balanced amp is supposed to do. Not sure what you're getting at.

It has 2 amps per channel. The unbalanced output uses a common ground which increases crosstalk compared to the balanced output.
Anonymous No.106994281 [Report]
>>106994009
that's kinda what I have. I have an R70x with 470Ohm impedance (900 Ohms at the low frequencies). my amp does 28mW at 300Ohms. output impedance 2.2 with normal out and 4.4 with balanced. I think it's enough to get it to 110dB but it does gain settings. with non-classical music and PCM classical it gets pretty loud on high gain, but with DSD music mostly classic rock and classical (particularly symphonies) I keep having to put it at high volume high gain to hear the quiet parts. could be the mastering.

idk it that means my amp is weak or if DSD is just quiet. I hope I get better results with balanced. trouble it my balanced out is a fucking mini-XLR so I have to find a freaking 2,5mm/3.5mm/1/4' to mini-XLR adapter along with the balanced cables.
Anonymous No.106994289 [Report] >>106994380
>>106994141
What amp is it? Because it sounds odd to me that someone would pack in 2 amps per channel, but limit their power output to the level of a single one per channel.
Anonymous No.106994336 [Report] >>106994652
>>106992664
I've heard the same, yeah. I've seen the graphs that come with those and they're indeed flat all the way to 20hz. Probably because the pads are glued on so there's no gaps. I'm definitely going to give one of those a listen whenever I have the chance.
Anonymous No.106994380 [Report] >>106994464 >>106994643
>>106994289
Topping EX5.

If it weren't doing 2 amps per channel you wouldn't see such a drastic difference in crosstalk between the two outputs.

From what I understand the reasons to limit the power of the balanced output to match the unbalanced is generally because of thermal/power reasons (requires more expensive power supply circuitry), and because it's easier to "tune" the amps for a single lower power output level than to tune them for both the low power level and a much higher power level.
Anonymous No.106994464 [Report] >>106994472 >>106994542 >>106994556
>>106994380
NTA but isn't the reason behind limiting the power to maintain low SINAD? My K7 has 4W of power balanced but the SINAD is substantially worse(100) as opposed to the unbalanced one that has less power but 120 SINAD.
Anonymous No.106994472 [Report] >>106994553
>>106994464
>low
high, I mean
Anonymous No.106994542 [Report]
>>106994464
I mean, technically no, but effectively yes.

You can still have high power with low SINAD, it just requires higher tier components and a good topology design and fine tuning.

Limiting the power DOES maintain a low SINAD but it's not the only reason to limit the power.
Anonymous No.106994553 [Report]
>>106994472
I knew what you meant, I kept the terminology to be consistent with your post, but the point remains the same.
Anonymous No.106994556 [Report]
>>106994464
NTA, but my guess would be they're running some kind of Jan Meier style active balanced ground setup where the amp is never not balanced and you just slightly change the signal out by changing outputs.
>My K7 has 4W of power balanced but the SINAD is substantially worse(100) as opposed to the unbalanced one that has less power but 120 SINAD
You're supposed to get a little bit higher distortion in balanced mode, but that sounds like a design issue.
Anonymous No.106994643 [Report] >>106994779 >>106994862 >>106994975
>>106994380
Looking online, the EX5 uses a single TPA6120A2 chip (in a composite setup with an LM4562 to get better performance), which is a dual-channel headphone driver. No sign of separate negative channels in the headphone driver circuit.
The only difference on the spec sheet is that -88dB crosstalk for the 1/4" vs the -99dB for the 4-pin, which is still odd to me.
Anonymous No.106994652 [Report]
>>106994336
If you choose the Lambda Pro from 1982 you're basically set when it comes to staxes. Also really durable.
Anonymous No.106994779 [Report] >>106994938
>>106994643
Invertors anon

The L+ and L− signals are routed to the two input stages of the single TPA6120A2 chip.
The R+ and R− signals are routed to other high-current Op-Amps (like a high-current buffer) or discrete output transistors (which appear to be present near the TPA6120A2 chip) to form the second pair of output channels.
Anonymous No.106994862 [Report] >>106994938 >>106994976
>>106994643
NTA, but how else could they reduce the crosstalk that much unless it was balanced?
Anonymous No.106994938 [Report]
>>106994779
That'd be a kinda odd approach, using separate output devices just for the inverted side for a headphone driver. You'd also expect to see more power on the 4-pin if they did it that way.
Funnily enough the 3-pin XLRs do work that way in pre-out mode, they take the headphone amp signal for the positive and run it through another LM4562 to invert it for the negative, but that's not an application that needs actual driver capability.

>>106994862
That's what I'm trying to understand too. I know Benchmark Audio with their HPA4 uses the 4-pin because it has lower contact resistance and they give it two separate ground returns, but that thing has two entire separate amplifier PCBs inside it.

Either way all of this kinda illustrates one of the points I was trying to make in >>106993690, the terminology is a mess and there's no hard definition of what "balanced" even means in this application so manufacturers just sorta do whatever.
At the end of the day what matters is that your stuff works for you.
Anonymous No.106994975 [Report] >>106995033 >>106995083
>>106994643
>TPA6120A2
isn't that a repurposed phone line driver or something like it? and I think it had some issues with low impedance headphones, >64 ohm recommended
Anonymous No.106994976 [Report]
>>106994862
It reduces crosstalk because they're still taking their shitty ground circuit out of the equation. Balanced shouldn't reduce crosstalk strictly speaking, but it often does.
Anonymous No.106995033 [Report] >>106995122 >>106995122
>>106994975
Nah, the TPA6012 is a proper audio driver chip. Amir did run into some clipping issues below 32 Ohm in his tests of the EX5 though.
I think some of the earlier Toppings may have used some weird line driver in a compound setup, I vaguely remember reading about that.
Anonymous No.106995083 [Report] >>106995122
>>106994975
It's using a nested feedback design in this particular implementation

A high-quality, low-noise op-amp acts as the primary voltage amplifier and sets the overall gain and noise floor.
The TPA6120A2 is used as a high-current output stage/buffer that drives the headphone load. Crucially, the mandatory stability resistor is still present at the TPA6120A2's output.
The trick is that the main feedback loop for the entire amplifier is taken after this stability resistor, by placing the stability resistor inside the overall feedback loop, the high gain and negative feedback of the entire circuit effectively cancels out the resistor's effect on the final output impedance, driving it down to near-zero (well below 1ohm).
Anonymous No.106995122 [Report] >>106995141
>>106995033
>>106995083
No it isn't, it's a literal repurpose of an existing chip, with no difference apart from markings and maybe some extra qc. It's a repurposed THS6012 driver (DSL and PLC Line Driver). Identical datasheets. Though seems to work fine for headphones.

>>106995033
>clipping issues below 32 Ohm
There was a fix for it, I remember from few years back. but ideally to be used with higher impedance headphones.
Anonymous No.106995141 [Report] >>106995152
>>106995122
Not sure why you quoted me there, nothing I posted disputes it being a repurposed line driver (likely for DSL).

I simply said in the specific implementation being discussed (the topping EX5) uses a nested feedback design to address the "issue" you brought up.
Anonymous No.106995152 [Report] >>106995317 >>106995483
>>106995141
Ah sorry. Yeah if it integrates that fix then it should work but still wouldn't use lower than 32ohm headphones
Anonymous No.106995317 [Report] >>106995483
>>106995152
NTA, but I'm the one who owns the EX5 and I use it to drive 13ohm headphones without any real problems. It's clipping at 5V with a 16ohm load, but that's like 1.5 watts of power, which almost nothing that sensitive is going to need. Similarly at 12 ohm it's clipping at 5V, which again is like 2 watts.

My 13 ohm headphones only need 50-100mW to drive to very high levels and the manufacturer suggests an amp that can deliver 250-500mW to provide excess headroom. Since the EX5 only clips at around 5V at 12-16ohms, my 13ohm headphones that max out at 500mW (2.55V) is well below where I'd see any clipping from the EX5.
Anonymous No.106995483 [Report]
>>106995152
The EX5 was touted as an IEM capable amp, so I wouldn't go that far.
I can't think of any headphones that would draw anywhere close to enough power to hit the clipping point the EX5 has below 32ohms.
>>106995317
>It's clipping at 5V with a 16ohm load, but that's like 1.5 watts of power, which almost nothing that sensitive is going to need. Similarly at 12 ohm it's clipping at 5V, which again is like 2 watts.
It's more like 4V for 16ohm and ~3.25V for 12ohm.
Though I do agree with your main point, for your particular headphones there is zero reason to be concerned about clipping since you're more than half a volt below where it would start clipping.
Anonymous No.106995515 [Report] >>107000216
>>106981849
>HD490 pro
I have these and they sound very boring to me. I think I have neutral/sennheiser fatigue.
Anonymous No.106995556 [Report] >>106995569 >>106996206
15 years of buying all kinds of wired headphones, i've decided im just gonna try going back to a wireless headset, i miss the convenience and the audio quality seems like it's come a long way since the last time i used a gaymer headset (except for mic quality but that's their problem not mine)
Anonymous No.106995569 [Report] >>106995586
>>106995556
I'd never buy non-dynamic wireless
Anonymous No.106995586 [Report] >>106995630
>>106995569
because of battery or loudness? i've read decent things about both for the maxwell
Anonymous No.106995630 [Report] >>106995706 >>106996360
>>106995586
planars are heavier and crinkle and are easier to damage
Anonymous No.106995706 [Report]
>>106995630
i have heard they're heavy, though my hifimans aren't much lighter and i never minded it
ill try to avoid throwing them at a wall, i have an old pair of audio technicas i can throw instead if i ever get the urge
Anonymous No.106996206 [Report] >>106996486 >>106997353
>>106995556
Yeah I'm also thinking about going wireless, HyperX Cloud 3 S are looking very good and measure better than most audio snob closed backs. I guess gaymer gear is the way of the future.
Anonymous No.106996360 [Report] >>106996518
>>106995630
>heavier
Clamp force is more important to comfort than weight. Sennheiser HD600 is the most uncomfortable headphone I have ever tried (before I bent the band to lower the clamp force) even though it's light. Meanwhile, my Hifiman Arya Stealth which is significantly heavier than the HD600 is the most comfortable headphones I tried along with the HD 800S because they have very gentle clamp force.
Anonymous No.106996486 [Report] >>106996572
>>106996206
>post acquisition HyperX
>good
Anonymous No.106996518 [Report] >>106996598 >>106996825
>>106996360
Nta, what about the HD560S
Anonymous No.106996558 [Report] >>106996598
>Haven't looked at headphones in a minute.
>Hifiman Edition XS and Sundaras are going for ~$200
>Sennheiser bumped HD560S prices by over $100
What the fuck is happening with headphone prices? Are Hifiman just preparing to dump stock for new models? Why is Sennheiser expecting people to pay nearly $300 for $150 headphones?
Anonymous No.106996572 [Report]
>>106996486
just look at the measurements
Anonymous No.106996598 [Report] >>106996844
>>106996518
Those are pretty clampy and a lot of people find them uncomfortable.
>>106996558
>nearly $300 for $150 headphones
Probably has something to do with tariffs if you're in the US, EU prices haven't changed.
Anonymous No.106996825 [Report] >>106996989 >>106998405
>>106996518
I've always found the Sennheiser HD5** line to be looser and much more comfortable than the HD6** line.
Anonymous No.106996844 [Report] >>106996989
>>106996598
>EU prices haven't changed
Surprising, I thought they raised prices to so it wouldn't undercut the newer models that are 99% the same.
Anonymous No.106996989 [Report] >>106997769
>>106996825
560s is the model with exceptionally high clamp force in that line. Still thought they were more comfortable than the 6x0 line, but certainly tighter than other 5x0 Sennheisers.
>>106996844
Seems like they didn't. About 140€ new and sub 100€ refurbished from their outlet.
Anonymous No.106997314 [Report] >>106997353
Anyone got these? Thinking of grabbing them for 100€, just need something wireless with a mic and they seem like the best choice for the budget
Anonymous No.106997328 [Report] >>107000470
>>106992455
I am planning to get my first Stax soon (Probably 404 or 507), and I am a bit baffled about the source.
I can get a separate amp like SRM-1 or an energizer, but i don't have any proper speaker amps at home, so I will also have to buy one. What's generally better? I can imagine that energizer + speaker amp can be cheaper but then I am also a bit lost regarding which speaker amp to pick.
Anonymous No.106997353 [Report]
>>106997314
They're probably ok, but if you can stretch the budget a little bit, just go for these >>106996206
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>>106996989
They ease up, I have a big head and they're comfortable.
Anonymous No.106997841 [Report] >>106997924 >>106997942 >>106997977 >>106998040
I just got the Hifiman edition XS refurb for $175. How'd I do?
Coming from a sennheiser 6XX.
Anonymous No.106997924 [Report]
>>106997841
you sidegraded to something that's slightly less likely to die soon than factory new hifimans
Anonymous No.106997942 [Report]
>>106997841
You upgraded and got out of the mud puddle.
Anonymous No.106997977 [Report]
>>106997841
Immediate whatevergrade depending on your prefs and desire to try out something new, long-term downgrade.
Anonymous No.106998040 [Report]
>>106997841
depends on you preferences, they'll sound sharper and faster, probably technically better, but that kind of sound is piercing to some people. personally I don't like that kind of sound, i have Sundara's but ended up using my HD600's more often because I don't like how the highs sound on the Sundara's
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>>106996825
Thank you
Anonymous No.106998564 [Report]
>>106992116
DT770s?
Anonymous No.106998595 [Report]
>>106989932
I ended up getting a pair to try, gonna return them right away.
The headband really sucks, just putting it on is a pain in the ass. Not comfortable on the ears.
Sound is alright for the price but not exceptional, lacks detail.
I guess people must really like the aesthetics.
Anonymous No.106998844 [Report]
Sony MDR M1 my beloved, nothing beat it
Anonymous No.106999025 [Report] >>107000470
I'm not noticing a large change going from my 990 to hd6xx. I guess I'll see if my opinion changes in a few months and try the 990 again.
Anonymous No.106999057 [Report] >>106999297
I got a HD 700 for $140, this might unironically be sennheiser's best headpos
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>>106992500
EQ your headpos.
Anonymous No.106999262 [Report] >>106999610 >>107000554
HDB 630 arrived yesterday, I will give thoughts. The main thing is to turn off the transparency/ANC mode for a far better audio experience. Volume is still kinda lacking (maybe need to eq up the treble), but the wfc710n fill my biking/mowing need anyway. Indoors ANC for the office is on another level.

>>106984529
>>106984152
>The HDB is not competitive in latency
It's worse than Sony's delay in default mode, not gaming cans. "Gaming mode" is more like lipsync mode on windows, since video delay isn't implemented. The feature is nice, the dongle solves bluetooth on windows in and of itself, but it's NOT like those gaming 2.4ghz dongle cans for latency. Huge delay mode vs a usable delay (and no mic).
>boom mic
I am very pissed off about this, I own the OG momentum on-ear wireless with a 3rd party locking mic boom, and used them LONG after the battery and pads died twice. Haven't tried the inbuilt mics on windows yet (USB or wireless), but I heard it was cancer in a review. I own a modmic tho. solved.
>>106986502
>>106975158
You should wait, the momentums (or your current cans) + the dongle would do like, 99% after EQing (unless you not only own FLACs, but a 96kHz equipped library)
I only own 4 wireless pairs of headphones, wfc710n (cheap sony buds with great ANC), the momentum on-ears, the wireless portapros that replaced them, and these. I wouldn't consider these a significant "upgrade" to the momentum 3s unless you're using them with FLACs on windows (I use mine with PGGB-RT for 96kHz too). Something mostly solved with the dongle on your current cans.
Anonymous No.106999297 [Report]
>>106983999
portapro headset could be a fit, thought about it before the wireless came out. You could also get away with the kph30 wireless and the kusb cable as a bundle. me like koss.

>>106999057
I love my 660s, same driver
Anonymous No.106999610 [Report]
>>106999262
ok, time for the write-up
>sound quality
Matches the 600 series very well, as intended, and even in the low latency mode. You don't get those top end compression issues like on most bluetooth headphones when using SBC and the like. Plugging the device via USB doesn't appreciably increase the quality and has the same kinda shitty implementation that Sonova (consumer senn) has had since 2015 last time I bought a momentum. Basically; Wired aux >>> wired USB.
>ANC/transperency mode
not enough mics for wind rejection, so it goes in and out with wind "adaptive mode" on. These are peak for office type noise (I was just in a copy room for 8 hours the past two days and loved they came before work). The transition between ANC/Transp is by pinching the side, which gets annoying (volume is like, 3 swipes, where transp is like 7) and while you can use it to overhear people, it won't replicate an open-back. Use the double tap pause to talk, or pull out an ear to auto pause.
>bluetooth quality
The dongle is, like, the best thing in the case besides the headphones, I cannot understate that. no need to pair if you can plug in a USB c port. It looks like an audio interface to the PC, and you can disable it auto switching to the headset mode. It's a better interface than the USB connection due to the latency/communication switching options too. There's a whole manual to play with (or you can get the windows menu driver). Unplug if your headphones are asleep.
As for the headphone bt, no complaints, it could have a better switch to 96kHz mode, but you could just keep it on and eat the battery life when out and about, multipoint to your phone and the dongle, all you need. Went across half a building without dropping connection too.
>build
All plastic as expected, but good senn plastic, hate the inside of the pads, but I think it's plastic bags for bass or smth. Can't fold and sits weird on broad shoulders, not a major hit.
>eq
kino as advertised, crossfeed is nice 2
Anonymous No.107000216 [Report]
>>106995515
i'm using these rn. they are my first pair of mid-tier phones. the extra bass i like for gaming. i like em and they are very comfortable. what are some non-boring phones to you?
Anonymous No.107000470 [Report] >>107000607
>>106999025
Getting headphone in the same overall price tier are kind of pointless unfortunately. Yes there are differences and better value purchases within tiers, but usually it doesn't really make sense to bother unless you going to get a massive improvement like going from 6xx to a great built planar like the aeon in my opinion. I own a lot of the relevant comparisons to the 6xx, or have and whenever i try them next to the 6xx i just don't see the point. I just bought a lot of them to flip anyways.
for me personally the only upgrades i ever felt were good uses of money were going shit gamer headsets to 6xx > aeon open > hd 800, but i can see why people would chose to stay at any of those and be satisfied
>>106997328
I'd check out your used market locally, the amount pensioners who will sell old stereo equipment stacks for free-sub $100 is pretty insane, if you regularly research the gear you can almost always find something wicked.
Anonymous No.107000554 [Report] >>107001616
>>106999262
>I wouldn't consider these a significant "upgrade" to the momentum 3s
I am not exactly looking for an upgrade per se, it's just that the battery of my cans are not holding as much it used to before, forcing me to use them with a USB-C cable, which is annoying because for some reason that generates an audible white noise not present when using in bluetooth mode. What I want is something that won't have the USB-C white noise issue, a mild upgrade in ANC since I need it due to traffic noise at daytime, and no downgrade in audio quality and comfort. These last two points are what is preventing me from going to Sony and Bose, as I love the neutral sound of my HD 560S and prefer an experience as close as I can get to that in my ANC headphones.
Anonymous No.107000607 [Report] >>107000667
>>107000470
>Getting headphone in the same overall price tier are kind of pointless unfortunately.
I just assumed how people spoke on the 990 being a treble rape cannon that I would have a better experience. Oh well, maybe 1990s next whenever I get the new thing itch.
Anonymous No.107000667 [Report] >>107001315
>>107000607
I've found most headphone below the aeon to just have a lot of obvious issues and you just kind of pick what suits your needs best, i think for most people some of the more neutral tuned headphones are easier to recommend as a blanket, but obvious everyone is different and has preferences.
For instance, the r70x is similiar enough in sound that you could realistically swap it with the 600 line and it wouldn't matter enough to have both of them, but if i had to only have one i'd still have sennheisers because of how trash the gen 1 headband of r70x was. But if someone was really really clamp sensitive and were one of the few people who could tolerate the wing band system thats probably their favourite headphone below $500.
I can see the merit of beyers to some people, most are really easy to find on warehouse deals, local sales, tuned with a lot of extra bass if thats your thing and generally sell spare parts on common parts of the internet unlike snoy or audio technica.
But i think for a lot of people if you are use to neutral tuning and hear the amount of bass and treble on beyers it's going to off putting, but i've only ever had the dt 770 long term, and the dt 880 for a short period. Kind of sucks that they are almost or are the same price as 6xx but no detachable cable without getting the upgraded models, but at least they were one of the only headphones still made in germany, but with the chink acquisition who knows how long that lasts
Anonymous No.107001315 [Report] >>107001435
>>107000667
German Beyers have been self-destructing coil shit for years already. Euro headphone brands are failed across the board. Best case Sennheiser and Beyer hang on in the same capacity as Koss and Grado.
Anonymous No.107001435 [Report]
>>107001315
>German Beyers have been self-destructing coil shit for years already.
unfortunately yeah, it's just at the point where the majority of audio products are of such low quality that people just have no standards, i've seen more than a few people have 3+ chinkfiman headphones die within 5 years and continue buying more. It's just the sad reality of modern shopping that people will always spend less in the moment and be punished later.
>Euro headphone brands are failed across the board
Kind of weird seeing that even the hd 800 isn't made in germany anymore, mine is a pretty low sn model from like 2010 and it's still working perfectly to the day. Sennheiser is pretty much still killing it though, there is a decent % of the population that has been burned enough by trash from china, and their refusal to have any customer support that it isn't even on their radar anymore, and in those price areas it's still just sennheiser.
The tiers above say, $400 are so hyper dominated by american or japanese that they aren't really going to compete, but at the same time that isn't really new. Audeze has been around forever, dan clark has been going strong for like 10 years and stax has been there since the start, which was always the go to for high end anyways, nothings really changed. Some of the really expensive companies are so insanely bad and anti consumer that no one should even look at them, focal selling garbage pads for stupid prices, all the snapping headbands and refusal to warranty is just stupid anti consumer policys and should just be avoided. Not to mention snake oil companies like abyss, which aren't even worth mentioning because only low iq boomers buy from them
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>>107000554
then that makes sense, I did the same thing with my momentums, but via the 2.5mm
Anonymous No.107002352 [Report]
ama
Anonymous No.107002581 [Report] >>107004074 >>107005234
>>106974536 (OP)
>wow sony made 7506 with replaceable cable
>costs 3 times the original
Anonymous No.107002735 [Report] >>107003017
opinions on the ath r70xa?
Anonymous No.107003017 [Report]
>>107002735
assuming the r70xa is the same driver as the r70x it's basically just a japanese alternative to the hd 600 line, with more some more soundstage (stil nothing insane) and slightly different tuning, and 470ohm instead of 300. If your american it's not worth buying it over the 6xx because of how much more it is. The og was made in jp im not sure about the new one.
I've got a pair of the originals, i never really cared much for them, but perhaps had it not had the stupid wing headband i would of liked it more, no experience with the a unfortunately.
Another thing worth noting is that if the pads are the same dimensions of the original, which they seem to be, then i think a lot of people wil find them too small. I don't think i have particularly massive ears but it was incredibly annoying and uncomfortable
Anonymous No.107004074 [Report]
>>107002581
All cables are replaceable if your balls have dropped.
Anonymous No.107005234 [Report]
>>107002581
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=annFmo6hOV0