Thread 106990579

How the hell did people learn to code before AI? Did they actually read all the documentation or what the fuck? Getting info for something specific you need in a project is a pain without reading all the docs for every tool you use.

>>106990579 (OP)
haha OP I love froggo XD

>>106990579 (OP)
yes we used our brains

>>106990579 (OP)
Ever heard of a tutorial?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvC1WCdV1XU&list=PLAE85DE8440AA6B83

>>106990579 (OP)
>How the hell did people learn to code before AI?
The same way you learn how to fix what the AI fucked up after you tell it to write a program

>>106990579 (OP)
Gen z used youtube. Millennials used documentation. Boomers invented it. Now Gen a just needs to proompt

>>106990579 (OP)
painful trial and error, frustration, feeling like a dumbass, and then immense rush of dopamine when it triggered and it worked.

>>106990624
>and then immense rush of dopamine when it triggered and it worked.
tho i still kinda get this from LLM but to a lesser extent. more impressed with the LLM than myself.

>>106990579 (OP)
The same way you learn anything, you learn by doing.

>>106990579 (OP)
Using Copilot and now Cursor in my job is completely killing the fun in programming for me. There's zero feel of accomplisment for me now

>>106990579 (OP)
It was just way slower to find everything. Digging in tutorial videos, digging through search results, stack overflow, etc.

>>106990579 (OP)
Have a goal, dick around trying to make it until it works. If you run into a problem look it up. If you can't find a solution to your problem, you're taking the wrong approach. Don't just copy and paste the solution, read it and understand the explanation. 50% of programming is just knowing how to search for what you're trying to do properly.

>>106990647
this is going to become some military vet PTSD tier shit for programmers

>>106990596
It’s good for learning a new language, but when it comes to choosing libraries, frameworks, or tools for what you actually want to build, it’s just easier to ask the AI.
I tell it to make the project I had in mind, then I look at the code and try to recreate it myself, using the technologies I already know work thanks to the AI.

>>106990685
>languages, libraries, frameworks, or tools
these are all products made by people.
you should treat them the same.
in that order, there's a certain amount of rigor lost
but it's ultimately the same shit.
you should be able to use the same thought process you used to choose a language to choose libraries, frameworks, and tools.
you should definitely not be letting an AI choose libraries and frameworks for you though.
you should actually try them and see if you like them.
a broad spectrum of learning materials is usually a good sign of a good product.

>>106990596
but at the same time I have never used a video tutorial in my life
these are the stupidest time wasters I have ever come across.
If you cannot figure out a product based on the available written learning materials, you should either dive through the source code if it's important enough, or use a different product.

Yes syntax is nothing only docs matter

For my hobby projects I never used the docs that much, except for the most critical or fundamental parts.
Usually I would get a broad overview from some video, the have some tutorial open and try stuff. There was also obviously google and stack overflow.

>>106990579 (OP)
Imagine being an adult and you can't read a fucking manual kek

>>106990579 (OP)
>this nigga can't read

>>106990579 (OP)

someone mentioned that early computers used plain english and later they got bored to write each word

>>106990579 (OP)
>Did people read the documentation
Yes.

>>106990579 (OP)
>How the hell did people learn to code before AI?
same as they do today. learning on the job and books.

>>106990579 (OP)
Obsessing over it, reading books on it, stack overflow, thinking about it in my head first then exploring the implementation. If you don’t do this, you’re losing at least half of your power. A zoomer the other day lost their shit when I solved a programming issue by tracking it in the documentation. You will thank yourself when you actually know and don’t have to rely on an LLM to fill the blank spot in your brain.

>>106990579 (OP)
i'm banned from /tv/, so i'll shit in here.
ai is fuckbad on niche tech, since there's nothing to scrape data from.
you still to use your brains and read the documentation.