Thread 107021499

>>106917950
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet + the TrackPoint
>Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support

ThinkWiki - General info about ThinkPads/specs
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40, T41, T42
>IBM/Lenovo Transition: T43, T60, T61 (T42 - T43: significant difference in specs)
>"Classic" Lenovo: T400, T410, T420 (T61 - T400: 4:3 to 16:10)
>Transition to old modern: T430, T440, T450 (T420 - T430: membrane to chiclet)
>Old modern: T460, T470, T480 (T450 - T460: significantly less thick)
>New modern: T490, T14g1, T14g2 (T480 - T490: design change)
>New new modern: T14g3, T14g4, ... (T14g2 - T14g3: second design change)

BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/downloads.html
https://libreboot.org/docs/install/
https://canoeboot.org/docs/install/

Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/
https://biosimage.booru.org
https://1vyra.in

Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera
#/tpg/ on rizon

snagged this bad boy for 120 bucks on Friday. i am quite satisfied especially with T480 price hike lately around here.

>>107021634
>krashde
>shitbian

>>107021499 (OP)
I have an HP G9 255 and a ThinkVision S24i-30. Am I eligible to be a member of this august gathering of honourable gentlemen?

>>107021634
Good timing, just one day before the coreboot port landed

>>107021644
what do people use if not KDE? dont tell me you use Gnome anon..

good morning sirs.

I'm eyeing a used T14 G4 or T14 G2 (both with i5s) in my area (as there are no T14 G3s). What difference does the 16:10 screen make? If I got the T14 G2, could I mod a 16:10 display into it?

Performance wont be an issue with either one for me, so the price, display and warranty (which the G4 still has, but the G2 doesnt) are the key fectors

G4 (open-box, almost new) is about 40% more expensive than the G2 (moderately used) + a new battery.

>>107022826
What model is that?
Also are those books The C Programming Language and Effective C?

>>107023320
forgot to mention but the G4 is still under LenOwO's factory warranty (till may of next year), while the G2 only has a 3 month reseller (refurbisher) warranty.

Interested in buying a recent Thinkpad for some Linux-based hobby dev work.
Anyone here have an E16 model?
I plan to buy the Thinkpad E16 Gen 3 with 2k display.
The review looks good
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-E16-G3-Review-Affordable-office-laptop-is-even-better-with-a-120-Hz-display.1059930.0.html

I love my ThinkPad!! ^-^//

Is there any hope for Elan trackpoint/touchpad working half-decent on Linux? I love Linux on my X1 Nano gen1 except I can't get the trackpoint to feel right. Is libinput just shitty? The thing works perfectly in Windows.

>>107021670
Yeah, sure, why not? What even made you think you weren’t (eligible) in the first place, lol? Welcome aboard!

What do you use to clean your laptop's keyboard? I have to clean my T480, but don't know what I should use.

>>107023488
Looks good if the size is what you're looking for.
>>107024475
I use a brush and a small vacuum, plus some isopropyl alcohol on a cloth if necessary. Wash your hands regularly and it won't be an issue.

>>107023320
If you can't figure out the difference 16:10 will make, it probably won't make any difference to you in the end.
>screen mod
no

>>107021499 (OP)
(rebosting from old thread)
I want to install a WQHD IPS display on my T430.
I already bought a chinese converter kit from AliExpress, but am not sure on the actual display to buy.
I selected these models (which may not be exactly what is announced because chinese sellers):
>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008126024404.html
>LP140QH1 (SP)(A2)
and
>https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008530733222.html
>B140QAN01.5
Which one (if any)?

>>107021499 (OP)
saving the thread from page 10

>>107022030
Nice, looking forward to tinker this machine even further.
But it seems like I can't put any SSD on T470s WWAN slot, shame. Still love it that it has 3 USB A, one thunderbolt and LAN port with slimtip charging port, perfection.

>>107023329
Not him but since /tpg/ is filled with poorfags. I look up E series first and it's E14 Gen 6.

Whats a good price to pay for a used X1C Gen 9? I’ve been trying to look for one at around $350-$400

Do Lenovo frequently change the screen options in the configurator or am I just hallucinating?
I thought I was speccing out an L14 Gen 6 with a 100%RGB screen yesterday, but when I go in today the only option is 45%NTSC

>>107028546
maybe that config is currently out of stock?
you can browse all the screen options in the psref
https://psref.lenovo.com/Product/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_L14_Gen_6_Intel?tab=spec

>>107021499 (OP)
Anons I have this old ass Dell Latitude and it lags like crazy. What do I do?

>>107028620
Thanks, this is perfect
There is a 100%RGB option for the AMD model so I wasn't dreaming
How long do parts normally take to come back in stock? I guess there is no way of knowing?

>>107028647
It lags while doing what? What are its specs? What are you trying to run on it? What OS is it using? How hot is it running? What's your shoe size? You gotta be more specific than that if you want some real help. Will all the info you're giving here best I can do is tell you to try turning it off then on again.

>>107021499 (OP)
where tf do i get thinkpads in canada that arent +500$

My t420 screen fucking BROKE and I don't want to spend $70 getting a new ips panel off aliexprezs. I can get an x131e for less fcking christ

>>107029233
>t420 screen
it was shit anyway

buy a new used thinkpad

>>107028778
Latitude 5338
>gen 5 i3 cpu
>equal to quality Intel Gpu
>EndeavourOS
>Slow when booting up and everything lazgs like crazy but speeds up after using it for an hour
>Is super cool only 30c at it's highest
>I don't know my shoesize

>>107030141
there are many options for CPU frequency scaling on the archwiki, for most people cpupower and thermald work well together. check archwiki for configuration specifics on you are machine.

>>107026933
Much thanka

>>107021499 (OP)
bump a day keeps the archive away

>>107028160
>can't put any SSD on T470s WWAN slot
one of the uglier things about this model, along with the front battery being bespoke

>>107030141
>>Slow when booting up and everything lazgs like crazy but speeds up after using it for an hour
You're not using a HDD, are you?

>>107031774
yeah, I remember having i3 gen 4 ideapad running KDE pretty smoothly with sata ssd back in 2021

>>107031774
HDD it's a old ass laptop after all. I don't know to replace it -(,_,|)-

>>107031926
Time to expand your horizons then.

>>107022719
lxde, xfce, etc

>>107031926
>installed "Arch" distro
>cant replace the drive
buy this big 2.5 inch SSD, pop out your bottom cover laptop and replace your HDD with this. You don't even need a tutorial, it's as easy as putting lego pieces together.

also get a sata to usb A cable for backing up / cloning your old HDD from usb port

>>107031970
>installed "Arch" distro
Gonna install arch tomorrow lmao
>backing up / cloning
nah

>>107031977
>xhe hasn't had a drive fail on xyr yet

>>107031989
Are drive fails a big deal if you don't care about anything on the computer?

>>107032002
I wish I had a real life so fulfilling that losing my computer wouldn't hurt

Got a t420 for 30 quid, did i do good reddit.

Also its got a matte panel and its so insane how much better the matte panels are, my glossy t430 is fucking horrendous in comparison, semi unusable with the reflections

>>107023488
We have E16 gen 1 and 2 where I work at and they are just fine.
See if you can get one that has the aluminium top and bottom tray they seem to be way sturdier, as the newer E series models are more like black Thinkbooks
The upgradeability is very good, 2 RAM slots and 2 M.2 slots.
The internals should be the same on the 16" and the 14"

>>107032858
T430 is better

Can you use Linux on a think pad?
Windows 11 is really gay and getting on my nerves.

>>107033845
Linux just works™ on any Intel 'pad since 2016 and on any AMD one since 2022, except some drivers for FPR and WWAN. Earlier ones mostly work too but tend to have worse battery life on Linux than Windows.

>>107033880
>Earlier ones mostly work too but tend to have worse battery life on Linux
I just bought a 2020 one, how bad is it and what else do I have to pay attention to?

>>107034241
which specific one did you buy? if you bought an E series model then you're retarded and you should never be allowed to handle money ever again
E series only managed to become somewhat decent relatively recently, before that they were always objectively worse to their other counterparts. Basically rebranded Ideapads.
if you bought L/T series (preferably T) then I don't think there's much you need to worry about. My T480 gets decent battery life on Linux, very similar to the one I get on Windows. remember to install tlp though, that's crucial

Is it just me, or is the T480 audio too low?

>>107034480
t14 gen 1 with whatever the best cpu was

Is it just me, or is the T480 audio too high?

>>107034480
>>107034539
4750u

>>107034539
so an i7 10610U? that's good
given you bought an actual thinkpad and not some shitty stand-in I don't think you're gonna have to worry about much

>>107034584
ignore this post I am retarded and impatient
>>107034547
ryzen is even better, good on you for choosing the AMD model

I got a Thinkpad E14 Gen6, Ryzen 7 7735hs, 1tb SSD, 32gb RAM just some days ago, but I already love this little dude
the only shit part is that the 2k screen is not sold on my country, so mine is 1920x1200

Finally got my x270 with 1080p screen

I just finished setting up my t480 with mint coming from a t520 after some issues.
God I don't like this laptop, too thin, seems fragile, small screen, poor IO etc. I chose this one since I managed to get it for almost free but I miss my t520 dearly.

>>107034788
Just use the laptop as you normally would. Also undervolt it to get a lot better battery life and performance.

>>107034897
>Also undervolt it to get a lot better battery life and performance
Way too complicated for me. I have zero computer skills and it's my first linux experience. Managing to get the fingerprint somewhat working and having the computer use the batteries in the proper order with tlp was already hard for me.

>>107034241
>>107034547
I have the same one and there's two main warts. The trackpoint is ever so slightly laggy, not noticeable if you just push it around aimlessly but enough to be less accurate at hitting buttons. And the CPU frequency scaling isn't as responsive as on Windows and by default doesn't go below 1.4 GHz. There's workarounds for these that make it good enough for my use case.

>>107015621
Just and update, I called Absolute Software and they asked for the serial number. I booted on a temp windows install over USB this morning and attempted to install some updates. Windows BSOD so I rebooted my machine to BIOS and now it's gone. I permanently disabled Computrace and everything's good. It took maybe a about 7 hours since I made the phone call. The seller stated there's no caddy anyways so luckly the caddy and the cables are cheap.

>>107035179
>There's workarounds for these that make it good enough for my use case.
which are what?
I do use the trackpoint ~exclusively

>>107035733
https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-input/patch/71d9dc66-9576-c26f-c9d9-129217f50255@gmail.com/#24848525
(doesn't apply cleanly anymore but simple enough to do manually) lets you fully disable the touchpad which fixes the trackpoint lag. Also breaks resume from suspend, so you have to remove the module before entering suspend.

https://github.com/irusanov/ZenStates-Linux
for changing the base pstate to let it run below 1.4 GHz

>>107035876
>ZenStates-Linux
did you write some kind of daemon to monitor and adjust, or do you just e..g run a script when you're on the go and want to save battery?

Someone with (properly maintained, i.e. cleaned & changed paste) X250 - how are the fan noise and thermals on Linux?

>>107036738
Best I can do is a x230.
Zero noise. Around 50 °C on idle.

I want to buy an X1 Carbon but the Iris Xe iGPU is kinda of turning me off. I'd consider a T14s for the AMD processor but the screens just look so fucking bad. I don't necessarily need a good iGPU but it is nice to have.

Why do people say ThinkPad batteries are shit? They last like 4 hours, it seems like a lot to me.

>>107038365
Lunar Lake processor has Intel Arc iGPU.
I will wait another 2 years when Lenovo starts doing heavy discount.

Good morning.

>>107021634
Is there a modern alternative to the T480 or is it this vs a Framework laptop?

>>107038453
Why all the those white stickers?

Do you guys compile your own libreboot roms, or do you just use the precompiled ones?

If you do, what changes did you make?

>>107036103
No fancy monitoring. When I really need to save battery I also reduce the power limits with RyzenAdj.

>>107034617
>1920x1200
lol. lmao even.

>>107034617
>His laptop is a man
Yawn

T14s or 14 if I don't plan to take it out amount much?
>>107023488
What type of linux hobby dev work ya thinking

>>107039021
It's residue from the sticker glue and anon is a filthy pig.

>>107040233
my laptop is a mahou shoujo

>>107021499 (OP)
B-B-B-B-B-BUMP!

>>107040347
>T14s

>>107022826
i love this setup anon

>>107036770
>idle
kek
thats any thinkpad ever in idle
we all know a youtube video makes it sound like an airplane liftoff

Kill the faggot nigger Linus Torvalds. My Thinkpad had a kernel bug where the network card kept crashing and killing my WiFi connection a month or two ago, and after three or four kernel updates, it worked again and I was happy. Last night, I updated to Fedora 43, and now the fucking laptop won't boot or let me boot into an old kernel. I can still dual-boot into Windows 10 (last updated 2017), but it's horrible and I want Fedora back. Why is Linux so shit? And why do they hate Thinkpads specifically?

>>107040209
Whats the problem?
It's pretty good for a 14' laptop
Yeah I would prefer the 2k screen, but not a dealbreaker for me
>>107040233
Yes, because I need it to be reliable

Btw, should I try to undervolt the Ryzen 7 7735hs? I'm using Windows, and for now only using the default battery profiles

>>107042095
>youtube video
Tops out at around 75 °C. Still no noise whatsoever.
Even if I push it with a stress test, it gets to around 95-103 °C and there's still no significant fan noise. It's a very quiet machine and the cooler fan is very smooth. Anon asked about a properly maintained thinkpad and I don't store my excess pubes inside the fans. It all just works.

which one of you did this?

I once found a 380p at a yard sale for $2 that someone had given their kid to use as a toy. it had no charger and was wet from the rain so i didn't bother buying it. but now i kinda wish i had

>>107043478
>for $2
It's worth more than that in scrap alone. You should have bought it.

>>107039021
I changed the keyboard layout.
Eg, arrows are on 9IOP while i am pressing a thumb key.
The stickers are for me to get used to it.

>>107035126
>I have zero computer skills
>it's my first linux experience

Then why do you want to use Linux in the first place?

Just go back to Windows 11 (debloated). Just watch a video, it's not hard to follow along. https://youtu.be/3XNxD9ZeXrI

there is a supposedly new X13 G1 on sale for $700
im kinda suspicious since they got released a couple years ago, but I can return it and the guy 100% will give me my money back. I need a thinkpad pronto because I have to give my current carbon x1 to my father coz windows 11 pushed his latitude over the edge. I just want it to last a couple years.
would you /tpg/? Or am I a retard considering it.

>>107045730
I can get an used X13 G2 R5 in mint condition for 250 bucks here.

>>107045730
eww dont do it, may as well look for a gen 2 or 3 at that price

>>107035126
>>107045042
or just use it as-is, and it'll be just fine
mint will probably just werk for 99% of your use cases, don't worry about it

>>107045730
>there is a supposedly new X13 G1 on sale for $700
If you're going to spend that kind of money you should just go and get an X13 G6

I upgraded my old X250 to 16GB RAM. I have Mint on it right now but I am thinking of going back to older Windows temporarily or even dual booting. Which should I use, Windows 7 or Windows 8? I skipped them both and went from XP to 10.

>>107048210
If you have a touchscreen, consider (and then decide against it) windows 8.1 (not 8, but 8.1).
If you don't, just use 7.

I just noticed my T480 is now drawing from the internal battery before the external. After having researched the problem it seems that this is a firmware issue that causes the laptop to automatically draw first from the battery it detects is healthier. The last time I looked, the internal was at about 70% capacity and the external was at about 76%. This was several months ago. Now for some reason they have flipped and the internal is reading 80% and the external at 70%. Is there any way to force it to draw from the external first?

>>107048210
Mint is vastly superior to any version of Windows.

>>107048415
And Mint is just a less stable Debian

>>107039496
Even though releases are distributed, I think it's worth compiling yourself anyways. lbmk is very easy to wrap your head around and chances are you're going to have to clone lbmk anyways.
>>107042225
>Kill the faggot nigger Matt Hicks. My Thinkpad had a kernel bug where the network card kept crashing and killing my WiFi connection a month or two ago, and after three or four kernel updates, it worked again and I was happy. Last night, dnf fucked up my system upgrade, and now the fucking laptop won't boot and I can't configure GRUB2 because RHEL thinks I don't deserve freedom. I can still dual-boot into Windows 10 (I'm too scared to try a freedom-respecting distro), but it's horrible and I want my freedom back. Why is Fedora so bloated? And why does RHEL hate freedom specifically?
FTFY

>>107042225
>uses fedora
>uses stock bios
anon... did you even upgrade your HDD?

>>107035126
If you're not trying to host a minecraft server, you have no incentive to learn Linux. Give it up
t. host a ubuntu minecraft VPS and use Arch on my desktop

>>107048693
Since Mint moved to using Ubuntu LTS as a base, I haven't noticed any difference in stability between it and Debian.

>>107049034
Am I missing something? Mint has always been using LTS as the base.

>>107048230
>>107048415
>>107048693
Thanks I will dual boot. I like Mint a lot because mint is green

there's a promo in my country wherein
i can buy an e16 gen 3 with 2k 120hz display for only $1190(converted)

>>107049044
Are you a zoomer? From 2006-2013 it was on Ubuntu 6-mo releases.

>>107043402
Buy an ad faggot

>>107021499 (OP)
>be me
>buy t480 meme on amazon refurb
>i5, 16gb ram, 1090p
>$199
>not bad..
>it arrives
>put my peepers on it
>really nice shape
>looks brand new
>what the fuck?
>THESE FUCKS SENT ME A T490

Now I have to wait until Saturday for a T480 I ordered at $50 extra. Hope it's in as nice of shape as the T490 was.

how are these snapdragon X13's? Does linux run well on them or is the architecture completely different? Im kinda tempted

>>107050798
linux runs well on everything that's kinda the point but why buy this modern tech slop instead of just getting a cheap good ol fashioned buissness laptop

>>107050873
Because at least in my country they are all banged up, arrive smelling of cigarette smoke and often the components have been poached and replaced with cheap chinese shit already which they especially do with screens. Gone are the days when you could get a barely used x220 for astonishingly cheap in practically mint condition.

Having had a stint with the macbook air I love the idea of a fanless laptop more than I ever thought I would, but I NEED linux to do my job.

As far as "slop" there were no laptops that aren't slop made in the last 8 years I just never really had a thinkpad die on me, so I tend to turn to them.

>>107050907
first of all, where do you live????? Second of all, if they are all like that then don't buy a thinkpad get any old business laptop even a shitty laptop works fine with linux so long as you replace the HDD with an SDD and maybe change the battery

>>107032858
the fuck is that lump on the touchpad
>>107034897
Undervolting doesn't actually do anything. I used to have a t460s that I undervolted -100mV on the core (any more and it would be unstable). I didn't see any statistically significant difference in power usage at idle or at full load even though the VIDs went down.
Now I have a t460 and an 8th gen NUC, neither of them can be undervolted by more than like -10mV before random shit starts breaking or it freezes for no reason or bluescreens.
Undervolting and overclocking are both fucking memes that I fell for and you gain like 5% AT BEST while also getting instability to go along with it.
>>107038379
my t460 came with the 72Wh battery at 85% health, and the battery life is pretty fucking awesome compared to my old laptop. I get about 7 hours normal usage running Windows 7 (i.e. web browsing, coding or watching videos). You can even put in an extra internal 24Wh battery to this thing but I'd rather not due to really horrible experience with chinknovo's dual battery firmware implementation in my t460s which I ultimately just scrapped. fuck internal batteries, fuck the powerbridge nonsense.
>>107048210
windows 7 has more community support and runs more apps than 8 with vxkex
anything that uses new versions of Electron jeetware, for example, can't run on 8 but can run on 7
>>107048302
yeah the dual battery system is gay

>>107050873
>linux runs well on everything
for server stuff
for personal usage its the opposite, lmao

>>107052475
>for personal usage
Just say gaming. I know you mean gaming. Everyone knows your talking about gaming

>>107052565
nope, I mean for work and everyday usage
even being a steaming pile of shit, Windows still is miles ahead of any DE or WM on Linux, just like the programs that are available to each (office, CAD, photo editing, etc.)
I unironically think that at the moment gaming on linux is on a better place than using it for work or everyday usage... proton has showed to be quite good and kind of reliable

>>107053021
>office
libreoffice
>photo editing
gimp
>CAD
I'm not running a fuck construction company

>>107043402
if I ever sell any of my thinkpads I will do this

do the Alder Lake (12th gen) and Raptor Lake (13th gen) T14s (plural) have battery life as bad as people on reddit seem to claim? AMD models are pretty much impossible to find in my area except when they cost twice as much as Intel models.

If they really are that bad, are E14 and L14 as much of a downgrade compared to the T series? plenty of Ryzen E and L models available near me, but no AMD T14.

I am going to do some mid to light web browsing (about 5 to 15 tabs), with maybe a youtube tab running and a couple of PDFs, lots of libreoffice writer and calc, and audio recording, and I would like it to, hopefully, last a full 8h shift or as close to it as possible. Is this achievable on any used T, L or E series thinkpad or would I have to succumb to getting a mac?

Thanks in advance for any advice

>>107053044
>libreoffice
lol, lmao even
>gimp
lol, lmao even
>I'm not running a fuck construction company
yeah, it's the typical linux mentality, "not my problem", "works for me", "not a priority"
people on /g/ can't see that gnome devs are just a reflection of themselves

I have used 1vyrain to put coreboot skulls on my x230, is it now possible to put libreboot on my x230 without any dissasembly, and if so, can you explain how please?

Good morning sir, i'm looking for a reliable and customisable laptop, what are the /tpg/ approved thinkpad? I'm thinking of the and x230.

>>107053867
x230 is a very good choice anon if you're just looking for something to tinker with.. wouldnt daily run it

is x230 hardware supported by mint?

>>107054473
redpill me on the X250? there is one on fleabay for £45 inc shipping.

>>107055266
Every 64-bit stinkpad will run any loonix, to a first approximation

>>107055535
Last X series that you can stuff with 3 drives, but upgrading the RAM above 8 GB costs more than the whole laptop. If you need more than 8 GB see X230 or X270

>>107054473
Why wouldn't you do that?

where do these kbs come from? lenovo/ibm server terminals ?

are they good or nah? considering it costs $80

You trannys have finally got me on a stinkpad. Time to be gay and do...

>>107055535
I still have mine from 2015 when it launched. I love it, I use it for YT/emails and light coding. But like >>107055642
said upgrading the RAM is a bit shitty. I did it years ago, to 16GB which is the highest (and its single channel too) and I think I paid over $100 for the stick. It made sense then, but I don't know if I would pay that to upgrade the RAM on a 10 year old laptop unless the money isn't an issue. But mine still works fine and gets used multiple times a week even though it isnt my main PC/laptop

>>107055642
>>107056048
so for £45 it's a decent buy then?

>>107056076
if you're fine with 8GB ram and just want to play around then go and grab it, shove M.2 2242 sata ssd into the WWAN slot. but remember it only has 2 USB A and no USB C, which is why I'd rather get an X260 or X270 for old X series

>>107051018
>Undervolting doesn't actually do anything.
Step up to a quad-core T480 and you'll easily gain 15% all-core performance at 15W. You'll also get at least 1 extra hour of battery life, more if it's a 72Wh battery.

Undervolting a P52 with its 8th Gen Coffee Lake processor literally gives you up to 40% better all-core performance at 10W, thanks to how absolutely trash Coffee Lake is, since it can be undervolted to -140mV on Core+Cache and to -170mV on iGPU+iGPU Unslice.

>>107053713
>lol, lmao even
not who you were talking to but why do you guys think this comes off as like cool and disaffected, instead of like you're 35

>>107056076
Sure. But you're going to want to put a lighter OS on it like Mint because Windows 8 makes it purr.

>>107056297
>literally gives you up to 40% better all-core performance at 10W, thanks to how absolutely trash Coffee Lake is, since it can be undervolted to -140mV on Core+Cache and to -170mV on iGPU+iGPU Unslice.
this depends on the specific hardware. some can't be undervolted at all. I guess if you have a very undervoltable chip then you can see a difference.

>>107056418
it's a simple answer to an absurd statement

>>107056796
yeah in the same way that "hecking cute fluffer" is a simple way to say you like someone's dog

>>107055780
Logitech K120 can't be beaten so no

>>107055780
>where do these kbs come from?
Chyna.
>are they good or nah?
Hell no. Feels like absolute shit to type on, they feel nothing like ThinkPad keyboards. They're scissor switches, and I don't know if it takes some time to break them in, but they feel pretty stiff and sound like glass when typing on them.

Save yourself a month's paycheck.
>>107051018
>the fuck is that lump on the touchpad
It's not a toomah! It's not a lump, just a worn out trackpad sticker, I'm guessing.

>>107057328
The K270 is better.

>looking for old thinkpads in supply closest at work
>lift dusty box
>silver laptop
>disappoint
>see corner "Thinkpad"
looks like a macbook but it works, running mint and posting from it now. audio fucking blows. cant beat free though
Gen2 x1 yoga

>"Thinkpad" on corner

in general, are thinkpad laptops the go to laptops? or is this just a niche thing because >thinkpad? framework and macbook seem up there..

>>107059220
They're all equally expensive but cheaply made disposable shit if you're talking about current 2025 laptops.

If you're not going to buy a business line model that's used (not refurbished) on cl/fbmkt/eBay/kiji/whatever that's at least 4 or 5 years old and fixing/upgrading it yourself you're missing the point of /tpg/ and should go ask about normie hardware in /sqt/.

Can the X60 be used for browsing the internet and watching youtube nowadays?

>>107059731
If you hate yourself maybe.
At best it can host a TF2 server or something

>>107059731
yes use arch and dwn and pale moon like a boss

>>107059849
dwm*

>>107059731
>browsing the internet
sure, if you limit yourself to lightweight websites like 4chan
>watching youtube
the youtube website is ultra bloatware. you can do it with mpv + selecting a h.264 encode of the appropriate resolution

>>107059731
What an adorable little guy :)
>>107059761
Is it actually that easy to host a video game server?

>>107059915
>of the appropriate resolution
480p, and be prepared for the heat

>>107059915
theres an extension to force h.264 encode for youtube if he needs it

The AFFS panels for the x200 on ebay are very pricey. Is there a better source? Give me your opinions on the right panel to upgrade to and the right amount to spend on it.

>>107060443
Yes, but it still gives you much higher CPU usage due to the bloatware javascript in the youtube web page itself. On my laptop I just made a keyboard shortcut that plays the youtube URL in the clipboard in MPV, due to the lower power consumption of this player (with appropriate hardware decoding) compared to the Jeetware that google put into youtube.com. Since all I need to do is right click, copy link address and then press the keybind, it's pretty convenient too.

Are there any cheap ThinkPads that are gaming-capable to at least some extent? I mean those that can be bought used ofc cuz I'm broke. I heard that those with AMDs have good enough APUs to run some modern games. I mostly plan to play stuff like M&B Bannerlord and autistic PDX map games like upcoming EU5. 60 FPS with low in FHD is good enough for me.

The reason I go to ThinkPads is because I'll mainly use it for dev stuff so CPU is a priority. Ofc gaming laptop sounds nice and I have seen some used with 3050 (ti) in my budget frame but CPUs there are not so good, you pay for GPU mostly.

And I hate tranny LEDs everywhere but not a dealbreaker.

I have an X220 Tablet with an i5 2500K, 8GB RAM and a shitty 1366x768 screen.
What's a good lightweight linux distro for such a low res screen?
Fedora XFCE?

E14 or E16?

What's the best option for an X200 replacement battery?

>>107062699
what do you do with your computer? do you go outside? do you have to take your computer with you?

>>107062256
Latest stinkpad from both intel and amd have equivalent iGPU to a portable handheld like Legion Go 2 assuming that you pick the better CPU.

>>107060780
die screaming

>>107063757
Can you name an example of what is "good CPU". Not a big expert, friend has R7 4800N with GTX 1660 Ti and reported that even with igpu performance in above mentioned Bannerlord is good on middle. But that is a gayming laptop with better cooling I'd presume. So will something like i7-1185g7 in T14 be at least close?

I can't buy latest new one with best CPU option and only really looking at used ones.

>i7-1185g7
Nope, just googled it, that's shit. Found few with R7 7730U, better but still meh. Problem is, everything higher is too expensive.

>>107063677
finally decided and
ordered thinkpad e16 gen 3
>intel core ultra 5 225u
>32 gb ram
>1 tb ssd
>2560x1600 ips 100% srgb 120hz

>>107049647
>1090p
common frog poster L

>>107063574
I just ordered one from batterymall. I will let you know if it's good/10.

>>107064586
nice

Does anyone own the latest E14 AMD? What's the build quality like?

I wanted to get an L14 but they don't offer a 100sRGB screen option in the UK (???) so I think im going to have to "downgrade" to an E14 just to get a good screen

>>107055535
There's no point in the X240-X270, either go for X230 for original ThinkPad experience, or X280 for a modern one.

Bump

>>107064048
>I can't buy latest new one with best CPU option
P5X, P15, or T15G in theory but I rarely see them getting sold with actual performative dGPU.
So, a generic gaming laptop that is.

What do we think about the X1 models? Considering purchasing one and replacing my T450
>why?
i just want something light weight to carry in my backpack for work, school, and bed

>>107068289
gimped by intel space heater CPU but the latest aura edition fixes that due to the new lunar lake chip.
That goes without saying but it costs more than a macbook pro

>>107062274
>1366x768
>such a low res
I'm gonna stab you.

Why do you guys keep trying to hang on to the Thinkpad thing. It's over guys.

>>107068381
Why not?

>>107064915
>hates frogs
get out newfag

can someone help me decide which thinkpad should i buy? x13 gen 1, t14 gen 1 amd, or t14 gen 2 amd. ill just use it for web dev and run linux on it.

>>107066507
Nevermind, the black Friday prices just dropped and now the T14 is basically the same price as the L14 lets goooooo

>>107068631
based. i love these discounts so much its unreal. ordered a spec'd out e16 yesterday

>>107068097
I wouldn't say "no reason". You get marginally but progressively better GPUs and optional oem ips 1080p screens as the years go by. You do get chassis flex issues, of course the keyboard gets progressively worse, (half) soldered single channel RAM, but the X280 is nothing to write home about in that respect either - you just get 4 cores instead of 2.

Basically if you're not going to do the classic keyboard swap, leave the X230 in the dustbin of history.

>>107068619
Given the available info, the T14G2 AMD should carry you a long time.

Nobody ever mentions what screen though. That could make or break a decision for me. You're going to have to stare at this fucking thing for hours on end. Don't cheap out on the display. I'd opt for a shittier machine if the display didn't give me eye cancer.

>>107068857
imho /tpg/ threads should include a link to lenovo's thinkpad product spec reference.
https://psrefstuff.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/i_pdf/ThinkPad.pdf

>>107068857
>amd
nope

>>107068968
>amd
yep

>>107068927
They should, especially earlier versions of the psref that include the models most are considering buying.

do you guys have a backpack freebies from your thinkpads?

>>107068757
>you just get 4 cores instead of 2.
Kind of a big deal.

>>107059915
>lightweight websites
>4chud

>>107068509
>loves toads
get out oldfart

>>107068968
SAAAAAAAR

>New new modern: T14g3, T14g4, ... (T14g2 - T14g3: second design change)
What do you think of gen 5 and later? Is the anti-notch that obnoxious?

>>107071624
I have a P14s G5 and I don't hate it

>>107022719
debian+lxqt here

>>107071230
it'll be completely fine on a core 2 era machine. it's very lightweight compared to web6.0 sites like jewtube and pisscord.

genuine question, use case of nu-thinkpad's npu on linux? what do you use those npu for?

>>107071120
It can be. Really depends on your use case. I didn't find a practical difference on my "shitposting and remote access terminal" between having 2 or 4 cores.

All of these discussions should start with wtf are you trying to do, or what gap in computing devices are you trying to fill?

>>107068289
X1 models looks amazing, but I don't have money for that

>2 thunderbolt 4 + 3 USB A
L14 G6 is truly the spiritual successor of good old classic thinkpads. Now I know where to go in the next 3 years once he price has tanked under 300 bucks.

what's the best thinkpad for general browsing and writing?

>>107072072
I mean...

>>107068181
Yeah, with used ones it's problematic to get top option. Most people buy the cheapest of the line and thus most used ones are just cheapest. I guess I'm gonna go for Victus I've been eyeing for quite some time now. Thx for help.

>>107073169
why not a T14 ayymd?

>>107073486
>T14
i want something lightweight
currently with a t450
too bulky and i honestly dont need these I/O.
>why not a Dell
i just like ThinkPad

>>107071495
SAAAAAAAAR

Use case for ThinkPads when Idea Tab Pro exists?

>>107073592
Why bring up Dell? Is it that good?

Im about to make this purchase my little nigs.
(I only have 5k in my bank though I need a new job)

>>107073986
usecase of tablet when X13 Yoga running kde plasma exists?

>>107021499 (OP)
>buy a T430
>Reseller sells it with a T420 battery for some fucking reason.
>Get a greencell battery to make it work.
>Works well for two weeks until it fucking dies and displays as "critical level" and refuses to charge.
>Research and find out Green Cell is shit and the original Lenovo ones are much better
>Buy an actual Lenovo T430 battery from Ebay, shipping costs are shit, but hey better than nothing.
>Works perfectly for a few months
>Fucking dies again, the same way as the Greencell battery same issue, same orange blinking battery icon too
>The only one that works now is the weaker T420 battery
I am fucking livid. Is there a genuinely good solution to this? Or is it always the same fucking bullshit no matter what I go with?

>>107077147
Here's a screenshot of what my battery info says as well.

>>107077147
Flash 1vyrain you dummy. It'll bypass the "genuine battery" check and let you use t420 batteries.

>>107077147
Hear me out.
Get rid of the battery and embrace the wall plug

>>107077302
Already done that, had to do it anyways to begin with to even get it working. The problem is I want to figure out what the problem even is and what's causing this shit since I am certain this will end up affecting the T420 battery at some point, because this can't be normal.

>>107077318
I am considering it, but I am carrying it with me a lot, but I guess for home usage I might as well just rely on just using the plug.

>>107077365
Hmmm...do you set charging thresholds or do you let the battery go full 100-0%?

>>107077396
No, I let it charge between 100-0%, mostly 100 though since I'd let it charge during the night, but with the Green Cell it did charge down to 0%. Why?

>>107077450
Setting battery thresholds like even 20-80% help the battery live longer. Lithium cells don't like being over-discharged or cooked, even with their """smart""" charging chips that are supposed to manage the cells. There's science to it, it's not old wives tale or /tpg/ voodoo.

>>107077532
Damn, I wasn't aware of that at all. I wish I had known this sooner, or even the fact that I could even set such thresholds to begin with. Thanks for telling me.
Out of curiosity, is there any way to actually salvage these batteries or some kind of method I can try to see if I can somehow kickstart them back to life? I know it's a long shot, but it's a waste that these two batteries have basically died, so I am hoping I can try to do something before I resort to buying a new one.

>>107077560
Not really, unless you're super-handy and have a lot of time on your hands. People have re-celled batteries in the past but cutting them open, keeping the charging chips "alive" on bench power while you swap cells (and solder tabs to lithium cells) can be...dicey if you don't know what you're doing.

Me personally, I'd bite the bullet and buy a new battery. Too much trouble when they're still being produced.

But start this one off right and set your charging thresholds right away. There are various utilities to do this depending on your OS.

>>107077610
>Not really, unless you're super-handy and have a lot of time on your hands.
I see, I was hoping it would be something involving needing to just do some kind of power cycle or something just in case it wasn't fully dead, but it seems that it's probably not the case. Was worth a shot anyways.
>Me personally, I'd bite the bullet and buy a new battery. Too much trouble when they're still being produced.
Alright will do, I'll stick with the T420 until I find the next opportunity to get another T430 one, but I need to figure out if I should use another Lenovo model one or try my luck again with Green Cell.
>But start this one off right and set your charging thresholds right away. There are various utilities to do this depending on your OS.
Alright, out of curiosity what's the best utility if I am using the Fedora distro for Linux?

>>107077631
"tlp" or "python3-thinkpad-tools" for Fedora, it appears. Either of them should let you set battery charge thresholds and some other useful Thinkpad related settings.

Real OEM Lenovo batteries would cost a fortune. Don't believe it's an actual Lenovo battery (or pay a premium for it) just because it has a sticker on it that says so. Any Xi Dingdong with a printer can make a label that says Lenovo. Greencell is a decent 3rd party battery company. The one that usually gets recommended around here is KingSener. Good luck.

X220 just arrived.
I already own a X201 and a X230. The X220 is truly the best of both worlds. I fucking love this shit.
Got the one with the i7 too so I have access to a single USB 3.0 port. Pretty cool.

>>107078306
based e-waste collector

>>107055780
>lenovo/ibm server terminals
Yes.

>>107057440
>>107055780
They feel exactly like aliexpress replacement keyboards for T4* gen IBMs but without structure rigidity of a laptop.
Better than modern Lenovo Trackpoint Keyboard but worse than 8855.
Also beware that they have no Super key and Fn is not remappable (And most Fn-combos are some proprietary bullshit that works only with IBM/lenovo ACPI systems instead of sending normal media/power keycodes)

>>107078306
great, now do the x230 keyboard mod

>>107077147
FYI, those "genuine oem" batteries for on ebay are counterfeit, just stick to good name brand