Thread 107061937

Let's rank LLM for vibecoding, obviously Claude Code takes first place but what follows? ChatGPT 5? How about ChatGPT 5 Codex? Has anyone tried Qwen? Also I've heard Gemini is extremely bad

good morning sar

>>107061937 (OP)
useless thread.

theyre all substandard.
done
the technologoy is not suitable for that

Claude is retarded today. Fix it anthropic jannies

>>107061937 (OP)
>Has anyone tried Qwen?
Yes, not for vibe coding, it's really good, I think it might be on par with chatGPT.

>>107061946
>>107061950
>>107061957
How many Rs in Stawberry

>>107061986
i vibecoded with it
its the same shit everywhere.
context fucking wall beyond ~300 locs or so
if you do anything beyond the most basic, uninteresting slop it just fails
sometimes even doing generic shit yields retarded results

<heres chud gpt almost getting me b& from fb's api on day 0
its not hitting context limit
its not something obscure, or rarely used
its 20 lines of fucking paiton.
failed. MISERABLY

the limitations are inherent to the technology
anyone seriously considering vibecoding is either green as grass or is just fucking retarded because they cant correlate causes to effects

>>107062043
>>107061950
Skill issue

I've vibecoded a perfectly functional project of 30k lines, with full test coverage. The people that shit on vibecoding simply don't understand how to use it, you're gonna get replaced at this rate

Follow advice on pic related if you want to vibecode, you're welcome.

>>107062130
I really think vibecoding is a meme. Because of the limitation of AI. I have had it generate alot of code chatgpt, mistral and other models and it seems they all like to solve issues in the most complex way rather then use a simple solutions which massive amounts of code that's not needed. You are creating something that is resource intensive for no good reason. AI has a hard time thinking outside of the box. Also out of date and deprecated ways are also something it likes to do.

>>107062130
>post a screencap of a wall of text
funny how you vibecoders never post your vibecode

also what skill issue?
i got my shit done
AND i didnt get b& from graph api despite the best efforts of my ai copilot
picrel is another chatbot failure

I don't understand "vibecoding". Programming is fun for me. Why would I let AI do it for me?

>>107062208
I got my shit done in 2 days what would have taken you months basically. This is not even a discussion like I'm not gonna argue if vibecoding is or not a thing, you can go and build an entire software by yourself now if you follow the advice I gave you, you either accept that or not, that's on you

>>107062219
>I don't understand "vibecoding". Programming is fun for me. Why would I let AI do it for me?
That's not why we make technology. We make it solve everything and automate everything as possible so you have to do less.

>>107062269
So I'm supposed to automate things I enjoy now?

>>107062225
>I got my shit done in 2 days what would have taken you months basically.
based on what you posted so far you never wrote a line of code
vibecoded or otherwise

>>107062325
>So I'm supposed to automate things I enjoy now?
True

>>107062225
>>107062341
i use ai in my workflow btw
i use it quite heavily
it does accelerate my throughput

but i use it as a search engine and correlation machine
i use it where it works, i use it for whats written on the tin so to speak
and i get great results

but vibecoding is fucktarded
theres no two ways about that.
youre using a statistical engine to solve a deterministic problem.
thats fucking retarded
and its been solved by the industry btw
with something called model based design
look it up. it yields arbitrarily large 100% correct code, every time.

>>107062378
>no coder pipes up
mhm

>>107062392
>n-no, u
shudup marketingroid retard

>>107062325
Programming is a tool, a means to an end, if you like it that's okay, most people strive for the product and features instead

>>107062405
>By implementing these suggestions, you can make your C code more robust, maintainable, and easier to debug, all while retaining its high performance.

>>107062429
yeah exactly
if you like to pretend youre a programmer who are we to stop you
but dont try to convince us playing pretend and outputting software that doesnt work is the future

>>107062467
yeah well
adding a conditional is never free.
your chatbot is plain wrong.

again, if you like to base your code on retarded assumptions and hallucinations, be my guest
also i guard against the null within the function itself to contain the spaghetti
much cleaner, much more maintainable

>>107062509
>much cleaner, much more maintainable
yeah, sure. point is it easily parsed your shit based on me taking a screenshot, kek
so youre whining about how its incapable is just head in the sand faggotry
and its especially ironic when you say shit like this
>>107062487
>but dont try to convince us playing pretend and outputting software that doesnt work is the future

>>107062520
>so youre whining about how its incapable is just head in the sand faggotry
faggotry or not, im still much more capable than it
and what i write is actually correct

>>107062545
youre just an attention whore.
anon gave good advice >>107062130 here which is on-topic, to which you shit on, with your off-topic histrionic bullshit
the average 'vibe coder' is not going to be intelligent enough to do those things, it doesnt mean the tool is bad simply because theyre bad.

also, i cant help but notice:
>tranimeshitter
>complete retard programming wise
>advertizes a product thats dead on arrival
tranimeshitters should pass a competency test on top of having to solve the captcha

>>107061937 (OP)
The best LLM to code is the Human brain, sweaty.

>>107062571
>proof that ops assumption is wrong is off topic
tranimeshitters, everyone
go back to your containment thread, thank you

>>107062580
its not proof its just you being a whiny histrionic faggot though

>>107062593
ofc its proof
the assumption is: "chatbots can be used to code"
they cant.
look up manuals? provide examples?
yea sure why not

vibecoding?
my fucking sides
and then you get all angry and do personal attacks because you cant counter argument

if vibecoding is so simple, post a non trivial project you will code on the fly.
i want a flappy bird clone. its a dead fucking simple program.
you have 1 hour.
go.

>>107062615
>the assumption is: "chatbots can be used to code"
i have vibe coded many things with them.
continue being a histrionic faggot

>>107062130
You'll do all that but learn to code

>>107062593
>>107062615
oh, and write it in C + sdl2
bc i alrdy have that stack on my machine

>>107062619
>>107062615
youre wasting time, faggot
no code posted = didnt happen

>>107062626
>attention whore being histrionic faggot

>>107062641
>still no code
>desperate attempt to turn the discussion into a personal attack instead
ok, didnt happen then.

>>107062651
>attention whore being histrionic faggot

>>107062688
oh, so you wont post code?
as expected, nocodeshitter faggot
vibecoding is trash
you know it yourself
the fukken roundup guy comes to mind
>>its perfectly safe, you could even drink it
>ok, then well get a glass for you then, so you can show us
>>what? im not retarded

>>107062703
>attention whore being histrionic faggot

>>107062708
>personal attack because cant find arguments
i dont even know what histrionic means, but im fairly sure youre projecting
youre certainly doing that with the homofag part

This guy is having a meltdown over some AI taking his life time learning, I get it

>>107062718
>attention whore being histrionic faggot

>>107062722
fags like him worked on the optimization of replacing themselves, fuck em.

>>107062723
>spamming
wow, such a highly intelligent and extremely effective discourse tactic
>>107062722
>group therapy
but i thought you were sure about yourselves

>>107062615
Pretty sure somebody has vibe coded flappy bird. You can do it with phaserjs.

>>107062736
>wow, such a highly intelligent and extremely effective discourse tactic
kek all you do is shitpost im gonna get back to sending my 100k token prompts for free and making money from boomers

here's a thread full of projects bro, stop crying
https://boards.4chan.org/g/thread/107000580#top

>>107062745
yeah but i wanna see it happen live
and written in c + sdl 2
anybody can write a flappy bird and claim its vibecoded
anybody can vibecode a flappy bird over the course of a month, and claim they did it in one day

>>107062757
>yeah but i wanna see it happen live
thats because youre a histrionic faggot that thinks he's special, kek

>>107061937 (OP)
deepseek
qwen coder
codestral
closed source ones like gpt or claude are not worth discussing

>>107062759
no, its just because i have an iq thats above 90 and you have to invest a modicyum of effort if you wanna swindle me

>>107062764
youre a fag heh

>>107062764
Have you already been thinking on alternative job paths now that we can vibecode?

>>107062786
hes a larper he doesnt have a job

Can't wait until we get nuclear back because ai corpos demand the power. Oh wait no one knows how to build nuclear power plants anymore. Oh no worries they'll ask chatgpt and vibecode the whole system, it'll be fine

>>107062130
>become "vibecoder"
>one day all ai companies jack up their prices
>you can no longer afford them
>you are no longer a vibecoder
>you are not even a coder
>you just "vibe" as you suck dicks to make rent

>>107062893
>not training your own local llm with free code for that eventuality
ngmi

>>107062858
hey chatgpt, build this power plant

>>107063042
they will unironically do this

GPT5-mini is very underrated for vibe coding.
PROTIP: Give GPT5-mini a highly detailed abstract of what it is you want to create and then ask for a no-code, top-level implementation plan to achieve your goal that's broken down into separate phases and sub-phases. Then ask it to create an implementation plan for the first step of the first sub-phase of the first phase. Usually, you don't have to go any deeper than that in the recursion chain. From there, just execute every step until your program is finished.

If you actually know how to code, it's like have a project manager who actually knows what he's doing. It'll even give estimated time-frames for completion of each phase based on manpower and assumed skill and competence.

ollama start qwen3-coder:latest

bumpy

>>107063613
>PROTIP: Give GPT5-mini a highly detailed abstract of what it is you want to create and then ask for a no-code, top-level implementation plan to achieve your goal that's broken down into separate phases and sub-phases. Then ask it to create an implementation plan for the first step of the first sub-phase of the first phase. Usually, you don't have to go any deeper than that in the recursion chain. From there, just execute every step until your program is finished.
This already is a skill unto itself, knowing how to structure and plan a program. Most are incapable of this so AI tend to be useless for coding because they can't direct it towards the goals required.

>>107065018
biggest thing is just having the patience to iterate through additions one at a time.
if you give it a huge list it will do the bare minimum of it.
if you split 10 tasks into 10 different prompts.
it will put much more effort and energy into solving each individual task, obviously.

>>107061937 (OP)
kill yourself

>>107065179
>biggest thing is just having the patience to iterate through additions one at a time.
>if you give it a huge list it will do the bare minimum of it.
>if you split 10 tasks into 10 different prompts.
>it will put much more effort and energy into solving each individual task, obviously.
Pretty much, you have to tell it not to start coding while you feed it information. I've created relatively complex applications without writing a single bit of code just to prove it was possible. The only problem is that this is all done using ChatGPT or Claude.ai and not locally hosted LLM. I'm eager to try doing locally hosted but at the moment I just want to round off any rough edges of the few programs I'm "developing" and then move on to something new.

>>107062763
nobody actually makes anything with those though

>>107061937 (OP)
>Ranking indians for jeetcoding
Erm, you gonna rate their poo next?

>>107062130
Only jeets think LOC means anything.

>>107062130
What was the project?

>>107066407
it definitely matters. not necessarily to define complexity of the project itself, but to point out the strengths of the LLM system being able to contextualize everything and make far-reaching changes that affect multiple things, etc

>>107065018
>>107065179
>>107066328
If you're hand holding it this much, isn't it faster to just write it yourself tho? you can use the llm as a search engine and make it provide useful information and code snippets, which you then use while writing the code. I find this approach to be faster than what pretty much boils down to programming in natural language.

>>107062043
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxyL3Ymbwn4

>>107066594
>isn't it faster to just write it yourself tho
fuck no lol
its like having a team of 1000 code monkeys. youre crazy