Thread 107075558

I'm embarrassed to be associated with this "community" of "people". I'd better enlist in the army and die in some war at this point. At least it would be "heroic"

>>107075558 (OP)
wouldn't Stallman be ecstatic that PROPRIETARY windows 11 is turning into a piece of shit.
also that reply is so fucking stupid holy shit

>>107075558 (OP)
why would you want to risk your life for jews instead of risking your life for cunny?

Saar please do not redeem React in your core components of OS

>>107075558 (OP)
Okay, enlist in the army and die then.

>>107075558 (OP)
>react has the best abstractions for render logic
bait used to be believable

>>107075558 (OP)
>What, you want Teams to start in under 5 seconds? Impossible - that would be PHD level work. Do you really think a modern computer can OPEN AN ENTIRE WINDOW and RENDER 8 KB OF TEXT in less than 5 seconds? I don't think so bud - that's eight frickin' THOUSAND bytes.
Reminder that 99% of interactions on your computer should be instant, and anything that isn't is because the code is thousands to millions of times slower than it should be.

>>107075558 (OP)
Literally just throw more hardware at shit. It's cheap and ultra-readily available. Otherwise it's like buying a $5000 gaming PC to browse the internet and play The Sims 1. Just a waste of technological advancement.

The advancements in hardware allows for the creation of more stable and maintainable software. Whether that's taken advantage of is another matter, but it allows for it. This is something I've learned over the years. When did you last see a blue screen? Jesus. I remember XP constantly bugging out and constantly Googling error codes.

>>107076306
>I remember XP constantly bugging out and constantly Googling error codes.

I installed the wrong ATI driver once, that was the first and the last time I had a BSOD on XP.

Windows 11 loads the local file manager in toolbars slower than some websites load from a remote server.

>>107076151
The hardware is simply not at the right level to allow for the code. One day these will open instantly, until then we will be stuck with shittier code. It is unacceptable to be waiting 5 seconds for a program with a modern computer and SSD etc and shouldn't get through quality control. 2 or 3 seconds should be max really.

>>107076306
>1970: land on the moon with 4KB and 1 Mhz of CPU power
>2025: windows crash on menu with 32GB of ram and 5Ghz of CPU

>>107076360
You now remember that this was a daily occurrence. It's rarer now higher level languages are used more often, even though the quality of employee has decreased (outsourcing to India). But yeah that is completely unacceptable if it's a modern computer.

>>107076400
you don't see it because modern window managers are compositing. language has nothing to do with it

>Family member ask me to make a clean windows 11 install on a second hand laptop they bought.
>Set an usb with windows 11, easy.
>Touchpad isn't working during the installation, should be easy to fix after installing windows, keyboard will do till then.
>Windows 11 doesn't recognize the internal storage, I need to download the drivers, go to hp site download their shittyStorageDriver.exe
>Windows 11 installer doesn't support installing anything in exe format.
>Extract the drivers from the shitty hp exe file.
>Installing...., you need internet connection to finalize the installation!
>Wifi adapter isn't working and there's no ethernet port, there's yet another install driver button that doesn't accept exe files... fuck it I'll go the local account route for now, press shift + f10 and put the bypassnro command.
>It works
>Go again to the hp site to download the drivers, turn out for this specific laptop there's 5 different wlan drivers cause, hp doesn't know or care which card is installed on their own laptop; intel, realtek, mediatek...
>Fuck it, I'll install everything I don't care anymore
>Finally after installing all the drivers and updating windows everything seems to work
>Disable the worse ad and privacy offending options

Wasn't this shit supposed to be easier than installing Linux?

Bonus:
>Watch, horrified, how the layout shifts a few times when the context menu is opened for the first time.

>>107076306
>The advancements in hardware allows for the creation of more stable and maintainable software.
Yeah, just like how wearing a seat belt will definitely make someone who's shit at driving into an expert at driving.

>>107076768
>8gb of ram at idle

>>107076400
no it fucking wasn't. i ran xp until the late 2010s and i had so few issues i can't even remember them.

>>107077180
The analogy is obviously shit. It's more akin to driving an old car with manual transmission vs a modern automatic with blind spot warning lights etc. it's harder to make mistakes in the latter. Some people just get off on driving manual because they care more about the act of driving than the destination, same with people who obsess over ancient code because they love programming itself more than they have creative visions for producing useful novel software.

If you are going to be producing something on your own that you are going to be responsible for maintaining and building, and perhaps want interested maintainers to come on board, it is just too important that people be able to read it and understand how everything works QUICKLY and begin to contribute.

>>107077662
My point was that all the best tools in the world will never compensate for a lack of skill. You can write code for an emulated softcore processor and then completely botch it by writing dogshit code in rust and then trying to shove a 260 GB kernel/compiler onto 2MB of RAM just because you think it'll be "safer". Whatever the fuck that means.

>>107075558 (OP)
sad to see you go, send us a postcard

>>107077239
>insert some cope about how unused RAM is wasted RAM

>>107077239
Unused RAM is wasted RAM so I installed a crypto miner on your computer :)

>>107077587
>it didn't happen to me so it didn't exist to any one else
you're retarded

>>107075558 (OP)
does it really literally use react?
wtf windows

>>107079598
it didn't happen anywhere close to daily
you're an idiot

>>107079633
React native, yes. Although if I were told that I needed to create a start menu that had to be 60% filled with ads, full of telemetry, had built-in AI, and I was given the choice between messing around with Win32 or just making some crappy JavaScript, I would make the crappy JavaScript. They'll pay me anyway, and that one bitch from hiring departament is too stupid to understand why my actions are destructible for the Windows in long run and dismiss me.

>>107079670
>it didn't happen to me that means all the evidence to the contrary is fake
please stop embarrassing yourself

React and JavaScript have done irreparable damage to the environment by requiring millions of times more computing power than necessary to fulfill the task.

>>107078355
RAM usage should sit at near 100% but have tonnes of memory marked for freeing as soon as the memory is asked for. I think Linux systems do this with caching, at least in Proxmox's graphs it looks that way, regardless of what top or htop is showing.

>>107076073
He's ... not wrong about Qt sucking, honestly.

>>107079699
Browsers are the promised land of unified UI platform. All it took was morphing a document viewer into a generic set of computing APIs.

>>107076306
>When did you last see a blue screen?
You don't see bluescreens anymore because Microsoft hired excellent programmers (DEC) to build them a solid kernel that Windows still uses to this day. The kind of programmers who would find it utterly abhorrent to use fucking react native in the start menu. Better hardware does not automatically mean better software. Quite the opposite in fact in absence of a gatekeeping mechanism.

>>107079742
>I think Linux systems do this with caching
Correct.

>>107080384
Linux sisters, are we winning again?

>>107079750
You CAN make Qt look and feel good, but I can't say how long that takes to wrangle under the hood.

>>107075558 (OP)
To be fair Microsoft has been trying to make the Windows desktop a web page since the 9x days.

>>107075558 (OP)
check this post current /utwg/ - Unemployable Tech Workers General:

>>107079639
>Only jeets can afford to be average devs, you either are exceptional (like top of your class and/or top hacker or programming competition wizard) or they won't even look at you resume.

says everything you need to know how goodgoys in the US tech industry just bend over and let jeets fuck them in the ass

>>107075577
I think we're living through stallmans nightmare right now where everything is headed in the direction of proprietary cloud computing and normies are the most tech illiterate they've ever been since the late 70s

I have a vague memory of an old MS word version opening instantly on the win 98 computer I used to take classes in school. Am I being mandelaed, or was old software actually quicker to launch?

>>107077983
>>107077239
>Android using half the ram idling: unused ram is wasted ram, it's le linux after all, very efficient
>iOS using half the ram idling: unused ram is wasted ram, it's le unix after all, very efficient
>Windows using half the ram idling: noooo it fucking sucks it's trash it's garbage

what is this mental illness called?

>>107083223
Because in Windows ram is used almost entirely for anything except caching, duh

>>107079750
>Qt sucking,
Do you have any spcific reasons or is it just a skill issue?

>>107083156
Nowadays MS has this thing that starts loading all of their apps upon boot up, to hide the fact that it actually takes 90 seconds to boot a fucking text editor

>>107085091
nta but qt has always sucked, but no one has come up with anything better yet
t. greybush the wise

>>107076306
do you people not take any pride in your work?

>>107075577
>>107082837
Stallman is a giga boomer who LOVES experimental proprietary medicine with closed source mRNA blobs injected directly into his OS.

>Nooo you can't have React in the start menu
>Even though you only ever use the start menu to open a browser to load pages written in React

You are fighting battles that were lost a long time ago. The OS is only a shell for the browser.

>>107085186
But how does it suck?

It's by faaar the best framework I have used. Styling it can be a bit cumbersom, but you can literally customise every pixel if you want to.

>>107077105
The simplest way to install Windows is to install a recent version of Linux (Fedora or Arch) and make a Windows virtual machine.

>>107075558 (OP)
>"nobody notices this [problem], there for it will never be a problem"
>two years later
>"sorry I had no idea that [problem] was there to begin with, why did nobody tell me?"

>>107085208
This, he's a boomer vaxxtard

>>107085208
holy...

>>107076768
>snipping tool

>>107087378
fucking hell
https://web.archive.org/web/20230601060132/https://www.gatesnotes.com/What-We-Must-Do-to-Turn-the-Tide-on-AIDS

>>107077105
>Windows 11 doesn't recognize the internal storage, I need to download the drivers
Fucking hell.
I remember they always make it Raid for whatever reason.
Setting it back to AHCI detects storage right away.

>>107076768
Windows 7 is still the best. 6GB of RAM in use with all of the tabs and applications running

>>107087434
>t. duckling retardation

>>107087634
You upset?

I avoid you faggots as much as possible for this reason.
Too many of you are controlled by onions and autism.

>>107081115
explorer has been a web app since later editions of windows 95. ever wondered why navigating folders played the same sound effect as navigating a website? it's the same engine. it has been for nearly 30 years

>>107087750
that's not what defines a "web app"

>>107087764
no, it wasn't originally exactly the same thing, but the point is that they've been working towards it for a long time

>>107087773
>the file explorer and web browser use the same sounds, therefore windows 98 was a LE WEB APP just like react native w11!!!
nigga you are dumb as fuck.

>>107087777
it wasn't just the sounds anon

>>107087773
>>107087777
actually i take it back, it was exactly the same thing, folder views were rendered the same way as websites were. IE was just a lighter engine. now we're stuck with chromium

>>107087807
>a thing being capable of rendering web pages means it is a web page

>>107087813
https://web.archive.org/web/20050321093900/http://www.pcpro.co.uk/broadband/reviews/671/internet-explorer-4.html

>>107087856
>internet explorer 4 exists therefore your file system is a web app

>>107087864
oh, you're just pretending. carry on, then

>>107075558 (OP)
>application that causes a spike in cpu usage every time you press the start button
Linjeets are tech illiterate retards. What's next, it's loaded into memory?

>>107076151
this but unironically. i have TWO(2) work laptops and one of them is loaded down with corpo cancerware, the other is way way worse. on the first laptop hitting the windows key takes maybe a second and it's annoying. i have completely hung up my other computer by hitting it too soon after logging in, and i literally can't log out. the operation times out or some shit so i have to just shut it off entirely by holding the power button (which also sometimes doesnt work because it tries to bring up a dialog instead of just cutting power)

>>107087856
ie4 is based and chromium is cringe

>>107088000
'member when win98 straight up gave you an option ootb to edit the html of folder views?

>>107088043
it was more responsive thats for sure

>>107088043
>have to create an HTML document to do it
hmmmmmmmmmm

>>107088074
plenty of people were still mad at it early on though, here's a classic anyone of a certain age has seen before;
http://toastytech.com/evil/

>>107088120
it opens a copy of the folder view template/default html and you can made an edited version of it that is saved to that folder

>>107088126
now this is some kino web design

>>107087892
Spike should be less than 0.1% at that clock and zen 3 ipc. You're fucking coping nigga

>>107088157
>You're fucking coping nigga
I'm not the one just finding out about the basics of computing, you coping linjeet retard. Just keep defending your fellow retards. You're an embarrassment.

>>107088120
here's where they're stored

>>107088043
wtf I never knew it could do that

>>107088212
it's right there in the context menu of every folder (customise this folder). most people at most just changed the background, but you could go nuts on it if you were so inclined

>>107088221
well today i learned. still, it doesnt really compare to how W11 is made of React Native and is therefore bad, even before being made in react badly

>>107088288
it was a tasteful, minimal amount of html/js in win98, as performance was still something they thought about. also things like media player previews and the file icons were native win32 controls, it wasn't 100% web elements. like they're placed inside the html document with a special object guid reference

>>107075558 (OP)
Meanwhile on Sebastian Aaltonen's twitter:
>yeah I'm working on a 100k player voxel game with 2km render distance on a mid-range epyc cpu
Why are the people that are in charge of operating system development so fucking stupid?

>>107088362
someone will freak out about jeets at you but the real reason is that the interests of shareholders and the interests of users do not align

>>107075558 (OP)
Why should they be using such abstractions? Isn't opengl and vulkan already abstracted? They even have their own directx.

>>107088442
>is that the interests of shareholders and the interests of users do not align
You'd think Microsoft's shareholders would want to make the OS as good as possible in order to not lose market share.

>>107088509
they only need the be the most convenient option, not the best option
in terms of average users, what competition do they have? linux is nibbling on their lunch for development and gaming tasks, and they're tackling the dev side by adding WSL (we have linux at home), for gaming windows is still of course competitive. for big proprietary productivity software, most people are still stuck with windows or macos, as while wine has gotten gud at games, complex productivity software is still a difficult task
people will buy new hardware to run windows if they don't have another option, even myself i have a windows vm for solidworks because it's currently simply not replaceable or operable in wine. if it ran in wine i'd do that, and if i could drop years of existing solidworks documents and spend time learning freecad i'd do that, but that's a big ask, as much as i'd prefer to be running something native to linux

>>107088126
There was some short lived update to W95 that changed the desktop to act like a webpage. Instead of double clicking to open items, they were hyperlinks that opened with a single click. Think it was when Microsoft had their "oh shit, the internet isn't going away" moment and tried to webify everything. We had to figure out how to turn it off because all the boomers at work were already confused enough about using computers as it was so changing the way Windows worker was a productivity killer. Really strange. Don't think it survived to Windows 98.

>>107088509
The average windows user wouldn't switch unless they started charging them a monthly fee anon. There is no risk for microsoft so they might as well just wow the investors with AI and other slop speak.

>>107088442
jeets are the instrument of the shareholders

Sirs please do not redeem the React

>>107088590
i haven't heard of that being default, but such an option is available in win98, just not default.
didn't stop people double-clicking on website hyperlinks, so i can understand why they would unify this behaviour

>>107088509
it turns out it's cheaper to just bolt more shit to the Office (or Teams, now) suite than to make what Office runs on actually good

>>107088590
>w95
>update
calling bullshit on this one

>>107088509
>he thinks microsoft wants users on "personal computers"
top kek

>>107088644
>calling bullshit on this one
there were several major updates to win95 anon
in fact, the update anon is talking about is named in >>107088627
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Desktop_Update

>>107085489
Windows should be dogfooding their own OS UI dev tooling. If WinUI/WinForms/MAUI isn’t usable, then there’s just one less reason in a dwindling list of reasons to actually use Windows. At this point…backwards compatibility, stability, and driver support? There’s really very little left and that’s saying something when users universally crave OS-native application development.

>>107088687
winforms isnt real its just a story they tell jeets to scare them during java classes

>>107088627
I wasn't in the IT support side of things so I don't know how that update ended getting rolled out with that particular setting. I just know the secretaries were all confused by it. This was around the time networks were melting down over everyone running Pointcast.

>>107088687
Microsoft isn't so much a company as a collection of endlessly warring villages. The people doing the desktop frameworks have no control over those doing the UI for Windows.

>>107088929
i'm tempted to set up 95 OSR1 or older and install the windows desktop update separately just to see what the default setting is

>>107077180
Id say a better metaphor is like giving a shit driver a F1 racecar vs. giving a f1 racer a shitbox. The latter will perform better than the former unless the hardware is so shit its not functional.

>>107075558 (OP)
>jeet logic
If you don't notice it, it doesn't matter

>>107075558 (OP)
>I'm embarrassed to be associated with this "community" of "people". I'd better enlist in the army and die in some war at this point. At least it would be "heroic"
technology is supposed to be fun and interesting, you fucking faggots
have you guys ever tried making something?
try it

Imagine using Windows 1e1even in 2025. Move on. It's over. Linux is where it is

>>107076400
It has nothing to with the language you retarded rust troon. Neck yourself.

>>107089025
>on my Pentium II with 128MB of ram

>>107076306
I had to reinstall w11 twice already

>>107089063
hdd bottlenecks your path

>>107089025
need this in a 2x2 with w7 TR w10 BL w11 BR

>>107076151
>>107087907
my work laptop has 16gb of ram and immediately upon boot it is at 90% memory usage due to windows 11, teams, outlook, and whatever vpn/security shit they're running. sometimes excel itself takes 5 minutes to run a formula

>>107089025
We lost this technology

>>107076306
this, let's program all oses in webshit stack because guptas can't "program" in anything else.

2 minutes to open a drive? buy faster hardware

>>107079802
and it's not because operating systems developers couldn't agree on an unified framework.

it's to shift away computing from workstations to the clouds so your data was readily available to the interested parties.

>>107089025
Irony is that this is all you really needed, except updated drivers

>>107088362
How much have you spent on operating systems in the last decade?
How much have you spent on video games in the last decade?

>>107075558 (OP)
>pic
Oh wow it's true. Was able to make it to 60% cpu usage if I spam fast enough