Thread 107075982

What the fuck is wrong with the people claiming this?

AI can't possibly replace any software dev. If it could, I would just use it for my remote job and just collect free money until my boss realizes, but I don't even use it because Stack Overflow is still better.

If other people were getting more out of it, my coworkers would be significantly faster now, and I would've noticed.

These layoffs are due to the bust cycle from the fed. Why are people blaming AI? How stupid can they be?

I hate this because it feeds into the narrative that chatGPT can do our jobs. "Hehe, learn to weld! Should've gotten a REAL job!", say the idiots who can't code because it can't be learned by repetition. Meanwhile, AI is technologically closer to replacing trades via robots than it is to replace software devs, because it's not going to be able to do complex reasoning any time soon.

Those arent real software devs, max. junior level

>Spent all that time how to code
So some udemy code monkey thinking they are software devs

>>107075982 (OP)
You clearly haven't used Claude sonnet in agent mode

>>107076058

who cares about gpt3, 4, 5, claude, gemini, agent mode, etc? it's all the same technology and it can't do complex reasoning.

>>107076031
>Those arent real software devs, max. junior level
AI still shouldn't be replacing those, with how useless it is. I don't even know what they're doing or what they're referring to when they say AI took their job. Unless he made it up because he got laid off, must've been a very easy job or idk

>>107075982 (OP)
cope, I used a mix of all the free AIs and was able to code a fully functional package manager in go witho with zero prior expérience in go. I barely used Cursor or Claude since the free versions are very limited but google ai studio free mode is really good and is okay looking through the 8000 lines of the source code. It's really impressive how it was able to work on the build dependecy logic, rebuilds for circular dependencies, find bugs and fix them when given feedback Also the AI setup the whole executor logic for privilege escalation via sudo when needed, complete encapsulation of subprocesses so everything can be killed with Ctrl+c, parallel processing of all the functions that can benefit. That shit is like having a full time assistant that does all the heavy lifting for you. The most impressive part is when you ask for changes/improvements and it's start thinking a solution and theb corrects itself to come to the final solution, bluffing.

>>107075982 (OP)
>If it could, I would just use it for my remote job and just collect free money until my boss realizes
Yup going straight into my collection of evidence that anyone that cries about AI is a talentless hack only mad that they will lose their job because they are talentless hacks.

>>107075982 (OP)
>AI can't possibly replace any software dev
Lmao you are clueless. I can replace a team of developers and do months of work in days.

>>107076280
This. AI is a talent multiplier. Zero skills x anything is still zero. Anyone who says LLMs suck is suffering from skill issue.

>>107075982 (OP)
>Stack Overflow is still better
oof

>>107076081
Exactly my point, you haven't used it

>>107076299
>accumulate months of technical debt in days
ftfy

>I barely survived college with my social skills
What's that got to do with anything? I hardly spoke to anyone the entire time I was there, graduated with a top grade that's the point

>>107076550
Yeah yeah twitter will collapse in two more weeks without all those totally needed technicians.

>>107076103
They aren't being replaced as such... there are just less devs required because AI can debug code or do menial alterations in seconds.

>>107076261
A package manager is not some new app, it's a generic thing. I would believe it that AI can do it.

Good luck with the bugs in those 8000 lines of slop, though.

>>107076280
Because I said that if it was useful, I would just have it do my job and collect free money? How do you think I do my job then?

>>107076299
Unreliable narrator. You're probably a vibe coder who learned python on udemy or something.

>>107076618
Yes, just two more weeks! Those technicians were totally necessary, I swear, this time it's true, just two more weeks and it will collapse!

Lmao fucking idiot, who said twitter would collapse? Keeping an app running as it is doesn't require any development.

>>107076697
Menial alterations or debugging AI could do are not a significant part of the job. I think it's all a myth because there's just layoffs due to the economy.

>>107076058
I have and I agree with OP
I use claude daily and it cannot replace my job. Maybe it could replace a junior but even then it'd be iffy without constant babysitting.
That said I don't write boilerplate webdevshit so maybe for the most mindless codemonkey jobs it would indeed be good enough. We did see companies outsource to india after all, and I'd say that a good AI like claude is definitely smarter than an outsourced indian. So the kind of people who lost jobs to indians might lose it to AI now, or maybe the kind of managers who would accept imdians as adequate labour are also the ones firing devs in favor of more AI usage. That probably explains the stories of people unironically losing their jobs

>>107075982 (OP)
>AI can't possibly replace any software dev.
it did though, the way it works at my company that AI can do 10x the job of every intern/entry level programmer
so we fire juniors left and right, and serniors use AI as code monkeys then just perform code reviews/improvements before commiting the AI slop

The people getting replaced by AI are the ones who were making 6 figures to center a div.
Very ignorant and non-technical executives don't realize that not every "software engineer" type job is centering a div and are trying to replace every single technical position with AI to save cost.

>>107075982 (OP)
Cory Doctorow wrote about this, actually.

>>107076261
>witho with zero prior expérience in go

You don't get replaced by an AI. You get replaced by someone cheaper who uses AI to become as productive as you are for less money. If a guy making $150,000 as a developer might become 20% more productive with an AI assistant. A guy making $45,000 per year might become 80% more productive using the same AI assistant than he'd otherwise be and be able to accomplish most of what the senior guy can. It makes the job easier which increases the labour pool which lowers the salaries. Not for everybody, but by and large. Nobody knows how it ends up playing out over the long run either. Maybe there ends up being fewer software developers, or maybe there ends up being more software developers because the price of software development comes down and allows smaller firms to develop larger products than they'd be able to before. If you look at the accounting and auditing business, there are twice as many accountants in that industry than there were in the 1950's, despite the fact that it took more accountants to service a single client decades ago than it does today. The tools and software became better which allowed one accountant to do the work of several, meaning more people and smaller business could afford to hire accountants. Something similar could happen with software development. Smaller companies that currently buy a software package from a large developer might find it preferable to spring for something custom and in house where before that would have been impossible with their budget.

>>107078898
>If you look at the accounting and auditing business, there are twice as many accountants in that industry than there were in the 1950's
per capita I should add

>>107075982 (OP)
I am a C dev and I work in a company that develops specialized (mostly embedded) software for industrial devices, like various controllers for (an example) a CNC machine. LLLMs has never replaced anyone working here and unless they change the general principle how an LLM works, it never will replace anyone here. That guy in picrel is and I am sure of it, a script kiddie, writing javascript and he sees himself as a programmer. Those people can be replaced by a simple html template generator, no need for an LLM.

>>107078984
you could be replaced too lol you are not special you just get your hands dirty and your knowledge is exchanged through word of mouth and on the job training.
this is just luck though, nothing to do with your job being better or safe. not at all.

AI could replace me.
I know enough of what's working to fix shit.
I use multiple AIs to do just that

>>107077802
call it slop but it works, I find the best way is to work in small increments and when I find a bug I just describe the bug to the AI and it finds the flaw and gives me a fix. working with an agent would probably be 20 times more efficient but I don't want to pay for my hobby project.
>>107078876
phone autocorrect at 5am produces bad posts

>>107075982 (OP)
>AI can't possibly replace any software dev.
you're retarded and it shows
>have senior dev
>too much shit to do for him to fit inside working hours
>hire more devs to increase throughput
>senior dev gets AI tool
>can now match the output of the team alone again
>get rid of superfluous headcount

AI doesn't need to directly replace you to take your job. Just make it redundant. Just like a tractor can't do everything a mexican can, but a farmer with a tractor doesn't need as many mexicans as his great grandpa did to work the same amount of farmland

>>107078984
it can theoretically happen we're just not there yet. but yes, embedded jobs seem safe for as long as any jobs are safe, due to the physical aspect

Kek, bait thread. I bite.

Learn to weld or to nurse you useless keyboard clacker. You are about to be laid off from your wfh web dev gig developing the millionth online shop or online banking nobody asked for

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