Thread 107082352

>>107021499
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook)

Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards, tactile feel and quiet + the TrackPoint
>Great durability: magnesium roll cage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>Excellent Linux & *BSD support

ThinkWiki - General info about ThinkPads/specs
https://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki

Model generations:
>Classic IBM: T40, T41, T42
>IBM/Lenovo Transition: T43, T60, T61 (T42 - T43: significant difference in specs)
>"Classic" Lenovo: T400, T410, T420 (T61 - T400: 4:3 to 16:10)
>Transition to old modern: T430, T440, T450 (T420 - T430: membrane to chiclet)
>Old modern: T460, T470, T480 (T450 - T460: significantly less thick)
>New modern: T490, T14g1, T14g2 (T480 - T490: design change)
>New new modern: T14g3, T14g4, ... (T14g2 - T14g3: second design change)

BIOS replacement:
https://coreboot.org/downloads.html
https://libreboot.org/docs/install/
https://canoeboot.org/docs/install/

Additional resources:
https://dankpads.com/tpg/
https://biosimage.booru.org
https://1vyra.in

Patches:
https://github.com/digmorepaka/thinkpad-firmware-patches
https://github.com/hamishcoleman/thinkpad-ec

Chat:
##ibmthinkpad on libera
#/tpg/ on rizon

/g/ is ded

waiting for my thinkpad...

Everybody talks about 2010s era ThinkPads, but those are starting to be fucken old now. How do newer ones (T14 Gen 2 and later) do as far as Linux support and repair are concerned?

>>107083168
from what I've seen they're OK. most people who I've known to make the switch to one have been happy with it.

I've been using a 2019 x390 yoga for a little while with manjaro installed and it works really well.

Unemployed oldheads will tell you nothing beats their librebooted T61 or x201 but if its a machine that you're actually gonna use then i suggest getting something newer.

>>107083648
Libreboot doesn't even support the T61 or X201, perhaps you're thinking of T60 and X200.

>>107083144
what did you purchase, anon

Need a businesslaptop that doesnt cost an arm and a leg

need a nvdia 4080 or at least 5070ti for my work.

Which businessmodells should I look for? I dont want to buy some flashy gaymun

>>107083847
I didn't bother looking up supported devices. my point remains the same. If you want a practical machine you should probably aim for something newer.

>>107083945
bahahahahaha, no you don't need those gpus for your job

>>107083945
with that kind of spec it'll be rough getting something that doesn't look like gaming bs.

if it absolutely has to be in a lenovo laptop then you're best off with one of the new legion gaming laptops.

I've heard the razer productivity laptops are decent but you'll be paying out the ass.

At that spec doing graphics work that heavy on the go is crazy and will kick out insane heat from whatever machine that card is in. If i was doing anything that required that kind of power i'd probably do a desktop for heavy work and a small cheap laptop for general tasks.

I messed around the bios on my x230 and on startup it says "Thinkpad" then shows a windows logo instead of saying "Lenovo" like it used to

>>107084007
running llm with healthcare related data locally (I hate legal) that shits the bed all the time... I have an eGPU but sometimes I need full mobile. No remote servers dont work in some shitholes...

>>107084038
see >>107084049

I looked at the workstations but 4000 eurobongs is heavy...

I thought of maybe trying some of the new AI-CPU related chips? with maybe a low level RTX but honestly I tested a 4070 last week on a i7.13700H and it didnt have enough power from the GPU side.

>>107084042
ya done fucked up unc

>>107084049
quantized LLMs with vector DB access outperform even the biggest MoE models
just with good enough ReAct prompt and few MCP servers you could run LLM needed for your tasks

git gud, if you actually need heavy GPUs use Vast.ai

>>107083966
I daily drive a Libreboot X200 without any issues.

>>107084226
Congratulations, i didn't say it was impossible. but daily driving a cpu with half the power of a first generation i3 and no modern IO isn't practical for most people. Especially if those people have actual work to do on the thing.

>>107084068
I thought as much

>>107084331
>a cpu with half the power of a first generation i3
The P8700 is only 7% slower compared to the i3 on the X201.
https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare/975vs742/Intel-Core2-Duo-P8700-vs-Intel-i3-330M
>and no modern IO isn't practical for most people
I've got DisplayPort, Ethernet, USB 2.0, and 3.5mm audio. Anything more than that is bloat.
>Especially if those people have actual work to do on the thing.
I can ssh into my 16 core Xeon workstation.

>>107078163
>"tlp" or "python3-thinkpad-tools" for Fedora, it appears. Either of them should let you set battery charge thresholds and some other useful Thinkpad related settings.
Thanks, I set it up.
Although something very curious. After I set it up, I still had the busted battery plugged in, and weirdly enough it no longer showed as critical and actually started charging. After I applied the thresholds it stopped charging and is currently stuck at 30%, although removing the charger causes it to show up as -1% on my DE's battery display.
tlp meanwhile shows these stats, I don't know if this means anything specifically.

>>107078163
>>107079763
>Real OEM Lenovo batteries would cost a fortune. Don't believe it's an actual Lenovo battery (or pay a premium for it) just because it has a sticker on it that says so.
>FYI, those "genuine oem" batteries for on ebay are counterfeit, just stick to good name brand
Funny thing is, I got told in this general a few months ago to avoid third party batteries and to straight up get the Lenovo battery, so whoever told me that can go fuck themselves if it's true that the batteries on the market are usually counterfeits. Damn shame.

>>107085832
Wait nvm, I am fucking retarded, I just noticed I might've modified the wrong parameters in tlp. That might explain why it stopped charging.

>>107084524
>only 7% slower compared to the i3 on the x201
so your defense against the allegation that its slow is that it is slower than a 15 year old budget chip that was clocked down to go in a laptop?
i'm not sure if that logic helps your case.

>I've got DisplayPort, Ethernet, USB 2.0, and 3.5mm audio. Anything more than that is bloat
so you have all those ports, they're all more single usage than a normal modern usb-c port with display-port integration and power delivery and somehow you think its less bloated than a modern equivalent?

>I can ssh into my 16 core Xeon workstation
so you admit its not suitable for work, you can just use it to connect to a machine that you can actually do work on...
anon you're using it as a glorified chromebook

>>107085870
>so your defense against the allegation that its slow is that it is slower than a 15 year old budget chip that was clocked down to go in a laptop?
>i'm not sure if that logic helps your case.
You made a claim that was false. The X200 does not have half the power of a first gen i3.
>so you have all those ports, they're all more single usage than a normal modern usb-c port with display-port integration and power delivery and somehow you think its less bloated than a modern equivalent?
You made the claim that the X200 had no modern ports, now you're just moving the goalpost.
>so you admit its not suitable for work, you can just use it to connect to a machine that you can actually do work on...
>anon you're using it as a glorified chromebook
I made no such admission. The point was if I need more power (which 99.99% of the time I don't) there are options available.

I need a new tuning laptop for my cars and I was thinking of just buying the $800 refurb P14S off the outlet. Have the laptop ryzen cpus been okay?

I hate ideapads, but I guess theyre good for the poor living alone student

>>107086377
I deliberately pick Thinkpad despite the increased cost because that arrow keys are fucking disgusting

>>107083910
thinkpad e16 gen 3 intel

I've got a T460 currently and want something with more cores soon. Thinking of getting a T480 or T490, or P50, P51, or P52. I run some virtual machines, DAW software, Creative Suite 6, some light games, and basic tasks. What's the best option for me?

>>107087444
Budget?

>>107084042
I think this happens when you switch from UEFI to legacy boot

waiting for ebay chinesium charger to show up, then will be running this as an XP gaming machine.
possible RAM/CPU upgrades to come.
definitely swapping out HDD for SSD (should be fine as long as i disable defrag, right?)
planning to play:
>diablo
>pharaoh
>half-life
>aoe
>ut
any other /vr/ suggestions?

I think you're a faggot goysumer cattle (and tech illiterate, ironically) if you buy anything newer than the x30 series, by the way.
I cringe every time I read some faggot post about how they just bought a ThinkPad, how they're "part of the cult" or "fell for the meme" by buying a piece of shit nuPad. The profound ignorance of both the ThinkPad autist culture and computer processing power in general is just too much for me.
It's really no wonder this general has been dead for fucking years, a corpse fumbling around and kept alive by clueless midwits and the occasional oldfag nostalgia posting.
But hey, it keeps the prices low on the good stuff at least!

>x200
Is there a difference between Libreboot and Canoeboot in this instance?

>>107088867
I really don't see the big gulf in classic ThinkPad autism between the xx30 and Tx40p, and the latter are much less expensive to fool around with. No self-respecting poorfag would pay $100 in total for a T430 and an eDP adapter when a $75 T440p can take a decent screen out of the box.

good morning sirs

Apparently newer Dell business laptop has replaceable USB-C port.
What's the catch?

>>107089202
iirc Libreboot includes microcode updates but Canoeboot doesn't

>>107088867
To be fair, I got a T430, but I definitely don't consider myself part of the Thinkpad cult yet, until I start buying and upgrading IBM models, then it's another story. I mostly came here to get advice since I fully admit to being a newbie and want to learn and improve, and I started with the T430 as a "training wheels" exercise so I don't end up damaging something more valuable and older and I can practice on a newer model since I had zero experience with upgrading hardware up until this point (and I travel frequently, never had the chance in my entire life to upgrade or build a PC). I think it's much wiser to do so than buying an older model and doing some retarded shit to completely obliterate it by accident.
>if you buy anything newer than the x30 series
What's wrong with buying an IBM model from 2003-2005 though (i.e. T41, T42, etc)? Genuinely curious.

>>107090155
The x is meant to represent number
X230, T430, T530, etc etc.

>>107089980
None, I think they did because going in and out of docks all day was breaking ports and repairs would fuck with the thunderbolt controller so now you can basically hot swap I guess.
Weird how some of them have soldered memory though. Why the fuck would you invent CAMM and not use it?

>>107090281
Yeah nvm, I misread. I thought he meant the actual original X30 model that was released in 2003, my bad. Disregard my post then, I completely misinterpreted him.

>>107082352 (OP)
dont mind me
just flexing on yall wiggas
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>>107090526
>krashde
>tranime wallpaper
lmao, you're flexing nothing

>>107086377
>TN
Yawn
>>107089440
Cute handkerchief, bru :-*
>>107090526
Is that you in the wallpaper? :-D
>>107090542
Rudefellas aren't welcome in /tpg/.

>>107090562
so is tranime

Is the T510i any good? I found one in my local store still sitting around after 10 years.

>>107088199
Under $300, preferably on the lower end.

>>107091476
P52-P53 for heavy and unbreakable
T14 G1-2 AMD for thin and relatively flimsy
T480 for weak CPU, okay build, good battery life

Avoid T490 which combines the flaws of T14 and T480 plus soldered wifi

Is there such a thing as:

>silent / near silent / fanless laptop
>15-16" display
>modern intel / amd low tdp cpu with igpu
>at least 16gb ram, better 32gb
>price around 1000 €

?
I find it to be extremely difficult to purchase a laptop, as fan noise / being quiet / silent seems to be never mentionend by any manufacturer and often neglected in reviews. I just need a laptop that shuts the fuck up while using office applications, browsers / youtube and at most some shitty 2D java games, while not revving its jet turbine right in front of my face.
Outside of obvious fanless foldable models / large tablets, I can't find any silent laptop.

>>107091854
>https://www.notebookcheck.net/Lenovo-ThinkPad-E16-G3-Review-Affordable-office-laptop-is-even-better-with-a-120-Hz-display.1059930.0.html
>You can configure the new ThinkPad E16 G3 directly in Lenovo's online shop starting at $923

>>107088867
I've been using a t430 for like a decade now and I'm moving on to a t14 by the end of the year, it's too fucking slow

>>107091854
Any recent non-workstation laptop can be made nearly silent using the builtin power saving mode or manually throttling the CPU. My T14 G5 AMD at work usually stays silent and at worst spins for a few minutes in a day.

I bought a refurbed X13 Gen 1 (AMD)
How much did i fucked up?

>>107090021
Generally speaking, and that's only for newer machines. Since x200 has always been fully functional with Libreboot, I'm assuming it's identical to Canoeboot.

>>107092638
Don't tell me it has 8 GB

I thought I'd just dig my old thinkpad (with i7 and radeon rx gpu) from my closet and start using it, but the fucker won't turn on. I let it charge the batter for 1 hour but it only blinks the power and capslock leds when I press power button, nothing else it just keeps blinking them. What do? Is the battery dead?

>>107092770
16gb and FHD IPS

>>107090584
Anime website.
Anime board.
Anime catalog.
Anime thread.
Anime reply.
DEAL WITH IT.

>>107092077
>>107092523
thank you for the advice

>>107091854
MacBook Air 15"

>>107082753
No, it isn't.

Was looking for a good Linux laptop and decided to pull the trigger on a brand new X13 Gen 5
It's about the price of a macbook air, and I still think the air is a superior computer (I own one) but honestly no issues for a week now. The Ultra 5 is quiet and reasonably cool, build quality is solid and battery life is great. Its a bit bricky but honestly its so far a very solid little computer and I love it.

bumo

>>107092476
I've been using a t430 for the last two months and it's perfect for my school needs so far.

>>107093085
it's alright as long as you don't spend over 200 bucks. should have took G2 instead

>>107082352 (OP)
what mods are available for the T440s?

>>107095174
100$

>>107092745
>Since x200 has always been fully functional with Libreboot
Libreboot didn't use to include microcode, they changed that policy so more devices could be supported

>>107095806
genuinely a good steal if it comes with good battery

Can you Libreboot a T480? I see it appears on the Libreboot site, but most people tell me not to try it, because it is unsafe

>>107096369
Yeah my T480 is librebooted, everything works as expected except it takes a second or two longer to resume from suspend compared with the stock BIOS.
My X220 is also librebooted and doesn't have that issue, it wakes up from suspend immediately.

>>107092965
Remove the battery and power it on with the AC adapter only.

You can try plugging the battery back in while it's running to see if you can jump start it.

>>107086194
>You made a claim that was false. The X200 does not have half the power of a first gen i3
I'll admit to over exaggeration but the original point still stands. by all metrics your cpu is slow.
>You made the claim that the X200 had no modern ports, now you're just moving the goalpost
The goalpost hasn't been moved dumbass, i said that your ports could almost all be replaced with a few usb-c's and it would be less bloated and faster. the original point still stands your IO is outdated and slow compared to more modern equivalents
>I made no such admission. The point was if I need more power (which 99.99% of the time I don't) there are options available.
This kinda brings us all the way back around to the original disagreement. i never said it was impossible to use the older machines, i said that for most people they'll want something more modern for real work. if you're gonna use your machine for gooning and scrolling the basket weaving forum then its probably worth it to run a machine that old for the keyboard and the aesthetic but considering that the first thing i said that you replied too was >>107083168
aka someone asking for advice on more modern hardware, i'm assuming they actually want something they can rely on rather than a 17 year old, under powered cope machine

>>107092965
give what anon said here >>107096620
a go but if this doesn't work you may need to look up the blink code that those lights are flashing up on your model

>>107097338
Yeah, but USB-C sucks, just like your arguments :P
But in all seriousness, yes I know it's "old" but my point is simply that it's incredibly capable for its age so much so that it literally works just fine for my daily driver. When I show it to people and mention that it's 17 years old, people literally don't believe me. It's in mint condition and has some specs (CPU aside) on par with modern laptops (i.e., 8GB RAM, 2TB SSD). I might upgrade in the next year or so to a libreboot X230, but I don't really have a strong need to stop using it right now.

>>107097464
Not that guy but I have a T400 and an X220 (my daily driver)
Even though they're only 3 years apart my X220 is so much faster than the T400. If you're happy with a X200 now then an X230 will last you for a long time.

>>107097464
it's definitely capable for its age and if you don't wanna upgrade I'm not here to convince you too. I'm not against the classics either, i have a t420 i refuse to get rid of for that exact reason. i'll stick to my yoga for a daily driver though. lightweight, good screen and decent battery life are way bigger priorities considering i take this thing all over the place.

Mind if i ask why you're looking at an x230?

I used to have one but it crapped out (Battery circuit failure) so i know they're nice machines but i replaced that with an x270 and never looked back.

>>107097628
For sure, I've used nearly all models from x6x to xx80, so I'm aware of the differences in performance.
>>107097645
Beyond the Libreboot support, I feel like the X230 is the last of true X-series design (i.e., easily accessible hard drive caddy, RAM slots, classic keyboard option).

Which version of Windows 11 are you throwing on these for normies?

>>107091672
Thanks for your reply. Is there a big difference in performance for my use case between P51, 52 and 53? I see the used prices jump pretty significantly between each of these models.

>>107082352 (OP)
Not a ThinkPad question, but is Acer Nitro V15 with i9 and 4060 good for these?
>games
>video editing
>AIslop gen

I don't care about battery life

What's the newest best used Dell that is good for Linux? I want a 2k screen and good battery life.

>>107098138
There's about a 30% improvement per gen if you look at the top CPUs they were sold with. P51 is all quad-cores, P53 has up to 8 cores

Which of the custom boots let you change your boot screen? Has anyone changed theirs to anything fun? All I can really think of is some hack the planet image or the mr robot face.

>>107095930
but the x200 image shouldn't have any of that though right? Do I have to dig through git to confirm that? It just seems most logical.

>>107096410
>My X220 is also librebooted
x220 can be librebooted? i thought that was just the x230

>>107099197
Yeah it can. You can't internal flash it from the stock BIOS like you can on an X230, you have to use an external BIOS flasher. I used a ch341a

>>107099190
They do have microcode updates, but you can remove them with the CBFS tool. (Although, keeping the microcode is recommended for stability, plus there's already microcode on the CPU, so not having the update doesn't make you any more "libre".)
>>107099197
They've had support for several years, even longer if you count coreboot support.
>>107099304
The ivyrain flash isn't a complete flash since it can only modify region 2. You should use an external flasher for both X220 and X230.

StinkPad lost.
ZBook won.

>>107082352 (OP)
ThinkStation PGX.

bumo

Does anyone know how to use instabrute to find instagram accounts passwords

>>107096620
>>107097364
I'll try that now. Damn Lenovo website has videos for removing the back cover and for all kinds of stuff, impressive.

>>107101375
Fuck. Previous owner has fucked up the screws so it's difficult to get them off. Fuck.

>>107101399
Finally managed to pry it open.

>>107098721
Thank you. I'll weigh these options.

>>107101474
It works with the battery disconnected!

>>107101520
Took out the battery and reassembled the thing, this thing is over 10 years old I think and it's brittle. Like the little screws and their bushings are almost breaking apart and the plastic case has dents now that I had to pry it open...

>>107097858
I sold X270 on LTSC IoT 11

>>107101595
That's just how they make the E models. I had one with the same case and it barely survived a year of daily carrying. Never buying one again, no matter how many SSD slots it tempts me with.

>>107101672
Mine's survived well but it's been mostly sitting at home. But it's disappointing that one single careful opening of the case fucked it up already so badly. Anyways, I thought it works but now that I booted into linux and let it sit there on desktop for a while the fucking display started blinking on/off. Fuck this I can't rely on this shit, it has been reliable for over 10 years but I guess its life is over now. I was hoping to use it as my work laptop for my new company but nope.

>>107101672
>That's just how they make the E models.
They improved on the Gen 6, right?

>>107101699
To add to this: I can't fucking believe how shitty nowadays laptop options are. Like this over 10 year old thing had 16GB of RAM and basically my new laptop would have 16GB too if I pay the same amount (~900€) today. And core i5. Fucking trash what the fuck is this shit, everything's so expensive.

>>107101520
Nice. I know it's dodgy and cumbersome, but with it powered on by the AC adapter, flip it over and plug the battery back in. See if it starts charging. If you're lucky it will. I just saved one last month like this.

I have an Intel T14 Gen 3 coming in the mail in the next few days. I got it for like $300 and some change. How bad really are the Intel 12th gen chips? I have seen lots of people saying they were shit but back when they were new benchmarks showed they were on par with AMD in efficiency in the 10 to 25w TDP range and only got beaten on ULP (under 10w) or higher loads (above 28 or so watts). Who's to be believed? Reddit users or jewish benchmarks?

>>107102077
I'll try that later. I had to just go buy new one off the shelf for work because I don't dare to rely on this thing.

>>107102369
Good idea. Lithium battery with <80% capacity left is officially recognized as broken btw

>>107102379
Not because of the battery, if you read my posts above you'll see it has other issues. Screen not working. I would be using it for work if the thing would work but nope.

>>107089440
just by the looks of it ai can tell that mouse is uncomfortable as fuck

>>107092638
I have the same model, they're quite decent for what they are.. I just use mine for study and web browsing.. They're nice and small for portability, I'm always taking mine to my local coffee cafe

>>107102406
Does the whole thing freeze up when the screen blinks on/off (requiring hard reboot)?

>>107082352 (OP)
Current cheapest brand new thinkpad, with either intel or amd memory encryption and thunderbolt?

used T495 is cheapest for memory encryption but no thunderbolt, early T14 gens are horrible

>>107082352 (OP)
I found my endgame laptop
https://connect.na.panasonic.com/lets-note/commercial-laptops/lets-note-fv4

>>107106289
Bro that's a laptop for blacks. You're not trying to do cultural appropriation in 2025 are you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJGhdzdmENg

>>107106611
It's a jap lap

legion mogs thinkpad

>>107108542
I do appreciate the lighter weight on the latest stinkpad.

Any advantages to choosing coreboot over libreboot (or vice versa) to flash on a x230? Do they perform differently?

Is there a cheap external GPU or something I can add to a 2013 ThinkPad to make it usable as a home theater?
As it is now it can barely drive a second 1080p display and doesn't support hardware decoding for recent codecs

When my Gen 11 Carbon is on battery, I find that screen brightness seems to automatically change based on what's on the screen. If I scroll around in a page, I find that depending on the density of various colors things get brighter or darker. I've already checked whichever settings are obvious, but nothing seems to turn this off.

>>107109054
libreboot is a fork of coreboot and in the current year they're basically the same. just use coreboot

>>107082352 (OP)
I don't know much about thinkpads. Are these okay for roblox?

>>107109659
You have to be 18 to post here.

>>107109291
bump cause wanna know aswell

>>107109291
I know its not the answer you want but it would be cheaper to get a single-board computer with an soc like the rk3588S2, or even just an old used desktop. external gpus are never worth the time and money and hassle

QUICK QUESTION, /TPG/
T470 with GPU or T480 with NO GPU?

>>107110763
What do you need a GPU for? Laptop GPUs from that era kill *nix battery life even when idle, but maybe you have a use case.

>>107110763
usecase ?

>>107110994
>>107111121
Gaming? (Potentially).
I'm not saying I bought because they are gaming laptops. I just want to know which one is better for gaming?

ok dawgs, I bought a Thinkpad E14 Gen 6 AMD from a 'reseller'
it was cheaper than what Lenovo sells the model in my country, but it came without the original box
I checked and the laptop is trully new, battery was never used, etc.
BUT it seems that they changed the default 2242 SSD with TLC Opal for a CT1000P3PSSD8 (2280 without Opal)
it seems that the Crucial is faster than the 2242 that cames with the laptop by default, but it doesn't have Opal
should I be worried? should I just gave up and send this back?
been running the laptop for a week and some days and everything seems to be ok

Found E16 Gen 1 with i7-13700H for just over $500, is it good? CPU is good but E series are shit, aren't they? Also has a pretty unnerving crack near the hinge.

>>107111148
>Gaming
>on those pieces of shit
ROFL

possible to clean under these switches or do I just ignore it?

>>107110165
That's a fair answer, thank you. I'll look into that board.
What's the cheapest GPU that I can put on an old desktop that has modern codec support? Intel Arc something?

How can I figure out the output impedance of the headphone port on my Thinkpad

>>107089440
Kahan se liya, bhai, online ya offline store?

>>107111148
if you are gaming, get the T470

>>107111148
>Gaming? (Potentially).
Buy a Switch.

E14 g5 for $500
need it or keep it? seems like best offer and I mostlycare about ryzen PRO security features

I wanted T series but they are overpriced
BTW anyone know security features of the arm thinkpads? Any bios walkthrough etc?

>>107111148
lenovo legion go

Did i do good bros.... got T410s for 40 dollars

Last 16:10 thinkpad and it's got an i series cpu so should be useable.
I know people usually like the non s series but the weight reduction is definitely nice (1.8kg rather than 2.3 kg).

>>107116786
E and L series should be counted as off topic desu

>>107105779
AMD doesn't have thunderbolt

There's no Computrace option in the security tab on my X230. It can't be that it just didn't have it installed, right? I've read that all ThinkPads post-2007 or so have the niggerlicious spyware installed onto it. I don't know if it's actually the case that it just never had it installed, or if the previous owner had the right mind to disable it permanently, and thus why it doesn't show up. Wouldn't there still be an option for it in the latter case?

Worst case scenario, since I haven't installed any version of Windows to it, it hasn't properly phoned home yet, and thus hasn't properly activated. If I were to install Windows to it, it's quite possible that I'll end up inadvertently activating it.

I'll install Win10 and check for any processes indicative of Computrace glowing in the background.

I just bought a decent SSD for my T480 but I'm reconsidering if it's even worth it at this point, instead selling it and buying an AMD T14 Gen5.

>>107118832
Interdasting, I was able to look through the settings of 4 other X230s I had access to, and found that only 1 of them did not have the Computrace setting at all, but the remaining 3 did. I promptly permanently disabled Computrace on them, but the options for it was still available, just that I was unable to re-enable it. Curious.

Does anyone have an idea hwat's the deal with the 2 that don't have the option at all?

>new thinkpad
cringe
>old thinkpad
based

simple as

>>107119057
What is the threshold for old?

I read that some thinkpads have nvidia gpus on them. I do game but mostly work with architecture programs and have to move around. I also want something durable. My current laptop (Nitro 5, 2019 model) has a widespread issue with the hinges and now after 5 years I'm finally seeing it. I'm looking to spend around 500-1000 USD. Don't mind buying used and repasting etc etc

>>107119487
P14s Gen 5/6 Intel model has GPU in it but its equivalent GPU is a GTX 1070.
Quite weak and expensive. And you sacrifice the easily replaceable keyboard feature on the normal T14

>>107119091
20y

>>107118832
For me you'll see a notice computrace is activated after booting to BIOS. It goes away if it's deactivated.

Slapped Fedora KDE Plasma on my X220 Tablet and while it's now usable again (except for the dead battery), I'd much prefer more than 1366x768 pixels on my screen. A 14" 1080p screen would probably be much more comfortable.
What's the sweet spot on the used market (yurop) in terms of bang for buck nowadays?

>>107082352 (OP)
What is the newest/fastest thinkpad that can have coreboot enabled to get rid of intel glownigger engine? I'm willing to mod the shit out of it. I was thinking of getting a 530, upgrading the CPU and adding an eGPU but I figure it's worth asking here because surely some autist knows better than me.
>Sent from my x1 extreme
>>107113621
...Couldn't you just get a multimeter and measure it?

looking for a thinkpad for browsing, and at the most running Packet Tracer.
cheapest ones I can find in decent condition seem to be X1 Carbons and X280
kinda old but seems sufficient?
https://www.sofmap.com/product_detail.aspx?sku=413887010

bumo

>>107121536
Okay if you can fit in 8 GB. Both have fully soldered memory.

Is Thinkpad T495s Ryzen 7 3700u 16gb for 315$ a good deal?

are let's notes worth it?

>>107124403
Should cost under 250

>Get a new thinkpad
>Each startup has chance of display not working until hard reboot
great.

>>107116786
L series are ok
E series are just regular laptops disguised to look like thinkpads

>>107102291
from what I have seen they are about the same as the ryzen parts under 15w, though they all lose in multicore

>>107082352 (OP)
I've asked once before but I'm asking one more time before I buy anything.

Can anyone recommend a good battery for a T430? I've been using off-brand batteries for a while and they never live up to the capacity they should be. My 9 cell is only 48Wh now and even when it was new it was below 80 when it should have been 94Wh.

Is there any specific brand that'll actually give me 4+ hours of battery life on a T430 instead of like 1-2 hours?

>>107120486
What are you going to run on it? if you're a masochist and using Windows 11 home for some reason
>Shift+F10 into command prompt
>reg add HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v HideOnlineAccountScreens /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
>restart
Now you won't have to make a Scamsoft account.

>>107110763
>>107111148
P73

>>107119057
>hardware uses more electricity to work slower
I don't care what you think is cringe desu

>>107125181
It is L time, E one doesn't have ryzen pro for some reason I thought it did, really just a spy.

>>107117688
What am I going to regret with L series?

don't have much experience with newer L series, but 2012-2017 L series are pretty underrated. L440 is better than T440 and pretty much just a bulkier T440p. Had L460 before and it felt just as solid as T460, got better build quality than my T14 G2.

>>107082352 (OP)
i had one of these things https://www.amazon.com/dp/B087772M7L for five years. got unlucky with some ESD today and i think it's bought the farm, the right hinge was toast anyway so i'm not too sad, it wasn't my main machine and it'd suck if the files were gone but i'd live.

i'm thinking i'd like to replace it with a thinkpad, though i'm open to any other suggestions. the swift 3 was literally perfect for what i was using it for, the only thing that sucked was it didn't have much disk space. thoughts?

How is the X1C Gen 9 screen? Should I just buy something else if I care about display quality? Intel CPU is also a turnoff but I like the build.

I know a couple people with P-series laptops from the past five years and I'd like to get a used one for myself. Should I look into any other brands or just grab whatever P-series that fits my needs and budget?

How fast and good can I make a stock T480? Only really do web browsing, light photo editing, and reading/writing.

What are my best options for a refurbished X-series? I need something on the smaller side.

>>107082352 (OP)
hello /tpg/ whats a decent "successor" to the T480? dont care if its bigger or heavier, ideally swappable RAM, SSD, etc
something under $300 used.

untouched for 5 years.

i talk to the wind

Have L380. How do I attach multiple monitors?
Looking at specs: Intel UHD Graphics 620 in processor; supports external digital monitor via HDMI or USB Type-C; supports three independent displays;.
It has 2xUSB-C and 1xminiHDMI ports. How do I drive two external monitors with it? Monitors have standard dvi ports.

>>107130644
For example this thing, what are those hdmi/dp ports, are they driven by internal laptop gpu or have their own display chip like displaylink/virtual gpu?

>>107130054
For that much, T14 G1 AMD. Battery life is worse than on a base T480 but you get twice the threaded performance in the same TDP and still keep some basic modularity like RAM (1 slot), wifi and two SSDs.

>>107130688
I haven't used a no-name dock like this but the ones from Lenovo and Dell use a native DP connection to the laptop's GPU if possible (and newer ones don't have DisplayLink at all)

>>107130002
whats the use case ? If you just need something to take to class or outside, look for an older gen X13 or X1.. if X13 pref a ryzen model..
If you just want something to tinker with and have as a project, try to find an X220 or X230..

u niggas still in college?

>>107131737
sure

>>107130002
X1 Nano can be found for pretty cheap these days.

>>107131737
Alleged graduate still using the n-word despite being a cracker? You must be 12

>>107133478
That's old for a cat

>>107133573
Look at that wide nose. His grandpa was probably a black (cat).

Please stop me from buying a P1 Gen 7

>>107133761
The power jack looks like the old replaceable ones but it's soldered. No option for physical mouse buttons. VRAM limited to 8 GB. Soldered WLAN. No more full sized keyboard. Bezels so thin you can barely open and close it without touching the screen.

But if you need one, you need one.

emergency thinkbumo

>>107119091
that will all depend on what the opposite coomer has/is planning on finally upgrading to. This is a circlejerk anon, everyone over here is debating over a price difference of under a thousand dollars, which is nothing desu in the grand scheme of everything

why should I get an old piece of shit laptop over an M1 macbook?

>>107136210
why do you suck dicks instead of chasing after pussy?

>>107136221
no x220 owner fucks bitches

>>107136210
Do it only if you are poor.

The only reason this general is even still a thing is because x200/x220 was such a phenomenal computer that you could get it cheaply 10-12 years ago and you could have used it for that entire decade without a problem. This had such a cultural impact that people still think fondly of thinkpads but in truth they've been soldered shit for almost a decade now with marginally better build quality. They are still way better than latitudes for example.

Macbooks on the other hand shit all over pretty much any other laptop due to how much better the M series chips are and apple's build quality in new macbooks is way better. It's just a better fucking computer over all and the OS isn't bad if you can get by with a locked down Unix-like operating system.

The only reason I own a thinkpad is that I *MUST* run linux on my laptop, otherwise I would just use a macbook (I actually own one, and it is great.)

I'm about to get T400 for older Windows shit. What are my display options? Is IPS possible?

>>107136258
doesnt macos have a WSL type thing now? i understand that people saying "just setup a GNU/Darwin system" are retarded and that never actually works as youd expect, but at least on windows wsl is perfect, it works exactly the way you want

Can I upgrade my x230's wireless card, I'm having problems with my new router, but I don't feel like making any mods...

>>107136210
money
/tpg/ has a lot of indian lurkers and I will encourage them to reduce e-waste.

>>107137449
Yeah you can, but you would need to replace the BIOS with something like Libreboot. On an X230 you can internally flash it so you don't need any additional tools.
Intel AX210 and BE200 are good cards, you can find them for cheap on AliExpress. Make sure to get a Mini PCIe version and not a M.2 one. People say that you need to tape over one of the pins for the Bluetooth to work but I didn't do that and it works fine.

>>107136258
I agree with your statements about the X200. Also include the X201 here, because the additional speed from the core i series was great. X220 was already a step down though, because the keyboard felt worse and of course the 16:9 ratio was a step down. Also the overall design was less of a clamshell, so it really felt worse compared to the X200/201.

And here comes the kicker
>They are still way better than latitudes for example.
This is not true IMO. Some modern TPs may have "better" quality compared to other laptops. But absolutely most are shit. Cheap plastic with lots of defective hardware (trackpoint/mouse buttons double clicking, keyboards with the infamous sync issue given you the 44444444444 of insanity). They removed absolutely all features that made TPs good. Battery? Glued in. Chassis? Plastic. Waterspill? You wish.
>I *MUST* run linux on my laptop
I was severly fucked by lenovo when I got a Ryzen TP. This was "certified" for linux. CPU is great, even five years later. Everything else is a joke. This thing does not play well with linux. Battery drains in HOURS when the thing is in STANDBY. Yes, you read that right. This is a known issue they have never even just attempted to fix. Then there is the trackpad/trackpoint issue: This is not running at the full refresh speed you get on windows, because they simply never bothered to fix driver issues in the kernel. This has been known right from the beginning and they sold these machines as linux machines.

Fuck lenovo.

>>107137516
Thanks for answering, I actually have one of those but it's the M.2, I'm ordering the pcie version right now.

>>107082352 (OP)
>>Excellent Linux & *BSD support
this is a lie, lenovo doesn't offer linux preinstalled (unlike hp or dell), and thinkpads are the only laptops i've used where linux didn't work perfectly ootb (save for some shitty 2-in-1 tablet where i couldn't get auto screen rotation to work). plus disabling the trackpad in the bios doesn't even disable it in linux, it just sets a flag to disable it in windows, it's clear that lenovo doesn't give a shit about linux, and when i got my thinkpad sent in for warranty repair they told me to reinstall windows (i just ignored them though, still got it fixed)
just because linux can run on it doesn't mean that it's a point in favor of thinkpads, literally every laptop can run linux

>>107138314
In the last 20 years, every Linux distro I've tried has worked perfectly ootb on the dozens of ThinkPads I've used.

>>107139096
Really? I've had to install the synaptics driver to get the trackpoint to work smoothly on every modern thinkpad I've used

I can't decide on 14" vs 16" for something I want to use for blender, writing, coursework, sitting at the library working and drawing using the laptop for reference material. It'll be carried in my backpack while I bike around and travel.
I don't have a laptop so I don't really have any frame of reference

>>107139501
14" is a nice size, 16" is too inconvenient to bring with you

What should I check before buying a used thinkpad?

>>107139501
>>107139562
Don't focus overmuch on screen dimensions, look at the physical dimensions. A cheaper/older 14" with fat screen bezels may be near the same size as a modern/flagship 16" with a 16:10 aspect ratio and skinny bezels. Just saying.

>>107083945
Look for a T1G or an X1 with the GPU you want if you want a sleeper gaymen laptop. Thing is those models retain a lot of their value on the used market, and they're much more expensive than most poorly built gaymen laptops new.

>>107139096
In the last 20 years, every linux distro I tried worked perfectly ootb on dozens of laptops - except for modern thinkpads where this did not. Not because of general issues with linux, but because of known hardware defects they work around on windows!

>>107140494
cite at least 5 well known examples.
seems like skill issue desu.

>>107140590
Eventhough I do not have to prove anything to you, you fucker, the proof is >>107137734. That's lots of issues for you to read upon, then find the related posts in the lenovo forum. Why did you not ask >>107139096 for any proof? Are you a fanboy by any chance? Of all people, those who are really into what made the old thinkpads great should to my understanding be the least suspectible, because people who are smart enough the see the value in things should also see when companies try to fuck them over.

Do not defend lenovo. Don't be a stupid fanboy eating shit.

emergency thinkbumo

I really hate vendors having "configurations" when releasing a single laptop model.
Why not just a single spec for every model? Why do you have to guilt trip people for, say, buying i5 when there is an i7 in the same model?
I fucking hate you.

>>107139677
If you can touch the laptop physically, you should check the keyboard keys. The screen whether it is yellowish or not. The speaker's sound quality. The hinges' sturdiness. Battery life. SSD life expextancy. Bios password unlock.

>>107140632
>buys modern junk laptops
>gets mad when junk fucking sucks
kek

>>107143319
If it's from 2020 or earlier you can most likely unlock it without special tools
>2010-2013
short SDA and SCL of "security" flash with each other while entering setup (after pressing F1)
>2013-2020
short any LPC data line to ground, the exact time to do this is different between models (can be before logo, during logo before keypress, or after keypress), takes a lot of trial and error

In both cases, once you enter setup, reset the password with all three fields blank, then power it off *without* pressing F10 to save changes.

>>107137469
>>107136210

Yup the jeets stalk this board like vultures, can't blame them they've got less budget and they have a larger 2nd hand laptop market, thinkpads are ideal for anyone struggling financially, where as here why wouldn't someone just hussle a few extra hours for a month and put on extra money to get a newer laptop/thinkpad/macbook/laptop+pc.

>>107139096
kek why do you "people" lie like this?

Should I get a T480 8GB i5 or a T14 gen 1 i5 16gb?
They also have an i7 t14 gen 1 16gb.

Price $249CAD T480 8gb
Price $399CAD T14 i5 16gb

I would want to upgrade the ram on the T480 to 16gb if I were to get that one.
Thoughts?

>>107146235
price seems kinda high for a gen 1 T14

Why am I uncomfortable using T series?
A lot of sold pads on my areas are Ts and I feel terrible that I don't like using them when X exists.

What is the 2025 thinkpad version of a t540p?

I had one a long while back and I want a more modern version. Is there one with a discrete gpu?

>>107147949
I'm partial to the X series too. T's are too big. Forget P's. There's a trend in /tpg/ for 15" or bigger that I don't understand. Tastes change, there's fewer people with secondary desktops for heavier work, people are more mobile, shittier cooling unless you buy big, more discrete GPU options to be disappointed with, that I get if that's your situation. But small and light portable terminal that isn't a complete dinosaur and has decent battery life is always what I've wanted in a laptop.

People keep saying that the T series has better build quality than the L and E series.
Is this still the case for recent Thinkpads(2023 - 2025)?
What does the T series chassis have that the L and E series lacks?
Looking at the psref they are all made from aluminum now.
For example I don't see anything special in the T14 Gen 6 chassis on the hardware maintenance manual.
I watched reviews of recent L and E series and they don't really have much flex either like the T series.
Is the designation just purely marketing now?

>>107150069
All T series has left is replaceable keyboard. I personally think that is worth paying extra 300 bucks for

>>107150069
The hinges on the E14/15 are shit, and you need a ratchet and a 5.5mm socket to loosen them, as they're way too tight from the factory and they will break. You want the screen to want to shut itself about 3 inches before it closes, but still hold itself up above that. The plastic of the chassis isn't quite as strong as the T and L series, which exacerbates the problem.
>t. typed on an E15 Gen 4
Reason I bought it was for the full sized keyboard.

>>107150069
>Looking at the psref they are all made from aluminum now.
Only the top cover is aluminum. L-series is all plastic apart from that while T-series has a magnesium frame between the keyboard and motherboard.
>>107150195
L-series has replaceable keyboards too, the same parts as T-series in fact.

In general both series feel cheaper today than in 2020-2021, let alone pre-2017. Especially the flex in the keyboard around the trackpoint is irritating, though it's easy to work around by putting some carefully cut bits of paper around the underside of the trackpoint module.

question about the "soft touch" finish around the palm rest. how does it hold up after say 3 years?

>>107150490
IME it starts to noticeably degrade after 7-8 years
>T14 G1 (2020)
still as good as new
>X270 (2017)
first signs of stickiness around the edges
>T550 (2015)
rubbery everywhere but not repulsively so
>T510 (2010)
get that thing away from me

>>107113000
Canned air or air compressor, hose, and nozzle. What is that piece?

>>107133478
The initial user base of 4chan is between 30 and 40 years old nyyiiigguh, nigger.

>>107082352 (OP)
IBM sold to a Chinese Company, spoke with an "Authorized Repair Center" Technician who said they were given instructions to tell people to replace Motherboard, which they don't make anymore, therefore forced upgrades.

Support Framework Computing or get a fuckin Alienware.

anyone else here wear gloves while using their laptop?

>>107150558
Looks like the bottom of a keyboard

>>107150612
>Framework
The same company that puts soldered RAM in a desktop, a goddamn DESKTOP, and gushes about how repairable it is?

>>107150720
I mean, having a modular laptop would be pretty cool if you didn't have to replace the whole motherboard to upgrade your CPU. MFF pcs and AIO pcs are laptop hardware either in a tiny case or built into a monitor and many of them have socketed CPUs. Surely it wouldn't be hard for them to have socketed CPUs, and to support CPU upgrades with bios updates as to keep with the "desktop freedom in a laptop" ethos. I'd still be tempted to buy one if they sold a trackpad with buttons.

>>107088867
I understand you saying that but also that technology keeps moving forward. Newer models indeed have lower upgradability for goycattle reasons but they are still good hardware and goycattles still buy that.
My advice is stop being elitist. The Thinkpad brand is still considered more premium than the others (also due to the cults surrounding it) and I think if we are forced to buy a newer models these days we'd still choose Thinkpad in the end. It's fine. They are still good laptops designwise. even if not as they used to be.

>>107150612
I would if we got more options. Different keyboards, screens and chassis would really let you build something perfect for your use case or transform your existing one.

>>107150678
I used to, due to severe key-smudging autism bc my hands get naturally sweaty (Im not even fucking fat at all). So I bought these coin-collector gloves made of very thin cotton to post in.

But now I have an X13 that has these rough plastic keys that don't smudge a lot so I stopped doing it

>>107151127
>My advice is stop being elitist. The Thinkpad brand is still considered more premium than the others (also due to the cults surrounding it) and I think if we are forced to buy a newer models these days we'd still choose Thinkpad in the end. It's fine. They are still good laptops designwise. even if not as they used to be.

That's why I recently bought a new X13. My job forces me to use Latitudes and dear fucking god they are shit in comparison with constant heat issues, I rode 4 of these things to death in my current job already. I have never had a thinkpad fail on me, and I've been using second-hand ones extensively over the years

>>107150612
Not available in my country.
Also outside of swappable ports gimmick, they don't offer anything new.
Selling parts is already a standard feature on business laptop.

>>107151330
https://youtu.be/KAzXypM5qPc

We all know Lenovo put in a bios level backdoor also, supporting Framework now just on principle and will continue recommending to our clients.

>>107151737
Framework is using proprietary BIOS too.

>>107151737
you can coreboot older thinkpads

>>107151785
>>107151810
Yea least it's not Chicom tofu dreg, the days of "Good ole Thinkpad" are gone.

Might as well give your Sheckles to Apple..

Has anyone here put a skin on their thinkpad?
Looking for some ideas to give my thinkpad a bit of personality - it's hard to find skin designs that look good on an all-black laptop though.
I'm trying to avoid looking like an office drone when getting out my thinkpad in public.

>>107152953
>I'm trying to avoid looking like an office drone when getting out my thinkpad in public.
The tried and true decorating method that even normies do on their laptop.
sticker bombing

>>107152953
I've used a car vinyl sticker on my laptop

>>107152953
>I'm trying to avoid looking like an office drone when getting out my thinkpad in public.
Why would you not want to look like one?

>>107152953
never understood the whole skin thing but each to their own I guess.. I like people knowing I use a thinkpad whenever I am out. Cringe I know

>>107153038
Tau'ri pride, system-wide.

We're going to gas the Goa'uld for real this time.