Thread 107085490

Why aren't you using zen browser?

>no google
>not troonfox
>supports ublock
>no telemetry
>no installed studies spyware
>available in flatpak on all distros
>sync tabs/bookmarks/addons via mozilla account on your phone
>fast
>elegant
>maximized screen space with reveal-on-hover

https://flathub.org/en/apps/app.zen_browser.zen

>>107085490 (OP)
Not interested in flatpak

>>107085490 (OP)
>>no google
>google
>>not troonfox
>gecko
>>no telemetry
just like another gecko-based browser.
>>no installed studies spyware
just like another gecko-based browser.
>>available in flatpak on all distros
just like another gecko-based browser.
>>sync tabs/bookmarks/addons via mozilla account on your phone
why would you include this as a plus.
>>fast
just like another gecko-based browser.
>>elegant
homosexual.
>>maximized screen space with reveal-on-hover
1. this is retarded. just use a keybind.
2. you can easily accomplish this on any gecko-based browser.

>>107085490 (OP)
If I wanted to use a Firetranny fork, I'd use LibreWolf. Not this.

>>107085490 (OP)
>not firefox
>connects to firefox
it's firefox

>Why aren't you using zen browser?
I don't know, how many glowies and copyniggers does it notify by default?

>>107085534
why are you so angry? what do you recommend then? it sounds like you're recommending a gecko based browser... this is one.

Because its just firefox with a fancy skin and some privacy changes. Firefox is a bloated mess.

>>107085490 (OP)
why are you not using ungoogled chromium?
>not troonfox
>supports adblock
>no telemetry
> No spyware

Does everything zen does but better and performs better.

>>107086035
>why are you not using ungoogled chromium?
i'm straight

>>107085534
macfags do not understand how to maximize windows

>>107085490 (OP)
deserves cred for putting everything in the sidebar instead of having a gender identity crisis and having both side and top bar

How is Helium

>>107086135
fine but unpolished

>>107085534
W-well yeah but
But ...like... Vertical tabs o algo...
>inb4 you can do that in any other fork
Sh....

>>107086035
Hah, kinda looks like the Void Linux logo now. Last time I used it the logo was still blue

>>107086100
I hate it. I want the URL bar in a top bar, always visible. And might as well throw some buttons left and right to optimise the available space.
Now tabs yeah, I like 'em vertical, but not like this. I wanna see the favicons when I'm not hovering over them.
So what I'm saying is that Zen is retarded and can't beat Tree Style Tab with a few CSS rules.

Trying this thing out now. Not too bad. With vimium and dark reader its pretty decent. I don't really care about features.
>>107085825
>If I wanted to use a Firetranny fork, I'd use LibreWolf. Not this.
Why does LibreWolf delete like everything every time you close it? It's nice that its got privacy or whatever, but zero password and history saving kinda sucks.

>>107086238
>I want the URL bar in a top bar, always visible.
why. you don't need it to be visible at all times. if there was a way to hide the url bar without going fullscreen in firefox i would

>>107085490 (OP)
That UI is ugly and wastes a ton of space. The URL bar isn't even large enough to see the whole thing. Where do extension icons go?

>>107086260
>every time you close it
NTA but you can...just disable it... In settings as usual
I enjoy the little fag cleaning itself but I get some users would like it to behave like normal FF

doesnt work well with vimium and i dont like vertical tabs

>>107086260
>Why does LibreWolf delete like everything every time you close it?
Surely you can disable this.
>>107086264
>why. you don't need it to be visible at all times.
Yes I do, actually. I like to know exactly where I am and when websites are trying to track me using garbage queries/fragments.
I also often edit URLs on the fly to change language and such.

>>107086333
>I also often edit URLs on the fly to change language and such.
and why would having it in the sidebar hinder you?

>>107086333
You can press Ctrl + l and it brings up a little url editing thing

Because I don't want a sidebar.

>>107086374
Meant for >>107086347

>>107086374
but you have a sidebar

>>107086333
>Surely you can disable this.
>>107086320
>NTA but you can...just disable it... In settings as usual
I swear its actually not possible. They have a "History" settings but enabling it doesn't do anything. It doesn't even auto complete 4chan nevermind saving passwords and login cookies.

>>107086417
And where would you put an always-visible URL bar in this 48px wide sidebar, pray tell?

>>107086438
reveal on hover, like already mentioned

>>107086443
>always-visible
>reveal on hover
>always-visible

>>107086455
i want my tab titles to always be visible. what are you gonna do about that?

>>107086469
Nothing because you should be free to do whatever the fuck you want with your browser?

>>107086476
wow congrats for thinking figuring that out. now stop whining

>>107086487
You were the one who started bitching about my usecase but ok.

>>107086434
Seems to be working fine for me (v141) but it wouldn't be the first time they break the save current settings thing. Deleting everything is the default behavior AFAIK but you *should* be able to deactivate that and save everything in your browser, for example I do save my cookies here so glowies can track me easier
Not like I can know if this is exactly the case but it also happened with other FF forks I tried, weirdly enough. So not sure if it's just LibreWolf devs being incompetent again or just generic forks annoying issues

>>107086494
you're the absolute mongoloid retard who started whining about a feature that doesn't exist in literally any other browser. why does it bother you so much that 1 out of a hundred browsers does one thing slightly different from how you prefer it? your browser still works the way it should

>>107085490 (OP)
82 connections on launch.
Source: https://sizeof.cat/post/web-browser-telemetry-2025-edition/

What do you guys use for browsers? What do you recommend? I actually hate Google and Chrome. It's such bloated trash and them disabling the ublock stuff was the last straw, but I haven't found anything worth switching too. Vanilla Firefox isn't much better.

>>107086514
lol what the actual fuck? that seems pretty horrible and damning. are they straight up just lying?

>>107086518
>What do you guys use for browsers?
Ungoogled Chromium
>What do you recommend?
Ungoogled Chromium
I will be switching to Ladybird as soon as it's suitable for general browsing.

>>107086514
I'm pretty sure the common argument is the same librewolf uses:
>bro just ignore it its not telemetry those are non intrusive connections trust

>>107086514
holy killshot lmao

>>107086514
Learn how to make a graph holy fucking shit

>>107086511
I'm sorry anon, I didn't realise you were married to Zen. I wish you two well!

>>107085490 (OP)
I'm not interested in downstream browsers

>>107086562
i said
>It's cool that this browser does something different for once
you said
>no i hate it it should cater to my very specific autistic needs!!! why would you need more options, only my use case matters!!!!

you are the retard here

>>107086514
ok so i should switch to mac?

>>107085490 (OP)
Librewolf does everything I need.

>>107085490 (OP)
it STILL leaks memory and it breaks every other update, so I gave up. maybe it'll be better by a "stable" release. maybe in a smarter timeline they'll build it on top of Chromium.

>>107086035
just use regular Chromium.

>>107085490 (OP)
Because my troonfox works just fine

>>107085825
>would rather use actual troonware
no thanks, bud

>>107086602
orion said they were coming to linux soonTM. i use it on my phone and it's great

>>107086736
Bloated

>>107086835
would love a webkit based browser with privacy based defaults on linux

probably the only browser, id switch to other than maybe ladybird if its ever in a usable state.

>>107086901
there's a mailing list you can join for their linux updates https://kagi.com/orion/

>>107086876
Ungoogled doesn't do anything special in that regard

Bloated and leaks memory, just use Firefox with the betterfox user JS kek.

>>107086973
It removes the half cooked features meant for chrome and adds some privacy settings. Marginal difference but it fits my usecase

>>107085490 (OP)
>not troonfox
kek. It is literally Firefox with some rip-off Arc theme.

>>107086035
no vertical tabs

>ungoogled chromium
but how do you install dark reader on this shit? do you guys just exist in a world of light mode? that sounds awful!

>>107085490 (OP)
No real use case. Firefox does all of that and better.

Because it is less functional than firefox. I don't care about your jewish culture war bullshit, I care about functionality.
If you can't provide more functionality than firefox why would I switch?

>>107087573

install from chrome web store,
https://github.com/NeverDecaf/chromium-web-store

>>107085490 (OP)
I do use Zen, it's been great. It's my favorite browser for using vertical tabs.

>>107086308
The UI is very customizable, you don't even need to fuck around with a custom .css

Has anyone tried the mullvad browser?

>>107088283
>can't do tree tabs
worthless

>>107086985
Just use BetterZen
https://github.com/yokoffing/Betterfox/blob/main/zen/user.js

silly anon
zen browser is a fork of trannyfox

I'm.

because im a 16:9 poorfag

>>107089284
Now do that on Linux

>>107086035
ungoogled-chromium looks like that now? Kind of a silly logo not gonna lie

>>107089315
I already use linux. It is my favorite windows app.

>>107085490 (OP)
>No Firefox
>Mozilla account
Hmm. Something doesn't add up

>>107085490 (OP)
It does not have the frosted glass effect in Linux. Also I like horizontal tabs.

>>107085490 (OP)
IT LOOKS GAY AND RETARDED IM NOT USING THAT

>>107086514
Vivaldi pwning Brave is funny as fuck. Vivaldi pwning everyone actually. I'd love to use ungoogled but that shit doesnt work with netflix.

>>107089761
>It does not have the frosted glass effect in Linux.
It does

I have been for a while now. Switched over from Vivaldi because Chrome was shitting itself on YouTube.
I like it but there are still a few subtle differences that I liked in Vivaldi but in using Zen's dev builds their updates have been satisfying some of those.
I'm cautious of Mozilla, but a third party fork on their engine is acceptable for now.

>>107086824
FYI I think ctrl+shift+c toggles compact mode by default.
I also set zen.theme.content-element-separation to 0 so that the border margins go away in fullscreen.

>>107090004
No, ctrl+shift+c copies the URL

Thanks for the other setting, It looks so much better now.

>>107090034
oops I meant ctrl+alt+c
At least I don't remember resetting it. But you can configure it in the hotkey settings if it's not that.

it's still kinda janky
dev will probably lose interest in a year or two

>>107090044
trvkeclear impact

>>107090044
>it's still kinda janky
Yeah. Decent pace imo. It's a little frustrating on Dev when fixed bugs regress, happens enough for me to notice but they seem to be working things out over time which is nice.

>dev will probably lose interest in a year or two
Likely but I hope not.
I'm hoping Andreas' project Ladybird has some impact of the browser ecosystem.
I'd love real competition in the browser space. Maybe some funding and developers. But just a hope.
Would be nice to see users and developers actually giving a shit about browsers again instead of everyone being content with Chrome and sometimes Gecko.

>>not troonfox
>>sync tabs/bookmarks/addons via mozilla account on your phone

>>107085490 (OP)
I like pinned tabs

>>107085490 (OP)
I gave it a go but video player on (some sites) lagged or played without a sound so I returned to Firefox. I liked it visually.

>>107086035
That's the Pokémon logo. They will get in trouble.

I use it. It's buggy as fuck.

>>107086089
works the same like in every other OS too, just double click the title bar

>>107085490 (OP)
I have it as second browser to use on my vertical monitor. Tabs on the right on hover. Very nice that it doesn't steal any precious screen space

Most all ff forks including librewolf now have built in vertical tabs, the zen browser devs are enormous faggots that stuffed the browser with telemetry for a long while (even claiming it was 100% necessary) until people made enough of a stink about it and removed it with ease, so they were just pretending to be retarded. A lot of the zen mods offer major qol improvements, but break frequently and get abandoned. It isn't any faster than any other fork of FF either.

Its basically just a skin at this point. Thats literally it.

>>107086260
librewolf is opinionated, cancerous trash. stick with arkenfox instead. or just use zen the best firefox fork.

>>107086602
Ironically, yes. Apple isn't a privacy saint, but time and time again the metrics show it is better than most competitions. Maybe they're just more efficient at spying?

>>107085490 (OP)
it wiped my profile, I'm sticking with Librewolf until Ladybird comes out.

>>107094062
lol my zen browser just disappeared on its own, flatpak wasn't under ~/.var/app and the icon wasn't on my launcher. I think it was because I updated flatpaks a few hours ago and I've uninstalled a bunch of fonts I didn't want.

>>107085490 (OP)
i would give it a try if it let me just import everything from firefox, but im not gonna go through the ordeal of doing it manually just so this shit can get abandoned and i have to do it again to go back

>>107088283
>forced vertical tabs
Thanks, but I'll be sticking with a fork that is *actually* highly customizable.

>>107085490 (OP)
Can't stand using a sidebar, and I hated how it forced some rounded border bullshit around the website window.

Also, I hate the frosted/blurry UI style.

>>107085490 (OP)
You shouldn't use browsers in Flatpak, because bubblewrap disables the browser's own per-tab sandbox. Look up how user namespaces work.

>>107086514

what does it mean though? why even use anything but ungoogled chromium?

>>107086260
>vimium
how did you fix the shortcuts for switching tabs going in the opposite direction? i tried switching up the keybinds but it didnt work for me for some reason

>>107085930
>posts question in inflammatory 4chan style
>confused about response in inflammatory 4chan style

go back

>>107085930
compile surf and patch it, and if you can't, then you shouldn't be online

>>107097422
nta here
unmap J
unmap K
map J nextTab
map K previousTab

>>107085490 (OP)
i liked it but for some inexplicable reason its the only browser ive tried since fucking addon bar raped xp browsers where it sometimes runs smoothly and othertimes becomes unusable with half second delays between every action that i make.

>>107089284
>tinker tranny 4chan theme
>kiwi farms
>uol - seu universo online

dead/jeet'd board

>>107085490 (OP)
How is it out of the box? Since it's based on Firefox, would there be a usecase for a "user.js" or any precautionary actions on setting up a profile, about:configs, and/or anything else before using it? Or should I just try it out in a random VM build and see how I like it from there? UI looks like ass to me but I'm always interested in trying out browsers that end up having decent features or pretaining to privacy. Never know when something shits the bed and you need a back up browser for whatever random case comes up. Also I've seen people talk about Floorp more here lately, I've never used that one either. Any better than Zen or should I just not waste any time with any of this shit and keep on with LibreWolf as far as a modern browser goes?

>>107085490 (OP)
>Why aren't you using zen browser?
I will absolutely, 100% not use any browser pushed by thread retards that take on retarded aggressive rhetoric like "why aren't you using X"

You had one chance to make a sale, and you blew it.

>no telemetry
>sync tabs/bookmarks/addons via mozilla account on your phone

their website looks fucking gay

>>107086591
This is a really pathetic way for someone trying to convince other people to use his browser to act.

>>107091791
They added this to FF a couple months ago albeithough (it doesn't look exactly like that tho)

Also you can get some of the aesthetics with this extension https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adaptive-tab-bar-colour/

>>107086035
This

>>107089284
>20% of screen taken up by useless links
>only 3 extensions visible
>can't even see full url
what in troon UI is that

>>107085490 (OP)
such a tiny urlbar would do my head in

>>107085825
this but pale moon

>>107103000
>a tiny urlbar

>>107100297
You don't need any custom tweaks, all the settings are in the menus. Install it on a vm. Enable 'only sidebar' and compact mode. Click the + icon in the sidebar to add folders and drag your tabs into them to save. Though it's better to have them sync to save your tabs to recover them if your computer ever bricks itself or you lose your profile. I think you can just copy the .var/app/zen folder to a backup to be safe, it contains profiles.

>>107091760
>>107100687
>syncing
surely anons dont. I only use firefox forks because it's the easiest to backup and migrate with its about:profiles folders. Was trying to backup my brave without its sync too, and couldn't find a way to migrate everything, session buddy saves history so that's good enough.

>>107085490 (OP)
>no telemetry
>no installed studies spyware
haha NO