Thread 107088681

Congratulations, you were asleep at the wheel. And now one German homosexual is unilaterally nuking the entire Debian project.

What’s the next step in your master plan?

>https://mastodon.social/@juliank/115470753873492053
>https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2025/10/msg00285.html

>>107088681 (OP)
it's not "nuking" any more than systemd was nuking. dogs bark but the caravan moves on

>>107088681 (OP)
He is a Canonical employee and this is simply Ubuntu taking over the upstream. It was always going to happen eventually.

>literal faggot
>twitter
rust is for tranny faggots who should suicide

>>107088681 (OP)
since this retarded homosexual refuses to elaborate on what "unofficial retro computing ports" actually means, this could be trouble for those relying on it to be stable on older systems. because as other anons have pointed out in other threads, apt will probably take a massive performance hit, for no benefit at all.

https://media.defense.gov/2025/Jun/23/2003742198/-1/-1/0/CSI_MEMORY_SAFE_LANGUAGES_REDUCING_VULNERABILITIES_IN_MODERN_SOFTWARE_DEVELOPMENT.PDF

So rust has "memory safety" built in, but the language also has modifiers available to execute memory unsafe code. I'm guessing the idea is that the language prevents issues arising from incompetent devs?

But also competent devs on memory "unsafe" languages can be made and are just fine as memory safe? Am I getting this right?

>>107089234
debian has been dead since systemd.

C was literally made to write unix and it's been used for like 50 years
go make a rust OS instead

>>107089605
>jpg

>>107089567
https://www.debian.org/ports/

>>107089567
nobody on earth is 'relying' on debian for anything

but if these mythical 'older systems' mattered someone would have upgraded them by now

your SPOF is your own fault, and nobody who would put themselves in this position should have access to servers anyone 'relies' on

>>107088681 (OP)
RIP every architecture that isn't arm64 or amd64

>>107089605
>rust has "memory safety" built in, but the language also has modifiers available to execute memory unsafe code
Yes and they use it all the time. Most popular rust packages is pic related (this is tokio)

Rust is a cult, they push it everywhere for "memory safety", when people note that rust is a pain to work with they at best say "you're doing it wrong". Then they use "unsafe" as much as they like themselves.

>>107089639
Zis, let's see how that goes lmao

>>107088681 (OP)
Just keep saying "memory safe" and anyone who doesn't see the point is a lost cause and in the way of progress apparently. I see this a lot in political conversations also.

>>107089567
>this could be trouble for those relying on it to be stable on older systems
those people should make the move to NetBSD. It runs on nearly everything and it feels like a traditional unix which is nice.
I use it on a 32bit PowerPC machine and its wonderful. I do occasionally have to build things from source but that is not really a deal breaker for me.

>>107089679
So what's the point when they takethe guard rails off all the time? If the dev for that makes a mistake with the "unsafe" code it can experience all of the so called downsides of memory unsafe languages?

My understanding is very superficial, but the more I dig, the less sense it makes, the more rust devs I find attempting to articulate what exactly "memory safe" means. In the end safety just comes down to competence and diligence of the programmers themselves no matter the language?

Reading about rust really does give off cult vibes and the constant use of certain phrases and "memory safe", safe this, safe that, are like chants.

>>107089639
Someone did, RedoxOS.
https://redox-os.org/

>>107089567
Rust shouldn't be any slower than C++ at runtime - of all the things people critique rust for performance is usually not one of them. Compile time, binary sizes yes, but not actual performance.
The only thing I can assume he means is that rust uses LLVM and there probably isn't an LLVM target for every single obscure retro computer CPU ever made. Whereas people write C compilers for everything.
I don't see adding Rust to apt as being bad, it might actually improve performance if anything because it allows developers to safely write multithreaded code without fear of race conditions and data corruption.

>>107089724
cuck license

>>107089737
>Files Lines Blanks Comments Lines of Code
>792 173218 22218 54913 96087

As far as Alpine immune from rustranny it’s ok

>>107088681 (OP)
Great, now we're going to need to have another separate distro for systems that Rust doesn't support and probably never will support, unless you want to run Debian without apt entirely, which might actually be the better solution.

>>107089670
netbsd

lol freetards

>>107088681 (OP)
i used debian before systemd and after systemd and never had issues with apt.
why do these homosexuals have to destroy everything?
and why are so many of them supporting cuck licenses?
and why are they working side by side with corporations who want to take everything over and make everyone poor?

can any homosexual explain this?

>>107090072
Corporations put the gay flag in their twitter profiles photos during one month of the year, and now all communists support them.

>>107088681 (OP)
just vibe code your own distro, chud

>>107089737
memory safety in the case of rust means no use-after-free. there are other features that have been added on top of that, but the main thing is that the compiler tracks the lifetime of some objects to detect that specific type of error at compile time. could you do something similar in C/C++? yes, but rust makes it easier. using rust is part of that diligence and competence. programming starts at the conceptual level, when you design your program and then decide the implementation tools, you can't wait until you are writing the actual code to become competent

>>107089661
t.has never worked in a hospital

>>107090523
The MRI technicians from GE say it's normal for Linux to randomly crash and that our MRI server should be regularly rebooted.

Everyone is stupid.

>>107090941
>Everyone is stupid.
We kept having to make weird ducktaped together workarounds to keep the retina imaging machines that felt like they were from the stone ages working.

But hey they still "work" so no need to replace them right.

>>107088681 (OP)
isn't it funny how vocal your average 4chan user is about these things even though none of you wrote a single line of code for the software in question?

Rusties are taking over Python too.

alpine won

>>107091223
uv is actually pretty good though

>>107088681 (OP)
Sounds like go would be a better option for that, APT is horribly slow anyway so 'speed' is not an argument.

I can tell you right now that this individual is for Ukraine, is a tranny, wants a free Palestine but hates Nazis, loves and hate Israel at the same time, blm supporter, Democrat, anti-Trump, on the journalist's side in Gamergate, and now sees rust as the one true language. What else am I missing?
There's got to be some way to exorcise these cultists from positions that can affect so many people against their will.

>>107089737
>My understanding is very superficial, but the more I dig, the less sense it makes
To be fair, you have to have many years of working with modern C++ to understand Rust.

>the more rust devs I find attempting to articulate what exactly "memory safe" means
This really isn't difficult, you can just Google it or RTFM.
(Sound) safe code is code that does not manifest observable undefined behavior. Memory safety is just a subset of it, that is related to memory related undefined behaviors like use after free or null pointer dereference.

>Reading about rust really does give off cult vibes and the constant use of certain phrases and "memory safe", safe this, safe that, are like chants.
Because you lack knowledge to understand this. RTFM, learn the basics, and then you won't be constantly confused by terms that other people use.

>>107088681 (OP)
tranny flag

>>107088681 (OP)
This guy is a faggot scum

>>107091692
>love netflix
do millenials really?

>>107091302
>We are not a cult. But you will only understand our chants if you're part of our cult
No thanks

>>107088681 (OP)
just ringfence instead. a fence lets nothing in

>>107088681 (OP)
debian has become a disaster ever since canonical took over it.

>>107088681 (OP)
There's no valid technical reason to rewrite perfectly working parsing code in another language for just no reason. Why can't these people just make new software but in rust.

>>107091282
>APT is horribly slow
anon... you have not used the alternatives lmao. APT is fucking great.

>>107089841
which license do you recommend?

>>107090269
>memory safety in the case of rust means no use-after-free.
So if I zero out the data when I free it, it's memory safe?

So if I use turn the address sanitizer on, it's memory safe?

>>107091223
Yeah but pythonfags asked for it. Rust is growing like a tumor but at least it works, python related things NEVER FUCKING WORKS that's why we have containers everywhere.

>>107091223
>finding an actual problem to solve
>writing a new program to solve it
I don't see a problem with this, unless they're trying to force it on people

>>107091692
>working for Canonical
>rustfag
>on mastodon
>homofaget
>vegan
>cyclist
Is god having a giggle? That's a living breathing strawman. Next you're gonna tell me he's either an aussie, germ, or a leaf.

>>107089234
systemd never made any distro x86_64 and arm64 exclusive

>>107092108
>reading documentation is for cultists
>I rather stay ignorant and confused
Cool

>>107092559
Debian also supports RISC-V, POWER, and s390x.

That guy is like every turbovaxxed corpodrone meme come to life lmao

>>107092691
none of them supported by the rust as tier 1 targets

>>107092559
>>107092691

>>107092732
If mainframe users want the Rust project to run CI on s390x they can donate a mainframe to them.

>>107088681 (OP)
just another reason to switch to arch linux

>>107092766
debian themselves can do it for releases at least since they already package rust for that port (see >>107092736).
maybe they already do, i don't know.
retards just don't realize that gcc doesn't (and couldn't) have an equivalent to rust tier 1 support.

>>107092796
this but gentoo

>>107089605
It's called static analysis.At one point in the future you will be able to proof that a program will never cause a memory violation, which will enable new programming practices like completely eliminating processes.

Linux has been taken over by communists

>>107092796
the average /g/eet tard who would be using arch, will definitely be also using paru, and wouldn't know what it's written in. lol.
>t. arch user. rust enjoyer. doesn't use aur helpers.

>>107092875
linux was always like that.

>>107089679
>Rust is a cult
true.

>>107092885
i don't use the aur at all

Reminder that Ian Murdock, creator of Debian, was murdered by the police under never clarified circumstances.

You need to make the following questions.

Who is pulling for a rewrite of source code? No matter the language, the key is who gains control of the project with the rewriting.

Who is getting paid for it, or who is connected to the people doing the rewriting.

Remember the concept of soft power. Who is gaining soft power with the rewriting?

Based.
Both Linux and Rust are fagshit.
Love watching the trannies burn it all down.

>>107092875
>30+ year old microjeet talking point
time is really a circle

>>107092850
>It's called static analysis
I've been threatened with static analysis for the past 20 years and it is always "just around the corner."
Sell me on why Rust of all things will finally make it happen.

>>107089632
I doubt devuan will try to revert this rust encroachment into apt

>>107092329
>Next you're gonna tell me he's either an aussie, germ, or a leaf.
he's german

>>107092329
kek I don't follow conspiracy theories but it really is funny how they all seem like they're just checking off a list

>>107089841
fix your typos ESL

>>107092896
retard

>>107094007
i choose to believe it's a shitposting bot, and not yet another tard-maxxed /g/eet, since there is no "cuck license", or any license change, for that matter, involved.

>>107089270
>look into some of the most important debian packages
> maintainers happen to also have an ubuntu email
debian is effectively ubuntu upstream or something.

>>107091223
uv is a godsend

>>107092732
doesn't rust use LLVM to have all that mutliplatform support?

>>107092850
Yes, answer this anon please.
>>107093482
Is this not yet implemented, and canyou elaborate on
>one point in thefuture

Also, I was really hoping more of you would address the 3 letter involvement.
As others pointed out with the OP, they're hitting all the check boxes, and direct glowie involvement makes it radioactive.

If rust was so vastly superior it would be self evident and devs would be looking for it's specific features. Instead there's this bizarre rustify everything mentality. Has all the makings of a psyop, in the same vein that troonery is inserted to hamstring open source.

"You will know them by the fruit of their labor."

>>107088681 (OP)
But rust's memory safety doesn't help with serdes security issues? What the fuck is this retard talking about?

>>107088681 (OP)
God, I hate bikefags so much, fucking niggers of the roads.

>>107088681 (OP)
Assume anybody that does this is a fucking glownigger.
They have to be at this stage because it's deliberate sabotage.

>>107095122
Well, he's clearly a cock-slobbering faggot which technically is worse. At least a glownigger might be turned towards righteousness possibly. Not so a troonigger.

Rust isn't memory safe.

>>107088681 (OP)
just sounds malicious at this point. same as that microsoft jeet CEO saying TPM is "non-negotiable", fucking reeks I tell you.

>>107088681 (OP)
Holy shit this language name is very relevant. I visualize brown pathes of rust corroding existing softwares.

>>107094997
>>107092896
go on the mailing list ask about computational marxism and watch how fast you get shut down

>>107088681 (OP)
how many Rust developers can even get hard anymore?

>>107089336
That's Mastodon though, retard.
>B-b-but it doesn't have a double @!
Because it's on the server (mastodon.social) the OP took it from. You can literally "@" someone on the same server without having to do the whole e-mail shit same-server.

>>107089270
Noticing, and also a shame. I like Debian, but I hate Canonical. If they take it over entirely, I'll just stick with other shit or accept the glowie distro (*tips m'Fedora*) instead.

>>107092850
>bro just solve the halting problem

>>107096771
holy shit i dont care i can't even believe you typed all that shit, not reading it

>>107088681 (OP)
And now Julian Andres Klode is being kicked off the Debian team. Such a surprise.

>>107097268
Prove that please. I actually hope that's the eventual outcome, but AFAICT there's no move in that direction yet by the Debian team.

>>107088681 (OP)
>>107096402
Is it possible to post picrel to the mailing list? Maybe in base64?
>>107094500
>there is no "cuck license", or any license change, for that matter
Anon is probably thinking of Canonical's rust coreutils takeover, which does indeed replace GPL with a cuck loicense
>https://github.com/uutils/coreutils/blob/main/LICENSE
not to mention a particularly sinister CoC, and god knows what other faggot shit
>https://github.com/uutils/coreutils/blob/main/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md

>>107098426
just send the text??? why would you try to send the image

>>107098426
It's a closed mailing list, but you can always spam it to their emails individually
>>107088681 (OP)
You suggest gatekeeping, but if what I am reading is to be believed, the newest APT contributor joined *16 years ago*. So a low barrier-to-entry is definitely not the issue

>>107088681 (OP)
It's always some LGBT flag fuck.

>>107088681 (OP)
Oh this guy's a flaming homosexual. I was thinking something didn't add up for a Debian maintainer to make such a sudden announcement.
Makes sense.

>>107098873
Hostile takeover, definitely. Not sure why it's always trannies and faggots,

>>107095122
>Assume anybody that does this is a fucking glownigger.
>They have to be at this stage because it's deliberate sabotage.
Of course, it's very much obvious, rust and transvestites are the spearhead of the corporate software world.

>>107098619
Indeed

what's the issue?

>>107091692
at least he has a proper font rendering

>>107097268
the main apt maintainer who is a canonical employee, and a dei cypher? good one.

>>107092167
not to mention there are several stories of people rewriting something in rust
and while the rewrite was memory-safe the logic was wrong wrt. the spec (e.g. validation or parsing)
so rust actually introduced vulns even if they were not the bogeyman C memory vulns

(no I dont have any examples of this at hand I am not that obsessed with rust)

>>107088681 (OP)
fake news.

rust was already a hard requirement for debian.

>>107091673
Sounds like it's time to get a Mac & leave the Rust community & troons behind.

Have these clowns fixed the last bunch of tools the converted to Rust?

>>107100446
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galli
Creation of eunuch caste. Common in China, middle east, etc.

>>107089567
nobody fucking cares about running the latest Debian on a DEC Alpha from thirty years ago. get a computer that isn't old enough to drink

>>107102807
this is bait, but even if it were true this would still be an extreme situation, with one dev suddenly dropping a huge decision and calling it final

>>107088681 (OP)
I don't give a fuck about debian or ubuntu

>>107093482
>>107094997

Maybe because there was no Rust 20 years ago and you people never bothered, but now other people do

>>107096402
You mean the GPL?

>>107092885
>use arch
>no idea what paru is, look it up
>literally just yay
Like fucking clockwork

>>107103119
He even looks like a pedo
I actually had to look not to call him a pedo by mistake. The kid was 12. Damn nigga

>>107092850
>>107093482
the only static analysis that does anything is valgrind

>>107092885
I'm an Arch user, Rust enjoyer and I use paru and alacritty. They're awesome.

>>107089737
>unsafe programming languages are bad because humans make mistakes
>unsafe in rust is safe if there are no mistakes in the unsafe code
hilariously, they use unsafe each time they do something interesting enough to go wrong
it's security theatre

>>107089567
Debian still calls itself "the universal operating system", yet it now only has 6 supported ports (5 if you group armhf and arm64 together).

>>107098426
That is one unhinged schizo rant. I really don't like rust but even I would be ashamed to post it