Thread 107096718

Who needs immutable/atomic desktops when you have the debian?

>>107096718 (OP)
Those who care about security. The Linux desktop generally has a really poor security model, with many distributions not even shipping any Mandatory Access Control solutions. Debian is a tiny bit better in this regard, but AppArmor is still complete dogshit, and you still have outdated packages, no application sandboxing, a mutable filesystem, and plenty of setuid programs.
If you want security, you're going to choose something like Secureblue, because it does proper kernel and userland hardening, removes setuid binaries, it has an immutable filesystem, it uses Flatpak which sandboxes everything via seccomp-bpf, and it has SELinux (although Fedora's default SELinux policies are still dogshit, because this is Linux, after all).
You might as well use Windows if you still use tradiitonal Linux distributions.

>>107096793
Is secureblue backed by a serious dev team or is it just some geek's hobby project?

>>107096793
Retarded nigger detected

>>107096718 (OP)
Very true.

>>107096718 (OP)
>two apps with conflicting dependencies block your path
>./nigger: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6: version 'GLIBC_2.38' not found (required by ./nigger) blocks your path

>>107096953
LD_LIBRARY_PATH=

>>107096973
>NixOS but manual

>>107096882
It's just Fedora Silverblue but done right. The downstream changes can be reviewed by one person, and considering Silverblue uses bootc and ostree, it's quite easy to make your own version of Secureblue that you can rebase to.

>date a guy for a month
>your name is forever etched in his distro, even after he's dead

>>107096915
jurassic packages

>>107096793
>want to watch blu-rays on linux
>use immutable distro
>turns out there's no fucking way to actually put the keys database into vlc on immutable distros
>no blu-rays for you!

>>107096793
I hate that I fell for this meme, I can't use distros without SELinux and a Firewall anymore, like niggas if you distribute Linux, at least take care of my fucking security. Sadly only the company trio does this (fedora, openSUSE, ubuntu). I like immutable distros, but some stuff is a pita

If you use beginner distros they always fuck something up or do something wrong that the users don't like. So all you can do is just install debian and use flatpaks.

Linux Mint has been fucking up recently with the garbage libadwaita theme changes and their main cinnamon edition of linux mint sucks. You can't uninstall nemo file manager which is the slowest and worst file manager on linux that takes 0.7 aka 700 milliseconds seconds to startup and like .4 of a second to switch folders and folders literally load in. Most file managers like thunar or pcmanfm take 0.020 to 0.050 to startup, 20-50 milliseconds and when you switch folders/bookmarks its instant like under 5 milliseconds.

Linux beginner distros are slowly becoming like windows. Bloated, slow and more buggy.

>>107097092
Agreed. I lost my sanity writing my own SELinux policies and confining my user account. I don't use Linux that much anymore, but whenever someone asks about switching to it, I always recommend immutable distros because they do things the right way. Atomic updates and rollbacks are very nice, and it's much harder for a beginner to mess things up.

>>107097085
Hey sweety, you can just use the flatpak for vlc, the path to the flatpak is /home/USER/.var/app/ you can place your fucking keydb in there!!! And remember, you can always layer shit as well!!!! Or use a fuckign distrobox!!!

>>107096718 (OP)
>debian
heh

>>107097085
>filtered by Flatpak filesystem sandboxing
ngmi, back to windows

>>107096718 (OP)
immutable garbage are dallit tier os
you're just busy tending the pooperating system instead of actually being productive
only streetshitterniggers use it

>>107097166
How concerning is this?

>>107097190
What do you use?

>>107097166
I'll just go back to slackware then

>>107097190
Quite the opposite, actually. Immutable distros require the least amount of housekeeping.

>>107097128
>want to do basic thing
>"just jump through these hoops bro"
>"yeah bro just deploy a container to watch a movie"
fake ass shilling by actual mouthbreathing retards for a false sense of security. maybe you actually ARE so retarded that you NEED these guard rails.

>>107097166
I'm pretty much a retard and mostly lurk this place because /v/ gets boring every once in a while and i haven't seen anyone explain why rust is hated without using /pol/-tier word salad

>>107097463
>/v/
You know how publishers and developers delay big video game releases multiple times and then when the game finally releases it's still half-baked and glitched out the wazoo, and then it turns out almost none of the original developers that made the company great work there anymore and the company is actually filled with diversity hires? It's kinda like that. Rust and rust ports are made by a 'diverse' group of people and they like to rush their ill-conceived 'memory safety' shit out the door just as much...
>https://www.phoronix.com/news/Ubuntu-25.10-Broken-Upgrade
Whoops!
>https://www.phoronix.com/news/Ubuntu-Rust-Coreutils-Perf
Embarrassing!

One of the reasons I want a faster moving distro... linux development in the recent years is crazy and it continues. But I love Debian so much

>>107097463
Alec Baldwin shooting his camera woman on the set of Rust seems to have made many anons wary of the entire thing.

>>107097834
I agree. I love Debian, but I want a distro with a faster release model for my modern laptop.

>>107097834
>kernel.png
Did you not read further than the headline? As of now, it's just code restructuring with zero noticeable benefits for users. It should facilitate more tangible improvements in the future, but who knows when that will happen and how significant they will be.

>>107096793
fpwp
just don't run malware on your computer

>>107096896
Great argument, loved the supporting details explaining your rebuttal.

>>107097343
Sorry, you should have clarified that you are a sub 90 IQ winjeet user. But yea, VLC flatpak is fine, path is just in home/.var/

>>107097128
Shut the fuck up.
That is not a goddamn solution and you fucking know it. You sound like KDE devs insisting maliit is totally functional u guiz

>>107098872
Nigger... Did you ever run Loonix outside of WSL or a VM, nigger? How is that not a solution, the "immutable" Linux Desktop has multiple options to install desired software:
>Flatpak, just drop your damn keys file in there.
>Layering (rpm-ostree install vlc) just like a "normal" app
>Distrobox a lightweight fucking 50mb ram container.
3 fucking main ways, that are all Red Hat approved. Keep hating on Flatpak, literally every distro adopted and devs push their shit to flathub and get verified as maintainer. Can you use a fucking Flatpak? Are you really that retarded?

>>107099478
Typos.. had to type with teary eyes.
t.white man