Thread 107116445

Yeah it's a bubble.

privatized profits, socialized losses. god bless the free market and the usa.

>>107116445 (OP)
could we call usa, state capitalism?

>>107116503
inverse state capitalism

>>107116503
jew capitalism propped up on the backs of white goyim.

>>107116445 (OP)
>5+ companies building real products is a bubble

>>107116445 (OP)
nice AI generated image with no source

800B isn't enough, I need a constant 24/7 feed to the money printer, please, then I'll have AGI

>>107116542
Why you retards always open your mouth for a foot to stuff it, I have no idea.
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/openai-wants-federal-backstop-investments-201700279.html

>>107116538
The products are literally fake.

>>107116584
>yahoo.finance
you literally pointed me to even more ai generated slop

>>107116609
You can literally use them right now. How are they fake?

>>107116677
Their use is to create fake products.

come home white man

>>107116445 (OP)
Still seeing apllications every day and not enough data centers to keep with the demand. Idiots just think Ai as a shitty chatbot to talk when they are sad or prompt something to fap.

>>107116838
name literally one other usecase than being a bot which outputs text

>>107116518
kek
yep state capturalism

>>107116677
for them to be real they'd have to start making that money back on the proles

>>107116445 (OP)
kek burgers are piggybanks for jews

>>107116503
The US is post capitalistic, if you create the correct scheme that includes the correct names you get a line of credit without questions and you can go full retard for years.
ie. Startups™ can leverage by ×5 - ×10 times by simply stating on media and with lawyers "I'll give you 10% of my company if you give me XXXX of money". Money that doesn't need to be in cash or credit, just a promise after X time and so on, by the 5th iteration you have a chimeric mass of Startup×VC-bullshit, backed by the current flavor of Sillicon Valley Bank, commercial papers and promises of co-expenditure for the next decade.
The US isn't compensating for real and substantial creations but for "heuristic speculation" (aka bullshiting as much as possible and using media to create hype and hide the reality, they aren't sparing in expense of trust/truth/future if that means more profit and avoid an implosion)

>>107117621
>compensating
rewarding*
And you just have to see Nvidia to understand why a reference point (a company that actually delivers) can end absurdly overvalued in 1 year, because everybody around Jensen is mentioning his company, Nvidia just happen to be a real company BUT not something that can justify a marketcap price bump by 10 times, from 400 billion to 4 trillion in 1-2 years...

>>107116445 (OP)
wait so their whole play was actually to become too big to fail
i thought i was just turning into a schizo

>>107116503
You wish. It's the other way around.

>>107116503
Nah, state capitalism would've actually tard wrangling their corpos like China does.

>>107116503
It's a mixed economy

How do I bet against it?

dotcom was a bubble
AI is a straight up scam

>>107118997
Short nvidia

>>107116503
Capitalism with Jewish Characteristics

>>107116902
A bot which identifies unique people in CCTV footage across several feeds.

>>107119010
Nvidia dumping to low millions will be a historic day, can't wait for that day. I will be extremely happy.

What I want to know is what the fuck the actual government has been doing all these years with AI? You don't hear shit from the DoD or DoE begging for AI gibs, but I know 100% for a fact that they have been working on it for 35+ years now. It's just fucking weird that this isn't an actual project within the DoE, considering it's been likened to the actual Manhattan Project and DoE has metric fucktons of compute.

>>107116538
Chinese or Jew, call it.

>>107119024
Crony Socialist Mixed Market Capitalism.

>>107116503
dictatorship of the bourgeoisie

>>107119149
Palantir, ChatGPT/Grok, they are all just using it for data farming and military usage, helping "identify" (code word for tracking users and reporting them to feds) problem individuals and illegally spy on people through purchases like at Wendy's. Its an "Intelligence" (read spy agency) stuff. Best security method against whistleblowing on illegal spy agency shit is not letting the public know what you are doing with your tools.

>>107119149
Anon, the NSA has been routing most internet traffic through a data center in California. They have been mining metadata for decades, they're absolute psychos trashing the internet and eroding other countries.

>>107119192
That's just called Fascism. (Italian), sorry to burst your bubble socialist. Also "American Jingoism."

>>107119203
Every european should sue American government for this violation of GDPR right to have your data be delete-able and not shared to third parties including government. US would be paying off european neets $6mil.

>>107116538
What real products? I've played around with all the LLMs and they are interesting novelties but not useful for doing any real work.

>>107116503
State capitalism is when government employees direct private companies. See China, or Nazi Germany.
USA has private companies directing their government.
Jack Ma doesn't give orders to Xi Jinping.
Larry Fink et al give orders to Trump.

>>107116503
We should call the USA and the western world a tumor, and destroy it.

Destroy America, Nuke america.

America and western Europe and their "culture" are a cancer on the world
>expensive rent
>expensive food
>can't afford a home
>can't afford an apartment
>can't afford to save money
>can't afford to have insurance
>can't afford to copy video games online
>invaders get to have your free shit

Funny how NONE of these problems exist and everyone is doing just fine in places like romania, serbia, hungary, georgia.

Funny how if you just leave american aligned countries, your life just gets better and improves drastically for no reason at all.....

>>107119027
Why on earth would that particular use case require subscription to a generative model with a token based price mechanism?

>>107116538
Google and NVIDIA are the only ones producing something that gets implemented in scientific research, as well as keeping their most pricey unfinished projects unreleased. Every other AI company can burn in hell, especially OpenAI. They produce nothing but slop generators that most people hate and they will never ever be profitable. LLMs are just laziness machines that allow lazy people to halfass their work even more then before. Video generators if it would be possible should just be banned and deleted off of the internet. 0 upsides outside of genning porn and million downsides. Invention worse then leaded gas.

>>107116497
fpbp

>>107120115
this too

man i wish i worked at some google arcology on some interesting project, or atleast could be a fly on the wall there...
don't know much about nvidia but i'm sure they've got some good engineers somewhere

>>107116445 (OP)
The US govt. is giving them infinite money.
How the fuck is that a bubble? Its the opposite of a bubble.

>>107120071
>Lets just nuke all of civilization and all the remaining actual humans and let the subhuman trash from the third world rule everything!
>It'll go fine, we promise! We don't know how to build roads, administer basic medical care, create any new technology without cribbing off the back of Western tech, or go three weeks without shooting our neighbors in the face indiscriminately, but it'll be a new, less European, less human civilization!

Yeah, no. Lets stick with America. No matter how bad it gets, its still better than the browns.

>>107116677
>You can literally use them right now. How are they fake?
if open AI can lose $12b selling their real product then the product is actually priced way higher than what they're charging. If it was actually priced above cost, and it was $5 every time you asked chatGPT something, no one would use it.
"fake product" is a stretch but it's definitely a dishonest market grab fueled by investment rather than sound business.

>>107120071
You say this shit because you are online worker taking inflated western money and living off of it in poor country. If you actually had to work in these countries to get money and had to interact with the local economy rather then being digital nomad you would realise that rent prices are a problem in almost every single city on this planet no matter the country.

>>107116497
that's just how it is when you're playing on a team
america is an empire and it needs to fend off challengers who will do anything including what you mentioned to win
so america has to do the same thing to compete
check out Japan's MITI and China's entire industry for an example

>>107116445 (OP)
Surely Americans won't let it happen again... right?

>>107116503
More like a state ran by capitalism. The state is absolutely cucked to business interests.

>>107116445 (OP)
lol

>>107119203
>eroding other countries
This but unironically(one example: brasil).
They have a US dick sucking Bolsanaro shooting people up with Police in poorer areas.
And they voted for him, despite there being a grass-roots campaign for documenting and reducing police violence.
And Bolsanaro's campaign being centered on shooting up favelas and being a rapist.
With their voters chanting "facebook, facebook, facebook".
There's no bigger cancer and threat to democracy than social media and their recommendation algorithms pumping out the shittiest politicians on earth to their users.
Optimizing for engagement is a literal threat to humane governments.

>>107116538
Okay im a shareholder and want you to point at a real product

>>107116445 (OP)
Altman on crack or something? Why would Taxpayers give flying fuck about your shitty AI project.

>>107121668
no ones asking them

the line must go up

>>107121846
day dreaming psychopaths

>>107120338
>"check out Japan's MITI and China's entire industry for an example"
>Anon doesn't check the state of the chinese stock market or the anemic rate of profit of chinese companies

What did Anon mean by this?

So what happens when the bubble finally bursts?

Will all those AI python scientists and vibe coders be out of job and they'll need engineers to clean their shit up finally?

>>107120115
>0 upsides outside of genning porn
That porn is mournful, horrible shit.

>>107121991
>Will all those AI python scientists and vibe coders be out of job and they'll need engineers to clean their shit up finally?
They already need engineers to clean their shit up, you've been fed lies. Also, didn't know they used airplanes to haul garbage.

>>107119203
>>107119198
I'm talking about stuff way before these companies even existed. I know what they do with it (or what they want to do with it), but that doesn't answer my question of what is the state of art in glownigger AI research. The military has been researching AI since the movie War Games came out, unironically. >>107121846
So, she's not wrong. Her reasoning is exactly why this needs to be led by a National Lab and not some rich twink scammer. AI buildout is wholly dependent on the government being involved on the ground level, especially since they want to power most of this with nuclear. If it's a national strategic interest (which it sort of is), then they should be treating this exactly like the Manhattan Project. This is the shit the DoE and our national laboratory system was literally created for. I would also bet if there is classified advanced AI research, it's being used for what we all thought AI would be used for (materials science, drug discovery, etc.) and not what AI is being used for now (making people dumber, propaganda).

>>107121961
Who cares? An efficient market is one where nobody makes any profit. If google, or amazon, or microsoft, or meta made less money then other businesses could spend less on software, hosting or advertising on them, then pass those savings to the cobsumer, eventually making the population wealthier.

>>107116538
>real products
such as

>>107121991
Everyone will suddenly become quantum physicists and will have their linkedin profiles look like picrel.

>>107116497
i neither work, nor pay taxes
i dont vote

i suffer no losses, only perpetual gains

>>107121846
>gooning wordplay is now a national strategic asset

yeah its a bubble

>>107119149
Remember, when Diffie and Hellman came up with their key exchange, they showed it to the government in 1976. Government said "Oh yeah, NSA came up with that about 10 years ago"

>>107123467
>AI bubble bursts
>Anyone invested into it will get turned into a jeet
Kek, imagine.

>>107123467
>image
fucking kek

>>107120071
since you mentioned Serbia as an example...
>expensive rent
yup. not by American standards, but our wages are NOWHERE NEAR American standards.
>expensive food
you got it.
>can't afford a home
mhm
>can't afford an apartment
most people can't even dream to own apartments, let alone houses, in the big cities over here
>can't afford to save money
you can save some if you live in a cheap apartment AND have a good wage (that combination is fairly rare)
>can't afford to have insurance
desu we have public healthcare here so it's not as terrible as it is in America, as most menial shit is handled by public health centers and hospitals; however you're typically fucked if you need a surgery and can't cash out $5k+ on a whim
>can't afford to copy video games online
okay at least our piracy laws are a meme so it's cool
>invaders get to have your free shit
Serbia has the beginnings of the jeet problem; other than that it's ok. invaders don't get to have our free shit since we don't have any free shit in the first place
it's not that good here, really
the upside is a decently homogenous white society, though we're post-communist so that's not fantastic either.
I live very well since I got a programming job at a multinational in the AI bubble, but that's quite volatile for obvious reasons; your average dude really isn't having a great time here.

>>107116445 (OP)
Its meant to stop Musk's lawsuit by selling the company to everyone.

>>107116538
>real products

>>107125288
>since you mentioned Serbia as an example...
>talks about Belgrade

>>107125091
It's really odd you don't hear more about it from organizations like the ONR/DoE/AFRL/ARL because they are all working on it and have been for quite sometime. Same with a bunch of other shit that you hear absolutely zero about. It's weird they want to pump all this money into the private sector for something that is so defense-centric ingr mind of the government without oversight by someone that does that sort of thing (like the DoE). And is no one attempting to ride the government gravy train concerned that a breakthrough could result in the government gagging and essentially taking your technology with a Group220 gag or Type 3 Secrecy Order?

SURELY the Yanks won't continue to take this bullshit... right?
Or are they just too divided by the culture war that the side in power will just eat it up and cope endlessly?

>>107122979
AI influencers peddling affiliate links on TikTok and Insta

>>107116445 (OP)
>AGI = superpower and unlimited money
>pls save us taxpayers
something doesn't add up

>>107126084
AGI = rightful recipient of taxpayer money and adhoc laws = unlimited power and super power

>>107116538
>GIVE ME ONE TRILLION DOLLARS
5+ companies going all in on Nvidia's rube goldberg machine of planned obsolescence, where they have to spend $300-500billion on the latest and great firetraps every 2 years to even FEEL like they're in the running to achieve AGI first.

>>107116445 (OP)
Well that's discomforting.

>>107116445 (OP)
if i was an american tax payer i'd rather pay even more tax so that they lose money than give them any cent.

>>107116445 (OP)
I CAN'T WAIT TO GIVE MONEY TO FAILED TECH GAMBLERS AND ISRAEL!!!!

I HOPE IT CAUSES MORE LAYOFFS!!! DOG BESS :DDDDD

>>107121961
the 80s were the peak of Asia's state corporate protectionism.
Japan, Korea, and China, more or less in that order, used their governments to set industrial policy and essentially subsidized their industries using the power of the entire nation in order to compete with the US.
Reagan-era offshoring and technology transfers didn't help the situation either.
It was in fact in that era that the delusional concept of America transitioning to a service-based economy was born. This globalist lens was also often explained as "free-market capitalism where countries all do what they're best at"
In reality, that globalist delusion only applied in a world where countries are not enemies.
As a result, that service-based economy only exists for about half of the country while the other half fights over the scraps of a former industrial economy that was moved to a hostile country and is never coming back.

>>107116503
Socialism for the rich and capitalism for the poor.

>>107128416
You think Americans run? lol

>>107116538
The product may be (arguably) real, but the business model is not. Every single AI "business" is bleeding money out of every orifice and constantly needs more "investment" just stay afloat.

>>107116538
durga durg

>>107116497
>privatized profits, socialized losses
/thread

>>107116538
Can you please show me one of these products that can do basic math, or understand trigonometry.

>>107116503
only china is a state capitalism because they ensure the companies they are involved with will return investments

>>107116538
enron was fucked in the ass back then because
>defreaduing
>security frauds
>market manipulation
>obstruction

the exact same thing facebook also did but they never brouht to justice
and the same thing openai and nvidia are doing now

tax payers must pay