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Did putting all our bets on SpaceX cost us the moon?

We already beat the Chinese to the moon over half a century ago. Why are we wasting money on this garbage?

>>107121693
Artemis is .10% of the US budget

>>107121693
should we tell him

>>107121693
To fuck blue space babes with 3 boobs

>>107121693
>We already beat the Chinese to the moon over half a century ago.
Half a century ago USA was one of the world's leading superpowers and China was a third world shithole.
Now, China is one of the world's leading superpowers and the USA is a third world shithole.
Funny how the tables turn

>>107122142
US is still the only country with reusable rockets.

>>107121678 (OP)
I think they already did, pal.

>>107122156
>reusable rockets
just like it was the only country with a reusable space shuttle which turned out to be a useless waste of money
elon is just grifting as usual. we're gonna put tesla hyperloops in mars running in tunnels dug by the boring company and powered by solar roadways O ALGO

CCP state funded demoralization thread.
Ignore and move on. Even posting in an OS console war thread is a better use of your time.

>>107122172
>useless waste of money
Using non-reusable rockets for orbital launches would be waste of money.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_launch_market_competition

Half a century ago is not even a full human lifespan

>>107121678 (OP)
Why is the first country to put people on the moon (allegedly) worried about who the second country will be?

>>107122156
China will have their own reusable rockets, you'll see! Two more weeks!

>>107122272
You obviously aren't paying attention to today's mortality stats. I wouldn't be surprised if most people born in 1995 outlive most people born in 2025. Not live to an older age than. Outlive.

>>107121678 (OP)
Ok, so sabotage the Chinese mission

>>107121693
some people want to work on this stuff okay
like some people want to work on gender studies or critical race theory

>>107122969
This type of stuff is exactly what the US will spend its time doing as it gets further behind, we will be the ones threatening nuclear war when China achieves AGI and starts rapidly scaling it

>>107121693
just because we did it before doesn't mean we can do it again.

>no chink reusable rocket yet
>chinks gets raped everyday by SpaceX alone
>but muh china is gonna totally defeat the americans bro
top kek

>>107123101
SpaceX rockets were never even close to the moon.

>>107122265
Let's see the price comparison after the dozens of required fueling trips

>>107123101
>>107122265
>muh reusable
>muh money
You guys love these words but they mean nothing if they can't get humans on the moon

>>107121678 (OP)
China's space agency announced that Shenzhou-20 is basically stuck in space, at least pending extra inspection, after she was struck by space debris.

>>107126634
People are dropping $20k on a robot to do chores, that can't take off its own clothing.

>>107126675
But at least you have a pet indian piloting it

>>107126688
>follow me, Neo!
>poop on the floor
>clean it up, Neo!

>>107122172
>reusable space shuttle
it's only reusable if it doesn't explode

>>107121678 (OP)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_11

>>107126929
Fake news

>>107121678 (OP)
>former NASA chief
Is currently a lobbyist for a competitor company that is competing with SpaceX.

Just FYI.

>>107121693
The article suggests otherwise. I am noticing more and more science publications failing to ever bring up the moon landings from the 60s and 70s... Like they know it didn't happen but can't say that... So they just pretend it didn't...

>>107121693
USA never landed on the moon, sheep brain

>>107121678 (OP)
>US 'highly unlikely' to beat China in landing astronauts on moon, says former NASA chief
Did they just admit they never landed on the moon?

>>107121693
That was ages ago. Since then US has been jewed hollow. Everything got offshored and to keep the system from collapsing and rebuilding when it still was possible they used various financial schemes to inflate everything, keep people busy with pointless jobs because all real jobs are in China, and let the wealthy invent dumber schemes to make money out of thin air to keep GDP and stocks up so everything looks fine while the country hollows out. There is a reason why West can’t build anything and it’s not just regulations. This whole AI bubble just shows that beyond the facade the country is so decayed that even if government and the biggest corporations combine together to achieve something they still fail because both of them are incapable of doing anything anymore. China will win the AI race even if they are right now “2 years” behind in terms of AI tech, just because they have infrastructure prepared for AI and because their institutions actually work.

>>107126709
Robots fortunately can’t shit

Why would we send a manned mission to the moon? Yes, there are significant mineral resources up there. Yes, we could theoretically build infrastructure on the moon to ease missions to other planets. If we could send astronauts there today, would they have the tools to get us in any way closer to either resource extraction or a travel hub?

>>107121678 (OP)
I have china fatigue

>>107126634
Why do you want humans on the Moon? To do moonlanding 2 just to prove you still can? Just wait until we figure out how to effectively mine moon soil and manufacture things out of it on the moon, then we can finally start building mining station there. Bezos engineers are already working on it.

>>107121693
Everyone knows murica faked the moon landing. China will be the first to actually land on the moon, which is why NASA is panicking and speaking as though it never happened.

>>107129335
Then why didn't the Soviets continue the space race? Were they fooled by a Kubrick film?

The US has been trying to go back since the early 2000s.
Nobody is wait for you amerim****, if China is the first country of this millennium then that's ok, they aren't hyping a new program each 8 years

>>107129513
Both Americans and Soviets realised that it’s just massive waste of money to send people on other celestial bodies and the space race didn’t actually mean anything. It just excited kids, basically the same thing as Elon shooting that car around Mars.

>>107129547
So they just let America dunk on them? Why didn't they shoot or negotiate their own fake moonlanding?

>>107129563
More important problems at hand then to spend billions putting flags on space objects. Soviet’s also made the whole digging deeper project that could have been great for making geothermal everywhere on Earth easy, cheap and reliable energy source.

>>107129563
>So they just let America dunk on them?
At no point did murica dunk on the Soviets, even if the moon landing was real.

>>107129650
Well they didn’t put guys in spacesuits with plastic flags on Venus or Mars so nobody cares.

>>107129513
>space race
it never was. the US just went for an arbitrary achievement (the moon landing) after being behind on everything else. called that the goal and declared themselves the winner.

>>107129650
The real redpill is both USA and USSR lost because that shit was a waste of time, money, energy, and manpower that should have been used for something else.

>>107121678 (OP)
Thunderf00t was right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU6aJHqQKuU

>>107130991
By the rate starship is going, Roskosmos will land on the moon before USA lmao

>>107131083
this brainlet has no idea how much his life depends on satellite data alone

>>107130991
The ones on the left side don't even exist anymore so were those merits actually valuable.

>>107131215
shooting out a satellite in orbit and a round-trip to moon are completely different in scale

>>107131256
neither would happen if not for the space race

>>107131372
the launch of the first satellite is what caused the space race to begin in the first place

>>107131397
long-range missile development caused the space race to begin

>>107131401
No, it was the Sputnik, which was a massive shock to America.
What are you on about?

>>107121693
>doesn't understand
Because jews are controlling your country and wasting your money and time with useless bullshit in social and boomer media, as they genocide you and your people. 4chan is mostly jewish AI now. Not to mention xitter.

>>107131419
Long-range ballistic missiles set the stage for the space race, sputnik was just the thing that made normies pay attention to it

>>107131449
>made normies pay attention to it
Which is the important part.
If normies didn't care the US would have never invested massive amounts of money into it

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>>107121678 (OP)
Going back to the moon with manned missions makes no sense at this time. The USA has much bigger problems to wrestle with. A manned expedition to Mars is simply out of the question. The duration missions for ISS have proven that.
We need revolutions in power generation, material science and propulsion technologies to even remotely consider going to Mars.
It turns out human physiology is very fragile and only really works with Earth-like environments.

>>107122904
National pride and trivializing the achievement.

At best China will have the 7th crewed landing on the moon and 13th sentient organism on the moon.

>>107121693
resting on your laurels leads to complacency and eventually leads to your irrelevance not to mention that the caliber of scientists these days are nowhere near the same level as the ones back then

>>107121678 (OP)
Starship isn't trying to deliver a small capsule to the moon. It's trying to deliver a small duplex (in mass). The Apollo Lunar Module was like 6 tons. The Starship's loading capacity is 100 tons and NASA wants to use all of it to ferry semi-permanent equipment and building materials to the moon. They're not even remotely comparable. China's planned moon mission rocket only has 1/4 that capacity for a moon mission, if that in practice. They haven't even tested it, just a static first stage engine burn. Same with the SLS. It has around 1/4 the cargo capacity of the Starship. Again, not comparable.

>>107129513
>Kubrick
would have insisted on filming on location

>>107129650
>>107130991
It's funny because the whole Soviet space program was seeing the US plan something and doing the more slapdash approach to be a first, with no regard to how it would benefit the next mission step:
>US wants to launch a satelitte
>Rush your own satelitte, it's not ready for launch (Sputnik 3), launch a box with a battery and a radio transmission instead. Explorer 1 had actual scientific payload. (Useful launching systems)
>Soviets send animals in space just to die, Americans sent a trained chimp and brought it back alive. (Proper life-support)
>Soviets launch a bunch of iterative designs that fail, US designs have a larger sucess rate.
>Americans want to put man in space, design a proper capsule and splash down system. Soviets made the guy jump and parachute down then lie about the landing for 3 years.
>First spacewalk was good, I'll give them that.
>Soviets never managed to do a soft landing, they basically smashed probes into the moon with airbags. US design soft landed on the first try.
>Venera suffered from the same iterative design issues.
>First space station was plagued with problems and also resulted in the first deaths above the Karman line (actual space), as they squeezed cosmonauts in a smal capsule, couldn't use pressure suits. Capsule decompressed and they died before reentry.
>Dunno about the Soviet Mars program.
You know why the soviets didn't manage to land on the moon

>>107133997
>You know why the soviets didn't manage to land on the moon
You know why the soviets didn't manage to land on the moon? They couldn't build a proper mission profile and build on their previous designs. The whole plot fell apart as the foundation was unsound.

>>107133997
>Soviets never managed to do a soft landing, they basically smashed probes into the moon with airbags.
My condolences about your education system dipshit.

>>107134067
>Landed after Apollo
>Ignores the whole list to pick at one point

>>107121678 (OP)
The hardest part of the moon landing would be the lift off from the moon. Or rather making the real thing look anything like the fake one where moon just sort of doesn't have gravity lmao
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQfauGJaTs

>>107134093
>moving the goalpost
That's the only activity americans do like clockwork

>>107134131
I accept you concession.

>>107134145
>says "never managed"
>is proven wrong
>pretends he won
Thanks for the confection sweatie

>>107134145
>I'm just pretending to be retarded
Remember: >Soviets never managed to do a soft landing, they basically smashed probes into the moon with airbags.
and kys

>>107121693
>space exploration BAD
>focus on culture war niggotry instead
Supremely low IQ.

>>107121678 (OP)
Is he the man on a photo with Stanley Kubrick ?

>>107121693
Can't wait for the chinks to set up defences and shoot down the NASA fags when they try to land

>>107121678 (OP)
>Can beat the USSR with a Gameboy
>Can't beat rice field farmers

>>107134595
They don't need to, the lander will crash due to a retard using miles instead of km.

>>107121693
brown post

>>107134610
>Can't beat rice field farmers
Damn its like Afghanistan all over again innit

>>107122142
And all b/c (((reasons))).

>>107123095
/thread

>>107134685
farmers are just too powerful.....

>>107134595
Kek.

>>107121678 (OP)
>Did putting all our bets on SpaceX cost us the moon?
americans only care about line go up. investors in spacex successfully used elon 'grifter in chief' musk to steal billions from the people to further their investment portfolio. the war between the rich and poor matters more than china outpacing the usa in every metric

>>107121678 (OP)
>Did putting all our bets on SpaceX cost us the moon?
If you read about the American Aerospace industry then you'ld know that it had a serious human resources problem after the 1980s. Silicon Valley, the culture and competition with other industries caused a huge brain drain and the field wasn't attractive for decades despite the popsci spam. SpaceX was one of the few companies that actually could attract new blood (even of it had to rely on European engineers too), the rest developed small dual-purpose rocket and they weren't really successful. The only realistic alternative is Blue Origin that isn't faster.

>>107122265
The chinese do it 10x cheaper than the cheapest an american do it.

>>107121678 (OP)
To be fair, China doesn't care if the rockets come back

>>107129547
>Both Americans and Soviets realised that it’s just massive waste of money to send people on other celestial bodies and the space race didn’t actually mean anything.
This never happened.

>>107135226
Neither did the US until Trump brought those astronauts home from the ISS

>>107121678 (OP)
>We need to be the first on the moon
>Actually, correction, we need to be the first back on the moon again

What the FUCK did he mean by this? How did he mess this up?

>>107121678 (OP)

Not a big space guy, but im optimistic about it. With moon landings, other than prestige what exactly should be the goal? Like would setting up a lunar base help in regards to creating infrastructure to make space travel easier? In my head colonizing Mars with some reasonable method of traveling back and forth to me would be an ultimate goal. How exactly do we move towards that?

I feel like SpaceX is doing a good job in trying to make the process of getting off Earth more feesible but once that is done where do you go from there? space stations?

Chinese space program: https://danielmarin.naukas.com/2025/02/19/programa-lunar-tripulado-chino-mirando-al-cosmos-y-la-exploracion-de-la-luna/
>In Spanish because D.M. is Scott Manley tier but better if you like the blog format and like having the original sources in CN.

>>107121678 (OP)
China may have people on the moon first, but america will get theirs home.

>>107139183
If boingo is involved your post could age like milk.

I hope China wins and somewhere along the line literally glasses Silicon Valley and the rest of the bay area with nuclear fire in the processes.

>>107139502
That's escalated quickly.

We don't care

>>107121678 (OP)
True. The USA has already collapsed. The government is shut down, and there are massive layoffs, so no moon for them.

>>107121678 (OP)
dead or alive?

>>107131471
>if they can put that thing into space, they can land it on our heads.

>>107121678 (OP)
Why didn't the USA keep China a primitive agrarian shithole or nuke them back to the stone age? Why did they allow Europe and its colonies to offshore their entire industry there? Why did they allow Mao to rise? None of this makes strategic sense to me. How did such a third world backwater become this powerful so quickly, why was this allowed?

>>107140760
I don't like this image

>>107121693
>Browns and yellows are sending people to the moon and beyond. Whites have done that no need to worry about it goy
>Now. Let's go back to owning the libs
cuck.

>>107121693
Anon if the events of this game were real, we would be fucking Scion girls by now.

>>107142589
Sorry, I'll not post it again.

>>107121693
because all the diverse, foreign immigrants from north-austria are dead and you cant do it for some reason

>>107142609
but I liked it

>>107121693
>the last american acomplishment was on 1969
Grim

>>107121678 (OP)
The chinese lander looks straight up like the landers from the 60s. If Elon actually gets that giant big dick rocket to land on the moon, then we might be able to actually do something new and interesting.
It's not even a race.

>>107142670
he won't

>>107142581
It was profitable and American democracy is a farce. Regardless of which party you had voted for, we would have still ended up with the same result. Both democrats and republicans were for global free trade.

>>107142670
SpaceX plan is just fundamentally retarded and requires dozens of additional rocket launches to refuel the first one.

>>107142670
You need dozens of extra ships to fuel that thing to pull off a moon mission. Is that really the future of space travel

>>107142698
>>107142702
> Is that really the future of space travel
Yes? You have to do this if you want to actually build shit in space and send out manned missions beyond Earth-Moon.

Otherwise you're stuck with the shit we have been doing for 70 years. Space probes and two dudes in a tin can who go to the moon for a photo op.

>>107142732
That's all the Artemis mission does too.
The mission is just some basic scientific experiments that could easily be done by an automated probe.

>>107142748
Yes, the first mission. The SpaceX lander could go up and down multiple times, enabling future missions and it can bring a lot of equipment up and down.

>>107121678 (OP)
Our infrastructure has stagnated, China is beating us in the AI race with a fraction of the budget, our population is angry and stupid, our technological lead is shrinking every day, yet my taxes are higher than ever. Where the fuck is all of this money going?

>>107142581
Reagan was a retard with dementia and the GOP wanted to get rid of those pesky unions demanding things like 'good wages' and 'healthcare' so to break their back they offshored manufacturing.
>mao
They didn't, the US backed the other horse and lost because the other side was even more retarded than Mao(hard to do but it's china)

>>107142853
Debt mostly. In 2025 the US paid $1.22 trillion USD in debt interests.
You can also thank Nixon for ending the gold standard. Everything started going downhill from there.

>>107142853
>money going
Trump's shitcoins and great gatsby-themed parties lmao. No Refunds.

>>107142853
>Where the fuck is all of this money going?
Oy vey! Stop noticing!

>>107142853
>Where the fuck is all of this money going?
Wealth concentration and inequality is on a record high in America.
Connect the fucking dots.

>>107142702
I believe the whole point was to setup a moon base and refueling station for future Mars missions.

>>107143074
No the mission statement was to land women on the moon

>>107130991
It was not arbitrary at all. The REAL goal of the US moon landing for ICBM technology demonstration. If we launch a rocket with a detachable bus and land that payload on the fucking moon, we could replace the Apollo capsule with several thermonuclear warheads and place them directly on Moscow. Right after we landed on the moon, we started MIRVing ICBMs. Coincidence? No.

>>107142670
That thing will topple over on the uneven surface of the moon

>>107134881
My problem with NASA is that it's always been a thinly veiled front to put glownigger assets in orbit. How many "science missions" had a classified NRO payload in the bay? I bet more than you would think. Like Hubble was a (((NASA))) project until the rumor started floating around that Perkin Elmer accidentally installed the mirror meant for another "customer" (cough...NRO...cough) because it became known that Hubble and KH-11 Hexagon satellites are suspiciously similar and use the same size mirror. I bet there are kinds of redundant money sucks across the NASA/AF/Navy/NRO/NGIA/(insert glownigger acronym here) and the goal is eliminate them and put them under one roof (Space Force). What is going to be gay as fuck is that they will make everything classified and there will be no more public facing Space shit outside rocket launches.

>>107133997
And when the US did rush into things (Apollo 1), it was a catastrophe. The slow and steady approach was the clear winning strategy.

>>107133997
Slavshits can't into roadmapping and long term thinking, they only think one step ahead as they go along with their poverty ideas.

>>107131419
>who was von braun and german rocketry experiments