Thread 107123620

Is AI determined to destroy everything in its path? Everyone complained about the crypto bubble but the AI bubble has been 10x worse for GPUs, memory, electricity prices, the job market, economic stability, basically everything in the world.

Which ethnicity or religion can we blame for this?

>>107123620 (OP)
>$100 for some RAM is a MASSIVE problem to me!!!
Have you tried not being poor?

>>107123645
americans, american jews, chinese and taiwanese

>>107123868
>>$100 for some RAM
Aliexpress prices went from $100 per 64G*2 modules to 150 per 64G*1 module. Tripled in half a year, in other words.

>>107123620 (OP)
But why? Isn't AI mostly Vram? What changed that AIfags are scaling up with the RAM?

Wait, weren't the prices increasing because of the tariffs? Or was it still covid? I can't remember

>>107124110
Why would you ever buy Chinese ram? Taiwanese ram is already unstable enough as it is running at its labeled spec with more than 2 ram sticks. Chink ram is just going to be completely fake specs with the worst binned chips they could possibly sell you.

Isn't technology supposed to get more affordable over time? Why are we going backwards?

>>107124302
jews figured out how to make more money with this one simple trick

>>107124302
Because "they" realized they can sell you the same thing for more

>>107124302
No competition due to government interference in the market

>be me
>bought 16gb in 2016
>still dont need more
>prices rising
lmao

>>107124265
>Taiwanese ram is already unstable enough as it is running at its labeled spec
You already answered your own question.
If you care about a remotely stable PC, you aren't running XMP/Expo. In which case it really doesn't matter what RAM vendor you use because they aren't binning JEDEC spec modules.
Buying memory thay is already rated for a certain speed from the DRAM vendor and putting it on a PCB isn't a hard task.

>>107124302
I sometimes wonder if making computer hardware is the worst kind of work imaginable because this shit has had permanently increasing demand for decades and nobody fucking enters the market and starts building new factories.

>>107124265
>Why would you ever buy Chinese ram?
They're used Micron/Samsung/Hynix LRDIMM DDR4 modules, and I bought them for my server.

Good thing I just did an upgrade 2 years ago.
Now to make sure my motherboard doesnt die because if it does, I'll need to upgrade it considering it only takes up to DDR4 RAM sticks.
Still windows 11 compliant btw

Man I really lucked out getting a Microcenter 7800X3D bundle with a bunch of RAM huh? Lucklets BTFO.

I still need to upgrade so I'm gonna get rinsed when I go to get RAM. Fortunately even if it quadruled in price it would amount to maybe saving up one more paycheck for the build. One of the few times it feels good to not have a wife or children too.

>>107123620 (OP)
Thank god I bought a 64gb kit a year ago

They're never coming back down, are they?

>>107123620 (OP)
>trump buys nvidia
>china literally announces a month ago "kk we gotta make our own ai chips now so we are no longer exporting rare earth to other countries that make chips nor our own chips nearly as much because its all hands on deck"
>burgoids: "iS iT Ai DaTa CeNtReS???"
you fuckers are so retarded it hurts

>>107124052
Jeets (Gemini), Chinese (Deepseek) and Jews (Open AI/Grok/Etc). The usual suspects.

>>107124230
Production shifted to AI datacenter products so less regular RAM is being made
>>107124302
Over a large period of time yes, unaffected by small to medium term downturns, no
>>107125086
>gotta make our own ai chips now so we are no longer exporting rare earth to other countries
So the root cause are indeed AI datacenters

inb4 it's actually a cartel, and the cartel blames AI so that no one investigates if a cartel has been formed.

>>107123620 (OP)
shut up goy and buy more ram

I was planing to buy 4 sticks of 32gb modules for about $700 but decided against it thinking there would be a sale on black friday/cyber monday and now I'm looking at 2 sticks for $700, I'm finna kms

>>107125109
forgot about the jeets, they are not pulling the strings but they are the main force

>>107123620 (OP)
I don't understand. What part of the AI process do they even need the RAM for? I thought it was VRAM they needed?

>>107128864
You need at least 2-3 times the VRAM in RAM.

>>107129423
But why now? Why wasn't this a problem a year ago? What have they changed that allows (more) RAM to be used in place of VRAM?

you don't NEED more then 8G of RAM. you can get by just fine with 4GB. stop being a stupid consoomer, 2GB with swap file is fine too.

>>107123645
gook

>>107129457
The problem isn't that AI companies are buying up ram sticks, but manufacturers shifting to HMB production for AI while cutting down on existing DDR5 production. DDR4 also pretty much stopped being produce

>>107129540
>HMB production
Wait, isn't that a good thing? That means each stick will have more bandwidth on it, like 32 and 64?

>>107123620 (OP)
GO UP!
GO UP!

>>107129593
MOAR!

>>107129593
AND MOAAR!

>>107123645
orange nigger

>>107129643
your president

>>107129648
Our divine liege.

>>107123620 (OP)
>Everyone complained about the crypto bubble but the AI bubble has been 10x worse
God no. Cryptoshit was still far more extreme and destructive for pricing and availability.

Just download more and set up zram.

>>107124110
who the fuck is dumb enough to buy ram from chinkshit, the site?
lol, lmao

128gb ram master race here

>tfw only a 12gb vram 3060

>>107123620 (OP)
I just got 48gb of fast hynix m-die for only $150 in addition to my existing 64gb of high binned a-die.
I think I'm set for the next 4 years

>>107123620 (OP)
>in 1-2 years i will need to change my PC
>i will need 3k-4k for something decent at this rate

>>107123645
Doesn't matter. All non-whites are fucking with something somewhere.

>>107125788
>unaffected by small to medium term downturns, no
HDD manufacturers are still recovering from the floods 15 years ago

>upgraded my cpu/mobo/ram two months ago
hhehehehe

>>107123620 (OP)
>snag a 5090 for 2230 EUR during summer
>sit on it while I contemplate the build-around for my optimal gapslop station
>DRAM prizes suddenly start rising in real time
>sweating-pepe.png
Before you roast me at least I didn't fucking scalp it, the 5090 was always going to be for me.

>>107127474
Yeah I can relate.

>>107124302
that's deeply antisemitic

I had a feeling this would happen that's why I upgraded early this year

>>107123645
Both live in the Asia continent. It matters little.

>>107130465
It's 5k for a decent PC already.

>>107130382
Recently got used 256gb ddr4 ecc for $200.
Like it's just datacenter e-waste, it's not worth more honestly.

>>107131003
I had a moment when I thought "hmm I should buy a bunch of RAM" when the prices were low and I didn't take it now I am suffering emotionally. Happened to me with buying bitcoin too

>>107131003
yeah i bought my shit in july because i knew prices werent gonna last

>>107130926
What do jews have to do with the not-chinks who collude to control PC component prices? This is a deranged obsession..

I don't see an issue

>>107129458
Unironically, I do get by with 2GB on a day to day basis. You'd be amazed how little you actually need for daily computing tasks.

>>107123620 (OP)
Just 60 more data centers and AI will become profitable.

>>107132344
>2gb
I have some chink netbook that came with chink win10 and 2gb ram and it's surprisingly usable, you can do office stuff and have couple of tabs open.
For browsing and general office work 8gb is more than enough.
Problem is if you're playing vidya 16 gb is no longer enough.

>>107132347
"AI" (machine learning) is profitable. What's not are LLMs and derived products.

>>107129599
wtf why is ddr4 more expensive?

>>107123620 (OP)
almost like it's a kind of utility monster
i hope this analogy catches on, i look forward to hearing such conversations.

btw this was epic. had to screenshot and post it

>>107132316
The same kit was ~$420 a month and a half ago. The 192GB 4-stick kit was $800 about the same time, and it's now $1700. I've been tracking 96GB and above DDR5 kits price and availability daily since the beginning of the year.

The funny thing is, it had been known that AI-centric firms were buying up as much server grade RAM as they could get earlier in the year, but prices on consumer grade stuff didn't budge. But a few weeks ago a news story mentioned that OpenAI was buying up RAM (obviously not consumer grade though), and literally the next morning prices were up +60%, and up +100% within a week. They're now +110% vs the same price in September. IMHO retailers are just trying to see what the market will bear ahead of the holidays.

>>107132274
It's fine, just make sure the next time you get this kind of thought you actually go out on the market and buy.

>>107123620 (OP)
I'm so mad at myself. I was going to buy a new CPU this year and along with it upgrade my ram. Because it was a 32gb DDR5 4800mhz CL40 kit (back in 2022 even buying 5600mhz would have doubled the price) and I wanted something with higher clock speeds.

Well no new CPU's have launched yet (seem to launch late this year or early next year) but because of these ram prices I will just have to keep the 4800mhz kit. At least I upgraded my laptop's ram early this year for cheap.

>>107132974
They are mostly stopping DDR4 production and switching to DDR5. And old stock is running out.

>>107133123
>IMHO retailers are just trying to see what the market will bear ahead of the holidays.
Not only can they be really greedy right now, but they'll look like HEROES after prices are cut as "holiday sales". It's incredible.

>>107132316
Never buying this shit brand/model again.
bought their new tridentz rgb ram when it first came out in like 2017, shit is faulty as fuck and I have to keep it at like stock 2166hz or w/e or It crashes

>>107123620 (OP)
>china locks down rare earth minerals to produce its own ai chips in response to Trump buying nvidia
>this means less export of raw materials and chips
>they inform everyone of this fact
>one month later
>everyone screeches this is because of "da datacennies"
ugh

>>107134180
>(seem to launch late this year or early next year)
hate to break it to you but the next major launches are late 2026/early 2027. AMD might launch a couple new ones in January at CES but that'll be on the same generation as last years.

>>107134796
>to produce its own ai chips
so it's datacenters.

>>107123645
Capitalism

>>107129754
>Rolls die
>Hmm. 5. 1000% tarrif today.

bro wtf it just keeps rising

>>107123620 (OP)
>2026 will be the year of JUST WAIT

>>107124302
It's not that complicated. Line MUST go up.

>>107135676
You either buy now or buy in 2027

>>107124398
>nobody fucking enters the market and starts building new factories.
Apparently there are new on the way. AI is saying things will normalize after 2027.

>Fab,Owner,Location,Capacity, Online
>Micron Virginia,Micron,USA,30–40K wafers/mo, Q4 2026
>Samsung P4L (Phase 2),Samsung,Pyeongtaek,+50K wpm, Mid-2026
>SK Hynix M15X,SK Hynix,Korea,+35K wpm, Q3 2026
>YMTC Wuhan Expansion,YMTC,China,+60K wpm (NAND), Q2–Q3 2026

>>107135676
what are you talking about? Its been like this since 2020. Fucking hell I still have yet to get a GPU with more then 8gb of ram. I'm still using a 3070. I honestly think this is the longest I've ever gone without upgrading my gpu.
>>107135752
I absolutely do not understand what is even going on with the fucking market. Did covid really force everyone on earth to buy a fucking PC? Most people already had PC's. I feel like nvidia and amd are both colluding to keep the market the way it is. AMD not trying to even compete with nvidia on purpose. Microsoft has been the worst its ever been ever. Companies outright removing long standing features from products. list goes on and on.

>>107135805
>AMD not trying to even compete with nvidia on purpose.
No one is competing anymore they all work together for AI. It's one big centipede.

>>107123620 (OP)
Nothing to do with AI, it's price gouging. GPU does 99% of the work. It's also to discourage the use of DDR4/hardware that doesn't cuck the user for W11.

PALIT
PNY
ZOTAC
GAINWARD

These 4 brands have the cheapest 5070TIs below MSRP where I am
Which is the most reliable?

>>107124302
turns out you can tie half the world's growth indicators to compute power (until it fucking crashes)

>>107135950
>It's also to discourage the use of DDR4/hardware
DDR4 chads win.

>>107135044
This.
Under communism we wouldn't have any RAM at all because there'd be no need for personal computers, just public terminals that connect to the state mainframe.

>>107135998
>just public terminals that connect to the state mainframe.
This is what Elon Musk wants to do with AI now. He literally said there would be no apps in the future, everything will be done with AI.

>>107135933
Even before the AI shit was in full swing AMD was shooting itself in the foot constantly for no reason

>>107123620 (OP)
It's a scam to drive up prices and they know it's a bubble and they desperatly need something new to sell.

lmao poorfags

>>107135969
don't all of those have high failure rates?

>>107135994
>gimp yourself for 4 years (at minimum) to save a few hundred bucks

>>107136312
a few hundred bucks not in your pocket shlomo

>>107136300
don't tell me that
don't make me spend more money

>>107135676
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR 2 YEARS

>>107124302
capitalism

Asus prime has dual bios right? I'll just get that
fuck i hate spending money
fuck sam altman and fuck ai

>>107136450
kek that's from when he was looking directly at the sun for the eclipse after being told not to

>>107123620 (OP)
Are you new to life? Every year that goes by is yet another record breaking transfer of wealth from the poorest to the richest.

>>107124302
communism

Everything. And I mean everything I love or enjoy, has been decimated.
I can't even have my lonely hobbies anymore. Everything must be taken. Everything erodes.
Take the games, take the AI, take the GPUs, take the websites, take it all away.

>>107136312
times are tough, his NEET allowance isn't what it used to be

>>107136511
>under capitalism we have to ration PC parts
>under communism we have to ration flower

>>107135994
>>107136312
I'm still using DDR3, it just works.

>>107123620 (OP)
fuck your ram prices, my rent went up 45%
shit isnt even legal

>>107129593
>>107129599
>>107129605
>hovers mouse
FLASHBANG

>>107135933
too many cooks in the kitchen.

>>107123620 (OP)
They did the same thing when DDR2 (or was it 3?) bottomed out on pricing... only this time they didn't have to set fire to one of their plants. Price hikes only last about six months, then they remember that they do business on volume.

>>107123645
Well JPOW is white, so looks like they got us again.
Jews are probably involved somehow too.

>>107137094
this has nothing to do with that but rather every froundry mass producing HBM ram and the retards having to give 40% of every single ram yield to OpenAI.

>>107137304
see, you had a month to stock up now its over https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/1nvex63/openais_stargate_project_to_consume_up_to_40_of/

>>107130903
>buying a 5090
retard

I bought 128gb of ram before this happend for like $150

its so hard to choose a case

>>107137304
Fake scarcity is fake scarcity.

>>107133123
>IMHO retailers are just trying to see what the market will bear ahead of the holidays.
Its happening in my cunt too so there'd have to be some high level of collusion going on. Its much more likely that ram manufacturers have stopped all orders and are raising prices to distributors/retailers

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/pc-cases-manufacturers-forgot-about-electromagnetic-compatibility.342666/

is this a real concern or is this tinfoil wifi level autism?

>>107137991

>not having your PC mounted on a rack in another room

>>107137991
No. The real problem is laptop speaker wires and desktop case headphone jack cables being unshielded, manufacturers are too cheap to wrap them even in tin oil, making annoying noise.

>>107137967
This,
also the whole AI is eating DDR5 supply is dubious. They're different factories to GDDR7 & co.
The highest bandwidth available with them on top end EPIC boards is a fraction of what any GPU can deliver.
You can theoretically run large models on CPU that way but it's slow as fuck, and that's just inference. NFW they're training on them.

>>107135950
>nothing to do with AI
>buys 40% of global DRAM output
yeah sure

>>107123620 (OP)
it's not like there's any compelling reason to buy new hardware besides your old shit literally dying, and i have more old shit to spare so, lol lmao even.

Coordinated Scarcity. Kil lall AI niggers, and corpo niggers participating in it. Escpecially get rid of any subhuman who writes articles this.

>>107138056
That's sensationalist "skirting straight up lies" misreporting. While GDDR7 is technically "DRAM" that doesn't mean DDR5 RAM will be affected. It's different plants.

Read above post again, carefully. The reason why prices are rising is reporting like this and retards like (You) spreading the FUD around.

>>107138056
>some Jew buys up ECC RAM for their Datacenters
>the consumer market has to suffer because of it

their temporary gains are meaningless
customer is will always be KING

>>107138136
manufacturers have halted quotations for certain DRAM and NAND flash products for months, the shortage is real and you are all retards

>>107138084
DRAM dies are made of the same basic silicon but HBM requires 3 times more wafer, if you did not knew this would happen you are retarded, every schizomax /g/ poster has been stocking DRAM since january when the chinese started to gobble up all server ram

>>107132281
Shalom

>>107129457
Training checkpoints, pre-processed batch data, input batches... All of that stuff is staged in ram generally

>>107123620 (OP)
Wow, quickly checked around for 2x32GB bundle which is what I have and now it's now $200+ for what used to be $100. Not complaining or anything because I'm not planning to go up to 128GB any time soon, but still.

>>107123645
klezmerjewbg.ogg

>107123620
Imagine being such a dweeb posting this shit.

Muppet, prices always rise leading up to Christmas.

I have an unopened 2x16 / 32gb DDR4 Trident Z RGB kit

How much can I probably sell it for?

>>107138735
wait till next year and win big champ

>>107123645
>Ethnicity
Korean
>Religion
Samsung & SK-Hynix

>>107139121
kek

>>107138735
a lot if its 3200cl14 or 3600cl16
not that much if its anything else

>>107139798
I think it's 3000

>>107140008
>>107139798
Yes, it's 3000 cl16

>>107123620 (OP)
People mostly made fun of crypto bubble because it was pathetic and stupid. It’s just a volatile intangible asset with no use, and the way that cryptofags were using the NFT tech to sell eachother links to monkey jpgs or just using it as less efficient alternative to most products was funny.

>>107124302
Because before AI the only people who bought GPUs were gamers and bitcoin miners. Now every major tech company is burning all of their saving to train and operate AI.

>lots of AIOSlop for 200W CPUs
>almost none for 400W GPUs
Why do people just accept loud fans and overheating video cards?

>>107123645
Americans.

>>107129457
they have multiple "deals" now and bought up the supply until 2027 ram manufactures being a cartel decided to raise production at the end of 2026 so you are stuck with increased demand but not increased supply.

>>107124302
Orange hitler.

>>107129593
wtf

>>107123620 (OP)
>AI bubble
there is no ai bubble

>>107135718
2027 is when it might stabilize. Prices won't go down before 2028.

>>107123620 (OP)
So glad I'm out of this trash. Not upgrading for another 5-10 years. The ai bubble should pop in a few years. Save your money

>>107124302
cool it with the antisemitism.

this is how you create a kingdom