Thread 107125507

https://www.404media.co/fbi-tries-to-unmask-owner-of-infamous-archive-is-site/
The FBI is attempting to unmask the owner behind archive.today, a popular archiving site that is also regularly used to bypass paywalls on the internet and to avoid sending traffic to the original publishers of web content, according to a subpoena posted by the website. The FBI subpoena says it is part of a criminal investigation, though it does not provide any details about what alleged crime is being investigated. Archive.today is also popularly known by several of its mirrors, including archive.is and archive.ph.

“THE INFORMATION SOUGHT THROUGH THIS SUBPOENA RELATES TO A FEDERAL CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BEING CONDUCTED BY THE FBI,” the subpoena says. “YOUR COMPANY IS REQUIRED TO FURNISH THIS INFORMATION. YOU ARE REQUESTED NOT TO DISCLOSE THE EXISTENCE OF THIS SUBPOENA INDEFINITELY AS ANY SUCH DISCLOSURE COULD INTERFERE WITH AN ONGOING INVESTIGATION AND ENFORCEMENT OF THE LAW.”

The site, which is known by both archive.today, archive.is, or any number of other mirrors, started in the early 2010s but rose to prominence during the GamerGate movement.

GamerGaters would take snapshots of articles using archive.is in order to avoid sending traffic directly to the websites that published them. They also used the service to document changes to articles. The site has since become a widely used archiving tool and internet resource, with hundreds of millions of pages saved. It is often used to bypass website paywalls, but it is also used to save snapshots of articles or government websites that are likely to change or be deleted. It is still also widely used to avoid sending traffic to the original publisher of content.

Very little is known about the person or people who work on archive.today, though there have been numerous attempts to identify the webmasters.

oy vey this is a huge win for the internet!

You are not allowed to remember goyim.

>>107125507 (OP)
>gayergayte in the big 2025

Why is it that all news regarding media of the past 5 years or so have been nothing but the most horrid abhomiable dogshit bad/news ever? Why can't there be just ONE good news?

>>107125507 (OP)
kash patel is trying to cover up epstein info.

OWNED BY USENET GANG

>>107125579
regarding tech**

we already know the owner is russian, wtf is fbi gonna do?

>FBI
>protecting corporate interests

>>107125507 (OP)
What's good to download off it? I haven't really looked into it. I'd like music OSTs or gaming roms

>>107125553
That's basically it.

>>107125600
Different site. This one is """political""".

archive.is has deleted old archives that dont conform to their ideology

They deleted this website archive shot and replaced it with a modified version that came later.

>>107125624
proof?

>>107125507 (OP)
archive.today is infamous but why? it's just an archive site. what illegal activity did they do?

>>107125507 (OP)
>GamerGate
and 404media enters my shitlist of retarded websites

>>107125624
Whats wrong with that? No one believes in or wants totally unrestricted speech.

For instance, I assume you are against child porn spammers and sextortion. If you had total free speech both of those would be legal.

>>107125681
US government doesn't agree with it.

fuck 404

https://archive.ph/TFqAx

As if I didn't hate the american glowie agencies already enough.

>>107125624
is Robert Reich the dumbest motherfucker to have ever lived? experts say yes

>>107125693
huh?

>>107125596
>inb4 Snowden

>>107125708
yes

>>107125701
Do you have a functioning brain? Cause I dont think so

>>107125624
>>107125708
What's wrong with his post and is there proof that archive.today deleted the original snapshot?

>>107125701
>Whats wrong with that? No one believes in or wants totally unrestricted speech.
>For instance, I assume you are against child porn spammers and sextortion. If you had total free speech both of those would be legal.

>>107125724
Do you have an actual explanation of why no restrictions on speech are necessary?

>>107125624
You know who also drank water? Hitler.

>>107125624
This seems to be the version in your screenshot:
http://archive.today/2022.04.12-133800/https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/12/elon-musk-internet-twitter

Could you tell me what was deleted?

>>107125624
ngl you can bullshit your way into having someone believe you
that's a very core large part of politics, misinforming/dis-informing your audience

>>107125745
This retard probably only checked the latest snapshot and came here crying right after.

>>107125745
https://archive.is/https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/12/elon-musk-internet-twitter

>>107125693
Take the Grokipedia pill.

>>107125712
He's bought into the reddit propaganda

When will someone create a blockchain-archive?
techbros are trash.

>>107125771
>amp
>muh different links aren't archived under the same page somehow
What's the matter, retard?

>>107125793
grokipedia is largely bullshit generated by musk's lobotomized AI.
There's a lot of criticial information missing. Try looking up the relationship between trump and epstein.

>>107125724
should spam bots be allowed? How can you ban spambots without placinga restriction on speech?

Even if the restriction only hampers spam, that is still a restriction on speech.

>>107125922
It's a preview version and is already much better than Wikipedo.

>>107125793
>>107125922
Wikipedia is largely better as it requires good sources. Grokipedia sometimes quotes first hand sources about themselves, which is a quite stupid thing.

But To be clear I think Grokipedia is still better than some of the idiots you run in to online, but AI is known to fuck up and hallucinate when quoting sources. Or make up sources entirely.
That says more about the average person than the quality of AI.

>>107125963
>(((good sources)))

>>107125950
>It's a preview version and is already much better than Wikipedo.
what makes it better?

gaming journos? it's over for them nibbas

>>107125922
https://grokipedia.com/page/Jeffrey_Epstein

Looks like the information is there. What do you mean by "lobotomized"?

>>107125963
>Wikipedia is largely better
Unless you're into the cult, I dont think its good sourcing, especially when the wiki sourcing is limited to only left wing propaganda sites and has banned every single right and center-right website

>>107125507 (OP)
Fucking fascist kike lovers, what the fuck does he want?

>>107125553
You are also not allowed to remain anonymous.

>>107125507 (OP)
archive erry ting

>>107125983
>https://grokipedia.com/page/Jeffrey_Epstein
>Looks like the information is there. What do you mean by "lobotomized"?

There's no mention of epstein calling donald trump his "closest friend":
https://www.thedailybeast.com/listen-to-the-jeffrey-epstein-tapes-i-was-donald-trumps-closest-friend/

Wikipedia has an entire article about their ties which isn't on grokipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relationship_of_Donald_Trump_and_Jeffrey_Epstein

>>107125681
Didn't donate to AIPAC

>>107125977
Not as biased. See the Gamergate screenshot above.
If a claim can't be backed up with a source it's removed, etc.

>>107126042
>dailybeast
far left wing propaganda site
>wikipedia
far left wing propaganda site

>>107125704
just make an account, lil bro

>>107125977
It doesn't have activist groups that specifically set out to control information according to their ideology. There is a huge feminist editor network and they aren't even hiding what they are doing. Same with socialists.

>>107125983
>Unless you're into the cult, I dont think its good sourcing, especially when the wiki sourcing is limited to only left wing propaganda sites and has banned every single right and center-right website
Wrong. Plenty of libertarian/right and centrist sites are allowed:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#RSPREASON

Stuff like Reason, WSJ, Reuters are fully trusted.

And they have not banned every single right wing source. Stuff like fox news, washington times, etc are allowed.

>Historically, there has been consensus that Fox News is generally reliable for news coverage on topics other than politics and science. However, many editors expressed concerns about the reliability of Fox News for any topic in a 2023 RFC. No formal consensus was reached on the matter, though. See also: Fox News (politics and science), Fox News (talk shows).

>There is consensus that The Washington Times is a marginally reliable source for politics and science. Most editors agree that it is a partisan source. Some editors noted a history of publishing inaccurate or false information, of being slow to issue retractions or corrections, and of sometimes only doing so under the threat of legal action; a considerable minority favored deprecation on these grounds. The Washington Times is probably suitable for its mundane political coverage, although better sources should be preferred when available. The Washington Times should generally not be used for contentious claims, especially about living persons. A majority of editors regard The Washington Times as generally reliable for topics other than politics and science. Opinion columns are governed by WP:RSOPINION and WP:NEWSBLOG. Some editors observed that The Washington Times has a conflict of interest regarding the Unification movement and related topics.

>>107126054
>Not as biased. See the Gamergate screenshot above.
What sources does grokipedia cite that are missing on wikipedia?
>If a claim can't be backed up with a source it's removed, etc.
Are you talking about grokipedia or wikipedia?

>>107126080
>Plenty
Larry Sanger can't stop bitching about how left leaning Wikipedia is and I believe him.

I use archive when I visit a site and when checking cookie consent/legitimate interest I find it too invasive. More for that purpose then paywalls.

>>107125507 (OP)
/v/ isn't going to like this

>>107126092
Are you playing dumb, perchance?
Just pick a random article from a subject you're well versed in and go from there.

>>107125507 (OP)
Why doesnt archive today send a back up of their stuff to other archives. like the wayback machine.

It'd be a pain in the ass to transfer all of it though.

I've used archive sites for years because I thought that was only way anons (on any board) would actually read links

>>107126080
>Reuters
They refused to say Gulf of America, an official name change, choosing to adopt a left wing political agenda to oppose the Trump admin
>WSJ
Center-left wing propaganda

Meanwhile, they allow

>>107126092
Here is a basic lesson in information control for you buddy.
It's pretty silly to let the enemies of a movement define said movement, instead of listening to the members of the movement regarding their motivation.

>>107126059
https://yalereview.org/article/michael-wolff-donald-trump-epstein-files
The guy who intereviewed epstein talks about it elsewhere as well.

>>107126121
I've used archive sites for years because I thought that was only way anons (on any paywalled website) could actually read links

>>107126125
Yeah Reuters is mainstream left, I dunno what anon is getting at.

>>107126125
>an official name change,
only in the US

>>107126109
>Just pick a random article from a subject you're well versed in and go from there.
I gave the example of the epstein article on grokipedia, and how it doesn't mention that he called trump his closest friend.

>>107126125
>They refused to say Gulf of America, an official name change, choosing to adopt a left wing political agenda to oppose the Trump admin
Source?

>>107126137

they aren't mainstream left, they are very close to center:
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reuters/
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/reuters-fact-check-media-bias

Who gives a fuck? Internet is already dead. Tech is already dead. Tech, internet, games, everything that was once a magical place away from regular life is now just regular life but on a screen.

Everything is so fucking gay just let them have this gay shit. Buy a Steam Deck and put your emulated childhood library on it and stop going on the internet ever. Problem solved. Back it all up on an eHDD, buy a new one every 5 years to ensure you don't lose any of it.

>>107126140
Well if that one quote missing bothers you so much you can highlight where you think it should go and report it missing.

>>107126126
>Here is a basic lesson in information control for you buddy.
>It's pretty silly to let the enemies of a movement define said movement, instead of listening to the members of the movement regarding their motivation.
It'd also be silly to blindly trust them and use them as direct source in an encylopedia.
Would you trust a gang when they claim they are not a criminal organization?

>>107126125
>They refused to say Gulf of America
It's a British news agency. Why would they conform to the official American standard?

>>107125507 (OP)
>https://www.404media.co/fbi-tries-to-unmask-owner-of-infamous-archive-is-site/
Here's another article about this:
https://www.heise.de/en/news/Archive-today-FBI-Demands-Data-from-Provider-Tucows-11066346.html

>>107126148
>literally-who website fact checked it bro
Anyway. Glad we agreed Reuters isn't right leaning after all.

>>107126126
The article does mention what they state their motives to be.

>Gamergate proponents ("Gamergaters") claimed to be promoting ethics in video game journalism and protecting the "gamer" identity in opposition to "political correctness"[c] and the perceived influence of feminism and so-called social justice warriors on video game culture.[3][23] Proponents alleged there was a conspiracy between journalists and video game developers to focus on progressive social issues such as gender equality and sexism.

>>107126099
He's made mistakes in a bunch of his theses. I wouldn't blindly believe him.

>>107126188
>claimed
>"gamer"
>perceived
>alleged

>>107126080
>>107126125
Wikipedia allows reason, which is right leaning:
https://www.allsides.com/news-source/reason-foundation-media-bias
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/reason/

>>107126188
Yes and then they says they are lying/wrong quoting their ideological opponents.

>>107126209
Doesn't matter when grok still just quotes wikipedia word for word lmao

>>107126223
Which is why they're developing Grokipedia. So they can stop training their models with Wikipedia data.

>>107126209
Wow they allow one centrist token outlet that didn't offend the leftists too much.

>>107126259
kek

>>107126104
what does /v/ use it for?

>>107126148
>mediabiasfactcheck
I had to dig deeper cause of the rabbit hole network leftists built to hide the information.

>mediabiasfactcheck
Run by a seemingly small time guy, but on it, it says they outsource their fact checks to "International Fact-Checking Network". So first rabbit hole. Then you find out IFCN is run by Poynter. Then you find out the president is a guy named Neil Brown. He was a editor at Maimi Herald.2nd rabbit hole. Then you dig down, Maimi Herald is a left leaning paper. The IFCN also has Vice President role. Kelly McBride. She worked at NPR as a public editor. NPR's most recent CEO is a former Wikipedia CEO, that has repeatedly said truth is threat to their wiki editors and they simply should focus on editor consensus. We also know she's also an Aspen Institute alumini. She worked hard to bury the Hunter Biden laptop story. This is a deep rabbit hole.

I dont wanna dig too deep, but the "fact checks" are heavily biased and leans left. So the "center" to them means their center. Even if I call them left of center, the needle shifts 1 point leftward by default.

>>107126259
>>107126269
It's literally right leaning, why are you calling it centrist?

>>107126286
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/text/archive.is/type/op/

>>107126223
Its not "quoting" wiki, the baseline is a downloaded copy of wiki and modified/fact checked/edited by grok when grok finds problems or if it had time analyzing that article.

>>107126301
How did they try to bury the hunter biden story?

>>107126304
If it was right wing it would say "right wing", not leaning towards whatever the fuck. Also I know reason.com and its milquetoast centrist as fuck, regardless of what that compass thing says.

>>107126309
i hadn't thought of that, but aren't there a bunch of TLDs they use, or is it almost always .is?
anyway i see your point, that is quite common

>>107126320
https://grokipedia.com/page/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy
https://grokipedia.com/page/Twitter_Files

You read the wiki page and you get a completely different story, especially before twitter files and even during twitter files, they had completely different spin

>>107126335
Im asking about kelly mcbride. not wikipedia. how did she try to bury the hunter biden story

>>107126316
Some articles aren't even based on Wikipedia, too. Not even half of the articles I've checked had an "adapted from Wikipedia" disclaimer at the bottom.

>>107126340
She's a lefty. The website you're using to as metric for "fair and balanced" is controlled and run by long time left wing media editors that are expert in left wing political agenda writing.

>>107125793
It's literally just a wikipedia fork where you can't even edit any of the articles.

>>107126343
Yeah, some articles are completely rewritten that tells a completely different story. The Gamer Gate article completely inverts the narrative

>>107126335
Whats missing from the wikipedia page?

>>107126259
And whose fault is it that rightoids are serial liars?

>>107126349
It literally isn't. Most articles online right now aren't based on Wikipedia.
>you can't even edit
Good. Working as intended.

>>107125579
Because that gives clicks like how you clicked on this thread. Of course it's also because of Israel.

>>107126369
All american news outlets are serial liars, you just don't notice because you only consume sources of one side.

>>107126369
>And whose fault is it that rightoids are serial liars?
If your baseline for truth is lefty propaganda, everything looks like a lie to you. Castrating children seems like you're saving them. Calling men as women for castrating themselves looks normal to you. Communism looks clean to you. Everyone that doesn't buy into mass migration to destroy wages looks like a Nazi to you. The baseline you're working with inverts reality.

>>107126348
Im asking what she did to the hunter biden story, not if she's left wing or not.

>>107126384
This. And this isn't just lefty media, its both lefty and right media. Whoever's on one side of the fence is eating propaganda daily. If you eat both sides, you're eating twice as much propaganda.

>>107126392
Do you ever question your own strawmen or is it NPC full auto no thought just talk? I couldn't imagine living like that, I like to question things. I'd feel embarrassed to constantly spout utter bullshit. Clearly most humans don't give a fuck though.

>>107126396
>Kelly McBride.
>She worked at NPR as a public editor.
>NPR's most recent CEO is a former Wikipedia CEO
You were not able to follow this? Being an editor at a highly left wing gov propaganda outlet makes her a lefty. The ones hiding hunter biden story is the CEO of NPR who was formerly a CEO of wiki. The CEO was the one actively engaging with Aspen Institute to hide the story.

>>107126162
>Well if that one quote missing bothers you so much you can highlight where you think it should go and report it missing.
i dont use twitter

>>107126415
>no u
I see...

>>107126415
Is it really a strawman? Didn't a recent self proclaimed communist win NYC election and is seen as the next coming of Jesus Christ? Isn't trans right the core of the left wing politics? Especially trans right to castrate children and participate in female sports? Isn't communism a cherished and idealized political ideals for the current left wing ideology?

>>107126428
You can login with Twatter, Google, Apple or via email.

>>107126441
>Didn't a recent self proclaimed communist win NYC election
Yes.
>and is seen as the next coming of Jesus Christ?
No? Maybe figuratively?
>Isn't trans right the core of the left wing politics? Especially trans right to castrate children and participate in female sports?
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>107126441
out of curiosity, what percent of the population do you think is transgender?

>>107126370
>It literally isn't.
So tell me where those 800K articles came from then dumbass.
>Good. Working as intended.
Fucking retard.

>>107125681
>it's just an archive site

what kind of stuff do you think people keep in a lawless archive?

>>107125624
>dictator
>wants something to not be controlled
What did he mean by this?

>>107126476
When faced with evil, you feign ignorance eh? Even as an anonymous lefty, they understands evil, they just choose to ignore the battle and feign ignorance of the reality of their politics.

>>107126489
Idk, isn't it the top priority for left wing politics? To castrate all the children?

>>107126511
>what kind of stuff do you think people keep in a lawless archive?
Archive.today listens to block requests. They've blocked sites, but they'll tell you which agency requested the block.

>>107126524
>Idk, isn't it the top priority for left wing politics? To castrate all the children?
How the fuck did you get to that conclusion? Where are you getting that from?

>>107126548
https://archive.is/wDDOo

Uhh Biden admin wanted to castrate children.

>>107126567
Where does it say it's the top priority for left-wing politics?

>>107126575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhnHt1NB0M0

Kamala pushed for it. Trump reposted her interviews as an ad.

I understand you want to deny it, but more than 50% of America disagreed with your denialism and saw through the Kamala and Biden messaging.

>>107125553
>>107125530
>>107125507 (OP)
It's an NSL. You don't even know what it's called.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_security_letter

Generally, the recipient isn't the target of the investigation.

The purpose is most likely to try to identify a known user of archive.today, such as a hacker.

ITT:
>left wing strawmen vs. right wing strawmen

>>107126602
Where do they say its their top priority or that its the core of left wing politics?

>thread already exists >>107123429
>make a gay retard clone with a clickbait troll headline
For what purpose? Attention?

>>107126607
And the end result is: yet another tool to kill problematic websites
>yes, archiving is problematic for the US, IA already got culled during the pandemic

>>107126645
he probably didnt notice the other thread

>>107126653
what got culled from there?

>>107125579
3I/ATLAS is full of hot aliens
that's why the feds are keeping quiet about it

>>107126671
Websites (even of scammers), most magazines post 1950, a lot of books.

>>107125507 (OP)
>Very little is known about the person or people who work on archive.today
There was a brief moment a few years back when the entire site was blocked in Finland due to the admin running into trouble with the finnish border patrol, which basically means he's russian.

>>107126497

wikipedia is proof that editors shouldn't be allowed

>>107126727
>Websites (even of scammers),
which ones?

>>107125624
>>107125771
that's a pretty stupid article to get retardedly worked up and wrong over

>>107126125
This is fair. Fox news is not reliable.

>>107126949
Its just there because it exposes the political propaganda and their real messaging.

>>107126990
If you're into the castration cult, Fox News would seem like a demonic entity wouldn't?

What article critical of israel is it preserving which made the (((FBI))) go after it?

>>107126993
The only thing that people should get worked up about is rich people stepping on the necks of the poor. Fuck rich people.
>>107127004
I'm uncircumcised and I'm pagan.

I warned you, only private archives on airgapped Librebooted hard drives are safe.

>>107126804
the wiki of the troll website s****k was purged despite not having personal info (I know it because I was the one that personally archived it)
Companies retroactively changing its ToS (illegal) actively, ie DCS Australia, deletes any evidence from archives like IA.
In the end of the day law is used to cull archives. "freedom" of speech and fair use laws are created to protect low effort crap of random people not well organized and actually useful projects like archives.
The worst part is the lack of register for those deletions, at least wikipedia leaves evidence of the purges, so there's no way to know how much they destroyed (at least some books were changed from borrow to borrow for people that is disabled, aka a tiny population covered by that use case, from the US and that proved that disability).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftc9Rmj4JzY

>>107127039
Edit: ...instead of well organized...

the feds are probably shutting that down because of that website hosts cp literally i tried browsing the archive of an altchan only to be greeted by cp fuck that shit website ran by pedophiles

>>107127084
>implying that feds can't snipe those files and that aren't they (their troll farms) the ones posting them in first place
Go fuck yourself John Dee

>>107127084
>because of that
I AM NOT ESL ITS A TYPO KILL YOURSELF OBSESSED FAGGOT

>>107127039
>the wiki of the troll website s****k was purged despite not having personal info (I know it because I was the one that personally archived it)
Are you talking about the sharty? They hosted dox, so it makes sense they would be banned

>>107127084
>the feds are probably shutting that down because of that website hosts cp literally i tried browsing the archive of an altchan only to be greeted by cp fuck that shit website ran by pedophiles
report it to the ncmec, archive today will take down the pages when they are requested to.
They obey the law from what i cantell.

How big is archive.org? How many terabytes?

>>107127139
That's a different website. And they are cucked because they delete stuff on demand.

>>107127139
https://archive.org/web/petabox

>>107127157
I think they dont actually delete stuff, they just delist it and make it private.

>>107126567
This is referring to breast surgeries, which are not castration.

>>107127183
Oh okay just mutilation of secondary sexual organs. Bravo Biden.

>>107127205
Gender affirming surgery isn't mutilation. Kill yourself.

>>107125701
>csam
>sextortion
>speech
thats a retarded fucking false equivalence if i see one

>>107127205
>you're not allowed to remove the man-tits (gynecomastia) of obese men

>>107127183
its basically castration for women, like and angel that has lost its wings

>>107127222
This isn't about men's man-tits being removed. This is MINOR. Little girls' tits being removed. Their vagina being cut and a fake penis created. A little boy's penis being cut off and shaped into a fake hole.

>>107127242
You're not a doctor. Medical professionals and science have concluded that GAS is appropriate for children.

>>107127213
You are removing perfectly functional organs in order to conform the body of the patient to their delusions, instead of helping them accept themselves as what they are.

This shit will be looked back at in history as complete savagery. Like lobotomies and blood letting.

>>107127242
>he thinks all surgeries are for that group of people
>proceeds to completely destroy the possibility of receiving treatment for years
*facepalm*

Next ban all hormones and supplements for bodybuilders.

>>107127213
>>107127258
Kill yourself you disgusting tranny pedo.

>>107127258
https://grokipedia.com/page/World_Professional_Association_for_Transgender_Health#suppression-of-contradictory-research-and-dissent

Based upon fake studies used to push ideology

>>107127268
>>107127273
>>107127275
You don't get to selectively choose what science you want to believe in. Science is science and I'm not taking shit from you. Kill yourself.

>>107127242
>their vagina being cut and a fake penis created. A little boy's penis being cut off and shaped into a fake hole.
Source on this happening to minors?

>>107127282
The argument is literally "we tell our patient what makes them feel better". That's not science you tard.

>>107126511
It's not lawless. They remove CP.

>>107127292
>The argument is literally "we tell our patient what makes them feel better". That's not science you tard.
source?

>>107127215
>thats a retarded fucking false equivalence if i see one
How is it a false equivalence? It's a form of speech. Just one not covered by the first amendment, since it involves abuse in its creation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_v._Ferber

>>107127292
First, do no harm.
If studies show that affirming people makes them kill themselves less, and medical treatments help them live longer, it aligns with the Hippocratic oath to provide the best level of care.

Affirmation is the best level of care. That isn't debatable. Simply being evil and pointing and laughing at people in pain does not lessen their pain.

I took the Oath and practice medicine.

>>107127282
>Science has never been wrong
Unironically kill yourself.

>>107127285
It's his fetish since he can't stop talking about it

>>107127282
Yeah, actually, you do. Science is constantly reevaluating itself.

>>107127317
Wrong. You're a bad doctor. Gender reassignment has never had a clinical trial vs placebo.

>>107127334
** HRT** has never had a clinical trial vs placebo. i misspoke

>>107125507 (OP)
no archiving website has my full respect if they don't make their whole data easily downloadable.

>>107127317
>>107127319
>>107127329
>>107127334
>>107127344
Nobody cares about trannies, shut the fuck up

>>107127334
There generally aren't placebo controlled studies on ANY SURGERY because of ethics you fucking retard. How do you placebo a surgery, you stupid nigger? are you braindead? do you just say "Well, we said we cut your dick off!"

>>107127317
You do harm either way. The argument is that letting people be deluded is less harmful than trying to help them stop being deluded.

Like someone believes they are a rabbit. And letting them believe they are a rabbit turns out to make the patient happier than treating their delusion. Yeah sure you are minimizing harm, but you are also not doing your job. That patient will never be a real person. They will sit around in a cage and eat carrots. It's shallow view of what it means to help people.

>>107127334
lol you have no fucking clue how science and medicine work

>>107127356
i corrected myself, i meant HRT, which is the beginning of gender affirming care. it could easily be tested against placebo in treating the symptoms of depression and gender dysphoria. but it hasn't

>>107127366
HRT, not gender reassignment. i already corrected myself, and what i said is true.

>>107127363
that rabbit would kill themselves if they weren't allowed to hop around and eat carrots

>>107126567
>>107127205
It's talking about gynecomastia, fucking retard.

https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/gender-affirming-surgeries-rarely-performed-on-transgender-youth/
>the study found that cisgender males accounted for the vast majority of breast reductions, with 80% of surgeries among adults performed on cisgender men and 97% of surgeries among minors performed on cisgender male teens.

>>107127363
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33531255/
there are plenty more placebo controlled trials. stop making up lies.

>>107127378
Harvard is the school that hosts Hamas activists. I wouldnt trust them on politically sensitive topics like transgender surgeries of minors.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S174360951730108X

>>107127420
you selectively being picky and choosy again, only to suite your narrative, too cowardly to reply to me when you got BTFO here >>107127386

>>107127386
Quoted wrong post?

>>107127378
>97% of surgeries among minors performed on cisgender
Transgender people make up less than 1% of the population. And obviously the argument is not about fat boys removing their mcdonalds titties, but about young girls having their breast tissue mutilated.

>>107125624
musk doesn't want an uncontrolled internet
he wants to control it himself
that's why he wants all the traffic to go through his websites where he controls the message and promotes his own tweets

>>107127440
No, its you picking and choosing to suit your narrative. The main body for doctors recommendation comes from WPATH. >>107127275
And WPATH has been leaked where its confirmed and that their studies are fake and cherry picked to push an ideology.

>>107125744
this explain so much shit!

>>107127466
not gonna bother with you anymore, you're a loser and an idiot.

I'm glad Zorhan won. I voted for him.

>>107127495
I'm sure the mayor of one city is going to fix everything in the country

>>107127495
Thats okay, I told you earlier that you were a communist and you tried so hard to deny it, but here you are freely conceding.

>>107127499
yup. NY gonna be so fucking amazing with real socialist politics it sends a shockwave where everyone adopts it.

>>107127511
He can't adopt socialism, because the mayor lacks the power to make such changes. It's a huge nothing burger.

>>107127517
wrong. NYC mayorship is stronger than most places.

>>107127527
He still can't change the economic and political system of the city.

>>107125507 (OP)
Meanwhile illegal torrent search engines are still up

>>107125567
its like bringing up jan 6. its to remind any richfag reading this that they cant let the little people ever dare to sit ontop of their heads.

>>107125579
people are more suspectible to suggestion when they are highly stressed.

>>107125701
>No one believes in or wants totally unrestricted speech.

you mean, nobody born after 2001 who has grown up in a dystopia where they think 'hate speech' is a real thing.

I want unrestricted speech. I was raised to crave it. I lived in a world with it.

>but child po

use to be legal until the 1980s, and it wasnt a big deal until the media lied about it and claimed organized criminal elements were cruising around, kidnapping children, using them in satanic rituals, and then selling snuff films about it as a business model. It was a complete fabrication much like most modern reporting on csam. And why did they rename it to csam? Because most illegal content, something crazy like 90++% of it, is literally just teenagers taking pictures and videos of themselves, sharing it with their friends, then it gets picked up by scrappers who redistribute it. Oh no, Becky the high school student took a picture of her vagina, posted it on social media on accident, and some third world bot copied it. What a horrible crime this is, quickly arrest becky for posting cp!

>>107127726
Born 2000. I think hate speech is a real thing but it should be legal.

>>107125579
babylon is fallen

>>107126125
>an official name change
By what act of congress?

>>107125507 (OP)
You know what to do guys. ARCHIVE! ARCHIVE EVERYTHING!

so what's the best way to get around a paywall if this gets shut down?

I smell a little bit of psyop when a thread about the government forcibly suppressing one of very few neutral archiving websites, is instantly and brutally derailed into being about transgender health insurance. I don't know about you but it's slightly fishy!

>>107128298
i think its just /g/ users being retarded.
we don't know for sure that the government is trying to surpress the archive site, but we dont know much of anything about this yet.
It could be a nothingburger but there is a small chance its something fishy with kashapp patel trying to cover shit up

>>107127033
>He doesn't know
https://libreboot.org/faq.html#hddssd-firmware

>>107125507 (OP)
Holy shit so is that why I kept having "timed out" errors when trying to access some bookmarks a few days ago? is it just this site (and its mirrors) being targeted or is it just a matter of time before they go for the other ones?

>>107125507 (OP)
I HATE THE ANTI-CHRIST

>>107127171
No, they actually do straight up delete shit from their servers if companies send a DMCA request their way.

>>107125701
That's not speech... Images and sex crimes are not speech .....

The subpoena explicitly instructs the site not to disclose its existence, suggesting that the FBI is trying to maintain operational stealth. This raises questions about what kind of criminal activity is being pursued, whether it involves digital preservation, data manipulation, or something more obscure. The lack of public details makes it difficult to assess whether this is a targeted investigation or part of a larger surveillance framework.

>>107128298
Stop noticing things or else you're a tranny. You aren't a tranny, are you?

>>107129189
>That's not speech... Images and sex crimes are not speech .....
sextortion involves a threat. a threat is a form of speech.
most images are covered under the first ammendment according to the courts, the only exceptions are CP, obscenity, and i guess immediate threats.

>>107129548
>obscenity
oh yeah this actually covers text as well. You can actually be prosecuted for obscene text in the usa.

another article came out:
https://www.theverge.com/news/815691/fbi-subpoena-archive-is-owner

>>107129609
https://archive.is/https://www.theverge.com/news/815691/fbi-subpoena-archive-is-owner

>>107129252
Don't overthink it faggot. Non-disclosure of a warrant or subpoena has been a standard clause for almost two decades.

>>107125701
>Whats wrong with that?
What's wrong with the statement "every dictator dreams of an uncontrolled internet"? Well, the fact that it's the complete opposite of reality and no dictators advocate or make efforts to keep the internet uncontrolled.

Not even Reich believes his own shit, the lie isn't told to be believed, it's told to show his political allies that it's OK to tell enormous lies, and it's told to tell his political enemies that his side is willing to pretend to believe anything, it's an intimidation tactic.

>>107128376
>we don't know for sure that the government is trying to surpress the archive site,
I'll spoil it for you. They are

>>107128376
>we don't know for sure that the government is trying to surpress the archive site
There is literally zero reason to unmask the person behind it OTHER THAN to leak it/make it vulnerable to a FOIA request, and hence enable hundreds of frivolous lawsuits to be filed against them. That's it. If you want to subpoena a user violating someone's copyright you don't need to know who any of the site staff are.

This exact tactic was used against gun owners in California. They passed a bill turning their info over to some "gun violence researchers" at a university, rejecting amendments to anonymize the data, and less than a month after the data was sent their entire dox were uploaded to a public-facing server. Oops. Whoopsie daisies!

Now ask yourself what possible purpose, other than leaking, that information served? Same is true here, there is no other purpose.

KASH PATEL FUCK OFF TO WALHALLA YOU BLOODY BASTARD BENCHOD

>>107125507 (OP)
>maybe we should go after pedos, serial killers and drug dealers?
>NO, instead we should go after piracy and people who try archive stuff
i am so tired of this shithole

YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A NEWSPAPER

>>107126512
Everyone wants freedom of speech while they're in opposition. Once they're in power, not so much.

>>107126497
>let me edit articles to more accurately reflect the "truth"
no.

>>107129609
>sir, another article came out

>>107125963
>it requires good sources
It requires sources which the majority of moderators there decide are good.

Any examination of a contentious page's history is just a perfect copy of Orwell's ministry of truth, even down to changing names. Just look at "1948 Palestinian expulsion and flight", an English description, which has been re-packaged as "Nakba", a non-English term. Demand that this event be given a descriptive English name, on the English article, and you will be banned. If you don't use terminology in a foreign language which inherently validates the political aspirations of one group of people, you cannot contribute to Wikipedia.

You'll also find that reading through both articles, the older you go the less emotive and more descriptive the language. The more recent citations are to articles from papers which cover daily news, the less recent are to historical and scholarly books and essays. These article citations, across all of Wikipedia, are steadily replacing long-form sources.

Wikipedia editors don't have time to read books, they're editing wikipedia. They wake up, read their chosen news source, and then type the opinions of the authors into the website they maintain. The only problem with this approach is that this website claims to be an encyclopedia.

>>107127258
>Medical professionals
Medical professionals in Nazi Germany with all kinds of credentials, professed that jews are subhuman. Trust experts.

>>107131310
More recently doctors were also professing that filtered cigarettes were healthy

>>107125800
This lol, and block chain time layered omni wiki aggregate
Because knowledge is timelessly more valuable than currencies

>>107129897
But there's no real evi- have you observed anything?

>>107131340
also margarine

>>107125701
Sextortion? Really? At least with CP you could attempt to moralfag shame me, not that I care but sextortion? You even want me to pretend to give a shit about it?

>>107129548
It also involves me giving a fuck about it. Which I do not.

>>107131310
I trust Nazi experts.

>>107125507 (OP)
That's super. Where are the Epstein files, though?

>>107126080
>Stuff like Reason, WSJ, Reuters are fully trusted.
They are not right-wing.

>>107125507 (OP)
Why care when WaybackMachine exists?

>>107132526
The Wayback Machine does not cover 4chan or a lot of Reddit.

>>107126216
>>107126188
>>107131229
Wikipedia only allows whitelisted corporate media and published books as sources, and then assumes it's true. This is extremely retarded in the internet age. Using actual proof instead of the claims of a corpo is not allowed.

Then they are very politically biased in their choice of valid sources. But even excluding that, trusting ANY media or publisher, while banning proof is just retarded.

>>107127726
Stop larping as a oldfag.

>>107125507 (OP)
Jews are really, really tired of you documenting their crimes and ever-shifting narratives and then shoving it in their faces later with your little irrelevant "archive link", like it even matters what they said 3 months ago.

Jews have the right to be wrong sometimes and their actions forgiven and forgotten, you know. You're just causing antisemitism and denying 40 BEHEADED BABIES IN OVENS. You monster.

>>107126061
Primarily it's jews.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fYhoY

>>107125693
404 Media is the home base of Maiberg. It should be shunned and ignored just because of this.

>>107132581
>The Wayback Machine does not cover 4chan or a lot of Reddit.
theres a bunch of other archivers that automatically archive 4chan. archive today is used to save other stuff

>>107133347
>Maiberg
Huh?

>>107133240
will the jews one day try to outlaw/censor the new testament i wonder?

>>107134400
Way ahead of you.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6421233/Jewish-leaders-call-religious-texts-carry-warnings-highlighting-anti-Semitic-passages.html

https://www.ncregister.com/cna/house-antisemitism-bill-raises-concerns-over-use-of-bible-verses-free-speech

>>107134400
well they've only been trying to for like 2000 years

>>107133611
Emanuel Maiberg is a jewish anti-ai crusader who has made it his mission to fight ai porn. He has repeatedly clashed with 4channers.

>>107134550
When he's not fighting AI he's writing pulitzer-worthy investigative journalism about the world of online porn.

>>107134550
>Anti-AI porn jew
He doesn't want the shiksa rape and degradation pipeline to dry up.

>>107134550
>>107133347
>Conflating the news with the page
KYS subhuman.

https://www.heise.de/en/news/Archive-today-FBI-Demands-Data-from-Provider-Tucows-11066346.html
Happy now?

>>107133326
Retard. It's countless "activist" groups, NGOs, and little cliques of obsessive autists.

See:
https://www.wired.com/story/wikipedia-culture-war/

https://saisobserver.org/2024/12/04/the-weaponization-of-wikipedia-to-globalize-the-intifada/

https://ia.acs.org.au/article/2024/really-frustrating-aussie-wikipedia-editors-burn-out.html

https://nypost.com/2025/03/10/business/wikipedia-disrupted-by-edit-wars-to-manipulate-pages-on-war-in-gaza-report/

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-23354613

https://www.pcworld.com/article/481318/wild_wars_of_wikipedia.html

https://journals.aom.org/doi/abs/10.5465/amd.2023.0219

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4990973

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-59081611

https://nypost.com/2024/06/25/opinion/wikipedias-lefty-bias-measured-in-study-but-ive-felt-it-firsthand/

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-left-wing-bias-of-wikipedia/

https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-national-call-for-armenians-to-edit-wikipedia/

https://www.scrippsnews.com/world/armenia-to-citizens-pen-wikipedia-pages-to-promote-culture

Note that all of these are far more recent than your 15 year old youtube clip as well.

>>107135213
>screenshot of some post you made on /pol/
Cool. I accept your concession.

>>107126080
> Wrong
You're a normie.
People who have watched Wikipedia for 20 years know it's censored, and censored by intricate CCP style bureaucratic mazery by editors in-the-know. You're not in-the-know, so you view the methodology as transparent and heckin' valid.
It's also turned into a misandrist hate machine, with every notable man having a specially crafted rape history. Not the truth, of course, but rumors, and reports, and Twitter dogpiles, all dutifully reported on in the MSM by embedded feminist reporters laundering the rumors into facts, and so must haves on every man's Wikipedia page.
They're so politically biased that they ban anyone who identifies as a pedophile, or I guess anyone any feminist can smear as a pedophile, which is anyone attracted to anyone under the age of 18, or in the case of Leonardo DiCaprio, under the age of 25.
That's not obvious political bias? You're joking.
Picrel is the Wikipedia conference failshooter.

>>107135122
Oh that's a relief. I'm sure the jews quit doing that 15 years ago. And that they're not ever involved with any NGOs. Or media companies that wrote any of these articles. And aren't known for "accuse others of that which you are doing". Because they have abandoned any aims of narrative control.

"Flood the zone" all you want with links, I'm not going to waste my afternoon proving you wrong. Nice try though.

>>107137126
What's censored on wikipedia?

>>107125701
Anon, the pizza spammers only exist because of restrictions on speech. They flood threads and websites they don't like in order to force them to be taken down. CP was legal once upon a time and it was a tiny niche that made very little money. Banning it has greatly increased both the amount that has been made and the level of abuse involved in making it.

>>107125507 (OP)
>Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right,

>>107125507 (OP)
Why not run an archive service on Hyphanet? Hard to censor Hyphanet!

>>107125579
>Why can't there be just ONE good news?
cause u dont want to use violence

>>107125507 (OP)
archive has been pretty bad for evading paywalls for like 5+ years, everyone uses web.archive.org or local addons/userscripts

>>107138518
Because archives aren't intended for the outcast web, it's for normal use.
The 2013-2018 collapsed long ago, Tor and alt-nets are dead.

>>107126511
they even remove legal websites that have proven themselves legal in court like kiwifarms, and avoid archiving things like prostitution listings the same way archive.org does
they aren't as aggressive as archive.org is on that, and they're a lot less politically motivated (like archive.org has been with things like the whole gamergate shitfest), but they sure as hell aren't usable as a distribution site for illegal stuff or even gray area stuff

>>107138588
archive is hasn't removed kiwifarms and kiwifarms hasnt been proven legal in court.

>>107137429
>I'm not going to waste my afternoon proving you wrong
Because you can't, retard. Jews aren't the only people trying to edit Wikipedia to suit their agenda. Many, many other entities are, around the clock. Simple as.

>>107127540
How is searching torrent lists illegal?
They are just file links
That would be like saying google search is illegal because it links to things you think are no bueno.

>>107126125
you are a fucking faggot. of course they aren't going to change it because then that would be seen as being a rightoid. the best thing to do is to not do anthing at all. you fucking jew retard

>>107138956
why has btdigg been offline?

>>107125507 (OP)
for every archive site that dies 3 more are born

>>107138738
Kiwifarms has never lost a lawsuit, also 1st amendment.

>>107134550
Maiberg trying to protect the clan business, kek.
>You VILL pay for ze brazzers subscription.

>>107138987
Index spam. Nothing to do with legality issues.

>>107134550
>sip.jpg

>>107135291
are you implying Benjamin Netanyahu, who is currently wanted by the ICC for crimes against humanity and terrorist acts is not wanted by the ICC for crimes against humanity and terrorist acts???

I would like you to prove otherwise.
otherwise, no, I accept your concession.

>>107125579
because the people who make everything worse on purpose for their own profit never face consequences for it and aren't afraid for their safety

>>107125507 (OP)
Have to protect rich pedophiles and historical revisionists

>>107139010
thats not really my point. why is it still fucking down.

>>107138948
When you receive your PhD in antisemitism you get to stop looking things up. Your brain is a pattern recognition engine and it's very good when properly tuned (or left alone and not intentionally trained wrong).

What is your motivation for trying to convince everyone it isn't the jews? You seem really defensive about it.

>>107135213
>>107135291
>>107139097
well well well
https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/07/middleeast/turkey-issues-genocide-arrest-warrant-against-netanyahu-intl-latam

>>107135213
They do that same citation laundering in academia as well.
It’s why 25 years of Alziemers research was poisoned by a fake study.
Asians and Jeets learned how to do it as well, and it’s why they’ve traditionally been gatekept by admissions harder than any other group. Because if they ever reached critical mass they’d blot out the jewish citation schemes just through their sheer mass.

The last groups to try to seriously challenge the citation laundering schemes were elite WASP fraternities. Which is why fraternities are portrayed as dumb in (((media))), they were exclusionary rivals to in this regard.

>>107138991
IIRC they haven't really won any lawsuits either, at least with anything to do with the legality of their site.

>>107138418
>Anon, the pizza spammers only exist because of restrictions on speech. They flood threads and websites they don't like in order to force them to be taken down.
That seems like a schizo theory. When has that ever worked?

>>107126060
>it's just the tip bro

>>107139658
>When retards say retarded things...
OK

>>107125507 (OP)
>OI VEY, SHUT IT DOWN!!
It's afraid.

>>107140728
Yes. Some 4chan archive sites have had to be temporarily taken down because of CP spam.
It’s no surprise the archive destroyers have moved on to bigger targets after beta testing their strategy on our mongolian hipster forum.

It's about time we gave up this illusion of helping others. It's a trap. Nobody can help anyone except themselves. It's time to embrace the individual, and climb the peak of individuality.

You are your own being, not something that your parent taught you. Elites are individuals fighting to take control of masses. This stuff will keep happening, because individualism is the biggest threat to a well oiled machine.

>>107126125
>>Reuters
>They refused to say Gulf of America, an official name change, choosing to adopt a left wing political agenda to oppose the Trump admin
Are you retarded? Reuters is NOT an American company and the "official name change" is US only. The rest of the planet goes by the UN name which is still Gulf of Mexico. Why the fuck would any foreign company start using US-only terminology?

>>107141921
Wasn't even an act of congress, there's nothing official or binding about it, it's literally just Orange Nigger proclaiming it "Gulf of America" and expecting the rest of the world to go along with it. Same as the "Department of War" fake bullshit which also isn't a real name change.

>>107138363
Ask Wikipedia faggots what happened to the Jews and Communism page and they short circuit.
>what's censored
literally any viewpoint that reasons about Jewish influence in negative ways on politics throughout history. You get small tidbits of undeniable facts (except stuff like actual verification of holocaust claims) but no reasoning about it allowed. Anything that is branded a conspiracy no matter how mundane must be written in dismissive prose. Literally anything center of right must be written in dismissive prose and this is the most insipid thing leftoid shartialists hide behind since
>erm well akshually it exists on wikipedia so um ur wrong
hordes of reactionary leftoid chuds slaved for millions of man hours rewriting and iterating thousands and thousands of articles all through the 2010's just to hide behind this. Stop being disingenuous, retard.

>>107142315
*anything that a braindead would call a conspiracy with all the insinuations that come with it

>>107142315
I mean, if a group of elite christcuck influence politics in a negative way would you kill all of them?

>>107142423
>christcuck
Your shitskin phenotype is showing. You don't have to be religious but white Christian men built practically everything. There's a minimal amount of respect warrented no matter what you believe. This doesn't hold for the horde of other groidal and pooid groups.
>would you kill all of them
By extension justifies the holocaust regardless of what actually happened. Also not what I was talking about either. Wikipedia has been a pozzed reactionary leftoid shithole since day one. Leftists just hate that the overton window has shifted so dramatically recently leaving many of them uncovered since "middle left" actually meant left and "left" meant far left. What most leftists considered far left was paramount to psychotic ideals, and they cannot hide behind their relatively smaller delta from the middle of the window anymore which makes them incredibly angry.

>>107142606
>religious but white Christian men built practically everything
More like they won the arms race, and that's the reason they are respected.

>>107142652
Coincidentally constructing everything and winning the arms race in the context of modern civilization are nearly the same thing, I will let you dwell on why. Still doesn't change the fact white christian men built modern civilization.
>inb4 muh goy slave
Yes, the intentions of lifting humanity out of a veritable global stone age that everyone else was stuck in was purely for the purpose of serving da joos.

>>107142678
>Coincidentally constructing everything
Not true.

>it's the joos
Meanwhile: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnv1lvVHh24

>>107142720
True. But you are either brown or didn't consider why since you are simply too unstudied and naive having views limited to modern /pol/.
>>107142735
>

>>107142735
why are you making me watch this garbage?

>>107125507 (OP)
> t what alleged crime is being investigated.
bruh they dont bother with that shit anymore. They arrest who they want & the judges rubber stamp it.
People are really slow at adjusting to the new normal.

>>107125507 (OP)
so last year's archive.org ddos wasn't done by israel?

>>107125793
>Grokipedia
I'm surprised because this seems actually pretty good. The name is my least favourite thing about it.

Has the FBI ever done anything good? Is this a good track record considering the FBI's 100 years history?

year*

>>107143513
no, they only provide cover for pedo elites so they can keep fucking children and sacrificing them to moloch

>>107143513
>>107143550
They should've investigated big pharma for crimes against humanity and conspiracy to genocide. Any random citizen can investigate them and find them guilty, much less the FBI, there's plenty of public information that proves their guilt. Plenty of airtight cases and plenty of death penalties.

>>107143572
>15-30 million excess deaths
the ruling class still sucks air

>>107143580
>>107143572
>The charges officer?

What should the punishments be for picrel?

>>107143550
It's funny, now that I think of it Ted Gunderson started to spread awareness on Satanic Cults, HT and SRA only when he left the FBI.

>>107126080
>al jazeera and al manar are reliable
>fox news, sky news, new york post aren't

>>107143663
https://grokipedia.com/page/Ted_Gunderson#key-investigations-and-theories

>>107143240
Woah there with the antisemitism, buddy. It was a small clique of autists working for a nameless NGO. Not jews. You can't say they were jews.

>>107126125
why not just say 'the gulf' and avoid the entire issue