Thread 107160266

But that's a completely fair and reasonable post

>>107160276
i hate when someone i hate says something i agree with

Use case for insults?

>>107160276
Ebussy is wrong.
Animations don't make computer use easier for cripples.
It's the opposite.

>>107160266 (OP)
>people with disabilities should not use computers
i don't see why gnome is complaining about that considering how much they crippled accessibility features over wayland

>>107160266 (OP)
which is the green site? rule34?

>>107160276
ebussy made a false statement (animations are for accessibility) and a strawman (who said people with disabilities should not use computers?).

If a window goes from non-existent into fullscreen with a 300ms animation on 30 fps (gnome cant do more), it has barely 9 frames to go from no-size to covering a 24" monitor.
Without an animation - so simply pop into existence - it is easier to handle for people with disabilities.

>>107160313
Phoronix

Which is ironic, since phoronix censored hard in the past month to kick out people who mentioned Jeremy Bicha in threads about Gnome.

>Defending animations in DE design
This must be like being a battered wife

>>107160266 (OP)
does the reduced animation setting not remove animations, and hes defending that?

I don't care about ableism (or however that is called), but in a public discussion, where you argue that you did something because you cared soo soo much about cripples, i would not use 'moron' as an insult.

Using GNOME is a disability.

>>107160266 (OP)
Our king speaketh words of wisdom yet again

Gnome always goes on about accessibility but no disabled person is even using Gnome except for the mentally disabled.
And I bet their accessibility features are complete dog shit like the rest of the desktop.

REDEEM THE ANIMATIONS SAAR

>>107160650
It's a RedHat project and corpos have to implement government mandated accessibility stuff.
Therefor Gnome implements the required stuff and claims to care about accessibility, while in reality they don't give a fuck outside of what is mandated.

There are two litmus tests:
>are there accessibility features inside settings?
Government mandated accessibility has to be implemented by default. A high contrast setting you have to enable in a preferences menu doesn't matter, it is considered to not exist in the first place.
>did they remove symbols from buttons or context menus?
Government mandates symbols to be friendly for all kinds of vision impaired people, and the easiest way to adhere to this is to... simply not have symbols at all! You don't have to care about mandated rules if you don't have it!... firefox removed the icons out of context menus for that reason.

Both of those things make accessibility objectively worse, while by law you are more compliant.

>>107160266 (OP)
did ebussy finally snap?

>>107160650
saving this gem of a post

>>107160386
It's a great thing Cinnamon allows disabling them.

>>107160266 (OP)
What the fuck is the green site?

>>107160815
use case for snapping?

>>107160962
learn to read, he clearly says it

>>107160266 (OP)
What makes you think site colour is a metric?

Here's what made ebussy mad:
https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1589983-gtk-adds-reduced-motion-accessibility-option-to-follow-macos-windows-others

>>107160266 (OP)
Lol I just know ebussy from fucking 4chin, I had to fact check that post, it's real. Eh b-based?

https://mastodon.social/@ebassi/115514732806916070
NigOP

>>107160761
>use case for toilets?
>what makes you think gorgeous looks are a metric?

>>107161052
you mean picrel?

>>107160266 (OP)
>The piss babies on the green site forum
Thought that meant us. Phoronix hasn't ever been relevant.

>>107161052
use case for mad ?

>>107160313
>which is the green site?
umm... 4chan?

>>107160325
/thread

>>107160266 (OP)
jokes aside, imageboards, and forums on the majority of foss sites are full of complete schizos and retards. I am using linux, minding my own business 99% of the time, then I for no reason look here or there, see insane posts, and think, is this what "linux community" really is? Bunch of schizos, retards. and troons?
Meanwhile, gnome developers are insane and completely detached. Ability to turn animations off is good for everyone including disabled people. Also ability to customize UI is good for disabled people, when you are able to set huge buttons, huge font, and custom colors for colorblind people. customization is necessary for accessibility, and is good. gnome looks pretty, but it is insane. and this idiot is insane. and everyone is insane. maybe i am insane as well, anyways fuck everyone.

>>107160266 (OP)
use case for green site forum?
use case for bussy?
use case for use case?
use case for people with disabilities?
use case for dickheads?
use case for dicks?

>>107161734
>ever even considering a Nintendo product
>not only that, but buying LEGOs instead of the Nintendo shit product
For all my hate for Nintendo cultists, there must be a special type of retards that are buying LEGOs instead.

What is a piss baby?

>>107160992
Use case for reading comprehension?

>>107161889
what makes you think reading is a metric?

>>107161052
He is literally right. Old people and poor sight people benefit a lot from the animations

>>107161894
How do people with a tendency for motion sickness benefit from lots of fast motion?

>>107161902
use case for motion sickness? just disable it

>>107161382
>>what makes you think gorgeous looks are a metric?
Very nice, here's a (you) for you.

>>107161902
Motion sickness people don't benefit

>>107161902
Motion sickness "people" have no place in ze Gnome Reich

>>107160358
kek
you can never be woke enough, you will always be outwoken

>>107161734
>bussy is a tendie
lmao
Looking at the aboslute state of /v/ he would fit right in with the rest of the unhingen nin10yearolds.

but i do disable all animations and the disabled should be disalived

rofl

>>107162139
How does being able to turn off animations affect disabled people in any way? They can just not turn them off if they wish?

>>107162171
you desktop needs to be accessible to the disabled cop that is raiding your house chud

>>107160266 (OP)
That's it, add him to the sticky NOW

>>107162171
It's all so tiresome, windows requires one thousand registry tweaks to make usable because the system is hodgepot of backwards compatibility and shareholder trends, excusable in my opinion
this piece of shit de requires ten thousand extensions and hacks because of developers' sheer hatred and disdain towards the user, miserable

>>107162171
stop asking questions

>>107161450
The least colorblind 4channel user

>>107160276
we're only being ironic when we posts "use case" "what makes you think X is a metric?", the fact that faggots like you fell for the meme and believe that he do have substantial arguments are why this board sucks balls.
also >>107160325

>>107161459
Some retard posted to the Alpine mailing list this morning saying he was going to kill everyone for some reason.
I really wonder what train of thought led to that email being sent.

I think ebussy is a cool guy, the more I read his comments the more I like him

>>107161052
I hate boomers so much it's unreal

>>107160266 (OP)
lmao I was 100% certain he was referring to 4chan when he said green site forum. it was like the perfect punchline.

>>107160325
Idk anon I was getting 144fps on an Intel n100.

>>107162455
I was getting 500 fps on an Intel Core 2 Duo

>>107162596
I was getting 1010 fps on an Intel i5-2500k

>>107160266 (OP)
what the actual fuck does any of that mean?
maybe i'm getting too old for this place

Phoronix is now a Chud site? Lmaoo

use case for animations?

>>107162700
saving the disabled

>>107161859
I'm not sure, but it sure sounds like Ebussy is self-reporting his fetishes.

>>107160266 (OP)
Did he really say this?

This bussi guy is such a douchebag.

>gnome adds an option
>phoronix forums have a total meltdown
use case for technology boards other than /g/?

>>107160266 (OP)
didn't GNOME call the people asking for better accessibility options nazis? can they pick a side already?

>>107162989
they rightfully called out concern trolling learn to chud

>>107160358
>Jeremy Bicha
now that's a name I haven't heard in a while. anything interesting ever happen after he got the boot from Canonical?

>>107163005
Gets mentioned every now and then in Debian and Gnome spaces and whoever mentions him gets banned very swiftly and the current discussion stalls.

No idea if he even does anything anymore.

>>107163002
>concern trolling
not a thing

>>107160266 (OP)
Aren't all babies "piss babies"? Does he assume that most babies don't piss?

>>107163084
>pretending to care isn't a thing
but i'm doing it right now

based as always

>>107162389
She's right. Animations are bloat.

>>107160266 (OP)
He is losing it.
Any predictions when he will leave Gnome?

>>107163005
>got the boot from Canonical
Oh, this happened? I'm kinda surprised

>"people with disabilities should not use computers"
Who is she quoting? I expect more from a GNOME contributor than to spread misinformation and hatred, especially a senior developer who wields power over such an important FLOSS project. And we all know who will bear the cost for her indiscriminate language - Bassi just put a target on all disabled trans flolk's backs.

>>107160266 (OP)
>that's your misinterpretation

>>107163741
I'm surprised he never gets replies like this on mastodon

The only use case for GNOME is to make way for superior DEs like Cinnamon and Cosmic.

>>107160386
>xfce4
i prefer ratpoison myself

>>107164033
smallest dick energy post award

>>107164645
the anon was literally just making a pun

>>107161894
...What?

>>107161052
>Disabling every animation is not an accessibility setting
...What?

It... is...? I mean, are screen readers going to go "WAVY MOTION YOU HAVE NO MINIMIZED THIS APPLICATION" to poor folks? No, it's going to fucking read the screen. Turning off the animations IS an accessibility thing for faster screen switching there and in other UseCase?.meme's.

Footfags have lost the plot. Not that that hasn't been the case for the Foot since inception.

The most retarded part about this entire thread is thinking Accessibility == Disability
No wonder shit's so fucked in FOSS.

>>107164720
It's not FOSS.
This is Gnome, as a Red Hat project, having to fulfill government accessibility requirements since the NSA is one of Red Hat's biggest customers for desktop workstations.

>>107164720
please don't equate gnome with foss in general

>>107164739
Not understanding accessibility on a fundamental level and just doing it for a check-list is why it's so shit to begin with, is my point.

>>107164760
It's not much better elswhere.

>>107160313
Moronix

>>107164802
>"moron" is ableist
Mental illness. Ebussy should double down and call that fag retarded.

>>107160266 (OP)
what thread he refering to?

>>107160313
Does he ever talk about us?

>>107164980
on occasion.

I'm glad it's Friday already.

>99% of /g/ never worked a day of their life, because Ebussy is actually quite tame for enterprise stuff.


Disabling animations makes everything feel 10x better.
>My laptop without animations feels faster than SSH.

>>107160815
No, he flatpaked.

>>107164676
pun? (i was, but it needs to be asked, for the bit)

>>107164645
rat poison is super lightweight, idk about small dick, but its definitely small footprint
i like i3 and dwm too, no need to get so aggressive though, i said ratpoison, not mouse poison

>>107162139
I get motion sickness from even the smallest amount of animation. Even typing and using my mouse is difficult.
Where is my accessibility setting to turn this shit off?

>>107165845
search up carlo rossi.
drink a cup.
that does the trick for me

if that's not up your alley, try a lemonade with salt and mineral water, no sugar or any sweeteners. (just water, lemon, salt, to taste)
that also works for me.

and the latter keeps you hydrated.

>>107160266 (OP)
Use case for disabilities?

>>107164688
>...What?
Real (analog) world is based on animations. Things MOVE into your view, they don't just pop out of nowhere. When you hunt in a forest, the deer will MOVE (animate) themselves from point A to point B, they won't just teleport.
SO it makes complete sense to have animations for people who have never used a computer before. When you open files, you should see the file manager window slowly grow (in an animated way) from it's icon until it reaches the full screen. That way the old person who has never used a computer before will instinctively know where the window came from. And when that old person switches to a different workspace, there will be a natural, analog looking sliding animation, as if you were working on a real world drawn tablet and it was swapped out with another tablet.

It all makes so much sense if you just think about it.

>>107164980
he said we are malding

>>107165913
>Real (analog) world is based on animations. Things MOVE into your view, they don't just pop out of nowhere. When you hunt in a forest, the deer will MOVE (animate) themselves from point A to point B, they won't just teleport.
As strange as it may sound, things do pop in into your vision. we see only a small part in the centre. The rest is actually black and white, but also seen with a delay. Brains do add and fill in a lot of information.

>>107160266 (OP)
Based. He's right. I still turn off animations though. Sorry.

>>107160358
So basically, moronix at least tries to moderate their site from schizo spam?

>>107160811
>Government mandates symbols to be friendly for all kinds of vision impaired people, and the easiest way to adhere to this is to... simply not have symbols at all!
I love malicious legal compliance. Just sets the tone for how utterly inept and pointless the legal system is and the people who write the laws.

>>107165913
The animation is provided by your own body. When you click the mouse button, your finger animates. You don't need an additional animation played afterward. That's pure time wasting.

>>107160266 (OP)
what the fuck is a piss baby? also I didn't know ebussy banted. why did /g/ say he was cringe again?

>>107166007
What about Jeremy Bicha is "schizo spam"?

>>107165913
Lots of words, but you didn't think it through.
Every person that gets motion sick will tell you that it is harder for them with animations than without. JUST FUCKING ASK THEM. They aren't rare, your vision impaired grandpa might be able to tell you already.
>things move into your view
We are talking about e.g. an window expanding over a >21" monitor, covering your view by motion in less than 300ms. And the worst thing about those is that they aren't smooth and will never be.
The expanding window has content, content that wraps. One frame will take longer than another. Even if you average at 100fps, it doesn't mean that there aren't huge spikes in frame time inside.
>they don't just pop out of nowhere
Blink.
Go from a dark room (cave if you want) into a light one. The human eye can deal with transition changes. Blinking doesn't cause a person to get motion sick. The transition from light to dark doesn't either.
Therefor a fading animation isn't causing motion sickness, but expanding and morphing and moving does.

>>107164770
>Not understanding accessibility on a fundamental level and just doing it for a check-list is why it's so shit to begin with, is my point.
Which is the commercial point of view.
Your point is that the commercialization of Gnome is to blame and that this problem wouldn't exist with more FOSS.
KDE doesn't have that issue. KDE doesn't even have to fucking ask that question. They just have a slider for animation speed that goes from slow to instant. And they implemented this because it is what the user wanted, not what a commercial entity on government contract wanted.

>>107166799
>KDE doesn't have that iss-*KRASHES*

>>107165832
>>107164033
>t.

>>107160266 (OP)
Why didn't anyone tell him the conversation's getting a little heated?

>>107161392
quick rundown on hyprland?

>>107160313
Anon where on rule 34 are they gonna talk about gnome? On all the Konqi porn?

>>107161902
what makes you think motion sickness is a metric?

>>107162139
Imagine being so retarded that a gui animation grabs your attention LMAOAOAOAO.

>>107161382
>>what makes you think gorgeous looks are a metric?

This fucker is psychotic, I disable all animations on everything because I don't want the latency.

>>107165913
no.
if i look at different things on my desk, for example, my eyes don't smoothly move between them, they snap almost instantly to each thing i want to look at. this is called saccadic eye movement. as far as what's in my field of view, i go from looking at one thing to almost instantly looking at another thing. animation-less uis are like this for me, like a saccadic movement to another physical object, once i want to look at something, i want it to appear immediately, like real life

>>107165913
>it makes complete sense to have animations for people who have never used a computer before
maybe, but it's not like people asking for an option to turn them off are saying to have them off by default or get rid of them for everyone
there are also people who have used a computer before
>instinctively know where the window came from
idk about that, people didn't have an issue when say, in windows 3.1, you double click on an icon, and a window appears, it doesn't take a genius to correlate that the window is related to the icon even without animations. basic cause-and-effect

>>107160564
dunning kreuger in full effect

>>107160815
Because of the constant bullying from /g/

>>107160266 (OP)
what animations is he even talking about? i've used gnome (with extensions) for years and i don't remember anything flashy

How much do you guys think Microsoft pays Ebussy to sabotage Linux with Gnome?

>>107170273
Nothing they have footage of him raping a child they gave him.

>>107160564
>>107160266 (OP)

Based

>>107170155
Everything always moves in Gnome, when you switch workspaces it slides from one to another, when you go into this overview view it zooms and moves, when you open that fullscreen menu it does so as well. It always changes the whole content of your screen in motion.
You don't even have to suffer from motion sickness to dislike this, the workspace sliding is something during which i focus on something else, because it is uncomfy.

>>107169901
>>107165913
It is almost as if motion in nature conveys something important that needs immediate attention.
A moving deer is important, a moving predator is important. When you experience lots of motion in nature, you need to get ready for something stressful.
Meanwhile a rapid change, like a blink, needs to be ignored and gets cut out by your brain.
There are animals that have their eyes develop for movement. Like everything that hunts during the night. They don't care about color, are color blind to some extend, but if there is some tiny movement in the grass 100m away, the owl will recognize it and go for it, as there could be a mouse.

The muh nature argument is actually very much against animations.
But that wont stop Gnomies to use it, because they make a decision and then lie and make up shit to defend it and tell people what they are supposed to think.

>>107161350
There is an actual disabled person in that thread (Asuka avatar) making good points and those dickheads simply decided to ignore him.

>>107166910
my computer has been on for 2 months and kde still hasnt krashed lol

animations are inefficient I disable all of them

>>107160564
>i really don't mind that's why i read all of it
classic

>>107160293
The original Mac OS had an animation showing folders expanding to the window that it would take up
This helps normies and people with cognitive disabilities understand the relationship between the thing they just clicked on and the new window that popped up
You can fuck around with one at https://infinitemac.org/

>>107160266 (OP)
>people
Who?
>just people no source FUCK YOU
So you're just making shit up
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
What a faggot.

>>107167772
We should be talking about the severe lack of Konqi porn.

>>107162343
>he was going to kill everyone
cringest impotent nigger trash there is.

>>107171190
>Everything always moves in Gnome, when you switch workspaces it slides from one to another
Good.

>>107171190
>The muh nature argument is actually very much against animations.
It literally isn't you nigger, when you turn around and a dried up tranny with a knife is right up your face without any warning you jump back.

>>107160266 (OP)
>animations are inefficient I disable all of them
I feel seen.

>>107161338
Stop typing like a goddamn fruitcake, son. Sort yourself out.

>>107161459
You must be one, otherwise you wouldn't be here.

>>107161734
That thing is like 400 bux and looks like ass.

>>107162317
He would probably know if he still had accessibility features available to him.

>>107160266 (OP)
Small animation that serve a purpose (where is the thing coming from, and where is it going) are fine, especially when they're fast.
But when I see an 800ms crossfade of an entire window every time you click a navigation item...

>>107172271
This is such a disgrace.
No wonder lego is going down the shitter, with adult babies willing to pay more for less.

Why is ebussy always so angry and seething so hard?

I recommend slowing down.

>>107172853
Because he works so hard to offer a free operating system to freeloaders who complain instead of being grateful for the work of volunteers.

>>107172885
Why doesn't he just stop working hard to offer a free operating system to freeloaders who complain instead of being grateful for the work of volunteers?

btw. ebussy is not a volunteer

>>107173033
This is getting heated.

>>107173033
>btw. ebussy is not a volunteer
he is
he doesnt work for redhat

>>107173060
ebussy develops Gnome for Igalia, he gets paid for it.
He does nothing for free and nothing voluntary.
And Igalia itself is a prostitution company ("consulting"). You pay them for their developers to implement what you want into FOSS projects.

>>107173164
his job at igalia is not GTK developer, its vulkan, accessibility and multimedia in relation to their other projects (which is mostly browsers). He's not paid for shit like gtk's css rendering engine

>>107173454
Igalia isn't a non-profit, so they don't have to report as much and they don't tell us what they speciically got paid for.
We know that the German Sovereign Tech Fund threw money at them for Servo and Accessibility. At the same time, the same fund threw money into the Gnome Foundation for Accessibility as well.
https://www.sovereign.tech/tech/gnome

If ebussy isn't paid for his a11y work in gtk, then idk wtf this guy is doing, and he should stop doing that immediately, because he clearly hates it and he clearly does >>107160811 malicious compliance rather than actually caring about what morons and cripples need.

>>107166072
blame bureaucrats
courts generally dont take bullshit and go with the "spirit" of the law

being a lawfag the massive difference in iq between these people is obvious
bureaucrats are barely intelligent enough to wipe their own arse, all they can do is count the beans and rubber stamp documents
meanwhile the courts will continue to debate until absolutely clear the precise meaning and intent of the law as it applies to this particular case, considering past precedents while ensuring that established legal principles and protections are not violated

>>107161734
>buying something for yourself for your birthday
to think i'd find someone sadder than myself

>>107172067
This but me blowing on it's slit

>>107162171
It's about control, same as the whole KDE cashew controversy thing. Having the option to remove it is bad, ebcause what if the mythological "new user who has never used a computer before" happens to use *your* computer?? How will they know what to do without that random stupid cashew which obviously they will just intuitively know to click to do... whatever the fuck useless shit it even did. Or when KDE didn't want to let you change some settings on the theme because the designer would be sad people aren't using his ideal of what looks good. ):
I don't have examples from GNOME because I stopped using that trash over 20 years ago.

Open source software is unfortunately inundated with petty authoritarians who want to control every aspect of how you use your own computer.

>>107161459
i loved gnome 2, but gnome 3 has been nothing but a shitshow, something for me to laugh at.

>>107174363
after kde 3.5 i moved to wm's, i knew at some point what the cashew did, but i don't remember. kde 4 was basically linux's vista. technically impressive perhaps, but not asked for, and not what existing users wanted.

>>107174418
GNOME 40 was released on 24 March 2021.