Thread 107166526

>UPGRADE & BUILD ADVICE
Post build list or current specs: https://pcpartpicker.com/
Provide specific use cases
State BUDGET and COUNTRY or you will NOT be helped

>CASE
mATX: AP201, Lian Li A3, O11 Air Mini, XT M3, CH260
ATX: XT PRO (ULTRA), AIR 903 Base/MAX, Lancool 207, Flux Pro, Meshify 3, 4000D FRAME, X50
Dual Chamber: Y60/70, O11 Vision, Antec C8

>CPU
Gaming: 14600K, 9/7600X, 7800X3D
-Budget: 12400, 12600K, 7500F
Workstation: 265K, 285K, 9950X3D

*Avoid Asrock motherboards on AM5
*On Raptor Lake microcode updates should be considered mandatory, avoid second-hand

>COOLER
AIO: Thermalright Frozen Edge, Lian Li Galahad II Lite, Corsair Nautilus RS, Cooler Master Atmos, Liquid Freezer 3/Pro (unhandy mounting solution)
ITX/>42mm RAM: Mugen 6 Dual Fan, AXP120-X67

TIM: MX-6, MX-4, Duronaut

>RAM
*Prices and therefore recommendations are for the time being in flux
DDR5: 2x16GB or 2x24GB, 6000CL30 (AM5), 6400CL32 (LGA 1700)
Workstation: 2x 32GB (budget.), 2x48GB or 2x64GB (high-end)

>SSD (Keep firmware updated)
Budget: SN7100, NM790
High-end: SN850X, 990 Pro (Windows)
Premium: SN8100
https://borecraft.com/

>GPU
Budget: Arc B580, 9060xt 8gb (~$270)
-Used: 2060 Super, 2070, 2080ti
*8gb has become a major constraint even at 1080p
Midrange: 5060ti 16GB, 5070
-Used: 3080, 3080ti, 4070 (~$380)
4k : 5070ti, 9070xt
-Native: 5090

>PSU
Buying guide:
https://hwbusters.com/best_picks/best-atxv3-pcie5-ready-psus-picks-hardware-busters/

>MONITOR
1080p: 24" 165/180hz, KTC H25X7
1440p: 27" 165/180hz IPS, KTC M27T6 (miniLED), Gigabyte MO27Q28G or LG 27GX700A-B (WOLED)
4K: KTC M27P6 (miniLED)

>OS
Activate Windows @ >>>/g/fwt

>CASE FANS
Meta: Case with good stock PWM fans
Midrange: Arctic P12 Pro, P14 Pro (5-pack, loud @ higher RPM)
High-end: Fractal Momentum, Noctua G2 (140mm or 120mm)

when is the best time to buy? now? black friday? cyber monday? do I need to worry about stock? I see newegg has that price guarantee but it doesn't go through cyber monday, not sure if the price will drop after black friday.

>>107166526 (OP)
What's with that tablet? Doesn't that case have an optional screen? Just use that.

>News & Rumors
RTX 50 Super: 2026 launch. 24GB VRAM for 5070 Ti & 5080 Super, 18GB for 5070 Super.
Nova Lake 2026
Dual 3d cache "9950X3D2"

>Product Notice
PNY RTX 50 cards have QC issues (rattling fans, reports of 5070 & 5090 with blown capacitors)

Gigabyte RTX 50 & RX 9000 video cards: thermal gel has QC issues, Gigabyte claims only early production batches were affected.
https://www.igorslab.de/en/update-on-thermal-putty-on-gigabyte-graphics-cards-after-further-storage-oil-separation-to-an-alarming-extent-and-silence-as-a-strategy/

>PSU Reviews
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/power-supplies
https://www.lttlabs.com/
https://www.kitguru.net/reviews/?category_name=power-supplies

For tier-list enjoyers:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1akCHL7Vhzk_EhrpIGkz8zTEvYfLDcaSpZRB6Xt6JWkc/

>Storage Reviews
https://www.tweaktown.com/cat/storage/index.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/?category=SSD
https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/ssds/reviews

>Monitor Hunter
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1illeNLsUfZ4KuJ9cIWKwTDUEXUVpplhUYHAiom-FaDo/

>Omissions
-9800X3D: ~10% improvement in gaming over a 7800X3D (which is still in production)
-9060xt 16gb: Performance variable compared to 5060ti, consider cheaper second hand options like the 3080
-9070: Currently more expensive than the 5070
-"Futureproofing": Nvidia gpus in general have been aging better than Radeon regardless of vram or marginal differences in raw performance

Leave any constructive suggestions for edits to the op. Is slowly being worked on.

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>>107166526 (OP)
OP, change 1440p WOLED recommendation to ASUS XG27AQWMG. Remove the LG & Gigabyte WOLEDs.
It will be released soon and has the best panel + glossy finish combo.
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/107142854/#107147175

This video compares the panel's glossy finish (different model, but same panel + glossy finish).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc7MHEMcVVI

The LG Tandem WOLED is currently discounted to $550 in the US, but it has a matte display finish.

>>107166526 (OP)
I still don't get it
That case literally comes with a bigger integrated touch screen model

>>107166526 (OP)
> AIR 903 Base/MAX
I have the max and I think it’s the single best deal I’ve had in my build. This case is great, can’t believe I only paid $30 for it. The only issue is that the magnets on the mesh filter at the top are too weak and that it doesn’t have the holes for an external water cooler (do people still use those?).

>>107166608
>implying super will happen with DRAM shortage

>>107166571
I’m looking at prices right now and they fucking suck. The 9800x3d just keeps rising in price. I’d say wait for Black Friday, but it’s probably time to monitor prices daily.

>>107166571
I'd buy memory & storage soon. It's something non-gamers/PC builders also buy.

>>107166571
What you can't wait TWO MORE WEEKS

If you are in the US you can get this decent MSI mobo+cpu bundle that saves you about 95$
Not all ryzen cpus available but both x3d chips are there. The boards seem ok too

https://us-store.msi.com/Motherboards/AMD-Platform-Motherboard/PRO-B650-A-WIFI the b650 version
https://us-store.msi.com/Motherboards/AMD-Platform-Motherboard/B850-GAMING-PLUS-WIFI
the b850 version

Inb4 T. shill shillington

>>107166641
>ASUS XG27AQWMG
Is that a samsung qd-oled monitor? I know this isn’t that big of a factor, but stress tests have shown that qd-oleds age worse than woleds in terms of burn-in. In fact, quantum dot in general seems to be a huge failure point for burn-in, with some LCD screens having worse burn-in than OLED (mostly samsung QN TVs and their derivates).
Quality-wise, WOLED is clearly falling behind, though. No contest. Still better than the shitty panels they use in iphones.

>>107166806
Tandem OLED is the latest LG Display WOLED panel.
https://rog.asus.com/monitors/27-to-31-5-inches/rog-strix-oled-xg27aqwmg/

>>107161935
>Second, look at the RAM slots. 4 RAM slots are default but you can save more money by going for 2 only. And again, most people only ever use 2 RAM slots
I don't know why you even brought this up, do motherboards with only 2 ram slots even exist?

>>107166822
Looks neat

>>107166825
Yeah, it’s not uncommon in the super low budget range. Particularly in those jury rigged chinese xeon motherboards.
>imagine using ddr3 in 2025

BUILD NOW

BLACK FRIDAY WILL NOT SAVE YOU

CYBER MONDAY WILL NOT SAVE YOU

RAM WILL CONTINUE TO RISE

SSD WILL CONTINUE TO RISE

BUILD NOW

>>107166873
It's too late, if you haven't bought already than you might as well just wait 2 years.

>>107166571
I reckon prices are only going to get worse, so as soon as possible for the lowest price is the best bet

>>107166873
Real stock prices won’t change in 2 weeks. The we are in the gouging stage of black friday jewry.

What is the best sensor app? I see Afterburner mentioned a lot but also AIDA64 and I think nvidia has one built into the gpu as well? Is there one that can monitor fans and the other stuff all in one or will I still need something like fancontrol at the same time? I've heard you aren't supposed to monitor power % or volts or something because lowers your fps for some reason but is there anything else to avoid tracking?

Just spend $400 on ram. It's not so bad. Just don't look at the charts.

>>107166526 (OP)
>4k : 5070ti, 9070xt
Too many games still don't have FSR 4
9070 XT isn't a good 4K card

https://youtu.be/hTuitzW8IBI

>The $1600 All-MSRP Gaming PC

Good one linus could have used it SIX WEEKS AGO BEFORE THIS NIGHTMARE

This guy has the shittiest timing

>>107166913
HWInfo 64, disable power monitoring for NVIDIA cards.
Voltage sensors can stay enabled, but only one monitoring app should be tracking them.
That's why Afterburner's voltage monitor is disabled by default.

nvidia took away sli and nothing changed
nvidia took away good bus widths and nothing changed
nvidia took away full die sizes
nvidia took away hotspot and nothing changed

what will they take away next? When will AMD provide actual competition?

>>107166980
lmao

I have dual tower air cooler, should I install it with mobo still outside the case or once mobo is in?

>>107167067
Probably outside of the case, install the memory modules before you work on the tower air cooler.

>>107166633
I appreciate the input anon. I'm still conflicted between the 9070xt and 5070ti, MSRP or not. It seems like both cards are close enough in raster performance with the 5070ti being slightly better and beating it in RT/path tracing.
If i go with the 5070ti, I'm mainly paying for better RT, DLSS4, and having cuda cores for non gaming workloads correct? Is there anything im missing?

>>107166762
soo don't wait for black friday?

>>107167083
if you go with nvidia you now have garbage windows and linux drivers like 30% less performance than radv, lots of random issues with wddm and desktop.

>>107167103
>radv
unofficial linux troon discord cope drivers lol

>>107167111
just pretend these are xt vs ti.
9070xt has better fps lows and non driver issues compared to ti.

>>107167096
I can't see the prices going up much more in the next 2 weeks. If you monitor prices daily you might find some deals so just check and if you see something go down in price grab it.

>>107166526 (OP)
my dad wants a 27in curved monitor just for general use to replace an old 1050p monitor hes been using since 2008, hes using a pc with a Ryzen 7 8745HS running off the igpu. I think having it bee on on a stand that is easily adjustable would be ideal, oh and with built in speakers because boomer

>>107167117
>>107167111
Look at this way. games start on Valves driver and AMD drivers. games crash when you're not using them.

>>107167103
ive heard recent nvidia drivers were shit, Ive never used geforce experience or the nvidia app or whatever the fuck its called now so I cant speak to that, but on my old ass 1080ti nvidia drivers work fine. is there something different with the newer cards ?
I have a thinkpad for /g/ activities and pretending i know how to use linux, but for my main gayming rig I just use windows to play anticheat slop so the linux drivers would only matter to me If i could run ALL my games on linux (sadly thatll never happen)

>>107167096
I just fomo'd $230 into a 32gb DDR5 6000 cl30 kit, I would never suggest someone else be as retarded as me but it looks like ram might stay high or even get worse.

>>107166526 (OP)
I'm using my dying 5800x3d to upgrade but zen6 is literally around the corner. Hoping that my ecc corrections don't increase from 1-2 a day

>>107167096
stock is literally running out
there will be no magic day when ram suddenly costs 50% of what it does now

look at this shit

it's LITERALLY off the scale

>buy RAM 3 days ago
>some motherfucker on here tells me "this is the top, it's not going up further
>check it today
>up another 100 dollarydeus

>>107167305
waitfags are down a billion this year
2 more years of GTX for them

>>107167226
keep posting it until nvidia fixes their drivers

now i dont know if ssd are going up due to shortage or if it's just pre black friday price raising. Should I wait or what

>>107167337
The graph speak for itself, bro. It's shortage.

>>107167337
ssd,hdd,ram,vram prices are all going up. if it uses flash or nand its going up.

>>107167337
It's both but make no mistake the stock shortage is real

Prices will only go up next year.

>>107167410
reminds me when solidigm pulled out of consumers to focus on ai datacenters

Trying to figure out hwinfo. This cpu core monitoring chart. Should cores be maxing out like this even when I'm not doing anything like playing a game or a video? I have nothing going except a browser in the background. Does this look like normal cpu usage?

>>107167386
>>107167376
>>107167396
k im gonna fomo on $150 2tb sn7100

>>107167337
If you buy just don't open until after black friday and if something goes on sale you can return what you bought and get that instead.

do intel processors with CNVi have wifi built in?

>>107167443
random ass core spikes and other power weirdness is normal for amd yes

>>107167443
that tells you the clock state of each core.

use sensors in the startup menu instead of summary.

I still cant decide between the 9070xt and a 5070ti
help anons please

Why is HWINFO telling me I am using Hyper-V when I am not?

>>107167456
smart!

Buy 9800X3D now or wait for 10800X3D?

>>107167485
If you can afford 5070 get it, if you can't get 9070. It's that simple.

>>107167497
isn't the whole point of am5 being able to drop in a cpu lol

>>107167337
It's shortage, memory prices have more than doubled and 2026 entire supply is already sold out. Should have bought months ago.
Better luck next time, kiddo.

>>107167485
9070xt
Pixel Rate
380.2 GPixel/s
Texture Rate
760.3 GTexel/s
FP16 (half)
97.32 TFLOPS (2:1)
FP32 (float)
48.66 TFLOPS
FP64 (double)
1.521 TFLOPS (1:32)

5070ti
Theoretical Performance
Pixel Rate
235.4 GPixel/s
Texture Rate
686.6 GTexel/s
FP16 (half)
43.94 TFLOPS (1:1)
FP32 (float)
43.94 TFLOPS
FP64 (double)
686.6 GFLOPS (1:64)

bigger number is better

>>107167522
>Theoretical Performance
he forgot to delete that part
as you well know reality is a different story

>>107167522
Paper specs don't matter

>>107167542
>>107167548
9070xt
Transistors
53,900 million
Density
151.0M / mm2
Die Size
357 mm2
ROPs
128

5070ti
Transistors
45,600 million
Density
120.6M / mm2
Die Size
378 mm2
Memory Clock
1750 MHz
28 Gbps effective
ROPs
96

again bigger number better

>>107167485
Split the difference and get 5080

I'm looking to get a 6-10Tb hard disk drive. What would /pcbg/ recommend? It'll be used for storing files not accessed very often.

>>107167580
Transistor count isn't done the same way for the 2 cards btw

>>107167668
You’re kind of fucked if you’re looking for CMR drives, prices for these almost doubled.
SMR drive should be okay for your use case though, no RAID or NAS.

>>107167675
GIGABYTE AORUS RTX 5070 Ti MASTER boost clock: 2670mhz

ASRock RX 9070 XT Taichi boost clock: 3100mhz

>>107167668
Barracuda compute if that's still one of the cheapest. I'm sure you are already aware 2 smaller drives vs 1 big one is better if you actually care about what's going to be saved

>>107167794
I hope Jensen breaks into your house and molests you irl

>>107167798
>Barracuda compute 8tb
That one still seems reasonably cheap. It's 200 Canadian. The other one I was eyeing was the Toshiba X300 PRO 8Tb is about 100 dollars more, and checking its price history it's only 20 bucks more than it was this time last year. Hell the most it ever was happened a few days ago when it hit $384.10 Canadian.
>I'm sure you are already aware 2 smaller drives vs 1 big one is better if you actually care about what's going to be saved
Honestly no, I didn't consider that. I'm mostly going to be saving porn, movies, misc files, frames, video project files, and Houdini simulation data in it (Christ those things take up a ton of space). It was intended to be a long term "just put shit here and forget about it" drive. My plan is do my work on my SSDs, then once the work is all done, just move the files over to the HDD and delete them from my SSDs. It looks like Canada computers does have 4Tb Barracuda compute drive for 120 bucks (Canadian).

>>107167491
You might have to disable virtualization options from the BIOS.
intel VT or amd svm

>prices up aaaaa
>prices up aaaaa
>prices up aaaaa
me getting one extra job would nullify all price increases and I would simply start consooming
but, getting a side job is impossible if you are white in todays society
one simple tip of just burgerflipping harder beats waitfagging
it's kinda crazy how bad a waitfag meta really is
just earn money for fuck sake

>>107167410
I'm glad I stocked up on everything a few months back. Insane how fast RAM prices have mooned.

I got a Zotac RTX 5080 coming in. Bough it for close to MSRP
what am in for?
>3 slot card
>cooler is very beefy
>has actual thermal pads
>does not have gaymer aesthetics
I remember Zotac doing decent budget GTX cards back in the day but that was during the pre-rtx era. I remember that they scalped the fuck out of the 30XX series by making horrible products and selling them for triple what they were supposed to.

Didn't realize the new thread:

This whole thing reminds me of the whole GPU shortage.
Did GPU prices ever go down to regular price?
Not sure if RAM and SSDs will be the same.

>>107168212
They're the barebones GPUs. Big heatsinks for no reason since they don't increase the power limit for overclocking. If you don't overclock it's a nice card. If you do then you're fucked.

>>107168238
Iirc, GPU prices did go down to sort of normal prices right after Covid and the crypto boom ended, and we went from the 3000 series cards to the 4000 series cards. The problem was Nvidia thought that the crypto boom would never end, so they upped to price of the 4000 series cards to absurd levels compared to the 3000 series cards, and seriously gimped many of the 4000 series cards (the 3060 had 12Gb of VRAM compared to the 4060's 8). Now AI is here to pick up the slack, and somehow make it even fucking worse than Covid and Crypto combined. At least with Crypto, it was just GPUs. It is now everything. Just like Covid and Crypto, I expect this madness to last 2 years, and cool off starting in the third year. So your options are pay a bit of a premium now, or wait 3 years.

>>107168243
>they don't increase the power limit for overclocking
good thing I always undervolt my GPUs
>If you don't overclock it's a nice card
I hope so too

>>107168274
who the fuck is waiting?
either you are poor or you already have a functional rig
no inbetween
I am just wondering if I even game that much to justify buying that shit now
I mean if I had even more money I would just do it because fuck it but at the same time it's kinda meh
I guess I can wait eh

>>107168212
I haven't heard about any issues with them so it should be fine

I'm trying to find a basic, non-video KVM switch that allows me to switch between three computers with a keyboard and mouse input. I'm using the thing below right now but I've got another stream of work I need a third spot for. Any suggestions? Google only seems to give me really trash products and reddit does that thing where they don't ever really give advice, they just sort of amorphously talk around the subject matter.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MXXQKGM

>>107168212
zotac solid is more or less asus tuf or asrock phantom gaming but without the rgbs

>>107168313
>zotac solid is more or less asus
elaborate? Does it have the same level of coil whine? Are the warranty and RMA process as dogshit as Assus`?

>>107168274
I don't mind waiting three years. I only care about HDD prices. And I buy them at least once a year only.

>>107168342
asrock taichi/asus rog strix > asrock phantom gaming/asus tuf (you are here) > asrock challenger/asus prime

just mid gpu but minus the rgb

coil whine is random

>>107168304
I am using that exact USB switch as well, If you are looking for a KVM without video, maybe look for a "usb switching hub" or something similar instead of a KVM?

I just realized my HDDs are 12 & 13 years old. Is it time to decommission them? I have a brand new replacement 8 TB drive.
It feels wasteful when they're chugging along just fine. SMART data is all fine, but Gemini is telling me I need to worry about mechanical issues.

>>107168371
You guys never disappoint me.

https://youtu.be/fvrGLUEdvEA?t=295

how is this guys lighting reacting to what's happening on the screen hows he doing that what's he using

the prices will never be good
you waited all year for GPUs to be normal priced
you waited for tariffs to not fuck shit up
you waited for 50 super series more vram
and now look ram ssd you name it all fucked up
prices will never be good
just spend the money and buy it
what's matters is components

>>107167603
WD Red plus/pro if being used for a NAS, otherwise Blue.

>>107168538
Buy LED strips and download some software. I forgot. Probably easy to google though. 'how to sync RGB strip to monitor' or something.

>>107166526 (OP)
>puts a touchscreen inside a case
lmao

>>107168212
>>>3 slot card
it'll actually be 3.5/4

>want to build a simple NAS
>costs $400
fuuuuck. should i do it? i don't NEED it now but i will need to get it eventually.

>>107168476
If you're backing them up, ride it out until they die.

Should I upgrade before it's too late, bros?

>>107168735
what software is this?

>build PCs from teens to mid-20's
>still want to build PC
>no good games made since 2012
>no software requires more than a simple Macbook
owari da...

>>107168735
HWmonitor

>>107168709
buy your hard drives now i already fucked myself and will have to spend $100 more on the same fucking HDD I should've bought 6 months ago

>>107168780
I have HDDs already. I just want to migrate everything to a separate machine, rather than a VM in Proxmox.

>>107168578
Thanks for the feedback, Anon.

>>107168815
based professionalism replier anon

>ddr5 prices increasing by the hour
It's so over

>>107168878
just wait a couple weeks more restock is coming

Anyone have a non bias take on the AMD driver branch switch for RDNA1/2? Everything ive read is either people sucking off AMD saying they can do no wrong, or people saying the sky is falling and no inbetween. What will this mean for 9000 series cards in the future? what does this mean for RDNA2 owners? I havent kept up with AMD or how they handle drivers, is this a totally new out of the ordinary thing? some people are saying they have always had shit support for products, its making me seriously consider not buying a 9000 series GPU now

>>107168883
>manufacturers got multiple years of DRAM preordered
>more restock is coming
Yeah, for sure, man.

>>107168878
what you are witnessing is the collapse of the US dollar

>>107168572
Prices of 5090s that are available halved, literally
That is way more than some ram increase
If you bought during 5090 peak they were 4200$ now you could have had one for sub msrp 2300$
That's in my country
Prices were good for the high end now
Jensen made a 2300 GPU seem cheap

are they serious

Does CL 30 vs CL 36 create any stability issues on AM5? I dont care about the performance difference, it's marginal.

>>107168911
this is really common. Why did you post this yuropoor

>>107168918
from how I understand it cl30 6000 is the sweet spot of performance and stability on AM5, so running CL36 6000 should be just as stable, with a marginal performance hit as you said

>>107168929
>this is really common
no it's not

>>107168823
I mean if I ask for advice, I want people to know I've read their input so it encourages them to continue giving input.

>>107168929
theres performance/quality/balance options for fsr but for dlss its just "on/off". the devs are telling you to download bloatware to change it.

>>107168918
Samsung cl36 is known to be unstable stuff
Micron cl36 is probably fine

>>107168871
This is a funky looking speaker.

>>107168955
was not sarcasm

>>107169021
What about 5600 CL36?

>>107169036
I wasn't being sarcastic either, I was being sincere. If people don't give advice, then we don't have a thread.

>>107169055
Ok, your explanation was sufficient, congratulations on your consecutive, matching repeating digits

>>107168894
anyone? I am shitting and farting and pissing all over trying to decide between a 50 series and 9000 series GPU and have been for days

>>107169042
Probably Samsung

>>107168959
Look at this little bitch going through Steam forums to find something to whine about GeForce features.
JP dev being out of their depth with PC ports, shocker.

>the devs are telling you to download bloatware to change it
Radeon card owners have to rely on Optiscaler for the fast majority of modern titles to enable FSR4.
Not to mention RDNA2 & 3 bag holders are stuck with an inferior INT8 implementation of FSR4, if they "download bloatware to change it".

Know your fucking place.

>32gb 6000mhz cl 30 for $140
That's it, I'm going to buy it.

>>107169068
It's a semi-nothing burger. RDNA2 isn't likely to get upgrades to FSR or RT performance optimizations.
But most of the RDNA2 card owners have been saying they don't give a fuck about upscaling or RT.
So those guys get to sleep in the bed they made.

>>107167580
>advantage in paper specs
>loses in real performance
why is AMD so bad?

>>107169093
>>107169116
seek help

>>107169068
>>107167522
>>107167580

>>107169127
Projection, you've been coping with your discounted 7900 XTX for over a year.

>>107169133
slower in real world performance

>>107168871
Yeah, that gives me the ick.

>>107169101
wtf where
How

>>107169068
The gist really comes down to:
>AMD is generally better price/performance, but there WILL some completely random driver issue at some point. Could be a small insignificant thing, or something you really need. You won't be plagued with issues, but you WILL get at least 1.
>Nvidia is more expensive, not as good, but generally better supported by everything.
I'd go AMD unless you're doing "production" work. The last thing you want to wrestle with in production is some random incompatibility fucking things up in the middle of a project.

>>107169201
Its gone

>>107169101
i just paid $230 for the same kit, where the fuck did you find that

>>107169212
for gaymen, AMD has literally always been a smoother experience for me in terms of software/drivers. I hate myself for going nvidia every time, but I suffer through it for the performance and inevitably go back to AMD

>>107169224
>>107169101
why do newfags do this, quote names/titles and bait people into asking for elaboration
can you not just post the info in your first post?

>>107169225
never had an experience with a Radeon card that wasn't gigabroken garbage

Is it normal for my memory to be spiking like that even when I am not doing anything? Just got msi afterburner and this is what it was showing me before touching anything. Doesn't feel like it should be that high. But looking at my task manager it's never showing it using more than 20% memory. So why is afterburner say it is using a lot more?
Could this have something to do with why it's laggy when I scroll in my browser?

>>107169238
1v1 me in Bf6 and we can settle this matter on the field...

UDNA1/RDNA5 might have some growing pains, but I'm expecting UDNA2 to be good.

>>107169258
I don't play that slop

>>107169106
thats fair, If i buy an RDNA4 card Im not expecting some future UDNA feature to be backwards compatible with it (as nice as that would be)
I just dont want AMD to decide that my card is now gonna stop getting any relevant updates and shit stops working in a few years :(
>>107169133
>>107169148
All the benchmarks ive seen the 9070xt trends just below the 5070ti on average, with outliers both ways. its caught up in RT performance over last gen, and FSR4 looks nice but is no where near as wide spread as DLSS.. I just want a card i can play 1440p sloppa with graphics turned up, I assume ill be happy with either but cant make up my mind:(

>>107169255
That's the GPU's memory frequency; the chip is conserving power when it drops the GPU core & memory clocks down.

>But looking at my task manager it's never showing it using more than 20% memory.
VRAM capacity usage % =/= VRAM operating frequency.

>>107169266
1v1 me in super smash melee netplay

>>107169275
Whichever GPU vendor you choose, you're only entitled to the features it's currently advertised to have.
That's what you're paying for. Neither NVIDIA nor AMD is promising future upscaler models or other new feature compatibility.

Nvidia is Uncslop

>>107169289
So why is it maxed out like that when I'm not even playing a game?

>>107169305
Yeah as I said thats totally fair, Im just worried about games and software not working because they decided my card is "legacy" or going into "maintenance mode" in a few years.
my 1080ti was still receiving support until this year, im worried I wont be getting that with AMD is what im saying

>>107169319
Running Afterburner or other hardware sensors is constantly pinging the video card, which will cause frequency spikes.
That card is also rendering browser windows or app interfaces, it has a power management algorithm that calculates whether it's worth boosting to max frequency/bandwidth to complete the render load asap.

>>107169336
AMD has always offered inferior driver support longevity, you buy a great value brand product you get great value brand support

>>107169336
You won't. AMD is shit and you fell for the shill scam. All so you could save $50 for less performance, features, and longevity.

>>107169336
The RDNA2 boys are still getting game optimizations per AMD.
But the Radeon team's not going to cripple future features to accommodate older cards.
https://www.amd.com/en/blogs/2025/continued-support-for-every-radeon-gamer.html

AMD had to neglect Radeon chip development for a while because the company's survival depended on getting Epyc & Ryzen CPUs right.
So they were just prioritizing features that Sony & Xbox asked for in the current-gen consoles when they were designing RDNA2.
RDNA4 is kind of a bridge/stepping-stone generation to a GPU architecture that will be more similar to NVIDIA's (workstation/compute & gaming hybrid with better compute/AI accelerators and dedicated RT cores).

>co-worker wants to get a new PC for gaymen
>knows I do technology things
>help him build a parts list
>wants in depth knowledge of why I chose specific brands over others
>has a big-ish budget, around $3400 overall including monitor
>spec him out a 9800X3D, x870E motherboard (cheaper $250 model), RTX 5070Ti, 64GB RAM, 2TB SSD. Overall a really solid build.
>Monitor alone was going to cost like $750
>this was before the weekend
>talk to him the following Monday
>"oh yeah it's too much work to buy specific parts, I just bought a pre-built from Alienware"
>All he had to do was copy and paste the links of the parts and buy them
>$4k for an RTX 5080 machine with Intel Ultra 7 in it, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, no monitor
>"Yeah I decided to take the money I was going to spend on the monitor and just put it into the tower for more power, I can just keep using my old monitor"
>his old(current) monitor is an office OEM 21.5" LCD with crazy backlight bleed 1080p matte panel, no adaptive sync, not even IPS, 60HZ

I should just start charging money to give people advice like that. I could have made a bunch of money off of this retard.

>40 liters
What the fuck? I thought it was a compact case.

>>107169385
Kek
Don't feel bad about it, you already did your best
He didn't want to follow good advice is all

I know ASrock is in the shitter with their motherboards killing CPU's, but what about their GPU's? Pic related seems like too good a deal to pass up

>>107169361
I havent bought either yet and its $150 tyvm stinky

>>107169336
>my 1080ti was still receiving support until this year
this is so fuckin sad, truly the death of the industry. the whole concept of abandoning support for a piece of HARDWARE is insane, and you fucktards will continue paying for this shit

>>107166873
I just need more storage.

>>107169376
I suppose that makes sense. them announcing UNDA and no 7900xtx tier for RDNA4 made me feel as though RDNA4 was just a stopgap generation they didnt care as much about.
sadly it feels as though the 50 series is a pretty big let down too. Im rather conflicted on what to go with at this point, feels like choosing the smaller of two dicks to be fucked by

>>107169443
Name a single option.

>>107169400
i hate that seeing a card selling at MSRP prices feels like a good deal we cant pass up :(

>own huge blu-ray, UHD blu-ray, DVD collection
>need a specific sort of blu-ray capable drive to flash a specific firmware to enable UHD ripping
>said drive isn't made anymore and is like $350 where it is in stock, always 3rd party sellers
>other blu-ray drives are all USB externals
I know it's old technology, but what the FUCK happened to accessible optical drives? Brand new non blu-ray ones used to be like $15.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/zbkrdb

Getting these for $2159, is that good enough?
budget around 2.2k

>>107169400
its slightly worse than the steel legend but its still msrp 9070xt.

>>107169468
I don't know if there is one, I'm just lamenting how gay and shit everything is now

>>107169477
>own huge blu-ray, UHD blu-ray, DVD collection
no refunds

>>107169400
Their cards are fine. The RMA service sucks, though.
https://old.reddit.com/r/ASRock/comments/1ordcbv/should_i_be_angry_rma/

>>107169385
thats every normie out there and on 4chan. too retarded about computers. all they see is NVIDIA and CORE I7 and they buy it and shill it nonstop.

>>107169385
>budget: 3400
>5070 Ti
lmfao
you are incompetent, a bad friend, and these are the end times

>>107168538
Plenty of monitors, keyboards, mice, etc have software that does that

>>107169481
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/nxbHdb

>>107168538
why would you even want this? just turn the lighting off at that point. why does every retard have to have RGBs in everything nowadays anyway

>>107169443
you really expect them to support 10 year old shit worse than the worst low end card they currently sell?

>>107169520
not a friend, a co-worker. Also the actual price for the tower was closer to $2600 because he wanted a really nice monitor. He also need headset, keyboard, mouse which would have eaten another $200+ out of his tower budget. I think a 5070Ti in a $2500-ish build is perfectly fine.

>>107166641
Correct, that will be the best 1440p monitor on the market and the best for most people in terms of gaming. There's also that 540hz one coming soon that's the same panel and glossy but I don't really know who that's for.

>>107169225
>AMD has literally always been a smoother experience for me in terms of software/drivers
b8/10, i replied

>>107169389
They want you to fill it with mineral oil

>>107169212
FSR 4 missing in too many games
Nvidia far better on average

>>107169505
and I don't want any. I don't use the drive to watch my collection, I rip them. my current drive works perfectly fine but I like to keep a backup drive in case this one dies. Ripping 1080p regular blu-ray is easy. Pretty much any and all blu-ray drives can do that these days. Getting one that is UHD compliant is a different story altogether.

>>107169481
Change the PSU to this Montech, well-reviewed and currently discounted.
https://pcpartpicker.com/product/sqbypg/montech-century-ii-850-w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-century-ii-850w

>>107168538
He put it in the description, it's this Govee light kit
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Govee-Envisual-Backlight-DreamView-Ultra-Thin/dp/B0BD53MZ38?ufe=app_do%3Aamzn1.fos.d7e5a2de-8759-4da3-993c-d11b6e3d217f&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&linkId=8d1710c15213a8f4409304db4d5c76e6&language=en_GB

>>107169552
>you really expect them to support 10 year old shit worse than the worst low end card they currently sell?
yes, zoomie, I have an 8800 GTX that I bought in 2006 and they just ended support for it this year. This is not the norm and you should not be supporting corporations for any reason. There's no pride in being a slave

Is it worth paying more for B850 vs B650?

>>107169570
If the game supports DLSS/XESS then it supports FSR and viceversa. This stuff is API agnostic now as in you can flip it on Linux drivers (AMD only has decent Linux drivers, Nvidia shits itself just doing basic compositing).

AMD is far better on average when it comes to displaying 2D and 3D. The tide changes the moment you need to switch off ROPS and switch on CUDA.

>>107169601
>If the game supports DLSS/XESS then it supports FSR and viceversa
False

>>107169605
https://github.com/optiscaler/OptiScaler

>>107169594
depends on the cost difference. B850 is just going to have out of box support for the 9000 series of Ryzen where as anything older may require a BIOS flash before 9000 series is usable. Not all motherboards have BIOS flash utility without a CPU in the socket either, so you'd be buying an older chipset hoping you don't need a 7000 series to get it up and running first. Assuming you intend to use a 9800X3D (you should be)

>>107169594
If you can find a good deal for a B850 board, I'd get it instead.
If you need to value-max, ASRock B650M HDV/M.2 is still a good choice.

>>107169601
>If a guy sounds and looks like a girl, he's a girl

>>107169618
>If you need to value-max, ASRock B650M HDV/M.2 is still a good choice
aren't ASrock boards killing CPUs

>>107169589
that card lost driver support 9 years ago lol

>>107169610
Didn't you complain about having to "download bloatware" to unfuck game dev support?

>>107169621
that is the official position of the US government, yes

>>107169613
Gigabyte-wise, an Aorus Elite V2 B650 is about $20 cheaper than a B850 gaming X or a MSI B850 Gaming Plus.
>>107169626
I think that was only the early budget models.

>>107169605
The only requirement for these TAA upscalers is the game supports motion vectors. People were able to mod in DLSS and FSR into Skyrim just because it exposes those vectors.

>>107169589
>yes, zoomie, I have an 8800 GTX that I bought in 2006 and they just ended support for it this year.
love how this is just a blatant lie lol that card hasn't been supported for a long time

>>107169610
So it's not usable in multiplayer games due to anticheat, I'd rather just not have to download extra software to inject stuff even in singleplayer games.

>>107169627
>2018 was 8 years ago
what the fuck man
point stands though

>>107169626
Haven't read any instances of that ASRock board killing CPUs.
ASRock supposedly set stricter PBO settings for those budget boards.

>>107169639
>>107169627
>quick, gotta defend the megacorporation!
>he said something against the royals? GET HIM!
you guys are fucking braindead, idk how you can possibly disagree that this is a negative development
>inb4 I wasn't disagreeing, I just wanted to be pedantic

>>107169589
https://www.techpowerup.com/198866/nvidia-outlines-support-plans-for-its-directx-10-generation-gpus
8800GTX lost support in March 2014, over 11 years ago

>>107169640
It literally works in Gachas and MMOs and they have more strict anti cheats than many fps. You sound like a stupid cunt. You think like a jit.

>>107169636
I think the Aorus Elite V2 is better than either of those 2 boards.
V1 is better than V2 btw, if you can find one at that price (8 vs 6-layer PCB plus more VRM phases)..

>>107169651
the problem is you lied about your card still getting driver support to this day when it stopped getting driver support 11 years ago

>>107169651
NVIDIA supports cards for 10 years AyyMD subhuman barely gets 3

>>107169630
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>>107169667
>lied
I made a mistake, does that have any bearing whatsoever on my underlying point you fucking retard? You're really jumping at the chance to defend a megacorp, why? Because you... like the brand? Jews are right about most people including you, literal braindead slave
>>107169672
>team A vs team B hurr hurr

>>107169656
>Gachas and MMOs
Except MMOs turn a blind eye to the user-side modifications like race & outfit changing mods.
They only step in when players use mods that give impact gameplay & give the user an unfair advantage.
I'm not even going to answer the gacha bit, it's beneath me.

>>107169660
There's also a Gigabyte B850 Gaming X at the same price as the B650 Aorus Elite, but it's also worse on thermals and overall quality.
>V1 is better than V2 btw, if you can find one at that price (8 vs 6-layer PCB plus more VRM phases)
I saw that. 14 vs 12 phases. But 12 is plenty for everything but a 9950x. But the V2 supposedly works with Ryzen 9000 out of the box, so it's less of a hassle.

>>107169656
>and they have more strict anti cheats than many fps
No they don't, you clearly haven't played an FPS in over 5 years. Have fun having to inject everything with a third party program to save $20 on your GPU

>>107169684
the underlying point is you're retarded, newer GPUs are getting supported for longer than the slop you bought in 2006, at least for NVIDIA
AMD just hates their own consumers

I'm about to take everything apart and put it back together. Wish me luck.
I've been without a computer for a month.

Originally my cpu was overheating, I reapplied thermal paste (for the first time in 9 years).
Then I think taking the ram out and starting it with 1 stick worked so I put the other back in.
Then it would run for 2 hours before turning off.
And now it won't turn on.
So I borrowed my friend's PSU to see if that will work but I doubt I hooked anything up right as I was just winging it.

God give me strength.

>find ancient PC going through my old shit in the attic
>my gaming PC from when I first moved out of my parents
>was originally put up here to be out of the way temporarily
>ended up building a new PC
>Intel 990X, X58 motherboard, 24GB DDR3-1866MHz (triple channel), GTX 590 dual GPU single board
>2x 320GB WD Raptor 10k RPM HDDs in RAID 0 as dedicated game drives

Wonder if this thing still boots. Looking at it was like a sleeper agent being activated. I suddenly remembered every little aspect of what I did to that machine to squeeze all the performance out of it

>>107169701
You've kept that PC really clean, or you cleaned it very well.
Good luck.

>>107169701
Fucking phone.

>>107169690
Actually, the gaming X seems to get better thermals than the Aorus Elite. At the same phase and layer layout. Wtf.

>>107169694
>must support corporation
>consooooom
done replying to you, goy

>>107169712
Thank you. I have no secret as I have a beard, a cat, and eat food right next to it daily.

>>107169720
thank you for conceding and admitting defeat, you stupid fucking nigger animal

>>107169601
>The tide changes the moment you need to switch off ROPS and switch on CUDA
This guy is so tiring, that's not how NVIDIA GPUs work at all.
Extremely sad how it's probably a grown man in his 30s writing this bullshit.

>>107169689
>>107169691
Retards.

>>107169752
Nvidia ROPs are slower than AMD and the proof is on Linux.

>>107169793
AMD RADV is 5% slower on Linux than on windows

>>107169691
My Radeon card was legitimately $250 cheaper than the Nvidia equivalent when I bought it earlier this year. For that price, I’d be stupid not to have bought team red but I do wish game devs would get off their ass and add other upscaler support besides DLSS so I don’t have to use optiscaler sometimes, you right.

>>107169810
game devs don’t want to put in time and effort to support the “2% club”

>>107169819
Luckily optiscaler works great in those cases, I just played through the Crysis remastered trilogy and averaged like 150fps at max settings even with ray tracing thanks to that, though performance was already good before.

>>107169793
You have 0 credibility. ROPs are always "on" when the GPU is rendering 2D/3D graphics; they're the back-end of the graphics rendering pipeline.
AMD calls it a render backend for a reason.

>>107169829
he’s still spreading the muh radv lie when testing shows Linux is slower than windows for gaming

>>107169828
So you have to "download bloatware" to change the game's upscaling option >>107168959
And make per-game changes.

>>107169832
>>107169829
>>107169807

>>107169841
That's an image of your mental avatar. You are the shiteating bitch.

>>107169800
well lets hope he likes his games upscaled with ai

>>107169848
>That's an image of your mental avatar. You are the shiteating bitch.

>>107169860
now show nvidias 0fps blackscreen

>>107169710
anon.. im currently using an x58 board :(
what a beast of a system for that time goddamn

2k 180hz > 1080p 240hz right

even my specs are
9700x with rtx 4070 ti super

>>107169952
Yes, but 4K/120 is better than all ofthose. Sadly, not realistic without a 5090.

What's a good type of storage for videos and media? HDD? SSD? Those tape drives?

>>107170039
Cold storage? Staying in a powered system for years at a time? How important is the data and what’s the budget?

>>107170039
3x 8 TB drives in fault tolerant RAID if you need 16 TB of storage or less

What the hell is this?
It says LHE on it and it's coming from the top of my case where the power button and all the other shit is.
If it's supposed to go to a sysfan then I can't make it go.

>>107170049
Powered system since it's a computer, I hoard media like anime series, movies, and music/photos. I'd say up to 400 realistically.

>>107170060
>3x 8 TB drives
HDD

>>107169958
4k 120
that would be 32 inch tv not monitor

>>107170063
>LHE
That looks like fan headers. Fucking follow the cable and see where it connects.
retard

>>107170070
Yes. And?

>>107170070
4K panels are on 27" monitors these days.

>>107170079
I told you where it connects, smart guy.
In this pile.

Now where the fuck does it go on my motherboard if at all?

>>107170102
No, it goes up your ass.
Read your case manual.

>>107170117
This is a 10 year old computer. I don't have any of that shit but I suppose it will be online.

You know, you could just tell me since you know. And if you don't, then I levy all of your childish insults back at you.

Cheap 6000/28 ram in the uk
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0FF5CQ4GN?tag=pcp0f-21&linkCode=ogi&th=1

>>107170141
Does the case have a fan control knob? It looks to be a male fan connector. (Ugh cis coded language)
You don't need to connect everything, just find the power button connector and that's enough.