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>>107137200

>recruiter wants 2 direct manager references
>I don't want to tell my current manager
>last manager before was 3 years ago
Just talk to my fucking colleagues!!!!

>>107166700 (OP)
Didn't we use to have an OP pasta? Whatever happened to that?
>click previous a few hundred times
A-ha:

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>Job Listings
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>>107166740

How tf do you even have any positive reference? Jfl

For me it would be really hard to find even one colleague who would speak positively about me.

The reason being that I coast at every job, get promotions and raises by changing jobs, and I am not at all a good goy.

>employed for a year now
>Think of all the borderline retardedly naive shit I said at job interviews when looking for my first job
>pain

>>107166911
how do you get new jobs without any references?

>>107167049
Just fake them.

I can't imagine needing people at my jobs to like me.

>>107167078
I can't imagine needing to fool others into thinking I'm liked

man i saw a roastie make fun of scrum master job title then i was like....huh she's kinda right
imagine telling people
>in my job i have to hold a scrum ceremony in the morning. im currently in a sprint! im holding a retro to see how many tickets were completed in the epic. this project is soooo mission critical... ohhhh your ticket is WHAT t-shirt size???
like now that I'm thinking about it....who the fuck made these terms????? this is so fucking goofy what the fuck

>>107167185
scrum master is a joke

fucking STORY POINTS? what the fuck holy shit this roastie opened my mind what the fuck is this bullshit.

>>107167207
if you have 50 tickets and need a rough idea of how much effort/complexity that constitutes at a glance, what would be the best method for that?

>>107167222
naming it something OTHER THAN FUCKING STORY POINTS AND T-SHIRT SIZES. what the fuck are we calling this tickets and epics and stories anyways? The fuck? Hi I'm here to call about Order #123 where the fuck is my M sized T-Shirt????????

>>107167273
your mom is XXXXXXL sized

It is important as workers to do everything possible to avoid metrics. The less objectively measurable your work, the better. This allows you to hide information from your employers, and information is power.

You want an example of metric hell? Just look at call centres, those motherfuckers have it down to a science and it's hell for the worker.

>>107166966
Don't worry anon, the memories only get more cringe as time goes on

Cringe memories is the price of becoming wiser

>>107167273
>throwing a bitch fit about some arbitrary name instead of the concepts themselves
You are a 0.1x developer

>>107166911
>I'm a bad employee so nobody is willing to say I'm a good employee so nobody is willing to hire me
Working as intended

>>107167454
WAKE UP PLEASE WAKE UP YOU ARE TRAPPED IN A DESK REPEATING GOOFY ASS CORNY TERMS TO EACH OTHER
NO I DONT WANT TO CIRCLE BACK, CAN WE TOUCH BASE? BRO I AINT GAY WHAT THE FUCK GET THAT SHIT OUTTA HERE. MY BLOCKERS? WHAT?

>>107167479
Any terminology can be made to sound goofy
Whaaaaat? My CO wants me to report for PT ASAP? BE SO SERIOUS DUDE

>>107166700 (OP)

Obey your brown Indian Hindu KWEENS chud, just lower your living standards to that of the average Indian Hindu! Working for her is a privilege not a right, there are 2 billion Ranjeets waiting to take your place!

>>107167554
>they all get replaced by the AI they created anyways

>>107167910
>become schizophrenic just so you can have some more time
nothx

Sitting through a PIP with HR and my manager, completely compliant

>"Anon doesn't talk enough during retrospectives"
>Is that true, anon?
"Yes, manager has provided an accurate summary"
I'm just counting the days until I quit the day before the 3rd and final meeting

>>107169177
see this is what im talking about. Retrospective? The fuck? What movie are we even having a retrospective on LOL

Anyone use Microsoft Teams? Anyone try Mesh yet? It's pretty awesome actually

The future is coming :)

>>107166700 (OP)
Where do I find cheaper dev contractors that actually understand what they're doing? I cannot afford hiring an American(budget is ~$50k USD)

>>107169538
Die

>>107169530
What kind of name is Cailyn

Y'all, I'm back in the game. Freed from the cesspool that is /utwg/, I'm now a Sr. Fullstack Dev. Snek anon has income again, LFG

>tfw during covid I was told 5+ YOE was enough to be senior
>tfw 6 years of experience and I'm being told it's now 10
For fucks sake

>>107169695
Job titles are bullshit, don't read into them too much imo. I was a "site reliability engineer" despite doing full stack shit the whole time.

>girl wearing butterfly wings on hinge photo
>ask if she found any good flowers lately
>she doesn't have a clue about my autistic boomer idea
it's fucking beyond over but I am still trying to find a way to save this

>>107169530
Why does that korean fellow look like a black dude in disguise

>>107169778
Can you at least make your posts remotely related to the thread instead of just your blog

>>107169778
I too want to turn my front yard and backyard into a flower garden.

>>107169682
How much is the pay? Also how long did you survive jobless?

They call it a floppy disk, but the new ones ain't floppy! Make it make sense, George!

>>107169794
$150k/year in a super LCOL area (rural Southeast US). I went a whole month with 0 income buffered by savings. Thankfully I saved a little emergency fund for that very moment. Oct 8 was my last day, a week or so from now will be my first day. Yippee!

>>107169177
I went through this recently for similar clownish reasons, and I wish I would have taken the opportunity to fuck with them more. You should hire an emotional support clown for the final meeting like that one guy did

>>107169650
Why? Im trying to grow my business to a point where I can afford to hire Americans

>>107169980
You are really asking alot of devs if pay is $50k usd for the US. That is lower than what alot of IT guys get at the entry level work of helpdesk.

>>107169980
You're essentially walking into a union meeting and asking how to cut salaries

>>107169822
> I went a whole month with 0 income buffered by savings. Thankfully I saved a little emergency fund for that very moment.
do you have a ton of money in illiquid assets or a lot of debt? No offense but I am surprised to hear someone in the tech industry saying a month off would be an issue, curious what your situation is. Grats on the job fellow soufman. Not having to pay big city rents is based. I moved back home (Georgia) from NYC and my rent more than halved.

>>107170019
What's worse is that these are people who make enough money to have at the very least college and their car paid off within 3 years of working. So taking time off of work voluntary or not hurts them alot faster than it would if they didn't have any debt.

I want a new job but I feel like I should be holding on to my current one so I don't start over at the bottom of the totem pole

>>107170058
It's not necessarily at the bottom of the totem pole. Some companies see your experience and put you higher up on their totem since you have some angle of knowledge that they otherwise would not. FAGMAN has it to the point were people leave after 2-4 years then come back even higher than they would if they tried to climb that ladder. Or they get a masters degree for a break from work then come back as some SR or manager.

>>107169989
Like I said, I can't afford Americans. I need anyone from anywhere, completely remote. Isnt $50k a lot in some shitholes like in Europe or whatever? I assume some shitholes still have decent devs that want a chill remote gig?
>>107170014
Not everyone on here is American tho

>>107170058
Do you like your current one? Is it stressful? If you are in career climb mode it may be worth it to jump but if not the job market is currently a pain in the ass. I want a new job but my current one has burned me out hard and it's hard to find any motivation to interview while still working and I'm not even sure I wouldn't just immediately bounce out of my next job if I went straight to it. I have plenty of savings but I have a mental block against being unemployed.

>>107169794
KEK

>>107169789
"even if I save lots of money as a tech worker, it doesn't automatically make me a chick magnet." How's that?

I don't understand how people can text strangers on an app with the hope to bang and look at themselves in the mirror it's just cringe and insincere not hating just genuinely bewildering to me

>>107170104
Not you responding with that "mmm"

>>107170086
>>107170101
My main hangup is I feel like having team history and "seniority" makes it less likely to be the first one to be laid off. Although I guess if a team is hiring they probably aren't going to turn around and do layoffs although it probably does happen occasionally

>>107170104
you're fuckin weird bro, like you have something legitimately wrong with the social part of your brain

Employed gang question for you:

Is leetcode still worth the energy guys? im not in some top school or anything , will probably be unemployed when I graduate BUT I'm debating if its better to go all in on projects or if I should actually split my time between leetcode and projects in the year of our unemployed lord 2025

>>107170234
Networkmaxxing is the only way to get a job anymore. The days of just needing to be a LC autist are over fagman is offshored and AI pilled
Switch majors if it's not too late take the CivE or IndE boomerpill

>>107170261
thanks I'll keep that in mind

>>107170104
Why is your shit all lowercase, are you intentionally avoiding caps

>>107170133
Sounds like a you problem

>>107167910
No way you put rage bait in a inspirational quote format LMAO

>>107170161
why?

>>107169822
Wow, a whole month. How did you manage to survive?!

>>107169822
>I went a whole month with 0 income buffered by savings. Thankfully I saved a little emergency fund for that very moment.
Your emergecy fund is absolute garbage if a month without income is notable.

>>107170098
>Isnt $50k a lot in some shitholes like in Europe or whatever?
No, it's not. You dumb nigger piece of shit.

>>107170098
>Isnt $50k a lot in some shitholes like in Europe or whatever?
Maybe if you're hiring Ukranians.

>>107170098
In Russia 50k is shitloads of cash but most of them are Indians out there since the war has sucked up all of the poor fags into the meat grinder.

>2025
>treats dotted email accounts as completely different accounts
best hour i ever wasted, anyone that shills this stupid fucking piece of garbage should be culled against a wall

>>107170980
>two different emails
>two different accounts
what's the problem?

How do I transition into consulting from regular wagecuck software dev?
I'm tired of getting jewed all the time and I want to do the jewing for a change.

>>107171457
you start off by wearing really long socks, some two-toned stripe pattern, usually

>>107170945
no it is not, most things that are cheaper in yurop is of worse quality. As soon as you want to consooom slop, it will be the same $$$ lol.

>>107171542
Retard can you stay on topic. I was talking about purchasing power 50k doesn't do shit in the US while in somewhere like Russia or the EU it goes alot further. Nowhere did i state anything about the quality of goods nore the prices for higher quality items.

>>107171643
50k is not getting you anything in western europe except maybe portugal. I make 50k before taxes but when you account for social security payments and other contributions actual cost to the company is in the upper 150ks according to my cunt of a manager

>>107171643
>purchasing power
that's what I'm talking about too. This CoL bs is just corpospeak to justify discrimination. Try buying a nVidia or iToy in yurop, see if they give you a discount lol.

the cost of buying a new computer is a pretty small percentage of expenses

>>107171744
unemployed neets living with their parents don't know what a normal person spends their money on

>>107171744
Sure how much would a set of tires cost for your car NEET? I have seen people with bald tires pull into fast food places and complain about the government before trying to fix their own self inflicted problems.

>>107171785
did you mean to reply to someone else?

>>107171804
I am stating that a PC costs as much $1-2k as a full set of tires and often is not a small part of the budget for most people.

>>107171643
Do you have reading difficulties or something? Nobody is going to do that kind of work for 50k, not even Romanians.

>>107171830
And what percentage of someone's yearly budget are these purchases over the course of 10 years?

>>107171848
I conseed my point. Has the inflation gotten that bad everywhere after 2019?

>>107171848
Romanians would absolutely take $50K USD

>get taken on as junior software engineer (C++) less than a year out uni at previous job
>they didn't support or train me, basically left me to fend for myself
>said I wasn't keeping up with the team or meeting expectations
>sack me
>that was nearly 6 months ago
>I still haven't found a role, there are barely any junior/graduate positions and I've now been pigeonholed into C++
>had a few interviews but experience is normally the issue
Why did I do a CS degree?

Yeah they call it CS because at the end you're Completely Screwed haha

>>107172035
CS stands for Commit Suicide

>>107171883
Yes, before 2019 and for a junior developer.

>>107170980
"user.name@example.com" is distinct from "username@example.com". If it's not, it's a feature of the email provider.

>>107170980
what

>>107166911
I can put forward every single direct coworker i have in 15 different departments and they will all glaze the fuck out of me because i actually do a good job and im in my element, unlike you a literal exploitative parasite who unironically spends his precious, minimal time on earth behaving like this. You will never be a human being.

>>107166911
After I left my previous job, I had two former coworkers reach out. One volunteered to be my reference and one agreed when I asked them.

>>107172202
All the places I've worked at just do generic references you get from HR saying 'Anon worked here between...', it seems uncommon to have personal ones these days.

>>107171744
do you know what an example is? Consumer goods (incl groceries) are a very big part of expenses. Yurop is usually much more expensive due to taxes. You are left with services. Online services are priced roughly the same, independent of your country. Offline services vary, difference comes down to quality. Also, most westerners have the option for the cheap ones if they so wish see x-tourism, the vice versa is not true.

>>107171643
Note that if you wanna go into Europe and spend only $50k/year, it comes out to a smaller salary since there's a bunch of taxes the employer has to pay before it goes into a salary. So if an employee earns $50k before tax, the employer might be spending closer to $75k (salary + side costs).

>>107171744
My new employer got me an M4 MacBook as a senior developer. Not an M4 Pro, not even an M5. The outgoing M4.

Hopefully the savings are worth it as I wait for shit to compile.

>>107167273
agile is le-cool and modern ok? just get with the times broseph

>>107172250
COME JOURNEYMEN WE HAVE A TON MORE EPICS TO FINISH AND STORIES TO CLEAR!
when are we getting job classes in agile next.
>warrior main dev
>priest are team leads
>strategist is your PM
>NPCs are the stakeholders

I just had a recruiter from a fagman company reach out to me and send me a questionnaire, after sending them my resume a few weeks ago

One of the questions they're asking is if I'll need help relocating to their offices if I was given an offer.
What should I put? Obviously I'm going to need help. Im 23 and have a few thousand dollars in my bank account and even more credit card debt. I can get my family to help me out with the move but It would be 10x better if they could help me out.
At the same time I don't want to say that I need the help, because it might(?) count against me in the recruiting process.

>unlimited pto
>take a day at the end of this month and 2 in december (like the day after christmas, who the fuck wants to work that day)
>all denied
>'you don't need those days off, it'll be dead anyways"
>check calendar, boss is off for literal weeks around christmas / new years
>put PTO back in to be a dick when I see that
>he claims he isn't going to approve it
>tell him he has to I have a trip and the tickets are bought
>he says so does he
>I say it isn't my problem, I'm well within the time frame to get PTO scheduled/approved for this, its 6 weeks out
>he hasn't replied and not accepted/rejected the pto yet

I know hes fucking pissed, he thought I'd just accept it and move on. I, provably, do twice as much work as anyone on this team, including him. I can heaviiiily slow that down though and would be glad to.

>>107172325
Surely they wouldn't have asked if providing help wasn't an option

>>107172356
what shithole do you live/work in that PTO can be denied

>>107172363
Ameristan
I start work very early.

another day another dollar, am I right pedes??

>>107172377
even then, PTO denial requires a legitimate business need at that day like multiple people with the same responsibility being out, or taking PTO the day you're support to have a big meeting
nobody says "you don't need it" what kind of shitty body shop do you work in

>>107172380
another day another septim

>>107172389
The language is unfortunately that PTO being accepted is entirely at the discretion of the manager, thats it, nothing else.

And only half our team works in the US, and I'm the senior engineer. So he was getting pissy about having an engineer on for all of US hours the day after Christmas especially, despite himself claiming half the company would be out and nothing would be going on.

I'm taking that time off whether or not he approves it.

I can barely bill the customer because I'm just waiting for stuff that doesn't depend on me. This sucks. Worked 2 hours today in total.

>>107167472
>>107172190
>>107167182

What the fuck is this normie shit. JFL at 4chan outside of r9k.

I work like 10h a week. I could get more done by working for longer, but if I consistently work this much, they get an idea of what to expect and don't give me more tasks (this is part of a manager's job), and this way I get enough done to not get fired. I am good at programming too, fell in love with it since I was 13 years old.

I could be ambitious in terms of money or career success, but I choose to be ambitious in terms of free time, and be close enough to the NEETGOD life while making a software dev salary.

You're bullying me for saying I am disliked, but I am not that bad, I spend years at a time on the same job, and for example, I was just on a call with a coworker, and helped him debug a problem he couldn't figure out, and we figured it out together.

However, normies can tell when someone is coasting. Probably more due to attitude and vibe than actual output. I eventually get fired from jobs at some point or another, I don't leave them, which is where fake references come in, as well as interviewing skills to get raises when that happens (plus severance pay, which is very good in Europe due to labor laws).

If being disliked by normies is bad, then what am I supposed to do? Be a good boy and work much longer for no reason? Be fucking stupid like them and don't play the system at all?

>>107172240
They should just fork the money over for a ATX Eypc if they actually cared about compile times. Hell even a 32 core threadripper would give you faster compile times.

I hate giving demos or training sessions. Feels like interviews all over again. It's even worse because they always record them too so if you fuck up or say something you're not suppose to they have evidence.

>>107172356
Last year my boss told me the CFO had new pto rules when my contract stated I had unlimited. He then tried to retroactively apply it to me and said I had used all of my PTO in August.
Went to HR immediately. That same day they were on a call, and he suddenly changed the status of my new requests from declined to accepted and we never spoke about it until the new year rolled over.

Most managers genuinely are just absolute fucking morons.

>>107172563
What did you tell HR, for them to take your side?

>>107172570
I just told them it was a violation of what I and the business signed and that it wasn't fair to try and apply a new PTO rule to me that limited my PTO severely in the MIDDLE of the year.

They just instantly agreed and said they'd speak to him.
Turned out the CFO didn't tell him to go and try to apply it to everyone in the middle of the year, he decided that on his own.

>>107172592
high IQ

I never talk to HR about things, I just assume the company is all on the same side, and at most document things to talk to a lawyer later. I will take note of this. Thanks fren.

>>107172528
>being a decent worker = being a normie
shut the fuck up, retard. just accept you are fucking retarded and worse than mediocre. if you can't get references from ex coworkers, it's not because 4chan culture, because you are disliked, coasting or whatever. no one gives a shit about any of that. (You) are the problem.

>>107172356
>unlimited pto
The concept alone is stupid, it just means you have 0 PTO by default and have to always ask for more leave. I'd even go a step futher and say that any system where you can convert PTO days to extra salary at the end of the year means you do not actually have fully paid time off.
Thank god I live in a country with a mandatory minimum of PTO.

>>107172631

Cope and seethe.

You can't even make a logically consistent point. You say it's not because I am coasting, but it is because I am the problem. Well then, if coasting and doing the minimum is not a problem, then I am not doing anything wrong, and normies just bully me for no reason.

GM SAARS

>>107172611
You're right in that HR is there to protect the business, but its exactly this reason you should speak to them when you know somebody is fucking with you or management is doing something to you that you know they shouldn't/can't because HR wants to prevent lawsuits. So if you know you're in the right, they'll be VERY happy to help you most of the time.

HR is basically there to slap overstepping managers repeatedly, because that ends up being 90% of their job.

>>107172633
Only one company truly allowed me to actually use my unlimited PTO for real, but they went under. You're right in that it basically exists to avoid converting unused time off.

>>107172651
you are so fucking stupid, you don't even understand the point of references. if none of your ex coworkers is willing to be your reference, it's because they wouldn't risk their reputation to help you.
think about it.

>Cope and seethe.
I'm not the one who has trouble getting references lmao. my ex coworkers know I'm a fucking asshole when I want to be an asshole. my current coworkers also know I spent long months doing nothing at all when I joined this company. even then, I know for sure they all would absolutely recommend me to prospective employers.

sucks to suck :^)

i mean I'm going to have a tough time getting references because I always burn out at all my jobs and by the time I leave I'm a bitter angry asshole lol

>>107172690
>Burning bridges
I can assure you the field is alot smaller than you can imagine. This will bite you in the ass eventually.

>>107172715

>that one Indian guy that got 70 literal jobs in the span of a year in the bay area alone before being noticed

nahhh I'm not thinking so

Good Night anons i hate night shift.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psGDf2VrvK8

>>107172683

I don't care you fucking normie.

I don't want to be liked by normies. I loathe them. I think I am better than them, so when they dislike me, it means nothing to me. I think that they are less intelligent than me. Do you understand that? And I am proud of facing no repercussions when they don't like me, because I just ask discord friends to be my "reference".

I hate to be this blunt, but I literally just said I can't get good references so I fake them, and you started bullying me.

To me, coasting on remote jobs is not negotiable. I do not want to work more than 2-3 hours 2-3 days a week. And I won't because I am better than other people.

>>107172715
Probably but at my breaking point it gets kinda hard to control it.

>>107172690
Giga IQ

The normies in this thread are bullying me for this. Even though at my first job I was more naive, actually worked hard, and was still mistreated.

>>107172715
This is bullshit, I've never had any problem due to previous coworkers hating me, and there's like hundreds of them at this point in my city alone.

>jeets randomly book me a meeting with no context
>"Hey, can we move this? I need my boss in this meeting"
>they book a time when me and my boss are taking another meeting
??????????????????? helloooo my calendar is RIGHT FUCKING THERE

>designated junior autist codemonkey complaining about being insufferable and nobody liking them for some incomprehensible reason hours
you are a woman, and I mean that as an insult
even jeets can comprehend the basics of office politics and don't act like edgy 14 year olds

>>107172356
Wanna know something worse? My company switched from unlimited PTO to flexible.

Unlimited pto is already bad.
Flexible is significantly worse.
Our new guidelines state we can take as much time as we need "as long as we're reasonable" and as long as "it doesn't interfere with business needs". The second one is the key point. They can essentially indefinitely deny people's PTO requests in my state, it also makes it so that in my state they don't have to pay out accrued PTO since theres no technical cap being set.

My manager has leveraged this against me twice now and theres nothing I can do about it. They essentially can (try to) force me to work indefinitely with no time off ever. They did this so they could do mass layoffs without having to worry about paying out time because state law says you have to.

>>107172782
desu with these types of post idk who's the bad one because I've seen some really autistic people who make mountains over fucking nothing but I've also seen some careless managers just not protecting the team and just letting everyone walk over them and the team.

>>107172727
>normie
lmao, this retard fell hard for the internet culture bs

>I don't want to be liked by normies
>they don't like me
not being liked doesn't mean having them hate you, retard. they are your coworkers, not your friends. if you can't even get references from them it's because you must be a terrible coworker, a terrible WORKER and a terrible PERSON. no wonder you can't get references kek

>you started bullying me
>bawww
not only you must be a terrible coworker, you also victimize yourself.

>I'm entitled to wasting company time
how about, instead of doing that, you find another job that allows you to do that?
oh wait, you can't even get references...

go talk to a psychologist, retard. you have mental issues

>>107172800
America is such a third world country lmao.

>>107172782

You are misunderstanding me. I spend years at a time at the same job. It's not like I am extremely insufferable and everyone hates me.

At the one I am currently at, they like me, and it may be the one where they don't actually fire me and I end up leaving by myself, or I even get a raise in it.

It's just that normies are typically obedient to corporate and very submissive wagies, so they can tell I am coasting and don't like that. Eventually, one of them may start talking shit about me, and that's where things start to go down, I get a few meetings with HR, and eventually get fired.

That's how it worked at my previous two jobs, basically they generally disliked that I was not trying very hard / they could tell I did the minimum, and they were ok with it, until one of them wasn't and he started talking shit and then the others started disliking me too.

>>107172808
if nobody is willing to give you a reference then you are objectively the problem
it has nothing to do with coasting or whatever excuse some tard with a victim complex wants to make it about, nobody cares about coasting unless you are actively a negative influence on the sprint and that's not coasting that's sabotage and makes everyone else have to work harder
it just implies such a deficit in social skills and negative personality traits that I wouldn't be surprised if that guy gets filtered on the HR rounds

>>107172808
I get tasks done. If someone tells me "we need this by the end of the week", with me, it will be reliably delivered before the end of the week. I do not introduce bugs to the codebase or code that's hard to work with. They literally just get worked up over my attitude/vibe because they can tell I am not very invested in the job and just want a stable wage, and they want me to try hard to get promotions or something. They are ok with this for a while because things get done, until they aren't.

So what do you call that? Am I "walking over the team"?

>>107172855
>a deficit in social skills and negative personality traits
kek what a fucking normie

>>107172857
idk what you mean im talking about managers who like take on everything when it's their direct reports doing shit or people that don't push back.
>>107172855
shrug some people get too much on the corporate rat ladder that they look down on people who aren't. i'm just saying but you can get pretty screwed if you are passive with the wrong guy.

>>107172895
those people exist but the odds of not a single person in multiple years over multiple workplaces being willing to say yeah that guy's good I'd vouch for him implies it's a him problem and not a corpo rat problem
from his posts he reads like the average undersocialized 20 year old who thinks being an ass is cool

>>107172813

read this, i explained things better:

>>107172837

btw, when normies do this, i am sure they believe their bad references matter, and i will never be able to get a job again, or something. in reality i dont care at all and i still have very good (fake) references

>>107172724
we don't have a tribal in-group preference by our peers who will provide references to literally anyone in their own tribe, regardless of actual experience (yes I'm saying Indians constantly get fake references)

>>107172570
If it’s in writing and they don’t want to honour it, it’s a breach of contract. It’s that simple.

>>107172914
I mean it could be the opposite. I've seen jobs where people burn out into being assholes when they were pretty high performers.

>>107172914

At one place they were absolutely seething because I left and many things relied on me. They obviously wouldn't help me get another job.

At two others, things basically went to shit due to one normie talking shit behind my back and spreading brainrot to the others. One of them didn't even give me time to learn the codebase there, and the project wasn't even working in my computer anyway. At the other I was objectively delivering within deadlines and had the job for 4 years until that happened.

At my current job, they are ok with me, but I think that they think I am not trying very hard / doing the minimum, won't want to give me a raise, and wouldn't give a very good reference.

It literally is that they are into the corporate rat ladder and look down on me because I'm not. When you say that multiple people disliking me proves that I am the problem, that's basically mob rule logic. Multiple people can be wrong.

>>107172837
>It's just that normies are typically obedient to corporate and very submissive wagies,
stop making shit up. if there are people that are NOT like this, it's tech workers in general. even during hard times, tech people usually know their value, and are smart enough to know that they can just quit and move elsewhere if/whenever they want.
except the mediocre, technically shitty retards, of course. those are gatekept from getting other jobs.
if other retards are bad mouthing you, then make sure to be available when they contact you and to have good excuses for not being able to start working immediately. also don't overdo the coasting maybe? hell, you could tell your employer that you only want to work 3 days a week or 4 hours a day and they might accept that (for a lower pay of course). you seem so mentally rigid, I bet you hadn't thought of that alternative.

>>107172920
>read this, i explained things better:
I was just replying to that post jej

>>107172888
time to ignore that dunning kruger nigga

Genuine question, is anyone itt even "ok" with their job anymore? Does anyone actually have a chill engineering job where they're left to do some modest work, not micromanaged, not harassed by retard managers or jeets or whatever else? Is there any comfy left in this entire industry?

Jw cause I've struck out twice in a row. It's like the asshole levels have turned up by 500% in the past few years. Currently working at a place that wants to simultaneously rush engineers into getting as much work done as possible but also make it as hard as possible to actually get work done with the endless restrictions, meetings, PRs and filters.

>>107172977
fuck jobs
Been doing this 20 years, i'm not even that old but nothing ever changes for the better, it only gets worse. There is no chill. The new generations of managers are even worse than the old ones. They're all faggots and slave drivers.
The trick is to only care about work during business hours. The rest of the time it can fuck off. Live your life for something real and dgaf about jobs.

>>107172931

Correct, we have no network or community at all, which is why no one anywhere would know or care if you told your boss to fuck himself in the ass right before quitting lol

>>107172962

I am not interested in that alternative lmao. In fact I've been recently thinking of making much more money. So far I've been just taking market price for my levels of experience, I've been thinking of rewriting my resume to brand myself as an exceptional dev, or a team lead, and get higher pay at my next job, when they fire me from this one, or eventually leave if they don't.

But that's a whole different story.

I am not technically shit by any stretch of the imagination. I love programming since I was 13. I get a lot done in very few hours of work. And technical skills have never been a problem. Whenever I get a leetcode or programming type test in an interview, I know that's going to play to my advantage vs a social skills type of interview.

You say tech workers are not submissive wagies who want to make their boss happy, because you have different standards of what that means. But from my point of view, they are like that, because they keep getting mad at me for not trying hard.

>>107172977

I'm ok with mine. It's remote and comfy.

>>107172957
>I've seen jobs where people burn out into being assholes when they were pretty high performers.
Literally me.

>>107172957
This played a role for me too. At some point you start hating normies.

>>107172977
Honestly no management feels like a curse too. I'm constant getting worried of having no work and the requests that actually DO come to me are fucking retarded

>>107173001
>I am not technically shit by any stretch of the imagination
>I love programming since I was 13
have you ever thought that, maybe, you have terrible habits, have been carrying them ever since you were a kid and your coworkers hate you for that?

>you have different standards of what that means
I directly tell my boss that I'm not content and that if they want to lay me off, they can do so because it would be a very good thing for me. I tell my coworkers not to defend the company because we are not slaves. we all work remote, wake up at like 10am and dgaf about RTO.

have you ever tried having an honest talk with your coworkers? sounds to me like you just want to complain, play the victim and justify your shitty habits, even though you tell yourself that you are technically good. also, quit the
>normies
shit, mentally ill zoomer.

>>107173065

It's still better than the micromanager. Ranking basically goes like this

1. The good balanced management that can organize and delegate responsibly
2. No management
...
3. The micromanaging retards

>>107172993
fair

who tf is simon willison and when did he became an authority when it comes to ai/llms? What has he achieved that even my normie coworkers parrot his takes?

>>107172977
>>107173065
>>107173091
I functionally have no manager, it's ok since I completely ignored the rto
>have to create my own tasks
>constantly worried about if it looks like I did enough
>can still slack though easy
>have to fend for myself when project managers and others try to scope creep my role
>can't say "I'm overloaded, what should I prioritize" to anyone
>nobody cares what I do unless it doesn't get done (no raise, no bonus)
>nobody I can say that some other teammate is blocking progress

>>107173181
looks like a dime a dozen LLM shill

This onboarding sucks ass.

>>107173088

It sounds like you're mad at me for no reason, for saying on 4chan that my coworkers don't like me, which doesn't even affect you. This kind of proves my point about how people are. Sometimes they were right and I was taking the coasting too far (eg sleeping in and not responding on teams), other times I was doing nothing objectively wrong and one normie still started spreading brainrot about me, and that got me fired. It's kind of 50/50. You are actually partly right in that I did make mistakes.

But let's talk about this point in particular:

>have you ever tried having an honest talk with your coworkers?

This one is tricky. I am in Europe like I said, and there's very rigid labor laws. It's better for me to not say anything and just and let them do their thing (as in, talk about me, have a few stupid HR meetings, before actually firing me when they feel ready or whatever), than having an honest talk and saying something they could record and use against me.

For example, at my last job, if I had had an honest talk with them to make amends, it would have to be kind of along these lines "I made mistakes, you were unfair to me too taking shit when I was actually doing nothing wrong, let's both agree to work on that and get along from now on". And this could be very bad for me legally. It ended well for me in terms of severance pay because I did not talk to them and said nothing substantial in meetings about the "problem".

Anyway. I am now careful about not taking it too far, who knows, maybe I'm just saying all this due to my last two jobs which made me bitter as fuck (you wouldn't believe how insufferable they were, but I know you'll say it was my fault). I no longer sleep in and I am available during the time I am supposed to. I keep a plausible level of performance at all times, and keep appearances in terms of how I communicate with them. I deliver very good quality, and they appreciate it. They may even give me a raise at this one, you never know

anyone else at kubecon rn?

>Your mic has been disabled.
>You can no longer unmute.
Is it over?

>>107173283
>It sounds like you're mad at me for no reason
idgaf about you, I'm analizing the situation based on what you say here.

sucks if you had shitty job experiences, but you can't extend your attitudes to new jobs.

also, your coworkers are not HR. just be as honest with other people as much as you can (not more, not less), there is no need to make shit up.

also, make sure to stand for your rights and for your wellbeing. you don't work to build a company or whatever, you work to make money. think of your position in the org: the org exists to make its owners money. you make them money, they pay you for that... you can negotiate stuff based on that.

>I know you'll say it was my fault
anon, you showed yourself to be insufferable ITT. >muh normies >muh bullying and shit is not the attitude of an adult. also, coasting means being a burden to your coworkers. ever thought of that?

>Europe
regarding burn out: it is YOUR responsility to worry about your mental health and overall wellbeing. don't let people and companies exploit you so much that you can't function as a person. but also stop thinking you are entitled to things you haven't been granted (in this case, free time). sure, you can coast all you want, but that's obviously not what your employers want from you...
if you live in Europe, you surely have great worker rights. take advantage of them.

Be honest, have you gotten caught with a phishing email?

>>107172631
Good goy, keep adding shareholder value!

>>107173546
my job doesn't make my employer any money. it consists of taking advantage of FUD :^)

>>107173525
no but the fuckin security tests make phishing emails that look 99% like a real email and i got caught, but it's like 1/50 chances lol so who cares

Let's admit that this general is a little contrarian. No matter what, what you say some guy in here will sperg the opposite

>>107172977
All jobs are cucked like this
Even if you are self employed, you'd have a customer acting the same way as your boss is. If you are thriving, you have the luxury of bailing on them otherwise you're equally cucked
The only way to escape this is to invest and save up enough money that it works for you and no one can cuck you either through NEETing or having the power in your job to say lol lmao to anything you get told to do

>>107173546
What's wrong with shareholder value?
Don't you have investments?
You don't actually live hand to mouth like some nigger do you?

Let's hear some investments! :D
what are you currently investing in

>>107173546
>not being an entitled retard when taking advantage of corporations = adding shareholder value
LMAO, some "people" ITT are so fucking stupid.

>share google sheet
>the only options are 1 person or the whole company
why is meta so weird

>>107173588

My stack is something like

20% IBIT
40% SSO
40% VOO

blindly set and invest for years now, doing well. I have home equity as well but that doesn't really count.

>>107172813
>lmao, this retard fell hard for the internet culture bs
You're on 4chan mate. How dense are you?

>>107173499
No, he's right. You sound like typical NPC dumb nigger cattle. Eat shit and die.

>>107173588
I only have like 20k in mutual funds.

>>107172528
Based. I'm trying to do something similar with freelancing. Although, I don't mind working long hours.

>>107173588
200k in betterment fuck if I know

>>107172655
No, they won't. HR will always side with management. They are scum and should be treated as such.

>>107173499

I'm glad you seem to understand my point somewhat. In the sense that you recognize I've had shitty job experiences and it was not all me being insufferable or something.

There's a fundamental point we're not making progress in, and it's on the topic of how much work is acceptable. I do not want to not be exploited, I do not want to stand for my rights. I want to fuck them over. I want to work less than I am supposed to and get away with it, while still keeping plausible performance (both by setting low expectations by being consistent like I said, and because being good at programming also helps). I am ambitious in terms of how much time of the day I have to myself. I want to be reasonably close to the NEETGOD life without actually being unemployed.

You talk like you are standing up to your bosses and not a good goy, but you are actually doing what they want, which is why they let you do this and still like you. And you are proud of doing a good job for them. Jfl

>>107173640
>>107173645
mad as fuck.
you must be another insufferable, self-victimizing cunt that has no clue how to take advantage of companies without harming your coworkers.
my whole team would laugh at your retardation. literally everyone in this industry knows tech is a scam designed to take advantage of retards.

>>107173600
That's it little goy, you're one of the good ones! You tell him!

>>107170980
That's standard-compliant behavior.
Isn't Gmail the only mail provider that treats dots in the local part as non-existent?

>>107173698
>that has no clue how to take advantage of companies without harming your coworkers
I ensure that I do both at every position I occupy.
Get on my level nerd.

>>107173692
>You talk like you are standing up to your bosses and not a good goy, but you are actually doing what they want, which is why they let you do this and still like you. And you are proud of doing a good job for them. Jfl

yeah man, I'm getting references from coworkers because I'm good for the corpo and not because I have a decent relationship with other tech workers and we all know how to leech from these corpos.
meanwhile, you come here and admit get fired for getting burned out.

kek, the fucking nerve of this faggot

keep victimizing yourself, retarded zoomer
>omg STOP BULLYING ME ONLINE!! BAWW

>>107172690
Eh, that's normal. Managers are usually assholes so I try to be an even bigger asshole to them.

>>107173698

you are such a good little goy

>without harming your coworkers

i couldn't give less of a SHIT if a coworker does nothing all day, and i wont make up for it, meaning, if a coworker is on my level, he won't care, if they're good goys, i dont care about hurting them

keep adding shareholder value

>>107173698
Phew, you should really do something about all these projections. It's not healthy.

>first one on one with new manager
>asks me how an API works
where the fuck do they find these people?

>I'm European and I get burned out but I won't take advantage of the benefits the system offers to me
>my coworkers are wrong for not giving me references. fucking normies!
>you are bullying me how much of a shitty, retarded, mentally ill person I am
top kek. the other anon was right. this must be a woman. too fucking stupid, and completely lost

>>107173757

You still don't understand that I don't need references?

You don't understand that workers and the corpo are the same thing because workers are submissive to the corpo and care about it?

Do you deadass think that if you're likeable, a good person, or whatever, but don't try hard at the job and play games for a promotion, then corporate won't like you but coworkers will? As if they're two different entities?

JFL

>>107173789

They're no longer former engineers, all business retards. This is another bad development. It was critical for managers to have been former engineers and understand both sides of the process.

>>107173803
you are so fucking good that you have to ask your "discord friends" for references. and you say that without a single drop of shame.
lulz

>>107173687
Are you retarded and or lacking reading comprehension?

HR will side with executive management/senior leadership. If your local HR roastie hears that your boss is mis-applying a PTO policy to you (which gets into legal battle territory) they will absolutely correct it.
They are there to protect the business, not your low level middle manager.

Not saying they aren't scum, but they can be incredibly useful when you know you are right. I'm guessing thats a hard ask for you though.

>>107173800

You absolute retard kek, keep adding shareholder value goy

I take full advantage of the system, that's my entire point. Labor laws make it harder to get fired, which enable coasting. And then when I get fired, I get severance pay.

I also don't need references.

>>107173823
>and you say that without a single drop of shame
Of course.

>>107173800
What are women even doing here? Don't they have their own irl support groups?

>>107173891
I am not a fucking dumb foid. I said I am good at programming and do it since I was 13, how could I be a woman.

>>107173903
show bobs and vagene saar

>>107173789
>>107173814
Uhmmm sweatie, they're managing people not software why would they need to know how to do that when they can just tell you to do it?

>getting lectured and criticized on an aspect of work I don't care about
>mfw developer getting grilled for going too fast when teaching the seniors at our work on how to press a button.
bro this should be a favor im doing you. I literally don't give a shit about presentations and I'm sorry if I need to teach granny how to use her computer for her job. this is way out of my scope. Maybe I am being a brat but I fucking hate being voluntold to do something and then they start criticizing the way I'm doing shit when I give a rat's ass about it.

>>107173687
>HR will always side with management.
Not if the management is doing something illegal, since that opens the company to huge legal liabilities.

>>107174024
You vill listen to me bikeshed instead of doing something and you vill be happy

>YOU are a good goy!
>I live in Europe but I don't make use of worker protection laws, not even when burned out
>I am not honest with my coworkers because that's legally risky
>but somehow I'm getting a raise and a promotion even though I admit working 10hs a week
>I also can't get references from coworkers
>so I have to ask internet "friends" for that instead
>fucking normies reeeeeee
I just realized... this guy must be a narcissist, and probably a psychopath. no wonder he's paranoid and victimizes himself so much.
I bet this insufferable faggot would make a great good-goy manager. he'd exploit the fuck out of his underlings by micromanaging them while doing nothing of value himself. these are the kind of retards that make the tech industry worse for tech workers.

>>107174089
I forgot to mention
>>I also can't get references from coworkers
>even though I'm really good technically speaking! I've been programming since I was 13
the mark of a narcissist...

>>107174071
I'm trying my best to tune my brain to "this shit doesn't matter" but they keep going "haha, this shit kinda does matter" and I'm like okay? not my fault you dispatch your lowest charismatic guy to a charismatic task.

I always get great references from everybody and I'm incredibly racist and antisemitic in public.
Skill issue.

>>107174024
just stop caring

>>107174149
thats what im doing!!!!!!

>>107174089
>>107174108

How stupid are you, coasting is literally making use of worker protection laws. I also get good severance pay if I get fired, because of them. Good goys are the ones who don't play that card.

I get raises and promotions BY CHANGING JOBS. At the new one they have no idea about any of this.

I can't get references from coworkers because they are good goys like you. They don't care about technical skills, they just see I'm not trying that hard and get mad.

I explained this multiple times.

>>107174089
>>107174108
Not the anon you're replying to, but I can't believe you're still mad.

Do you work on personal projects on company time? I found out that it's strangely motivating.

>>107174089
bro it's just an unemployed neet larping don't take him so seriously

>>107174219
The problem it's hard when you're rto
>bring your own laptop
>get nervous if someone sees something they're not suppose to, or they're going to report you
>do it on company laptop
>corporate and cyber security lighting up your asshole

>>107174238
I wouldn't do that in the office or on company hardware, of course. You're just asking for trouble.

>>107174222

Boss' good boy absolutely seething

>>107174185
then why worry!
>>107174219
yeah it's all real world shit though, not technical.

>>107174275
because they keep overly pushing it that it's making my competitive side go a little "huh maybe I should put more effort in this" reeee fuck that
>>107174256
ugh rto is the worst

>>107174306
well then you're worried about what they might think, but you know you shouldn't be, because they wont do anything but talk if you don't do 200%, and fuck that shit

>>107174319
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKING YOU SHOULD DO THIS THEN HOLY SHIT I HATE SENIOR EXECUTIVES FUCKKKKKKKKKKK

>>107174355
they don't know shit, and they ruin everything by getting involved

>Completely phone it in for nearly a week
>Not even doing the bare minimum, only work if somebody calls and complains that something is literally down
>Check KPI dashboard
>50% higher performance than everyone else in the department
Adult daycare out here, sheesh

>>107174207
>coworkers are good goys
>They don't care about technical skills
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
most tech workers do care about technical skills, and they wouldn't have trouble being your references if you were good.
also, you keep confusing technical skills with productivity.
you narcissistic retard believe one can't see how you do corporate politics. yet you still claim not to be a good-corporate-goy.

>>107174222
right, I hadn't realized but this could even be a bot. thanks for warning me.

still, I'm having fun at his expense.
look at how he reacts so violently. see how he fails to understand basic shit that one learns from experience, even though he claims to be experienced.

he keeps adding more and more shit to justify his narcissistic actions while claiming everyone else is wrong. literally zero ethics. but he's the victim of society. and not a good goy, of course.

anyway, yeah, time to stop.

Just got a million dollar idea that I could realize within a couple months while also improving the job market for all good actors, while punishing the bad actors.

>>107174544
seethe

I finished my sprint early but I'm not gonna tell anyone because then they'll just give me more work to do

>>107174670
I'm the guy that hands out the work and I do not blame you in the slightest.

>boomer coworker wants favors after playing games and annoying me
The audacity of these geezers is really astounding. I have no moral code for old people lay in your bed now.

>>107172829
>posted from romania

>>107174616
Unless its something that destroys AI globally, it isn't shit

Does anyone WFH and stuck with a nuclear family and have parents that don't fucking understand that you are working from home and have work meetings?

Wasted my time reading their job description PDF, then at the end of page 3:
>Education and Experience:
>1. Requires a Bachelor’s degree (in any field).
>2. Requires a minimum of one year of customer service (library experience preferred).
>3. Requires experience with computer equipment and software applications.
1: Associate degree in general studies.
2. No.

Best. Teambuilding. Ever. :)

https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1762884245927037.webm

>Apply to company
>Some HR roastie from another company reaches out about my application
>search up their company name
>"BUSINESS CONSULTING AND WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS USING AI DRIVEN WORKFLOWS"

>>107175089
just ignore it and apply anyway. Those are just preferences. I have no higher education and I'm the boss as of this year. The interview is where they decide if they like you.

>>107175089
>>>/g/utwg

>>107175127
wtf

>>107175141
kek

>>107175067
>nuclear family
that's a weird way to say you're underaged and living with your mom

hate hate hate hate hate writing my resume so much

>>107175067
No, I moved out when I got a job.

>>107175067
my sister is like 12 and she thought I was unemployed for years when I still lived with my parents

>>107175174
OK, thanks for the advice. On the resume and cover letter I won't mention my lack of their certificate and customer service experience. The job I'm thinking of applying for is nothing special or high-paying anyways. (Also, I turned down this one customer service or call center site that reach out to hire me years ago).

I WILL avoid working as much as possible, and I WILL take advantage of your retardation and disorganization and your love for the corporation, and I WON'T GIVE A SHIT.

>>107175141
>>"BUSINESS CONSULTING AND WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS USING AI DRIVEN WORKFLOWS"

I will poison you during the company christmas party :3

>every project I'm in is literally failing
>they're all retarded, soulless and painful
>find new jobs to fallback on, but they all require onsite, 5 days a week.
is it over for me?

>>107175269
Try to pad your resume to add relevant experience in whatever your previous jobs were.
>worked directly with customer service department on enhancements and problem resolution/change management
>worked with business on research including using their library of documentation
>experience with computer equipment (duh everyone has this)
>experience with various software applications including implementation, integration and enhancements
This will help it get past the AI, the HR foid, and to the manager who will get down to the point.

>>107175301

COVID and wfh was our icarus moment. We got a taste of the sky, but flew too close to the sun. The fall back to earth will be more painful than the old reality ever was knowing what has been.

>>107175301
try to go through a consulting agency that will negotiate for you to be hybrid. Everyone is pushing for that now but it's not based on anything that is really happening

>>107175324
>>107175326
the job specifically can never be remote to be completely fair... it's literally worse in some ways for more reasons than my current one, but should be more predictable and I can force a promo.
idk

I just give up.

>>107175339
good, kill yourself so my value goes up :3

>>107175339
why? IRL hardware?

>>107175355
>kill yourself
nah, I'll try and coast out my finances to do 5yrs without waging at this rate. more worried about "MUH GAP YEAR" of if the 2008 tier bubble explodes sooner or later.

>>107175359
airgapped network, if that helps.

>>107175386
nta
so, either banks or military/glowie shit.
how much are you being paid?

>>107175395
~1/8th million USD, but the area is high cost so it doesn't go far.
I can probably negotiate more if I give up WFH was my goal.

>>107175411
>~1/8th million USD, but the area is high cost
>WFH
do you live in a hcol area currently?

>>107175239
There's dozens of us man. Rent sucks when your city is an asshole and only gives cheap to jeets

>>107175411
>~1/8th million USD
what a fucking sperg, why do you write it like this? Just say 125k

>>107175459
yes. The job is internal transfer.
>>107175463
>cheap to jeets
could be the giga jeets own a lot of the buildings, kind of like some weird c-store thing, but my guess is the jeets just stack up like 4 to 8 a unit. I knew some weirdo startup cuck pre-covid had like 6 guys, who were all his employees, living in the same apartment in Cambridge Mass. Some fucking people are animals and can handle it. I can't.

Any other South Carolina anons? I'm moving down :-)

>>107175512
because I like to think in millions.
It's more honest than "6 figures" and my goal in life is to at least reach $1/4 million a year in the next few years, which is a nice, beautiful fraction anyone can appreciate.

>>107175127
>Americans will do this and talk shit about Europeans on literally ANYTHING

>>107175411
>~1/8th million USD
who fucking counts like that
are you ~1/8th retarded?

>>107169538
Sure, pay me a monthly salary in advance off the books and you'll get me working for you, only real way to get a second job here.

>>107175519
Yeah we know, apartments are like 2-2.5k for a studio and we all know it's like 10 jeets splitting it. I could move out sure but fuck me with 2k/2.5k a stack that's like working to live territory.
Working back with a nuclear family sucks.

>>107175551
He's trying to dress up his $125k salary. Not even $300k LMAO

I hope I can actually do some work tomorrow so I can leech money from my customer.

>>107175522
Fuck off we're full

>>107175670
Full of wiggers and carpetbaggers

What's with people talking about sending thousands of job applications in the /utwg/ thread? Are they actual jeets looking for visa sponsorship or genuine retards who spam their resume to every tech-related job opening, despite having no education nor experience?

>>107175827
KYS BOOMER

>>107175827
As a hiring manger, I'll clue you in. It's very frustrating that almost no candidates get past HR's automated AI bullshit screening system. It's keeping out people HR thinks "will become expensive" and favoring totally shit candidates, but it takes forever because most applicants are being ignored by the system. I get hardly any interviews for open positions and that's by design. Candidates have no choice by to apply thousands of times because 99.9% of the time they're being auto-ignored and never responded to.

>>107175670

Apparently not :--)

>>107175872

"Just knowing people" and finding ways to directly email people at a company stay undefeated in hit rate. It doesn't help that the internet is full of bots, spam, and scammers now that auto annhilate any job posting.

>>107175827
go read gergely orosz's report on the tech job market articles, basically all retarded juniors are using bots to mass spam applications everywhere, making inbound totally useless for recruitment with all the noise, and then while complaining that their spam made the job postings useless they double down on the spam with AI written CVs and cover letters
most hiring these days is recruiters reaching out or referalls

https://newsletter.pragmaticengineer.com/p/state-of-the-tech-market-in-2025-hiring-managers
here, I found the article

>>107175987
What is there to gain for the fake applications?

>>107176019
the "fake" applications mean people pretending to be another person during interviews and then switching after passing
it's why some companies are talking about bringing back in-person interview stages

WHAT IS WRONG WITH MY RESUME
WHY THE FUCK IS NO ONE HIRING ME
AAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHHHH

>no degree
>no actual tech experience
>analyst
>summary at the top
>skills are random phrases
>non-standard email domain
>vague bulletpoints that say nothing concrete
>the words developed and analyzed used 17 times

>>107176081
You guys don't have a picture in your resume?

>>107169695
what >>107169756 said. Some companies have Jr. and Sr. some have a mid position and other even have like 10 seniority levels.

>>107176105
>>no degree
b8, but I'll keep going.
>>no actual tech experience
>security isn't tech
>>analyst
?
>>summary at the top
again, ?
>>skills are random phrases
not random, you really should work on literacy if you plan on staying here, Ranjesh.
>>non-standard email domain
lmao
>>vague bulletpoints that say nothing concrete
what exactly would qualify as "concrete"?
>>the words developed and analyzed used 17 times
>he doesn't know what corpojargon is
Yikes.

>>107176110
No.

>>107176081
>no degree
lol

>>107173789
API is functionally a buzzword and barely anyone knows what it means. I noticed that too when I was in the work force.

>>107176163
>is told why the toilet rag he uses as his resume is shit
>deflects like a 12 year-old

>>107176163
>point what's wrong with it
>act sassy
ok get fucked nigger keep presenting your faggot resume and get rejected everywhere

>>107176105
>>107176170
>debtslaves coping because they can't accept the fact that their $250,000 piece of paper is getting them nowhere
you love to see it.

>>107176188
>can't defend his own retarded shitpost
>resorts to ad hominem
>muh d-deflecting!!

literally kys

>>107176189
he literally said that working 3 years in security isn't tech experience and you think he's arguing in good faith.
the absolute state of this board, I swear. zoomers are taking over.

>>107176047
kek. that's a pretty good fake though.

please stop spamming the enter key in all your posts it's really obvious
>>107176218
they were probably using one of those AI face models that scans someone and makes you look similar
left looks like a mexican while right is asian

>>107175987
feel like an arrow is missing from well before that time.
I really wish we could just hire random people and fire them after about a week if they suck ass. the fact you can't do this shit without a bunch of HR bullshit and putting people on PIPs and shit is why hiring is so retarded.

if you pass a minimal threshold of competenancy or credentialing, just hire, make them do something, pass / fail them through. obviously it's paid work, but still.

>>107176235
>doesn't want to give me a (You)
>can't resist replying anyway
seethe more, neet. enjoy bragging that you went to whatever ivy league garbage debt farm to other normies that give a fuck about that sort of thing.

>>107176191
mine was free, I'm not a mutt

>>107176293
>bootlicker
>proud
o i am laffin

>>107170098
It's a decent amount for Latin Americans. Have a friend in Mexico that works as a backend engineer with 5 YOE and earns this but he's pretty picky about the job comfort.

>>107176163
>No.
You're brown, ugly or both.

I have been using my looksmaxxing to get HR roasties to call me for years.

>>107170234
I think this >>107170261 is kinda BS.
I don't have a crazy amount in industry and definitely think it'll 100% help you to know people but I have got all my jobs without any reference whatsoever, if anything I actively avoided my uni classmates for being smug rich kid assholes. And around 70% of the uni try-hards got mediocre jobs anyways.
Make projects and show genuine interest in learning and being proficient with a technology and try to stand out with a neat project.
Having a recommendation from your university program coordinator or whatever the fuck can't hurt either but I don't think it'll have that much of an impact.
At the end of the day it's a crap shoot, but if you keep learning and applying what you know and leave a decent impression at work (become indispensable by owning a feature/becoming a source of truth, being liked/trusted by most, solving other peoples problems; choose 2 and you're set) you float to the top of the pile.

>>107171457
1. Get a remote job and subcontract 2 interns.
2. ???
3. Profit!

>>107176323
nta but
>you are a bootlicker if you take advantage of what the state provides you
what the fuck is wrong with mutts lmao

I don't have a degree though. and if someone doesn't want to hire me for my lack of degree, that's a positive self-filter from them for me.

>>107176498
>proudly uneducated yuropoor
self own, lmao

>>107176081
get some CVEs, add OWASP to the list of things you have experience with and you might have a whole new market to explore.

>>107176516
>no degree = uneducated
proud product of the pay-to-win amerimutt "education" system lmao

>shared my password to a bunch of executives during a meeting because I was sharing my screen and not window
AHHHHHHH

>>107170098
pay me (Autistic x10 savant) $50k/year remote and I (Autistic x10 savant) will not only work 10 hours a day for 5 days a week, but I (Autistic x10 savant) will also be on call 24/7 and I (Autistic x10 savant) brownnose you in every meeting

reason: I (Autistic x10 savant) will be able to move to East Europe with my (Autistic x10 savant) beautiful Latvian zoomer queen and she (mentally ill BPD tomboy) can be a stay at home bedrotting housewife

>>107174544

Kek

I think not being able to tell when someone is clearly not a bot is on the same level of low IQ as the "grok is this real" people. Regardless of how utterly wrong I may be according to you, you can clearly see actual feelings and intent in what I write, so what are you talking about "a bot"?

Of course people care about technical skills. They would not want to work with someone who has never written even one line of code, so just from this counter example, it's obvious that they care. I didn't mean that literally.

From my pov they don't care about technical skills, because I have them, a lack of them has never been a problem, and I've still been disliked by easily most people I've worked with.

>you narcissistic retard believe one can't see how you do corporate politics. yet you still claim not to be a good-corporate-goy.

Well, I get work done for them. So in a sense, I am. So what?

You're seething and coping so fucking hard. Because from getting mad at me over this I can already tell that you're a very good goy. Corporate's good boy. And then you tell me, "no, I'm not! I stand for my rights!". Sure. My dog also stands for his right to have me walk him, and will insist that I do. Jfl

Meanwhile, I would never stress over work or take it too seriously. I would never work anywhere near the hours I'm supposed to. I would never play their games for a potential promotion or raise. I do not care about the job. My life is close to that of a NEETGOD in practice. And that's why normies, the same kind of dumb normies who then hypocritically share motivational quotes like "don't live to work broo" and like Fight Club, hate me for it. Like you.

>>107176761
>>107176722
>>107176498
>>107176239
>>107176214
what's with the reddit spacing?

>>107176479
>1. Get a remote job
error on line 1

>>107176777

what are you talking about?

>>107176777

That's not reddit spacing.


The "reddit spacing" thing comes from a while ago, reddit was different back then. On the reddit editor you had to separate paragraphs like this, like I'm doing in this comment to demonstrate, with a double empty line, or the editor would fuck up your post. So redditors did that here.


Reddit has not worked like that for years, and now newfags call separating paragraphs reddit spacing. kek

>>107176761
Didn't read

why is the bot replying to itself
>>107176777
the bot is not that smart

>>107176821
Don't care tranny

>>107176827
it's a highly advanced bot that is AI powered

>>107176834
80% of this site is llm-spam trained on the archives

>>107176850
not me though I am human

>>107175872
Jeet/AI schizobabble.

>>107176081
>education
>November, 2024
>single month
?

>>107175539
do you have a loicense to boast about that 40 pound squid salary and knoife croime?

>>107176715
the rich should be forced to give to the poor
true

it's good to give to the poor
conditional, i always like the whole help those who can help themselves

As long as people are good, it doesn't matter if people are different or not
yeah, but good is very subjective and who fucking know what that is so do whatever the fuck you want, people should just have balance

humanity should be as diverse as possible
pros and cons to both

humans should always try to be self reliant
yes, farming resources without being able to create will fuck us over

it would be good if only those with the most merit held power
mixed. merit doesn't always equal not corrupt.

it would be good if everything was decided democratically
mixed. lots of misinformation

a good strong governing body is ideal
mixed, centralized power never seems to not be corrupt

order is more important than freedom
false as long as it doesn't interfere too much with others freedom

You should always think of others before yourself
true

>>107177117
fuck off with the reddit spacing

>>107176239
actually we can solve this by having better labor laws like europe where firing anyone is illegal

@everyone hello

>>107177545
good morning sir

>>107177545
Quite early for you saaar!

Whenever I open this thread it's on the verge of fucking page 10 and I have to make a new because all these motherfuckers are too lazy

No more

>>107177591
>you can't post on a thread that still needs an hour to get archived because... because you just can't ok!

Why do "veterans" get a holiday for themselves but us programmers do not ? We as Software Engineers are defining the world from scratch they did not do shit.

>we
>us

Indians have really made IT unenjoyable.

new >>107177742

>>107177742

>>107177742

>>107177742

>>107173825
Stop sucking that HR dick you homonigger.

>>107175894
>It doesn't help that the internet is full of bots, spam, and scammers now that auto annhilate any job posting.
If only you could get a job all on physical paper and in person. A rare thing now.