Thread 17753617

>No music allowed
How THE FUCK did this religion ever got even one follower?

>>17753617 (OP)
Convert or die is a pretty convincing argument for most people anon

I actually feel bad vibes and internal bad feelings when I listen to music. At least non-classical music. So, it was somehow truthful.

>>17753631
>This nigga can't even listen to Kenny Rogers without his autism kicking in
You live in a nightmare anon.

>>17753620
Honestly I'd rather die than having to live without music.

>>17753617 (OP)
>it's not enough I numb my faculties with intoxicants I also need my hearing impaired 24/7

>>17753617 (OP)
Who told you no music is allowed in Islam and why did you believe them?

>>17753638
Why do you act as if the entire universe that is music is only reduced to degenerate rap?

>>17753637
Would you seriously consider that if I had your hair in my hand and a sword in the other?

>>17753638
Imagine the layers of serious untreated mental illness that went into making this image.

>>17753641
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000

>>17753635
You seem very immature, but I'll still explain it. In my spiritual senses, I feel negative vibes. This has no source in the brain or the psychological, it stems from darkness that comes out of these music pieces.

>>17753659
>In my spiritual senses, I feel negative vibes.
What are you, a woman?

>>17753660
No. Just know, especially modern music, gives bad vibes. This is coming from a deep meditator and prayerful person.

>>17753664
Modern pop music has always been slop, that's not surprising, but there's an entire ocean of music that is not pop that you probably wouldn't find negative.

>>17753664
Not all music is modern anon.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6EDErVq3wvNPGYTzV-8LL7aCrd7RSxrY

>>17753673
Classical is not negative. But apart from that nothing positive comes to mind.

>>17753685
>But apart from that nothing positive comes to mind.
Maybe you should go on a journey and explore new music. Because if you can't think of anything other than classical music and modern pop music, that says quite a lot about how little you know about music.

>>17753642
All music eventually devolves into talking about the same things, go ahead and look at the lyrics of the popular shit people are listening to today. You cannot tell me that is not evil. And you also cannot cope by saying just go for the niche bands because in many cases they are worse and it's a gateway drug.
>b-but classical
ah yes encouraging people to spend hundreds of hours vibrating strings and doing weird finger movements just so they can eventually assist degenerate singers in the background
>no chud we only do wholesome chungus Jesus music here
mocking God and his prophets is no better

>>17753659
>You seem very immature, but I'll still explain it.
I need a good laugh, thanks bro
>In my spiritual senses, I feel negative vibes.
Absolutely feminine
>This has no source in the brain or the psychological, it stems from darkness that comes out of these music pieces.
That honestly sounds like untreated psychosis. If you can't listen to The Little Ships or even something like Octopus' Garden without feeling the lurking dread, you might be genuinely insane.

>>17753697
>All music eventually devolves into talking about the same things
Maybe because music is human an deals with the same universal themes that everyone understands?
> go ahead and look at the lyrics of the popular shit people are listening to today.
Why do you keep focusing on just popular music when there is so much more out there? It's pop music because it's always a fad, people forget about it quickly and move on to the next thing, none of it has staying power.

>>17753697
>All music eventually devolves into talking about the same things,
Profoundly ignorant post
>You cannot tell me that is not evil
It's not evil
>its a gateway drug
lmao
>mocking god and his prophets
If this is what you're defeated by I'd say that's more of a mockery than anything I could say lol

The vast majority of Muslims don't even follow this rule anyways from what I understand. Islam is just like Christianity in that they always conveniently ignore rules or tenets of their religion whenever it clashes with modernity or social standards but they'll always be that one spastic fundamentalist that wants to ruin everyones fun anyways.

>>17753699
I am indeed an insane person if we take modern standards and modernity as a measuring comparison. But no, I believe in what I believe and it's fully true real to the max. See ya bro I gotta go pray and maybe meditate.

>>17753721
>I am indeed an insane person if we take modern standards and modernity as a measuring comparison.
By the standards of reality, you mean? Yeah.
>But no, I believe in what I believe and it's fully true real to the max.
My uncle said the same thing and he's in a room with padded walls, screaming about lizard men watching him through the TV
>See ya bro I gotta go pray and maybe meditate.
Have fun dude. Just don't touch that radio dial or you'll be exposed to the evil vibrations of music.

>>17753705
>the same universal themes
Well of course, it is designed to tug on the heart strings after all. How else will an artist ensure you keep coming back for more? This daemonic construct requires emotional manipulation and nothing does that better than preying on the weaknesses (our sins and insecurities) of humanity. You could theoretically make a song about anything but how many will listen to you sing about beautiful birds over immoral sexual relationships?
>Why do you keep focusing on just popular music when there is so much more out there?
I don't as I said it can get way more filthy. The thing is pop is actually one of the least disgusting because it gets tested by the public not to exceed current moral bounds. But even if I did, pop/rap/etc is what the vast majority of people listen to so it would be wise to warn people against this popular drug.
>>17753711
>praising racism and cuckoldry (HH N-word) is not evil I swear!
And it has nothing to do with defeat either. You just don't disrespect the Lord, it's that simple

>>17753754
>>praising racism and cuckoldry (HH N-word) is not evil I swear!
Schizoposter literally invents shit to be mad about. News at eleven!
>its got nothing to do with defeat
Fleeing from a snappy tune like it's a crucifix being brandished at a vampire is pretty well and truly a defeat anon. I can slap a bongo in a rythmn and you'll feel the darkness at the edge of human perception creep in lol
>Don't disrespect the lord
I'll disrespect whomever I please if I feel it's warranted. I

>>17753617 (OP)
You need to realize that 'music' as you know it was largely invented in the 20th-century. Before mass media, people weren't constantly stimulated as they are today. "No music allowed" was very easy to go by

The guitar (the most popular instrument of all time) was invented by Muslims under their conquest of the Iberian Penninsula. The root word of guitar, 'tar' is literally the sanskrit word for "string" which is why you get similar sounding instruments like the Sitar

>>17753766
>The word "guitar" ultimately derives from the ancient Greek word "kithara," which referred to a lyre-like instrument. This word then evolved through various languages: Latin ("cithara"), Spanish ("guitarra"), and finally into English as "guitar". The modern guitar, as we know it, is a descendant of these earlier stringed instruments.
Why do mudslimes like lying so often?

>>17753769
guitar
Etymology:
>From Spanish guitarra, from Arabic قِيثَارَة (qīṯāra), from Ancient Greek κῐθᾰ́ρᾱ (kĭthắrā). Doublet of cithara, cither and zither.
So in other words both origins are technically correct

>>17753775
Well no, because ancient greek predates your claim, and muslims didn't invent the guitar as we know it today, Christian Frederick Martin did, an evolution of that type of instrument which again, goes back to ancient Greece.

>>17753763
How am I inventing anything? You said it isn't evil. This was one of the most popular songs recently despite it being banned pretty much everywhere except a few places
>wanting to stay away from evil is actually defeat
Nope, falling for it is. And anyway I see you're an atheist with that kind of attitude from the rest of your post so you would not get it.

>>17753784
C.F. Martin did indeed invent the guitar as we know it today but where we get the word for Guitar is clearly from Arabic-Spanish regardless of its ultimate Greek origin. There are a handful of similar instruments found throughout the Muslim world such as the Dutar
>Its name comes from the Persian word for "two strings", دوتار do tār (< دو do "two",تار tār "string"), although the Herati dutar of Afghanistan has fourteen strings.
So sure, if you want to be pedantic you could argue the Guitar comes from the Greek Lyre and if you really wanted to be pedantic I guess you could also argue in favor of C.F. Martin

>>17753790
>Heil Hitler is bad
Most music isn't nazi rap, dipshit
>Staying away from music is actually strong!
lol didn't you say you were gonna pray and meditate like an hour ago? Why are you shitposting and making Christians look pathetic when you could be praying?

Modern music is pretty bad but classical music is a net positive influence, it's a reliable method for restaurants who want to keep away blacks and other rowdy groups of people

>>17753822
So what? You're delusional if you believe there's anything but evil in what you're defending.
>didn't you say
That's not me. Oh wow two people with similar opinions! Also I am not trying to do that, I am warning them and you not to follow the accursed one.

>>17753697
>jews tell my ancestors 2000 years ago music is evil
>'no'
>jews spend the next 2000 years corrupting all culture to make music as disgusting and niggerish as possible
>'you see goy? I was right, music is evil'

>>17753754
>swating back and forth during worship
they learned that directly from jews btw, the humping the torah while they read it thing is supposed to imitate flame wicks or some shit

>ALL music is literally demonz guise!
>whenever I plug in my earbuds I feel like I'm being assaulted by le darkness
Not even 80s era Christians who thought metal was satanic were this off the wall. At least your average 80s era Baptist could listen to Willie Nelson without having a panic attack.

>>17753978
>80s era Christians
and you think they are paragons of the faith because?

>>17753996
>MUSIC IS PAGAN!!!! DANCING IS PAGAN!!! HAVING SEX IS PAGAN!!!! ITS ALL PAGAN!!!!!!!1
what explains this neurotic behavior amongst jews and their adjacent religions?

>>17754004
>paganism is le good
Early Christians actually cared about opposing Satan and his instruments of evil. This is also why you could see them smash idols left and right. This all has changed however and modern christians and atheists alike cheer for this development

>>17754015
>paganism is bad because....le jews said its satan!
kek. they call you people goylems for a reason

>>17753642
Because he has no arguments otherwise. He also has no grasp on America other than what the lowest common denominator of media exports gets sent to his shithole country.

>>17754031
No it's evil because an ontologically good and omniscient being said so.
>>17754035
>ignores the entire thread just so he can post his xenophobic nonsense
why did you even open it?

>>17753631
What makes what you're feeling different from schizos afraid of numbers

>>17754055
I contemplate deeply and practice advanced yogic mental states such as non-volitional thinking. I yearn deeply for a truthful revelation from the divine for some years now. I follow ancient teachings from different religions. And I never lie. I do have schizophrenia myself though. But it's benign.

>>17754060
>I do have schizophrenia myself though
Oh. Okay. Good to know.

>>17754062
The doc one of them at least said once oh we don't know 'what' it is, but he's project to psychosis. But that's all bullshit, I am a yogi and beyond all this and they just don't know yoga or how a yogi acts. That's all. The schizophrenia manifests (I do at least believe somewhat that there is something odd about me, but the mental health paradigm I reject) in paranoid thoughts when I'm off the meds, but aside from that, I'm fine. As I said, benign schizophrenia thank god. Do you think I'm a bullshitter now, or do you..believe me when I say I can be trusted with these things?

>>17754045
and who spoke to this 'ontologically good and omniscient' being? a schizophrenic jew with a slit dick?

>>17754045
>xenophobic nonsense
YEAH! you TELL that xenophobic pagan. true christians stand with 20 billion brown people flooding white countries!

>>17754079
You ignoramus, the problem isn't brown people, it's how you deal with them. The Arab gulf states have perfected the brown immigration and work well with them without big problems. White people are the problem.

>>17754078
What do you get out of insulting prophet Moses? This will convince nobody of your position. Why couldn't pic rel happen in actuality?

>>17754104
>What do you get out of insulting prophet Moses?
Moses never said anything about music being evil, he even composed some songs himself.

>>17754116
Not every prophet has to say everything and legislation can change. I already demonstrated how early Christians saw music as pagan and evil. Where did they get that from? It certainly wasn't a Roman/Greek belief. You don't even need them to tell you what is obvious.

>>17754132
>Not every prophet has to say everything
He composed songs, retard.

The entire book of Psalms is meant to be sung.
> I already demonstrated how early Christians saw music as pagan and evil.
You absolutely didn't. Jewish culture has always had music in it, just as any other.

>>17753617 (OP)
There is no Quranic basis for banning music. The Islamic orthodoxy is retarded as fuck and basically invents entire rules wholesale through exegetical retconning and Hadith fabrication.

>>17754138
Again legislation changes, this is not problematic and it is assuming a lot of things that we do not believe about God's revelation anyway. Also that would just be a nasheed which is allowed under certain strict circumstances. Why do you people always fail to address what has been brought up?
>>17754138
>You absolutely didn't.
see >>17753996 and >>17754015 you speak so confidently about things you cannot even refute

>>17754146
>There is no Quranic basis for banning music.
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000

You are a kaffir.

>>17754152
>Again legislation changes
Ok? When in the Bible does it say that music is evil and should be banned?

>>17754104
>WHAT DO YOU GET OUT OF INSULTING OUR PROPHET MOISHE? YOU WILL BURN IN HELL PAGAN!!!
lmao, suck my cock, jew faggot

>>17754156
Do you not care what the Church fathers taught? I will have to look into that before giving a definitive answer

>>17754162
>Do you not care what the Church fathers taught?
No? They were but men.

So, show me the verse in the Bible condemning music.

>H-HE DOESNT RESPECT THE PROPHET MOISHE!!! HOW DO WE STOP HIM?
you cant

>>17753631
i don't and i'm muslim

>>17754169
Kaffir.

>>17754153
Please refer to what I said before:
>The Islamic orthodoxy is retarded as fuck and basically invents entire rules wholesale through exegetical retconning and Hadith fabrication.
Everything in your link confirms this.

>>17754179
You reject the hadiths.

Shut the fuck up-

ALALALALALALALLALALA!!!! I RAPE GOAT SAAR

>>17754073
You're in the same box as the number schizo. For every divine yogic practitioner that thinks music is demonic there's a witchy chakra healer who thinks music has soul healing property.

>>17754169
Sorry to say but then your heart isn't pure enough. If you have a really purified heart you might sense bad energy from pop music for example. Keep purifying.

>>17754165
Of course they were men, just like Jesus. But according to you people they had the Holy Spirit guiding them to compose the bible and develop your theology. If they didn't have the HS then your canon is invalid. So then did he tell them the wrong thing about music? Again I will have to look into that but I don't believe it is explicitly stated, the same way it doesn't speak about marriage being between one husband and only one wife as most of you believe. They must have used general rules to determine its evil if there is no such verse

>>17754186
That's how the universe works basically, yeah. Equilibrium. Always a negative to the positive

>>17754191
>Of course they were men, just like Jesus
Jesus is both man and God.
>But according to you people they had the Holy Spirit guiding them to compose the bible and develop your theology.
Which doesn't include the so called "church fathers".

>>17753617 (OP)
Not in Koran
Do not defend the commandments of man

>>17754199
See:>>17754153

>>17754195
Who gave you that idea beside the church fathers again?
>doesn't include
so you're saying your bible was composed by people without the Holy Spirit? Origen doesn't think so >>17752889

>>17754203
>Who gave you that idea beside the church fathers again?
The Bible:
>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:1
>I and the Fathe are one.
John 10:30
>so you're saying your bible was composed by people without the Holy Spirit?
The Church fathers did not compose the Bible.

Still waiting for that Bible verse against music, btw.

Actually, let's make it even easier for you. Show me the Quran verse condemning music.

>>17754204
Unitarians read the very same verses. I don't care for your interpretation because it would mean you have more than a trinity there see pic.
>The Church fathers did not compose the Bible.
They literally made chose your canon. How did it happen then beside what history states?
>Quran verse
see >>17754153

>>17754206
>Unitarians read the very same verses.
Nope, they can't read John 1:1 without sperging out, since it explicitly says that the Word is God. You don't have to interpret anything, it's right there in the verse.
>They literally made chose your canon.
No they didn't, the Holy Spirit did.
>https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000
Doesn't cite any Quran verses.

>>17754173
i know you're baiting but i thought this idea was dumb at like 12 if i'm being honest with you and it turns out it doesn't have a strong backing either just one hadith that's not 100% legit
>>17754190
i guess i do i don't really like listening to current mainstream music that much though
>>17754153
>idle talk = music
very ambiguous and open for interpretation

>>17754210
Good luck.

>>17754208
Have you ever argued against their points? I seriously doubt it.
>the Holy Spirit did
he came down to write your manuscripts? of course the church fathers had to be divinely inspired by him under your theology
>Doesn't cite
Except it does and it gives you the earliest understanding from the people that were companions.

>>17754218
Your picrel is already going through hoops trying to deny that John 1:1 is talking about Jesus.

>>17754218
>he came down to write your manuscripts?
No, He inspired the Apostolic generation, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James, Peter, Paul, etc.

>>17754220
You are the one jumping through hoops. Jesus specifically says the Father is the only true God. It was so problematic for you people that Augustine had to twist the words so it fits your developed theology.
>>17754225
You had all sorts of gospels floating around at the same time before canonization. Who picked what was legitimate and through who?

>>17754229
>Jesus specifically says the Father is the only true God.
And then He said Him and the Father are one.
> It was so problematic for you people that Augustine had to twist the words so it fits your developed theology.
Isn't Augustine one of the church fathers? Wasn't he inspired by the holy spirit too then?
>You had all sorts of gospels floating around
Nope, there has only ever been 4, all the others are man made forgeries wrongly attributed to the apostles.
>Who picked what was legitimate and through who?
The Holy Spirit.

>>17754265
>And then He said Him and the Father are one.
Doesn't this violate the trinity too?

>>17754265
>>17754269
>ME ME WHY HAVE I FORSAKEN MYSELF

this jewish cult nonsense falls apart with some minor scrutiny lmao

>>17754265
Great so you have avoided that and then brought up what I already responded to here >>17754206 What does it mean to be the ONLY true God?
>Isn't Augustine one of the church fathers?
Yes! That's the point you cannot even have your theology without them let alone the scriptures. And here you are denying them lmao
>Nope, there has only ever been 4
History disagrees with you, this is a baseless claim while I have brought up someone who attested to the existence of the others
>through who?
>The Holy Spirit.
Okay so you are again saying he came down in his bird form to compile your books into the canon.

Religion is mental illness.

>>17753617 (OP)
Modern day music is mind programming for sinful behavior. It is a lyric that you repeat over and over again with a catchy tune so that twenty years later you still remember every letter of the song and can perfectly recite it word for word at the trigger of the sound of the beat and it randomly plays in your head through the years. The music installed triggers in you. You are brainwashed by it. It's stuck in your head forever. They have hidden spirit invocations inside the lyrics and they also contain prayers to devils, enchantments and spells and when you sing them you invoke demons in your life and cast spells on yourself.

If you listened to Eminem you likely hate women.

Those who run the industry are demon worshippers who made contracts with the devils and sold their souls. And they belong to a religion of spirit mounters. They allow spirits to mount them and work through them and write songs that are glorifying Satan and the music praises the false gods and many songs are in their honor and are prayers to them.

Many hate songs and breakup songs and things like that are actually dedicated to God and you sing along a song that is a hate letter to God.

It teaches you to be rebellious and sinful.

>>17754265
>And then He said Him and the Father are one.
And then he said "the father is greater than I."

>>17753697
Though David was a masterful harp player and psalm composer who's music was known to exorcise demons.

>>17754269
>>17754277
>>17754302
The Son is not the Father, they are united in essence but not in personhood.

>>17753705
Kids are being brainwashed by this music. It is programming behaviors in them and teaching them to act certain way.

>>17753714
I'm pretty sure there's no music in Saudi Arabia.

>>17754218
>it gives you the earliest understanding from the people that were companions
We have no written accounts from any of Muhammad's companions. 99% of Hadith are third-hand accounts at best of what Muhammad supposedly said and did generations ago. I understand some crusty old cleric insisting on their provenance but nobody else has any reason to take them seriously. If Allah wanted an explicit ban on music why would He use vague euphemistic language like "idle talk" instead of being explicit?

>>17754317
check again

>>17754321
>it's impossible for people to teach others
>ignore the countless narrations that come from different chains and are found in different compilations and the collective knowledge of the muslims in these areas that has survived in various works
You are aware that even secular scholars don't say they are useless. Instead they use different methodologies like ICMA (which btw traditional scholars have also done in some form in addition to pure isnad only criticism http//drjonathanbrown.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/How-We-Know-Early-Hadith-Critics-Did-Matn-Criticism-and-Why-Its-So-Hard-to-Find.pdf) to determine what the original form of the statement was. There's nothing vague about it, the term also applies to multiple things such as https://sunnah.com/abudawud:1112 so why would it say singing only? Also scholars take christian writings seriously even if the texts do not claim they were there. You have no idea how history works

>>17753646
nta, but yes. And by that point the muzzie is going to kill you anyway for having resisted it up to then.

>>17753617 (OP)
only melodic instruments, singing, drums and cymbals are all ok

>>17754299
>mind programming for sinful behavior. It is a lyric that you repeat over and over again with a catchy tune so that twenty years later you still remember every letter of the song and can perfectly recite it word for word at the trigger of the sound of the beat and it randomly plays in your head through the years. The music installed triggers in you. You are brainwashed by it. It's stuck in your head forever. They have hidden spirit invocations inside the lyrics and they also contain prayers to devils, enchantments and spells and when you sing them you invoke demons in your life and cast spells on yourself
but enough about religion and quran

>>17753769
It's literally a rule they follow

>>17754666
ok satan, which rule is that? cite the verse

And yet the Muslim world has always had plenty of music, as only the hardcore fundies have ever been able to enforce this ban in any faith. Islamic music and love poetry had a huge influence on Europe, via the troubadours.
At the moment I’m watching Arabic music videos where the women are almost as slutty and scantily clad as in the west. Interesting mix of trad and outside influences, haram for much of the Islamic world but they’re probably Lebanese.

>>17753617 (OP)
Idk about you but Qaswida is quite nice.

Don’t Shias allow music

>>17754146
Truth nuke. Quranism has the right basis.

>HURR MUSIC ISN'T DEMONI-
no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKFn66dzdz

>>17755254
Your link doesn't work.

>>17755129
Shias reject Sunni Hadiths too

>>17754317
Nah, restaurants, hotels and parties have lots of music
>>17754146
Recently there’s a hard push to ban birthdays which is annoying since it’s gaining lots of followers