Thread 17755318

>Bismarck
>provoke wars and invade several countries including France
>known to history as a genius; a shrewd and clever politician

>Hitler
>try to form alliances or peaceful agreements with your neighbours instead of war
>be known as the greatest, evil, monstrous, villainous, warmonger of all time

The lesson here is to not be a nice guy, isn't it?

Bismarck kinda didn't go and genocide the people he conquered.

>>17755349
this
Nazi state propaganda was openly pro-violence

>>17755349
>>17755375
neither did Hitler, Hitler even silenced the People's Observer over Polish crimes against Germans and only rescinded the censorship when Germany went to war with Poland.

>>17755405
>neither did Hitler
Extremely false.
>Hitler even silenced the People's Observer over Polish crimes against Germans and only rescinded the censorship when Germany went to war with Poland.
Unclear if true, but also irrelevant.

>>17755405
The Holocaust though.

>>17755318 (OP)
>try to form alliances or peaceful agreements with your neighbours instead of war
>then provoke wars when those neighbours don't agree with you

>>17755422
that's what happens in international relations, always has, always will

>>17755318 (OP)
>>known to history as a genius; a shrewd and clever politician
Only by morons.

What did Bismarck actually do?
>Conquer a piece of disputed, mixed-ethnicity land from denmark
>Defeat austria and do nothing except take the rest of germany into his sphere of influence (they didn't protest much)
>"Provoke" france (their own fault for falling for it), defeat it and annex only a small piece of mixed ethnicity, historically german piece of land, also war reparations that they managed to pay off in 2 years
He did very little wrong, if at all. Compare that to hitler
>Conquer bunches of foreign ethnicity lands with the intention of annexation
>Enact partial or total genocide of conquered people, jews and gipsies
There's a very clear difference here.

>>17755418
>the fake event
what about it?
No one denies that people were put in camps, every country did this, Britian even had camps for jews.
but that there was systematic extermination, an obvious lie, and a lie that doesnt even pass a cursory examination, the Germans had over a hundred million so called "untermensch" and yet the death toll was not even 50 million.
>>17755416
>false
nope.
Its correct, Hitler in all likelihood probably preserved more civilians than Bismarck.

>>17755405
>Hitler like totally supressed of a thing that totally happened despite him claiming they were doing it bros trust me

>>17755450
>the Germans had over a hundred million so called "untermensch" and yet the death toll was not even 50 million
A 50% death rate is not systematic extermination? What are you smoking?
>Hitler in all likelihood probably preserved more civilians than Bismarck.
The prussian/german armies in those wars didn't attack civilians at all.

>>17755456
my dude, not even conformists deny Hitler censored the Polish atrocities which the world had known about since February 1939.

What conformists conveniently leave out of the story, of course, is that Hitler only allowed publication after Poland threatened to bombard Danzig on 5 August.

>>17755318 (OP)
Slovakia wasn't a part of Germany. And Czechia was sort of kind of not really, but kind of.
To answer your question OP, it's strictly because his enemies won a total and complete victory over him, his nation, his ideals, his people.

>>17755456
Yeah he didn't want grassroot chimpery. He kept it under control

bismarck established the german empire
shitler ended it

>>17755318 (OP)
The people who hate Hitler also hate Bismarck

>>17755885
No. I respect Bismarck but I hate Hitler because he started a war that left Europe in ruins.

>>17756244
They were both German imperialists. Perhaps the main difference is Bismarck allied with Russia, but back then Russia was under a German elite

>>17756244
But you hate Europeans and despite European nativism.

>>17755467
A 50% death rate did not occur...
>didnt attack civilians at all
Neither did Hitler's legions.

>>17756308
>let me tell you what you hate

>>17755318 (OP)
I love Hitler.
He was right.
Madagascar would have been perfect for those silly jews. Now they're going to get Samson'ed as the world revolts against them.

>>17755318 (OP)
Here's how Hitler could have ended up being acknowledged as a genius like Bismarck
>annex Austria peacefully
>annex Czechoslovakia peacefully
>annex Poland peacefully
>provoke France into a suicidal offensive war and conquer them
>integrate southern Europe into your hegemony economically
>wage a liberation war with the Soviet Union and make a puppet Russian Empire instead of waging a war of annihilation
>strongarm Britain into becoming an ally
>isolate the USA
Then, he would have created his 1000 year reich with relatively minor loss of human life and material wealth, and people would sing him praises to this day, as they did Bismarck, who was above all things a cautious and successful statesman.

>>17756415
This plan just boils down to creating the EU
At least in our timeline such a ridiculous concept never came to fruition until the 90s

>>17755318 (OP)
Actually that's yet another reminder that winning fixes everything.

>>17756447
Napoleon lost and still a lot of people have a respect for him. Shitler is rightfully shunned as an evil warmonger who destroyed Europe

>>17756741
Hitler is both more hated and more worshipped than Napoleon

>>17756774
No one worships Hitler outside of edgy teenagers, even the FAS retards weaving swastika flags in America most likely don't care about him

>>17755349
Imagine if Hitler wasn't so genocidal and the French, Walloon, Dutch, Czech, Kashubian, Massurian, Polish, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, Ingrian, Russian, Belarusian, and Ukrainian nations still existed.

>>17756415
>annex poland peacefully
???????????????

>WW2 Germany thread
>mass reply ??????????anon shows up immediately

Who was Heinz Bock?

>>17755318 (OP)
Bongs keep bring up danzig but failed talking about invaded other countries.
>>17756987

>>17757131
>French, Walloon, Dutch, Czech, Kashubian, Massurian, Polish, Lithuanian, Latvian, Estonian, Ingrian, Russian, Belarusian, and Ukrainian
Soon replaced by third worlders

>>17756866
>edgy teenagers
Wrong noob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmjrfs24JtE

>>17755318 (OP)
Hitler did nothing wrong.

>>17755349
Every man has his flaws ok? Cut him some slack.

>>17756244
>Declares war on Poland for minor strip of land
>UK and France join in completely unprovoked
>"WhY dId HiTlEr StArT wW2??"

>>17755349
Only mistake Bismarck made was didn’t deported enough more Poles for Africa colony relocated or forced them speak Pomeranian/Silesian language to counter the restoration Polish state.

>>17757817
>two countries are allied
>attack one of them
>the other joins in
>"cOmPlEtElY uNpRoVoKeD"

>>17755318 (OP)

alexander fetishized the east. so was neutral to pro jew.

khan didn't care about religion, so was jew neutral.

napoleon was pro jew.

bismarck was pro jew

>>17758228
>two countries are allied
More like useful idiot

>>17755318 (OP)
How would Nazi invasion of Soviet union look like if Poland joined axis by giving up on danzig (free city)? Would operation barbarossa have a real chance of succeeding?

>>17758228
but they werent allied lmao.

>>17758335
Yeah they were.

>>17757817
>Takes Rhineland
>Take Austria
>Take Sudeten
>Take Memel
>Take Czechia
>Take Danzig, Poznan, Lodz
Meanwhile stormfags:
>Completely unprovoked

>>17758238
Bismarck was famously anti-Jew even for his time

>>17758349
It originally greater Germany under Austria prominent domination

>>17758342
Then why didnt they defend Poland from the USSR?

>>17758349
all that territory was stolen from the great balfour war aka jews war 1 you miserable bris baby

>>17758766
Because they were at war with Germany

So Austria-Hugary, Germany and Russia were run by jews?

>>17755318 (OP)
I don't think Bismark's legacy is viewed that positively considering what a disaster a prussian led Germany turn out to be. I believe if he has any reputation it is in a contrast to a historical figure regarded as one of the most inept to ever lead a major state, Napoleon III.

only nazis explicitly opposed international jewry so they try to socially assassinate them as much as possible in every outlet

>>17758228
Poland was allied to neither the UK or France

>>17758349
Take the Rhineland from who you dumb fuck? It never left German hands. Everything else was rightful German land the entente stole from them after ww1 that Hitler got back peacefully through fucking diplomacy.

Fucking uneducated retards, learn how to read and pick up a book.

>>17758846
Wonder if succeed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afSTnck9Zio