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Anonymous No.17757052 >>17757061 >>17757211 >>17757316 >>17757727 >>17757753 >>17757961 >>17758104
Historically was "mental illness" a thing? I imagine as long as you did your job, didn't preach any blasphemy or heresy, and didn't commit any sexual sins. Nobody gave a shit if you were "mentally ill" or not. Is that a fair assessment? The Industrial Revolution gave birth to the "extrovert ideal" and the pathologization of anyone who doesn't have that neurology.
Anonymous No.17757061 >>17757066 >>17757072 >>17757230
>>17757052 (OP)
It was called demonic possetion
Anonymous No.17757066 >>17757072
>>17757061
pretty much this.
There wasn't any 21st century pansy 'mental illnessess' like
>depression
>anxiety
>adhd
>ocd

There was the occasional child with a brain birth defect, or something, they usually didn't live very long.

Other than that, it was just the major ones like schizo, hysteria, dysmorphia, dementia that most people just attributed to demon possession.
Anonymous No.17757072 >>17757077 >>17757082 >>17757089 >>17757098
>>17757061
>>17757066
No, don't be a pop history Redditacktually cunt. People knew what sadness and depression were. People knew what PTSD was. They weren't an angry mob with torches and pitchforks scream "DEVILS DEVILS!!!!" at everything.
Anonymous No.17757077 >>17757084
>>17757072
>People knew what PTSD was.
literally no they didn't.
They first started studying it during WW1 and called it "shell shock"

No one gave a fuck about your trauma except your family and friends, of who were also all farmers and peasants, not psychologists.
Anonymous No.17757082 >>17757084
>>17757072
Yeah they knew the symptoms but they believed the causes were curses and demons
Anonymous No.17757084 >>17757088 >>17757091
>>17757077
Stupid fucker. Absolutely retarded cunt.
>>17757082
No. Read actual books instead of Cracked.com Top 10 Wierd Things From History, number 7 will SHOCK you.
Anonymous No.17757088 >>17757097
>>17757084
excellent arguments. I accept your concession
Anonymous No.17757089 >>17757097
>>17757072
This man needs the medieval period to be scientifically advanced to placate his christbeaner handler
Anonymous No.17757091 >>17757097
>>17757084
>No. Read actual books instead of Cracked.com Top 10 Wierd Things From History, number 7 will SHOCK you.
You have no argument; literally any disease or condition that was ucurable at the time was the fault of magical entities or curses, you have no idea of what you are talking about
Anonymous No.17757097
>>17757088
>>17757089
>>17757091
>continues to post reddit history

Read a fucking book, I swear to fucking God.
Anonymous No.17757098 >>17757236
>>17757072
>nobody gave a fuck
>>"b-but they knew"
>nobody bothered to diagnose them til the 19th century
>>"b-but they knew"
>the only treatment they received was religious exorcisms
>>"Yeah but they knew, you guys are idiots"
Anonymous No.17757211 >>17757230
>>17757052 (OP)
insane asylums were already a thing in the middle ages
Anonymous No.17757230 >>17757252
>>17757211
>>17757061

Re-read my post. If you were 1. Able to do your job. 2. Didn't preach any blasphemy or heresy. and 3. Didn't commit any sexual sins. Did people consider you demonically possessed or insane because oh he blinked a certain way, he has weird interests, he doesn't deserve to reproduce! These sentiments seem very modern and artficial.
Anonymous No.17757236 >>17757242
>>17757098
>the only treatment they received was religious exorcisms
Except no, which you'd find out if you actually read a single fucking book in your life.
Anonymous No.17757242 >>17757249
>>17757236
>doesn't give a single example
Anonymous No.17757249 >>17757329
>>17757242
Not your personal research monkey. Either read up on it and be surprised by what you find or don't. No skin off my dick either way.
Anonymous No.17757252
>>17757230
during the Salem witch trials, even unusual speech or behavior was used as evidence of witchcraft
Anonymous No.17757316
>>17757052 (OP)
> I imagine as long as you did your job, didn't preach any blasphemy or heresy, and didn't commit any sexual sins.
You imagine wrong, villagers would be much more punishing than moderns if you displayed anomalous behaviour, especially as a child. Except maybe if you were a shut in or recluse type, but even then people would probably give you the stink eye.
Anonymous No.17757329
>>17757249
>only left with ad hominem because he knows he is wrong
Many such cases!
Anonymous No.17757727 >>17758104
>>17757052 (OP)
OP, you're underestimating just how seriously premodern societies took "madness." The terminology wasn’t clinical, but the phenomena were observed, categorized, and acted upon. Ancient Greeks had 'melancholia,' 'mania,' and 'phrenitis.' Medieval Europe had a whole theology around possession, melancholy, and divine punishment. You might not have been diagnosed with "anxiety" in 1250, but if you wandered the streets muttering to yourself and refusing food, people absolutely noticed.

>as long as you did your job
This assumes mental illness can't impair functioning. In agrarian societies, someone with severe psychosis, catatonia, or what we'd now call schizophrenia wouldn't just keep plowing the field like normal. They were often marginalized, institutionalized (monasteries, poorhouses), or straight-up exiled.

>The Industrial Revolution gave birth to the "extrovert ideal"
That's a modernist reading that relies too much on 20th-century pop-psychology. Extroversion vs. introversion might be pathologized today in weird ways, but the Industrial Revolution didn’t invent the concept. If anything, industrialization institutionalized existing concerns: madhouses existed long before factories. What did change was the scale and bureaucratization of care (lunacy acts, asylums, state responsibility, etc.).

>and the pathologization of anyone who doesn't have that neurology
There’s truth here. Modern psych does sometimes confuse deviation from norms with illness. But conflating that with all historical recognition of mental disturbance is just flattening the past. There’s a difference between being a quiet loner and someone in a manic fugue state chasing angels through the woods.

tl;dr --> Yes, people cared. No, it wasn’t all just sin or deviance. Mental illness existed. It just wasn’t medicalized in our terms.
Anonymous No.17757753
>>17757052 (OP)
No because you had work to do

if you were mentally Ill you were either the village idiot or would have been killed/died early on
Anonymous No.17757961
>>17757052 (OP)
Yes but it wasn't the best documented or known

Today's society we have the best understanding of mental illness, but we tend to overreact more than anything
Anonymous No.17758104
>>17757052 (OP)
>>17757727
>The Industrial Revolution gave birth to the "extrovert ideal"
This part makes no sense at all. Being the biggest and loudest has always signified evolutionary fitness even when everything looked like a sea cucumber