How did we go from this?

To this?

>>17760024 (OP)
>>17760025
>>17760024 (OP)
>>17760025
I don't see how they're contradictory?
>Stationing troops around the globe
Yeah, through mutually agreed treaties with other governments.
>Toppling governments it doesn't like
But that's what the Americans technically did in 1776, toppled a government they didn't like (local pro-British colonial governments)
>Enforcing economic systems that benefit it at others' expense
We give China money and we get cheap products? Or are you talking about the natural resource curse?
>Punishing other countries for acting independently
Welcome to International Relations. Man, I guess if other countries act independently against US interests we should just roll over and let it happen amirite? Not like Jefferson, a founding father, imposed an embargo on France because they were doing shit we didn't like.
>Violating sovereignty under the justification of "freedom" or "security"
The Barbary Wars were a thing.

>>17760047
>We give China money and we get cheap products? Or are you talking about the natural resource curse?
Plaza Accord.

>>17760047
You mean the very France that funded the American revolution? Sounds like Americans are snakes.

>>17760024 (OP)
Try making your own thread instead of asking an AI to do it for you. Then I may answer your question.

>>17760047
>Yeah, through mutually agreed treaties with other governments.
Not sure if you're just ignorant or if you're a fed.

Op is mainstream narrative fantasy

In truth America is the great experiment of the rothschilds (who financed the revolution) to create a rootless golem country that serves the globalist agenda

>>17760024 (OP)
>>17760025
>war against imperial control
>declaration of independence already whines about "savage indians"
>one of the main grievances was that the British government didnt let the settlers cross the Apallachians on mass, because they didn't want them to cause more wars that the colonists didn't want to pay taxes for
Nothing has changed, US always was about "gibs me dat for free or ill shoot you" from day 1, for fuck sake amerikeks literally have a holiday about them taking food aid from natives and then exterminating them and taking their land as thanks

>>17760024 (OP)
>>17760025
The US progressively -- first gradually and then all at once -- supplanted the British Empire as the dominant hegemon of the capitalist world-system. And indeed far surpassed it in sheer degree of hegemony within that system, attaining the status of what some refer to as "hyperpower."
Maintaining that power requires, among other things, a willingness to engage in acts of overwhelming force against any entity that is regarded as posing a threat to its hegemony or the composition of that world-system, regardless of how arbitrary and disproportionate the use of force is or how negligible the ostensible threat is.
Vietnam, for example, was itself never going to topple the US's preeminence or the security of the world-system, but its war of national unification in opposition to a colonial puppet regime in the south allied with the US was regarded as demonstrating a challenge to the credibility of the Truman doctrine (the ideological edifice of US hegemony at the time), and so the US was willing to use overwhelming force to at least maintain the pretense of its credibility.
The same is true today with regard to punitive economic sanctions ("maximum pressure" economic warfare against a civilian population) and regime change efforts (above sanctions, supporting terrorist groups, invasion) against Syria, North Korea, Venezuela, and Iran today.

>>17760680
Yeah, but what changed in the ideology of the USA? At what point did Americans say: let's be an empire, even though we were created from hating empire's.

From the very beginning?

>>17760025
>retarded third world country votes for communists and invites soviet invasion
>US tosses a nickel at opposition groups
>plot thwarted
this is still anti-imperialist

>>17760904
>US stands for the will of the people and sovereignty!
>NOOOO NOT LIKE THAT

literal spiritual jews

>>17760904
What about the Plaza Accord?

>>17760025
>A country can't do what benefits itself or else it's hypocritical

>>17760915
Yes?
'The slave begins by demanding freedom and ends wanting to wear the crown'.

>>17760915
If it was founded upon the ideas of sovereign automoty and against big countries dictating how little countries live, yeah, it's very hypocritical.
If the country was founded upon destroying and subjugating its enemies for fun and profit (e.g. British Empire), then it's honest.

>>17760138
>A country aids you once for its own pragmatic reasons
>So you have to be slaves to them forever

>>17760933
Not forever, but it was just barely ten years apart. The founding fathers, who directly benefited from French help, were still alive for Christ's sake!

>>17760904
Enemies that were democratically elected by the people of that country?

>>17760024 (OP)
>>17760025
>>17760680
>Just let the Russians or the Chinese take over the entire Third World and wipe out the free world, bro.

The Domino Theory was real.
The Truman Doctrine was correct.
The Eisenhower Doctrine was correct.
The Reagan Doctrine was correct.
Cope, see the and dilate bunker tranny.
You'll never destroy the West.
You'll never have your global commie dystopia.
You'll never defeat the free world.
You'll always be on the bad guy's side.

>>17760913
I thought /pol/ believed communism and democracy are jewish things. The US defends liberty, which means undermining democracy and mob rule, especially of the mob's IQ is about 70 or 80 as is often the case in Africa and Latin America. The vast majority of the population are clinically retarded.


>>17760914
An unjustified state intervention, anything that is not unfettered laissez faire capitalism is really. I am not defending everything the US did, just saying there was nothing wrong with this in particular.

>>17760940
Yes and? America has the full right to do what benefits its own nation. Thomas Paine bitched about America not saving him from a French prison during the French revolution and called Washington and honorless asshole.

France didn't act out of the goodness of its heart, its support was a pragmatic decision to weaken Britain. Hell in the opposite direction I could call Frenchmen and De Gaulle backstabbing cunts for ditching NATO after Americans bled to liberate their country from Germany using your logic. Fact is France was well within its moral right as a nation to do what benefitted themselves and owed nothing to America.

>>17760964
So Britain had the moral right to tax Americans.

>>17760945
Only the lukewarm guy from Guatemala and that nigga Allende (with a bit of fraud) were democratically elected, all the others were authoritarian Soviet agents who murdered opposition and repressed.

>>17760985
>fund the soviet empire into existence
>we must help you get rid of the soviet empire
lol. Maybe if America just stayed in its own land, the world would naturally sort itself out.

>>17760025
Protestants.

>>17760978
Americans were their own citizens, but yes, and Americans had the moral right to secede.

>>17761038
And Britain had the moral right to tax Americans. Both were morally correct. Huh. Something about this doesn't quite add up.

>>17761038
If Britain had the moral right to tax Americans, that means the founding fathers weren't on a noble crusade against injustice, but instead just a bunch of rich boys chimping out about paying taxes.

>>17760992
The only notable time the US funded Russia was during the first world war and not after the Bolsheviks took power since they wanted to cuck out to Germany.

>>17761059
>The only notable time the US funded Russia was during the first world war and not after the Bolsheviks took power since they wanted to cuck out to Germany.
...You what mate?

'Totaling $11.3 billion, or $180 billion in today’s currency, the Lend-Lease Act of the United States supplied needed goods to the Soviet Union from 1941 to 1945'.

>>17760945
Just because they are democratically elected does not mean they will preserve liberty. 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner.

Most Latin American countries have a small castizo minority and a lot of folks with black african and indio 'heritage'. So you end up with a situation with high IQ white folks becoming engineers and scientists and earning a lot of money through their own intelligence and hard work and droves of said clinically retarded brown people in the favelas and barrios who see this wealth and assume it was magically stolen from them somehow and vote for communists. It is something to bear in mind as American becomes browner.

>>17761063
Put simply, democracy cannot work.

>>17761062
That's not funding, that's giving them war materiel.

>>17761063
>IQ is essentially genetic and unchangeable
>yet people who roll high ones deserve all a society's wealth
???

>>17761067
Semantics. Fine: supported into existence.

>>17761070
Yes? Why should lessers get stuff?

>>17761065
Democracy seems to have some effect, it goes some way to preventing countries from ending up like North Korea, the problem is r*dditors and the like act as though it is sacred, not a means to an end.

The irony is that capitalism appears to be a better guarantee of liberty than democracy, even in places like China where US influence does not extend a white man can travel and do business freely, as long as he is reasonably cautious against fraud. He can't rant about Falun Gong, Tiananmen square and other chink shit without ending up in the cuck chair, but then why would he want to.

>>17761071
>NOO YOU CAN'T JUST HELP THE ENEMY OF YOUR ENEMY AFTER THEY DECLARE WAR ON YOU
The US never financed the communist party, it never wanted the Soviets in power, it was just a strategic move in an imperfect world. Perhaps the US should have given them just enough to keep their mouth above the water, but this might cause Stalin to renege on other promises made, like his withdrawal of support for the communists in Greece and not invading Turkey or any other kind of fuckery.

>>17761119
Calm down nerd.
They could have just let Germany buttfuck the Russians.

>>17761119
It didn't just give them enough to defend themselves, it gave them enough to subjugate (by land area) most of Europe and Central Asia, then also doomed Korea afterwards by giving them half of the peninsula.

>>17761119
>AFTER THEY DECLARE WAR ON YOU
'Even before the United States entered World War II in December 1941, America sent arms and equipment to the Soviet Union'.

Checkmate atheists.

>>17761020
>world government

>>17760024 (OP)
>>17760025

The first time American troops invaded the sovereign territory of another country was in less than two months after Lexington and Concord

>>17761188
>Blue Eyes
Aryan confirmed?

>>17760955
And yet, while you dilate your little clitty, your people are going extinct thanks to your 'victories'

>>17761228
Interesting.

>>17761331
What kind of bunkertranny proyection response is that?

My penis is huge.
My people aren't dying out; they're stronger than ever thanks to BTFOing the cuckmmunist scum during the Cold War.

You'll never have your global dictatorship, authoritarian scum.
The Freedom won and cuckmmunism lose

>>17760025
It was never about freedom it was just the bourgeois class getting a bad deal in feudalism and convincing poors to help them become the new ruling class

>>17760955
>Conveniently not mentioning US support for Israel

>>17760024 (OP)
This man right here OP

>It was a declaration that people have the right to self-govern*
*unless they don't own property**
**Also you don't actually get to vote on anything directly***
***especially the economy

>>17762709
He was also elected without a single southern state vote, as I was told.

>How do we go from [Steelman fallacy] to [strawman fallacy]?
wow these threads are always so intelligent!

>>17763250
Retard alert.

>US industrializes
>Cities fill with immigrants
>People that were living like pilgrims whose grandparents were settlers now live in the middle of nowhere with so what modern degenerate cities pumping out nonsense
>They have a mental breakdown as peasants do and have a religious revival
>Instead of taking their country back from moneyed interests, they're told by the government all their problems are instead caused by the south
>50 years of sectional politics later
>The north is now imperialist and supports a war of conquest against the south which did nothing to it all because politicians convinced northerners it will fix all their problems
>After the war the north continues to tariff northern farmers for 80 years (haha fucking losers)
>They're importing so many dysgenics from Europe that us gdp surpasses england in 1890
>To commemorate this imperialists decide it's time to launch US imperialism
>Drum up fake war propaganda to justify war with Spain
>Create the federal reserve to invisibly tax Americans with inflation to pay for wars halfway across the world
>Create the income tax to blow on retarded shit (usually gets embezzled)
>Oh fuck we imported too many brown people let's just invade the south again and create civil rights then we can go back to being worked police
>Democrat party collapses because they're a fake party
>Republican party resurfaces having gained the benefit of blaming all the recent problems on the Democrats
>They do everything differently except foreign relations
>This is because the Pentagon and state department were taken over by NGOs which push an American global utopia

>>17761123
After Germany declared war on the US? What kind of cuck would do that?

>>17761128
but not Greece, Turkey and west Berlin

>>17761175
free market, 2nd amendment

You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself becoming the villain.

>>17763426
>free market, 2nd amendment
But you didn't give that to Germany and Japan after you beat them.

The american colonies were banned by the british from trading with other countries, coastal cities engaged in widespread smuggling for most of their needs and QOL, we were in the middle of fucking nowhere. The american establishment is built around the immoral or otherwise illicit procurement of wealth for power. These are the same people from england that did the same, mercantilists.

The US took mercantilism and turned it on it's head with smuggling. It illegally imported human beings and illegally imported resources to build an empire with cheap labor. The main goal of people like Hamilton was simply to beat the english at their own game which is why Burr killed him. They didn't care about "the people". They cared about creating a well oiled machine bent on overtaking the british.

>>17760047
yeah all of this. america is worse now, but people need to stop acting like everything was perfect back then.

>>17760080
So we tanked the Japanese economy through fixed exchange rates?
Did the founders want 1USD to be ¥360?

>>17761331
Why don't we compare the fertility rate of Russia and America to see who is going extinct first?

>>17761059
Lend Lease provided money & material

>>17763580
They wanted free trade.

>>17761331
>dilate your clitty
this fake basedteen doesn't even understand the buzzwords it spews.

>>17763220
iirc about half of the southern states didn't even put him on the ballot, not that he would have gotten support but it's a bad faith argument. it's all retarded garbage anyways, the southern nigconomy was being threatened, they were going to try to secede unless the entire country bent over backwards to enable their nigger breeding fetish and let them spread the plantation slave nigconomy from sea to shining sea. even to this day the southerners demand more black babies for whatever reason. without roe v wade this country would be ~25% black instead of 13% yet these people who supposedly hate niggers so much spearheaded it and all immediately banned abortion the second they could so shaniqua will have 14 keedz instead of 5. all while they gaslight us into thinking they're the real based racists and northerners are cucks.

And also cry about white immigration (>>17763414) because it ruins their nigger breeding utopia. NOOOO YOU CAN'T IMPORT WHITE EUROPEAN LABOR WE NEED TO BREED MORE ALL AMERICAN NEGROES!

>>17763652
>Muh white immigration
Irish Jews Italians germans poles etc were all illegal immigrants that were scammed into coming to the US and getting extorted by the US government and their own people. Absolute trashcan people and legacy. The only thing they brought to the US was actual tribal tier politics and organized crime.

So rather than the US legacy being "a nation of immigrants" it's actually "a nation of illegal immigrants being used to undercut native labor and destroy the US with tribal politics by ruining the only half decent party in the US"

You have to have your blinders on 100% to not see they are selling the US to Hispanics in exchange for short term political and financial gains and in 100 years Mexicans will be posting on the internet that they encapsulate the spirit of America.

>>17760025
jews

>>17760964
The French did not necessarily want to be 'liberated' by the Americans thoughbeit
At least according to Patton

>>17763652
So just let them secede. That's what America did to Britain.

>>17763757
>allow a perpetually irredentist asspained power to emerge on your border that can be manipulated by outside forces to undermine your security situation
this worked very well for Russia, as you can see.

>>17760025
>>17760024 (OP)

source?

>>17760955
based
Glowies are based, seethe harder

>>17763757
The South didn't have the right to secede The constitution is a suicide pact no one is allowed out. It's how we keep together

>>17763757
The south was a northern colony, or o they thought. Most of the north's wealth was from selling their knickknacks at 1-2 300% marked up rates to the south

>>17764226
And America didn't have the 'right' to secede from Britain. Dude, come on.

>>17763881
Slippery slope fallacy.

>>17764226
It wasn't forbidden to secede, at that time, and the South voted, democratically, to leave.

>>17760140
What do you think you're posting under right now? A thread. Moron

>>17760253
>for fuck sake amerikeks literally have a holiday about them taking food aid from natives and then exterminating them and taking their land as thanks

That's just a story from the 20th century made to sell merchandise. The establishment of the holiday itself had nothing to do with Pilgrims or Indians.

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>>17765269
Banning trade to a colony which relies on smuggling for most of its goods, upwards of 80% of certain items, is an economic death sentence. And they were going to get most of the money through random fines. England needed money to pay for the war and was just going to extract it from the US. Keep in mind the US was keeping Canada kicking forever through trade. This sort of behavior is something you only see in communist China. That was the relationship the colonies were afforded by england when it needed money

>>17760080
Plaza Accords were weird, but definitely not just simple US bullying. Everyone agreed that the continually rising value of the US dollar was a bad/dangerous thing. I guess the US convinced Japan and Germany that the Plaza Accords were a better solution than tariffs, but that isn't really bullying

>>17765289
There is literally no such right in the constitution afforded to any state whatsoever. Secession is rebellion. The rebels lost. That's it.

>>17766718
Very Jewish argument. Nullification was a state right to ignore unconstitutional laws passed by the fed. The states are supposed to be more powerful than the fed

>>17763414
>The north is now imperialist
America was always imperialist. "Go west, young man" and all that.
>the south which did nothing to it all
According to your logic, the South is uber evil because they imported 5 billion niggers or whatever.
>They're importing so many dysgenics from Europe that us gdp surpasses england in 1890
So Americans should have just stayed poor because wops are icky?
>To commemorate this imperialists decide it's time to launch US imperialism
As stated earlier, America was always imperialist. Thomas Jefferson said so himself.

>>17766703
And? >>17760964 >>17760978

>>17767598
>Thomas Jefferson
'There are instruments so dangerous to the rights of the nation and which place them so totally at the mercy of their governors, that even their existence should be prohibited.'
- Thomas Jefferson

He was speaking of standing armies.

>>17766714
Weren't USA congressmen smashing Japanese made radios in public sessions?
I'm pretty sure it was about bullying Japan (for being better at capitalism than America).

>>17761065
>democracy cannot work.
It can in small, homogeneous states with little wealth inequality, but not in large nations with people that have millions of wildly different opinions on every issue and lots of poors and rich people.

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