Thread 17760211

Why do Nazis find it so hard to believe that the Holocaust was fake when the paramount leader of Nazi Germany said stuff like this in public speeches constantly? Like do they think expressing genocidal intent is just a funny ironic joke?

>>17760211 (OP)
I meant real obviously*

>>17760211 (OP)
Holocaust denial is defined as meeting at least one of three criteria:
>Not believing exactly five to six million Jews died during WW2
>Not believing pesticides were used to kill Jews by being poured through the plumbing in their shower chambers
>Not believing the Holocaust was directly organized in a top-down conspiracy by Hitler and his inner circle with the goal of killing every Jew in Europe
I actually find all three claims suspect, the first because census data makes it seem unlikely, the second just because it sounds retarded on its face, and the third because there isn't enough documented evidence for it

>>17760211 (OP)
I think there's an easy path for denial on the basis of the Holocaust narrative being that of a meticulous grand design, when in reality after Barbarossa started going wrong the Reich turned increased their attention on other ideals like exterminating their so-called racial enemies. I'd say most of the Holocause is down to a Reich that was flailing around in its rage to blow some steam over war objectives not being met, rather than something truly organized.

>>17760224
There's plenty of documented evidence for all of these, you just don't consider the people who reported them during and after the war legitimate.

>>17760224
Where is this definition published?

>>17760227
Correct, eyewitness testimony isn't the same as documented evidence

>>17760225
Wow, it's almost like this is a central part of the academic debate around the holocaust?

Most(>98%) Holocaust deniers don't speak German, and English translations of NS material are both questionable in accuracy, and poorly disseminated and suppressed on major platforms. I'm a native German speakers who collects these things, so for me it is plainly obvious what the NSDAP thought and did, but most of these Americans really do not know any better, and to them it might as well make sense that it's somehow faked. If they had better access to primary sources not filtered through either Jews or their own propagandists, it would be very different.

>>17760231
You can't really hide behind the academic rigor when the discussion is clearly around lasting popular narratives. You know very well that a more grounded and realistic depiction of what happened would demystify a lot of the "unique evils" of the Holocaust.

>>17760229
Ergo Wittmann is NOT an SS Panzer ace who blew up 200 Shermans in 10 minutes, right?

>>17760238
I don't know who that is so sure

>>17760225
A high proportion of killings (ie by Einsatzgruppen) were already planned before Barbarossa. Many of the others liking the Reinhard gassings were motivated by the combination of food and labor scarcity, that's why they had Selektion instead of just gassing every kike they could get their hands on and also why many thousands of Jews survived the war in German custody. It was not an emotional reaction to setbacks in Russia

>>17760225
>I'd say most of the Holocause is down to a Reich that was flailing around in its rage to blow some steam over war objectives not being met, rather than something truly organized.

Even if that was remotely true(it's not, it was clearly highly organized), 9 million Polish civilian deaths and 17 million Russian civilians deaths by an invading army is pretty good evidence that their goal was to actually exterminate the Slavs, not merely conquer them.

>>17760236
Yeah, and within those popular narratives there's also debate on if it was all preplanned or of the Nazis were flying by the seat of their pants and responding to the changing conditions as they won and then lost the war.

>>17760241
That's what I said, it was one of their ideals, and when the war was going wrong they blew steam by giving more immediate attention to those ideals

>>17760229
>Correct, eyewitness testimony isn't the same as documented evidence

Except of course there's plenty of evidence beyond eye witness testimony, both circumstantial and actual, that the Holocaust happened. But you don't really care about it do you?

>>17760241
Polish death toll was 6 million, half of which were Jews

>>17760245
>and when the war was going wrong

Except that's just factually false. The genocidal massacres of civilians was a thing that the Germans did the entire war, not just after it was clear they would lose.

>>17760250
And they still thought they had a very good chance of winning or at least beating Russia when the rate of gassings peaked

Look at the Anne Frank thread that's still up at the moment. The stormfaggot was finding out in real time that her father was deported along with her.

They are at best the victims of an absolutely piss poor education system that by necessity has to condense events that spanned more than a decade and involved millions of people, into a few hours, and at worst actively aware it happened, but need it to go away from population perception so their 21st century political views can be more firmly established.

>>17760246
You're free to post German documents in the thread. I'd be particularly interested in ones referring directly to how the reconfigured the plumbing of shower rooms to accommodate the pesticide

>>17760211 (OP)
No they're just criminals and like most criminals they deny their (or their predecessors') crimes, partially to gaslight and partially to avoid the consequences that would come from stating them openly.
If a robber denies his robbery successfully he avoids jail; if a Nazi denies the Holocaust successfully he will face fewer penalties for being a Nazi organizer.

>>17760258
Actually denying the Holocaust has next to no benefit and if anything only makes it harder for a nationalist to organize. People deny it anyway because they don't believe in it

>>17760256
>plumbing of the shower rooms
>pesticide
See >>17760255. Ignorance or willful well shitting, who knows?

>>17760211 (OP)
It didnt happen but it should have and they deserved it.

>>17760256
>You're free to post German documents in the thread.

You're also free to post actual evidence that the official story is false, but you instead choose to spew post-war NatSoc hearsay which has been blown to shit in debates for 80 years(including in a very famous libel trial with David Irving not long ago), but you don't have such evidence because it doesn't exist.

>>17760266
I'm not making a positive claim

>>17760262
>Actually denying the Holocaust has next to no benefit and if anything only makes it harder for a nationalist to organize.
It makes it harder for a non-Nazi nationalist to organize. If you are a Nazi your best shot at getting a normie audience is to undermine belief in the Holocaust because if you don't only sadists will listen to you.

>>17760267
So you're not claiming that "pesticide" was "poured" through the "plumbing system"? Good, because that would show you are a complete fucking moron.

Can we skip directly to the part where the stormtranny starts screaming about how everyone else are Jews and JIDF and get it over with?

>>17760264
Even when you're honest about being a genocidal psycho you can't be honest about the Holocaust, it's just pathetic.

>>17760262
>>17760270
I agree that denying the holocaust is counter-productive, at the same time you'll be implicitly associated with atrocities since Hitler's retarded aryan fantasy has butchered the idea of racial self-preservation

>>17760211 (OP)
Because out of all the ''death camps'', only Auschwitz survived. It might be convenient to jews to say ''well they obviously destroyed the evidence'' despite that it makes no sense they would leave the largest of them open but alright.
Whats even more suspicious is there were never any remains found at these sites, despite supposedly millions being killed there. So no actual documents or physical evidence about who was killed in these camps or who even passed through these camps or whatever happened to them afterwards. So pretty much anyone can claim to be a survivor

>>17760281
>Because out of all the ''death camps'', only Auschwitz survived.
Fucking rrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeettttaaaaaaaard.

>>17760282
Where are the other death camps

>>17760283
Holy shit you genuinely ARE a retard. Fucking hell.

>>17760281
>It might be convenient to jews to say ''well they obviously destroyed the evidence''

Except of course that there's actual documented evidence they engaged in a coverup, e.g Sonderaktion 1005.

>>17760279
I only care about preserving the Nordic race. Any other movement I'm not interested in

>>17760211 (OP)
People who larp as nazis aren't very smart or dispassionately objective on historical facts.

>>17760285
Theres no actual documented evidence of that happening either, it sounds fake and gay like everything about the holobunga

>>17760290
Retard.

>>17760292
Jew

>>17760282
He's right, only Auschwitz and parts of Majdanek survived

>>17760293
The retard is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a faggot, incel, /pol/tranny, stormfaggot, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a retard and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>17760294
Retard.

>>17760281
>it makes no sense they would leave the largest of them open but alright.
It makes perfect sense. Small death camps used during the Operation Reinhard were destroyed. Auschwitz was a large multi-purpose camp. It would be impossible to really destroy it, so they just demolished the crematoria in Birkenau. Reinhard camps were small secret camps, everyone knew about the Auschwitz complex.

>there were never any remains found at these sites, despite supposedly millions being killed there
There were. There are Polish post-war reports that talk about remains. And we do have documents mentioning the camps.

>>17760298
Nice self portrait but wierd of you to post it here, retard.

>>17760299
>It would be impossible to really destroy it,
So they supposedly went to every killing site throughout Eastern Europe to exhume millions of bodies and turn them to dust but they couldn't destroy this one camp?
>There were.
May i see them?

>>17760304
>So they supposedly went to every killing site throughout Eastern Europe to exhume millions of bodies and turn them to dust

Who said that retard?

>>17760211 (OP)
I don't find it hard to believe, but I think Germar Rudolf makes good points.

pic related is always the answer OP

>>17760304
>this one camp
It's three large camps and 50 subcamps. The four big crematoria were just a small part of Birkenau. Krema I from Auchwitz I was converted into an air raid shelter in 1943 or so, so this was the only gas chamber that wasn't demolished and survived to this day.

>>17760308
Holocaust historians, retard. They supposedly had every site jews were murdered in marked and went to exhume them and turn them to dust or something and thats why no remains were ever found

>>17760317
Which holocaust historians say "[the Nazis] went to every killing site throughout Eastern Europe to exhume millions of bodies and turn them to dust"? Names and books where they say this please retard.

>>17760315
>It's three large camps and 50 subcamps.
Is that supposed to be too big to demolish?

>>17760317
>please spoonfeed me
Nah, tranny

>>17760323
>>17760318

>>17760324
No names of historians, got it retard.

>>17760326
So according to you what then is the main reason as to why the remains of most of the supposed victims were not recovered?

>>17760329
Post the names of 5 historians who say "the Nazis] went to every killing site throughout Eastern Europe to exhume millions of bodies and turn them to dust" and the books they said it in retard.

>>17760330
Didn't you say there was a coverup by the Nazis and thats why remains can't be found?>>17760285

>>17760334
Nope, I didn't say that. Name 5 historians who say "the Nazis] went to every killing site throughout Eastern Europe to exhume millions of bodies and turn them to dust" or admit to being a lying cunt retard, retard.

>>17760338
You’re changing the goalpost, moshe

It happened. It was based. Kikes deserved it. They should have killed even more.

>>17760211 (OP)
It didn't happen but it should've and it will happen again because they deserve it

>>17760320
Yes. What's the point of demolishing this in the first place? Everyone knew there were camps there.

>>17760341
You're unable to post 5 historians who said "[the Nazis] went to every killing site throughout Eastern Europe to exhume millions of bodies and turn them to dust" like a lying retard.

>>17760234
Share some of these mysterious untainted sources then

>>17760211 (OP)
He said "Ausrottung" in German, which means "rooting out", rooting out the jewish race in Europe, meaning making the jews disappear from Europe, which had been happening already through forced deportation.

The funny thing with the Holocaust is that, since it is illegal to deny it, it is, de jure, not falsifiable.

>>17760211 (OP)
>Once more

Wtf?
Is he implying that Austria, Serbia, Germany and Russia were run by jews in 1914?

>>17760661
So where did they disappear to? Why is there a trail upto the Aktion Reinhard camps, then the trail stops, with people arriving there but never leaving?

>>17760724
The UK and US mainly.

>>17760669
It's not illegal to deny the holocaust anywhere that's relevant.

>>17760228
David Irving lost court cases for being a holocaust denier based on them.
Irving believes the Germans did kill the jews, but that it was closer to 3 million and not 6 millions - ergo he fell under the definiton of holocaust denial.

Irving also argues that Hitler neither pursued nor was even aware of a policy to kill the jews. The holocaust was almost exclusively an SS project under Himmler.
Again, the court branded him a holocaust denier based on this.

>>17760729
How did UK and US "plunge the nations into a world war" in 1914? Are you retarded?

>>17760734
Where is this definition published anon?

>>17760737
World War 1 had already been planned in London backrooms in the 1880s. The UK was the first one to declare war after the German parliament declared that Germany would have to be defended under all circumstances. The US entered the war later on for literally no reason and made the entire war bloodier adn worse than it needed to be.

>>17760739
No idea, I just wanted to point out that anecdote because it did happen.

>>17760745
NTA but the sheer mental gymnastics needed to be a Kraut apologist is actually impressive

>>17760745
>The UK was the first one to declare war
What the fuck are you and Hitler on about?
What fucking mental gymnastic is this?

>The US entered the war later on
Right, so they didnt cause the war, and thus irrelevant, yet you and Hitler say UK and USA "plunged the world into world war" in 1914.

>>17760746
So that definition isn't published anywhere, got it.

>>17760745
Stormfaggots are not only woefully ignorant of the holocaust, they're also piss poor at history in general...

>>17760757
Not that I am aware of.
Also I am not the same anon who made the statement.
I am merely sharing that Irving was labeled a holocaust denier by the European courts based on the fact that while he admitted jews were killed, he dropped the number by nearly half, and also that Hitler supposedly had no knowledge or desire to exterminate the jews, it was all the SS under Himmler.

>>17760750
>>17760759
You lot always talk but never actually refute the points. Funny.
>>17760753
I said mainly you retard, the US and UK were mainly under jewish influence.
>Initator states
Yet the UK was the first one to declare war.
>German attack of France
France wanted war again with Germany after 1871.
>Russia
Russia publically called for expansionism, that would include German and Austrian territory at the time, in 1914.

Love how you faggots read through a wikipedia page like it's a credible source and think you're some smartass. There is an increasing amount of people worldwide, millions upon millions, mainly youth, who believe the holocaust never happened and that Hitler was in the right. I can only iamgine you sweaty neckbeard subhumans sitting in your basements, seething and crying about it online. :)

>>17760768
The UK wasn't the first to declare war retard. What else is there to refute, you stupid cunt?

>>17760768
>There is an increasing amount of people worldwide, millions upon millions, mainly youth, in Mexico and India, who believe the holocaust never happened and that Hitler was in the right.

Fixed that for you.

>>17760768
You dont seem to get the point.
Hitler says
"If the international finance Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations ONCE MORE into a world war".
Read that again.
He is implying that ww1 was caused by the jews.

The 4 main powers who had responsibility for the outbreak of ww1 were Austria, Serbia, Russia and Germany. They were the 4 main piece-movers of every turn of event that led to war during the July crisis.
So Hitler is insinuating that all 4 of them, including Germany and Austria and Russia (who just had the world largest pogrom), were motivated and moved by jewish interests?

And your answer is that jewish interest is primarily limited to UK and USA, which insinuates that it was UK and USA who initiated ww1.

This has got to be your most retarded moment yet. I thought your autistic rant about how Poland invaded Danzig was bad but this fucking tops it. Good job.

>>17760768
>pulls retarded theory out of his ass with zero citation
>demands everyone else proves him wrong
The /pol/ brain.

>>17760785
It is is the "Anne Frank murdered a man called Heinz Bock" ???????retard. Observe the mass reply posting style.

>>17760211 (OP)
what I don't get is why anyone would want to be a Nazi if the holocaust didn't happen

You don't have to be a nazi to realize there's not a single document supporting the holocaust

>>17760857
Citation needed.

>>17760211 (OP)
That speech alone isn’t proof of the holocaust

>>17760917
Good thing its not the only thing, eh retard?

>>17760211 (OP)
>Like do they think expressing genocidal intent is just a funny ironic joke?
In 2025, it actually is, because apathy has now totally set in among toxic internet cultures, and everything has to be deliberately inflammatory and in jest now. They're probably applying the current toxic internet culture to 1930's genocidal politics even though the latter is deadly serious, instead of just a few teens posting "TND" on an imageboard. Anyone with 2 ears and eyes back in the day could clearly see that this speech was setting the stage for a genocide. I've said it before and will say it again that /pol/lites need to embrace the edge and become actual death cultuists instead of just joking around all of the time

>>17760867
There's not a single german document that advocated the shipping and then mass murder of civilians. The enigma code was first broken by the poles and french. The poles probably gave it to the brits under the pretext that the british were going to save them from invasion. The poles, brits and french were in an alliance that caused WWII if you didn't know. The brits then used codebreakers to break eastern front communications 4 years before the end of the war, including communications from concentration camps. There's not a single conclusive german communication intercepted during the war that had anything to do with mass murder of civilians in camps

By the way this image is posted all of the time on /pol/ and goes completely unchallenged, of course, but I'll need a /his/ guy to destroy it if he can

>>17760951
The germs found katyn when they invaded russia and published propaganda about it, which caused the soviets to actually blame the germans for it in their own media.

>>17760917
Says the retard who constantly cite Hitlers speeches as the ultimate source to German ambitions.

>>17760946
Even David Irving says there were messages intercepted of mass killings of jews in the east

>>17760946
>The poles, brits and french were in an alliance that caused WWII
Retard.

>>17760951
Because it's gishgallop.

>>17760968
Erm...

>>17760966
Yes david irving, the guy that said the holocaust happened, just that hitler didn't order it or have any knowledge of it, says that there was mass murder in the east.

The mass murder he's talking about is called bandenbekämpfung which is extreme. Yet contextually it was the US government during the civil war that codified anti paritsan warfare into law, declaring all civilians enemy combatants if they so desired to meet their stated war goals. This mostly targeted suspected suppliers of the enemy forces with extrajudicial killings.

I posit that the eastern front was different and was more akin to vietnam, korea, or even afghanistan or iraq with the amount of asymmetrical warfare and terrorism. A characteristic of communist terrorism is the deliberate targeting of civilians

>>17760974
Erm what? It's a wall of text. How is it not gishgallop?

>>17760234
>7 hours later
What a terrible bluff.
Nobody ever comes forward with high quality evidence for the Holocaust because it simply doesn't exist. It's all bullshit which is mistranslated with intentional bias or completely ambiguous and open to interpretation.

Politics should move forward as if it didn't happen. This propaganda is cringe. Nobody would be held back by it even if it did happen.

>>17761085
>stormtranny demands evidence
>present evidence
>stormtranny starts screeching that it's fake and doesn't count and was made up by Jews
>repeat every thread

>>17761089
Where is the evidence the "native German speaker" was talking about? Did I miss the post? Just link me to the post. I'm in a hurry but will make the time to read whatever evidence is presented later.

No, the voices in your head which screech about muh heckin' evil Nazis when you inject estrogen during a psychotic breakdown are not evidence.

>>17761089
>>present evidence
Where was this evidence you presented?

>>17761101
>>17761108
>screeching begins
Retards. Wipe your filthy axe wound.

>>17761115
>believes a fictional work is reality
>calls others retards
Do you also believe santa is real?

>>17761127
Stinky stormtranny.

>>17761130
If you keep fucking around that holocaust fiction might be turned into reality. But this time there wont be any need for ovens because you will be instantly vaporized by a nuclear strike

>>17761133
>implying the only nuclear threat to Israel didn't get utterly buttfucked a few hours ago
Am yisrael chai.

>>17761136
Iran's nuclear facilities are deep underground and cannot be reached by bombs. They assassinated a bunch of people while they were sleeping

>>17761144
Of course they can't. Wave your little cuckbanner some more Achmed.

>>17761152
Zios think they stopped them but actually ruined any hope there was that Iran won't acquire a nuclear weapon. Now keep fucking around some more so everyone can see it as morally justified when you get nuked

>>17761163
>When your enemy simultaneously beheads your military command and smashes your production facilities... you win!

>>17761166
War has just begun so its too early for you to declare victory

>>17761178
Of course anon, of course, your cuckbanner of ultra mega revenge will lead you to victory.

>>17761115
You are mentally ill. Jews can't distinguish reality from fiction because most of them are on the schizophrenia spectrum. According to Jew logic, the Holocaust happened because Elie Wiesel wrote some tall tales. Yes, yes, little Jew, Moses also parted the Red Sea, and God commanded you to chop foreskins off. Now run along and go play in the synagogue while your superiors wall off Israel into a nature reserve so you and the other archaic hominids can fight each other all day long without involving the rest of us.

Genome-wide association study of schizophrenia in Ashkenazi Jews
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26198764/

>>17761183
This only strengthened their resolve. Iran's response will be the nuclear annihilation of the Zionist entity.

>>17761192
>According to Jew logic, the Holocaust happened because Elie Wiesel wrote some tall tales
Lolwut

>>17761085
>high quality evidence
What's that? We have photos, orders, blueprints, diaries, testimonies, post-war reports, physical evidence like mass graves, and naturally millions of Jews missing.

>>17761227
There's not a single picture of a functional gas chamber

>>17761227
He will respond to this by screeching that it's all faked by Jews.

>>17761231
How does that invalidate the mountain of other pieces of evidence?

>>17761238
How does evidence of the main vehicle for murder not existing invalidate the narrative?

>>17761244
It does exist though.

>>17761246
No there's not a single photo of a functional gas chamber

>>17761248
See >>17761238

>>17761251
How does evidence of the main vehicle for murder not existing invalidate the narrative?

>>17761289
It does exist.

>>17761297
Show me a picture of a gas chamber in operation

>>17761342
Why does there need to be a photo for you to believe it exists?

>>17761347
>Sees dead body
>What did this
>Uh it looks like a gun
>How could you possibly know that? Guns don't poke holes
>Here's a bunch of photos of guns poking holes
>Whoa

>What's that
>It's a Holocaust body
>Lol what
>Yeah it's a random dead body, probably was gassed
>Gassed?
>Yeah gassed
>I've never heard of that
>Oh trust me I know it happened, but it was super secret
>Surely there's one gas chamber that actually worked in existence that we found
>No
>What about pictures?
>No
>Schematics?
>No
>Then how do we know the people were gassed
>Trust me

>>17761357
There are surviving remains, and schematics and photos, just not of them in operation THOUGH.

>>17761372
There's no pictures of operational gas chambers, there's no schematics of operational gas chambers and there's no remains of operational gas chambers used for mass murder

>>17760211 (OP)
>let's just make up new meanings and insert them

>>17761377
>there's no remains of them in use after they stopped being used
Profound.

>>17761450
You can just admit your family has been living off of German reparations money since the end of the war

>>17761395
You're confused. He didn't use ausrotten here. You confused this speech with Himmler's Posen speech.

Here Hitler used "vernichtung".

>"Vernichtung" translates to destruction, annihilation, or extermination in English, depending on the context. It can refer to the act of destroying something, wiping something out, or exterminating something, like a population or pest.

>>17761460
This is fake. Please stop posting this. The two photos do not superimpose. Mass graves are under the monuments which you can clearly see in the LIDAR photo.

Your agenda is obvious people, you don't care about the truth.

>>17761474
>>17761460

>>17761460
Aaaaand the screeching about Jews beings. Mask off, thread will go down hill from here until bump limit.

>>17761470
>You confused this speech with Himmler's Posen speech

I never said it was from Hitler's speech, but thanks for accepting that this re-definition was done intentionally.

>>17761474
>Please stop posting this
Aw, is it afraid? Sorry, going to have to stick with the science chudcel. If you want some faked evidence I'll start posting what the holocausters spam.

>>17761484
That's not even a study. Are you feeling okay?

>>17761485
There are no such things as jews. Those died out a long time ago.

>>17761488
>we totally have footage of them lying about this being actual, real footage from the holocaust, but no, we won't show it to you!

>>17761494
Cool, then the people claiming to be Jews today are not responsible for the death of Christ.

>>17761494
>clips off the part where the holocaust scholar is named
Hmm.....

>>17761501
Christ has a disputed historical reality. But, there's more evidence for Jesus, a single man, than there is for two entire powers named Israel and Judah, which certainly did not exist before the Maccabean revolt.

>>17761488
I'm not afraid of anything. Your gif is a lie and I already proved it. See:
>>17761484

>that's not even a study
It's an image from Treblinka museum website.

>>17761504
>holocausting
>scholarship

oh lol

>>17761508
The LIDAR readings already undo your pity-brochure. Eventually they're all going to have to pay that reparations money back. With interest.

>>17761507
If Jesus never existed then the Jews doubley didn't kill him then. Happy days!

>>17761508
Oh thank goodness it was a on a museum website. Museums would never be allowed to lie or show fake things.

>>17761511
So your newspaper clipping is lying and the guy WASN'T a holocaust scholar?

>>17761520
I'll trust the newspaper before I trust people literally getting paid to spread gas-libel, bird and bear libel, rollercoasters of death libel, etc etc etc

>>17761521
And the newspaper says the unnamed guy was a holocaust scholar so what's your problem? Forgot to dilate this morning and the axe wound getting itchy?

>>17761450
There's so little evidence of the holocaust the buildings they claim were gas chambers have known schematics and were labelled morgues.

Nazis will do everything but actually marry a white woman to save the white race.

>>17761516
We know that the memorials were constructed in death camp on the mass graves. It's not some secret knowledge.
Now you just post random stuff.

>>17761511
See:
>>17761484
I have nothing to add. Your gif is a manipulation. Everyone can see it.

>>17761523
You're grip on your sanity has slipped. Seek help.

>>17761524
You said there were no schematics. Were you lying then or are you lying now?

>>17761524
So I'm sure you can answer why they needed gas tight doors and heating devices for these morgues?

>>17761537
You're clearly an idiot. He said there were no schematics of gas chambers. That's not the same as having schematics of crematoriums.

>>17761534
>if you read the image that has been posted that talks about a holocaust scholar, you're insane

Oh no, infection is setting in, call a doctor quick!

>>17761537
Correct there's no schematics in existence that support the holocaust, in fact the schematics for the buildings they claim are gas chambers actually don't say gas chamber (or anything related to gas) at all anywhere on them

>>17761540
The only person to mention crematoriums is you anon...

>>17761538
there were no gas tight doors for morgues since they don't deal with gas

My feeling is that these threads are done under obligation. No one seriously thinks the holocausters were ever serious.

>>17761547
I'm not that other anon, clearly.

>>17761544
So there ARE schematics and you did lie before. Good to know.

>>17761551
I'm litterally replying to you, after you mentioned crematoriums for the first time in this thread...

>>17761552
He didn't say there weren't schematics, he said there were no schematics supporting your thesis. Since you failed to provide counter-schematics, you lost the debate. Failing reading comprehension isn't going to get you out of the hole.

>>17761549
But we have orders for gas tight doors for krematoria. Also for gas detectors, ventilation devices, pre-heating devices.

So why they wanted to pre-heat a morgue and what were gas tight doors used for?

>>17761552
Yes there are schematic of the buildings they claim are gas chambers and they aren't gas chambers

>>17761558
>there weren't schematics
>>17761357
>Schematics?
>No

>>17761562
Why did they order gas tight doors for the room that's not a gas chamber? Were they stupid?

>>17761544
There's one document that actually says this.

>Letter of 29th January 1943. from SS Captain Bischoff, head of the Bauleitung (Auschwitz Waffen SS and Police Central Construction Management), registered by SS Second Lieutenant Pollok (Buildings Section) and addressed to SS Major-General Kammler in Berlin, concerning the progress of work at Krematorium II, in which the word “Vergasungskeller” is used. The inspection report enclosed with the letter makes it possible. through a process of elimination, to establish that Bischoff uses Vergasungskeller to designate “Leichenkeller 1” of Krematorium II .

>>17761561
Why would they order gas tight doors for a crematorium, listen to yourself.

>>17761564
Where are your schematics? Go ahead and prove the holocaust please. Can we just prove the holocaust once??

>>17761573
They did order gas tight doors THOUGH.

>>17761574
Why wasn't the copyright in Otto's name to begin with if you're going to pretend he was the actual author?

>>17761577
No? You order gas tight door for fumigation chambers for lice, not morgues.

>>17761571
Go on. But if you tell me they used insecticide imported from the United States, I'm going to be very, very doubtful of your narrative.

>>17761581
Yet they ordered the gas tight door for the morgue. What gas were they concerned about getting into or out of the morgue?

>>17761586
I'm sure you can prove they put a gas tight door on a morgue. Because even the fake gas chamber they created doesn't have a gas tight door

>>17761395
What speech are you talking about? OP's image never uses Ausrotten

>>17761586
>Yet they ordered the gas tight door for the morgue

Did they? I don't see that anywhere. In fact, I'm not sure the delousing chamber was even put inside the morgue.

>>17761594
The holocauster already agreed that this was done for a speech by Himmler. He also implied that yes, the definition was intentionally redefined to suit narrative purposes which led to reparations doles being handed out by teh tens of millions.

>>17761605
What does this speech with Himmler have to do with Hitler calling for the Destruction, Elimination or Extermination of Jews?
Like are you implying it negates or refutes Hitler's call for genocide? What are you getting at?

>>17761589
Here you go.

>>17761615
Hitler's talking about Russia and Communism usually when he's talking about destroying jews, since jews did create communism and it was disproportionately popular with them.

>>17761615
You can't see why it would be relevant that a group that makes fat stacks of cash off of the alleged tragedy might be making up the entire thing since bits and pieces everywhere else seem to be made up? Seems like the connections are obvious.

>>17760255
>Look at the Anne Frank thread that's still up at the moment.

It's a Rutka Laskier thread you dingus

>>17761621
I've already read it and I don't see anything about specific gas or airtight doors, or that it's even inside the morgue. None of what you're claiming is in that missive.

>>17761623
>why is an ideology that preaches equality and universal suffrage popular with an historically oppressed and persecuted people?!?!?

>>17761627
Yeah but where is the relevance
>Hitler calls for Destruction, Elimination or Extermination of Jews
>Yeah but in this other piece that nobody mentioned here someone misrepresented what Himmler was saying in this other speech so the Holocaust is a lie
Without ever answering the question posed by OP
>Why do Nazis find it so hard to believe that the Holocaust was fake when the paramount leader of Nazi Germany said stuff like this in public speeches constantly? Like do they think expressing genocidal intent is just a funny ironic joke?

>>17761621
>we ordered a gas tight door
okay? what was it for holocaust truther? you realize every camp had clothing fumigation right?

>>17761632
So you're just a liar then, got it. Make sure to dilate!

>>17761633
>ideology that preaches equality and universal suffrage
liberalism? socialists don't believe in rights

>>17761636
>Yeah but where is the relevance
That was just described to you. To put it plainly, in OPs pic we can clearly see that Hitler is saying that if self-identifying jews attempt to bring Bolshevism they will end up decimating themselves. Not only is he saying that they will be responsible for their own destruction- we see this play out in the late 30s in the USSR, where the purges ousted them and they led a mass exodus out of the country, many going to America.

So to use that example and mis-define what he's actually saying is part of the ploy in the same way that reinventing words wholesale is.

>you're just a liar then

Projecting again? Brutal self own.

>>17761643
>socialists don't believe in rights

>>17761658
Correct, you can't pretend to fight for rights when socialists and communist philosophers don't believe in them. Everything is for the collective

>>17761652
Playing with dolls huh?

>>17761663
>socialists and communist philosophers don't believe in them

>>17761652
Bizarre story, but the Nazis actually killed prisoners with sharp objects. Recently they found some new mass graves in Treblinka I (the labor camp, not the death camp).

>Thanks to the trauma analysis results, we may infer that the victims were brutally beaten around the time of death. Many of them opposed the attack (as suggested by parry fractures and metacarpals’ fractures), which can indicate they knew what was going to happen to them. Some of the victims were likely killed by forcibly having their heads placed on a wooden block or a stone and hitting them with a tool such as a mallet. Others were hit on the top of their heads with a bat or a plank or a similar object. Some were shot in the back of their head and others were cut through the brain stem or beheaded. Interestingly, all of the noticed perimortem trauma lesions were later verified by survivors’ testimonies and were proven consistent.

>>17761670
Yes, the main difference between liberalism and socialism is the belief in natural rights. Liberals are 200 IQ anthropologists, Socialists are just left wing liberals from France that liked the idea of fucking up the monarchy and had wild assumptions about societal reorganization and didn't care whose toes they stepped on to theoretically create it. This lead to a lot of intellectual cultism "trust the science", "evolve society" type stuff. Which eventually was picked up by Marx who used it to try and destabilize Germany like his father.

>>17761689
>the main difference between liberalism and socialism is the belief in natural rights.

>>17761685
>The weapons used for killing, according to the Treblinka survivors, include, for example, bats, planks, bayonets, axes, hammers, mallets, sabers, guns, and many others (Kopówka, 2002; Różycki et al. 2017; Wiernik, 1944).
Which is now confirmed.

>>17761694
Yes. Because liberalism is also intrinsically revolutionary. Socialism and communism are just failed branches of liberalism kind of like how protestants have a mental breakdown every once in a while and create more cults.

>>17761700
>Yes.

>>17761713
Yes. Commies don't like when you point out that the only reason communism was successful was because it subverted latent embryonic liberal movements in cultural backwaters using terrorism

>>17761717
And all socialism is is "trust the science" state imperialism.

>>17760238
You realize questioning the numerical validity of the Holocaust and being a committed national socialist who fervently defends all their propaganda from 80+ years ago are two entirely different things right? You have been deceived into believing that they are the same thing.

>>17762040
Wittmann NOT a panzer ace who blew up 300 Shermans in 30 seconds confirmed.

>>17762052
ok?

>>17762052
>Jew thinks he's debating actual neo Nazis

>>17762052
>>17760238
I don’t believe aces are real. Any aces, from any country. They are propaganda characters. So yeah I agree with you.

>>17760272
Anon that is literally YOUR belief.

>>17760284
>>17760282
Why are you screeching and getting enraged like a child inatead of just politely posting the other supposedly still existing death camps?

>>17760757
You’re jewish no doubt. Look at the way you talk

>>17760759
Predditor trannies are not only woefully enamored with the holohoax, they’re also clining with wikipedia history lessons in general…

>>17760211 (OP)
The Holocaust was fake? I don't get it.

>>17760211 (OP)
The ultimate problem with the holohoax is that even if it did happen it would be completely justified given what the Jews did to Germany. There are far worse atrocities committed against far nicer groups of people throughout human history.
>flaying
>breaking wheels
>boiled in oil
>boiled in gold
>forcibly eaten by piranha
>forcibly eaten by maggots
For some reason, Jews expect special treatment on dubious claims of mistreatment as if the Japanese didn’t treat their prisoners worse than the Jews were treated by the Germans. The holodomer itself is a far worse atrocity that actually happened. Every superpower in WW2 that committed atrocities was doing far worse to non-Jews than was ever done to Jews. In order to take the holohoax seriously, you have to believe that gentiles don’t constitute as human beings; so in other words you have to be Jewish.

>>17760211 (OP)
they deserved everything they got stringpullers kikes like the 73 jews behind roosevelt were warned

>>17760211 (OP)
jews have lavish banquets to celebrate their mass murders but when the chosen are harmed the filthy goyim must build massive memorials

Are we finally abandoning the dead end of Holocaust denial and embracing the obvious truth of Holocaust affirmation? If so based. It was good; they deserved it; there should be another one

the holocaust is pumped up for 2 reasons 1. operation keelhaul and 2. to cover the fact both churchill and roosevelt were owned by jews like a pair of hanukkah ornaments

>>17764037
The holocaust was propaganda created by the polish government in exile which stayed in paris and then london. the english and the french started WWII allying with the polish. England told the poles to stop making up bullshit and to shut the fuck up.

>>17762373
You triggered snowflake? Harden the fuck up retard cunt.

>>17763998
What did the Jews do to Germany?

>>17764353
Jews weren't ethnic germans so german nationalists viewed them as a weakness in the german chainmail. Jews were used as a scapegoat for any and all subversive activities, a surprising amount of which was actually jews.

According to communists themselves, there was a secret revolutionary group run by a jewish machinist that received direct funds from the soviets in order to horde and then distribute them during the 1918 revolution and that officials from SDS met with them before they met with the mutinying navy

>>17764416
sorry not SDS, SPD

>>17760211 (OP)
Because all the studies and an encyclopedia show it to be a farce from every angle.

No technical study backs the holocaust.

I'm a Nazi. I don't think the Holocaust was fake. But I do think it should happen again

>>17762417
>insinuates that jews caused ww1
Because they did. What else is there to say?

>>17764425
No actual Nazi believes in the holocaust.

Every Jew does..

>>17764416
Subversive activities such as?

>>17764437
The Revolutionary Stewards were the organizers of the communists in Germany and received direct funding from the soviets. They demanded immediate peace with the soviets and an end to the war. They organized the general trike and the mutiny that convinced people that there was a revolution (there wasn't, it was a coup)

they were jewish communists

>>17764439
>subversive activities like not wanting thousand of young men to be shot every day while thousands of women and children starve at home

Wow, how terrible.

>>17764441
Subversive activities like staging a revolution during wartime to shunt pro-communist socialists into control of the german government hurdling the country into economic servitude and hyperinflation. Anybody would feel betrayed, especially when russia was literally paid by the US to stay in WWI. Huh that's funny, the US used Russia as cannon fodder for WWII as well

>>17764447
Why do you want more dead Germans anon?

>>17764461
I believe in things like honor, duty, humanity. The German coup defeated the German far worse than a standard defeat. It made them try again

>>17764465
And then what do we give the germans, huh? The fucking holocaust. Spit on your honor, germans, says the west. As if we didn't learn the first time

>>17760298
Nice selfie

>>17762390
Ok chudtroon

>>17761163
>>17761144
I hate kikes but iranians are pathetic impotent cucks and they helped them before like hypocrites

>>17760211 (OP)
Holocuast denial is tactical. They want to larp as nazis without the stigma.

>>17764597
What I find funny about this angle is that they'll use mental gymnastics to try and paint the Nazis as though they were not antisemitic, or racist, or even homophobic in some cases in order to avoid this stigma, which is effectively well, deNazifying the Nazis themselves and completely misses the point of their own ideology. I mean if you know these things are bad, why try and make the Nazis out to be something they aren't? Why just not be antisemitic/racist and call a spade a spade?

>>17764037
It's pumped up for two different reasons 1) because Jewish narcissism is beyond imagination and 2) to establish Jews as an inviolable ruling class in Western nations. But it did happen, was good, didn't go far enough etc

>>17760211 (OP)
Because they aren’t sincere in their denial. Their goal is to rehabilitate Nazi Germany and since they know a genocidal state doesn’t appeal to normies, they deny its worst parts. You can see this in the phrase
>”It didn’t happen, but they deserved it”

>>17760238
It’s easier to believe Wittman killed zero tanks than to believe gas chambers were used as a form of mass execution.

>>17760211 (OP)
>the jews will lose if they go to war with Germany
>OY VEY ITS A GENOCIDE

Why are they like this?

>>17766116
That’s not at all the goal or intent. That is what you think it is because such is the byproduct of questioning the holocaust.
So you mistake it for intent.

People correctly recognize the holocaust is a bullshit narrative peddled by egomaniacal hysterics who to this very day make up absurdities like 40 beheaded babies.

>>17766260
Actually, the only thing worse than Holocaust denial in the minds of Jewish people (especially Zionists) is claiming that the Holocaust did happen but that it wasn't as bad as other mass-killings like the Holodomor or the Great Leap Forward.
One of the things that Zionist Jews hold as their unquestionable article of faith is that the killing of 6 million Jews was an act of unrivalled barbarity and evil. By asserting that the Holocaust did happen, and with the exact death toll that they claim it had, but also claiming that it was already surpassed in terms of death toll and that it was in no way a unique event, then one subverts the game by doing away with subjective claims about the unique suffering of the Jewish people associated with the Holocaust. It makes people realize that Jewish people are neither the great victims of world history nor are other people worth less than Jews.
What Jewish people have insisted upon ever since the conception of the Zionist cause is that Jewish people deserve to wipe away the native Palestinian Muslims and Christians because Jewish lives are more important than Palestinian ones, but there is no better way of disarming the Zionist Jew than by admitting in his face that one Jewish life is worth no more than one gentile's life.
To deny the Holocaust is to implicitly allow for the claim that Jewish lives have a greater weight to them than those of any other victims of any other great mass murder, but to accept it and negate its uniqueness is to affirm that Jewish lives do not matter a single bit more than those of any other human group in history.

>>17766253
How is locking people in a room and gassing them an unbelievable form of execution?

>>17764434
>No actual Nazi believes in the holocaust
It's similar to communists denying communist atrocities, yes

>>17767424
>One of the things that Zionist Jews hold as their unquestionable article of faith is that the killing of 6 million Jews was an act of unrivalled barbarity and evil. By asserting that the Holocaust did happen, and with the exact death toll that they claim it had, but also claiming that it was already surpassed in terms of death toll and that it was in no way a unique event, then one subverts the game by doing away with subjective claims about the unique suffering of the Jewish people associated with the Holocaust. It makes people realize that Jewish people are neither the great victims of world history nor are other people worth less than Jews.
True but has nothing to do with Zionism as such. This is simply what Judaism is

>>17760211 (OP)
It's done out of spite, and to deny Jews their tragedy. That's it.

Satanists managed to convince part of the world to hate and desire to genocide real jews, while also killing a huge chunk of the global population and cementing turmoil and trauma for decades and through generations to come, while simultaneously reinforcing the practices of pagan religions that are arguably adversarial at least in the corruptions imposed to their philosophies and determinations of such, as a direct result. The actual enemy just uses all of you against each other all day every day, simply put. The problem is the actual enemy assumes whatever identities they need and diversify themselves enough to evade detection and direct accountability at all cost.

>>17760211 (OP)
that high?
rly?

>>17760224
America used to execute criminals with poison gas, people still kill themselves that way, and as a means to execute large numbers of people the utility is obvious

>>17764447
the economic servitude and hyperinflation was the result of the communists failing to attain power in the chaotic postwar period
and lengthening the war would not have changed the outcome, it would've just meant a worse famine and more dead

>>17767877
>America used to execute criminals with poison gas, people still kill themselves that way, and as a means to execute large numbers of people the utility is obvious
but where is the evidence this actually happened?
>>17767439
There is no reason to believe it happened.

Also we KNOW jews are liars, they were proven to be lying about the 40 beheaded babies from Oct7.
they breached our trust. we just can not trust the jews anymore.

>>17768511
Just like there's no reason to believe the war happened at all.

>>17760968
>Because it's gishgallop.
This is not a live debate, this is a multi-day long thread, ample time to read the arguments and make possible counter-arguments to all the ones presented on the list

>>17760258
I'm a white nationalist and I don't give a shit about the holocaust. I wouldn't care if it happened, didn't happen, was 6 million or was 4 million, I wouldn't care if it was 10 million. It detracts nothing from the goal of restoring white homelands. I don't see why other white nationalists give a shit either. I suppose revisionism is important in places where there's actual reparations and laws on the books about it, but it's true for places like America.

The lesson of the holocaust is the complete opposite to what people say it is. The holocaust happened because two different races sharing the same area came into conflict, one had a homeland and the other didn't, and the latter faced extermination. The jews learned the lesson after the holocaust, fought for a homeland, and armed it to the teeth with nuclear and chemical weapons.

Turkish and Japanese nationalists blow off their ethnic cleansing and brutality, we should likewise do the same.

>>17769068
Turkish and Japanese people may not care about their ethnic cleansing but they don't have homelands either. Their countries are still controlled by international Jewry through Washington and they are still being replaced. We have no choice but to care about the Holocaust and affirm it as good and necessary for the survival of all gentile ethnic groups

>>17769025
Off you go then, you do that.